I invite everyone to join us in solving this dilemma.
Session of 30 spins:
26-4-32-0-4-7-17-15-25-3-11-7-33-0-12-18-2-9-25-31-15-17-36-9-11-30-10-8-0-6
Uniques =12
26-32-33-12-18-2-31-36-30-10-8-6
Repeats=8
4-0-7-17-15-25-11-9
Numbers that didn't hit =17
1-3-5-13-14-16-19-20-21-22-23-24-27-28-29-34-35
Total: 12 uniques + 8 repeats + 17 didn't hit = 37 numbers
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"You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both."
***The question is: How can we combine both (Uniques and Repeats)? And when to start betting?
"The REPEAT happens 99% of the time on the first half!"
"We just don't know when it will happen. We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us."
"6 runners and having at least 1 runner with a minimum of 3 wins in 13 spins".
"Play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing! 9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win"
"We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us."
"Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream.
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can't play just for that. I need a combination of it.
So this is where the magic happens! I'm not trying to predict who wins because that would be stupid! I just want to win more then I lose."
"Bet on straights. Some straights get more units then others. Ex: Betting 10 numbers:
2 might have +3
3 might have +2
5 might have +1"
"a. lets create a new sequence of numbers, based on numbers spun
b. in order to to this, we interpret a number spun as the position within a certain sequence of numbers. This position has a number attached to it
c. after a number is spun, we manipulate the sequence as follows:we remove the number that we pointed at
d. AND we glue it to the beginning
e. we keep on doing this
Example
lets start we sequence 1,2,3,...,34,35,36
a. lets assume we get number 35.
b. 35 is the 35th position in our sequence. The value is 35 (1,2,3,...,34,35,36)
c. now we create a new sequence: remove 35 from the old sequence (1,2,3,...,34,35,36)
d. and glue it to the beginning: 35,1,2,3,...,34,36, etc."
"We can use this "dynamic sequence" to create a totally new set of straights, splits etc... I will illustrate this with halves:
In our example we got number 35. We interpreted it as the position in the number sequence. To create highs/lows however, we look at the position of that number within the previous sequence. In this case it is position 35. As this falls in the second half, we assign it "high".
Now lets assume that the next number is 35 again! The old sequence was 35,1,2,3,...,34,36. So now we assign it the "low" (first position).
If we do this for all possible number groups we get a "number systems" that is random and similar to what we are used to. I you would only use this number set, you would not see any difference with roulette numbers spun."
â€Every set of random numbers can be used to create another set of random numbers BUT the sets themselves are related!
How? For example: when we have a repeat in the first set on the straights, in the second set, this will occur in 99.7% of the cases on "low"."
I might be wrong but I have been looking at this the last few days. I am wondering if he is referring to betting on double Streets. So in the first 12 spins the 1 line (123 456) and the 2 line (789 10 11 12) repeated. He bets the lines straight up when they repeat.
6 runners =the 6 double street lines. In thirteen spins you are assuming one double street will hit three times. Make any sense?
Thanks for curating these Moneyt quotes and listing them in one place.
Makes for interesting reading, though I still doubt it will lead us to any (purportedly) existing HG.
Someone has to come forward with roulette related example with this. I never got this interesting . No harm to give it a try.
You're right! I'm trying to apply some combinations in RX, but I have not figured out how to make it work yet.
Is it a staright number strategy or with outside bet?
Quote from: Madi on Nov 12, 05:40 PM 2017
Is it a staright number strategy or with outside bet?
Only straight numbers.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 12, 02:42 PM 2017
Total: 12 uniques + 8 repeats + 17 didn't hit = 37 numbers
"We just don't know when it will happen."
For any of the concepts to have the chance of working, the basic premise is we can’t play a virtual game. We will have to play every spin which is part of what people call a personal permanence. ----- PriyankaWe can create all sorts of tictactoe sequence but can we know when repeats come from this new sequence ? No
With 8 repeats that occur anywhere within 37spins we have to play progression that'll get us into a deep hole.
I think this strategy look for singles beside repeats.
From what you have written, the way i read it is slightly different. We do know 99.xxxx% of the time when the repeat will happen, but we dont know which exact spin it happens. And I dont think anyone can predict that mathematically. ------ Priyanka
Now that we are on the same page that there's no way to predict repeaters, this means bets placed for repeaters give no edge.
What we have left is hits.
According to Andre there're 20 hits within 37spins.
Again we can't predict when those hits happen.
Can we predict which pocket will hit and which will not within 37 spins with the new sequence ?
If we can't predict which pocket will hit, then bets placed on hit will give no edge.
Does anyone one disagree with this conclusion ? Explain pls.
Quote from: Irish88 on Nov 12, 03:04 PM 2017
I might be wrong but I have been looking at this the last few days. I am wondering if he is referring to betting on double Streets. So in the first 12 spins the 1 line (123 456) and the 2 line (789 10 11 12) repeated. He bets the lines straight up when they repeat.
6 runners =the 6 double street lines. In thirteen spins you are assuming one double street will hit three times. Make any sense?
There are no virtual bets, no waiting game.
Btw good thinking, but you need a sequence in any order of 123456 followed by 123456, you still have 123456 numbers for the 3rd repeat on the 13th spin.
Quote from: Irish88 on Nov 12, 03:04 PM 2017
I might be wrong but I have been looking at this the last few days. I am wondering if he is referring to betting on double Streets. So in the first 12 spins the 1 line (123 456) and the 2 line (789 10 11 12) repeated. He bets the lines straight up when they repeat.
6 runners =the 6 double street lines. In thirteen spins you are assuming one double street will hit three times. Make any sense?
How about a qualifier of four unique natural lines first,
then when you have a repeat line bet that line for up to six spins.
Example: 32,1,25,7 (qualifier)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 13, 01:37 AM 2017
How about a qualifier of four unique natural lines first, then
when you have a repeat line bet that line for up to six spins.
Example: 32,1,25,7 (qualifier)
Or 6unique lines in any order 123456 followed by 4 unique lines in any order 1234, when you have a 2nd repeat line bet that line for up to six spins ?
Quote from: cht on Nov 13, 01:49 AM 2017
Or 6unique lines in any order 123456 followed by 4 unique lines in any order 1234, when you have a 2nd repeat line bet that line for up to six spins ?
Six unique lines in any order may
occur once, maybe twice a day (looong wait)
Hello,
Sorry this is not my original language, I use Google translation, I give you software to help you find statistics on different forums.
its in + :)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 12, 02:42 PM 2017
I invite everyone to join us in solving this dilemma.
Session of 30 spins:
26-4-32-0-4-7-17-15-25-3-11-7-33-0-12-18-2-9-25-31-15-17-36-9-11-30-10-8-0-6
Uniques =12
26-32-33-12-18-2-31-36-30-10-8-6
Repeats=8
4-0-7-17-15-25-11-9
Numbers that didn't hit =17
1-3-5-13-14-16-19-20-21-22-23-24-27-28-29-34-35
Total: 12 uniques + 8 repeats + 17 didn't hit = 37 numbers
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"You can't win just playing repeats! Turbo thinks you can
You can't win just playing uniques! Learn from KTF
You have to play in a way that has both." Correct it's called the Riddle Of The Trot. Gut and KTF will show you the way to see ROTT
***The question is: How can we combine both (Uniques and Repeats)? And when to start betting?
"The REPEAT happens 99% of the time on the first half!"
"We just don't know when it will happen. We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us."
"6 runners and having at least 1 runner with a minimum of 3 wins in 13 spins".
"Play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing! 9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win"
"We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us."
"Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream.
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can't play just for that. I need a combination of it.
So this is where the magic happens! I'm not trying to predict who wins because that would be stupid! I just want to win more then I lose."
"Bet on straights. Some straights get more units then others. Ex: Betting 10 numbers:
2 might have +3
3 might have +2
5 might have +1"
"a. lets create a new sequence of numbers, based on numbers spun
b. in order to to this, we interpret a number spun as the position within a certain sequence of numbers. This position has a number attached to it
c. after a number is spun, we manipulate the sequence as follows:we remove the number that we pointed at
d. AND we glue it to the beginning
e. we keep on doing this
Example
lets start we sequence 1,2,3,...,34,35,36
a. lets assume we get number 35.
b. 35 is the 35th position in our sequence. The value is 35 (1,2,3,...,34,35,36)
c. now we create a new sequence: remove 35 from the old sequence (1,2,3,...,34,35,36)
d. and glue it to the beginning: 35,1,2,3,...,34,36, etc."
"We can use this "dynamic sequence" to create a totally new set of straights, splits etc... I will illustrate this with halves:
In our example we got number 35. We interpreted it as the position in the number sequence. To create highs/lows however, we look at the position of that number within the previous sequence. In this case it is position 35. As this falls in the second half, we assign it "high".
Now lets assume that the next number is 35 again! The old sequence was 35,1,2,3,...,34,36. So now we assign it the "low" (first position).
If we do this for all possible number groups we get a "number systems" that is random and similar to what we are used to. I you would only use this number set, you would not see any difference with roulette numbers spun."
â€Every set of random numbers can be used to create another set of random numbers BUT the sets themselves are related!
How? For example: when we have a repeat in the first set on the straights, in the second set, this will occur in 99.7% of the cases on "low"."
Turbo way, are these 18 #'s hot, supplied today by a member
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KTF betting the non-hit
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Turbo is spin 19, #10 a hot #
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Turbos on the way to the bank
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The check point shows the usual avg, spins 11-40 16 non-hit came and the 60 spins gave 30 non-hit. If you follow the trot use winkels reference points, collect each non-hit #'s max to hit and find its avg to hit, thats the ROTT part. GOOD LUCK.
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Thank You Priyanka :thumbsup:
Hopefully theres a file.
Now this is airball supplied by Mort. 1st is Aug then sept and Oct.
J247 airball is 15.8 for spins 11-40 and 30.5 nonhit for 60 spins.
Whats Morts building 15. ?? and 29. ??
If both show 15 point something for spins 11-40 Learn the TROT.
Here's how I play notto's spins. Even with R1 variance -5, manage to hit 2 win target with 4 losses, flat betting 6 hot numbers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 04:46 AM 2017
Turbo way, are these 18 #'s hot, supplied today by a member
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In the above spins line 2 and 6 are repeating. Isn't that a way you can catch repeats and unhit numbers at the same time? Line 2 has hit five times and line 6 has hit 5 times. Bet numbers 789,10 11 12 and 31 32 33, 34 35 36 straight up. I know Pri said no virtual wins. I would think you at least have to wait till a line repeats then start.
Quote from: cht on Nov 12, 11:36 PM 2017
From what you have written, the way i read it is slightly different. We do know 99.xxxx% of the time when the repeat will happen, but we dont know which exact spin it happens. And I dont think anyone can predict that mathematically. ------ Priyanka
Now that we are on the same page that there's no way to predict repeaters, this means bets placed for repeaters give no edge.
Countinuos betting
No predicting!!
SUMMARY RULES - MoneyT
1. We don't know when it(repeaters) will happen.
2. We don't predict which hit numbers will repeat.
3. We do continuous betting.
4. We start bet from the first spin.
André, eu preciso da sua ajuda. Qualquer ideia ?
Entao!..vamos resolver isso pra arrebentar Estoril
Quote from: cht on Nov 13, 09:40 AM 2017
SUMMARY RULES - MoneyT
1. We don't know when it(repeaters) will happen.
2. We don't predict which hit numbers will repeat.
3. We do continuous betting.
4. We start bet from the first spin.
André, eu preciso da sua ajuda. Qualquer ideia ?
Estou ainda fazendo alguns testes de combinações no RX.
Eu não entendo por que o Moneyt vem aqui no fórum e continua a dar pistas confusas ao invés de mostrares um exemplo concreto.
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 13, 01:29 PM 2017
Entao!..vamos resolver isso pra arrebentar Estoril
Se tu tens alguma idéia de como o sistema funciona, faça tua postagem aqui. Ficaremos muito agradecidos.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 13, 09:20 AM 2017
Countinuos betting
No predicting!!
Thanks for your help, but if all you have to offer are more confusing clues, sorry but we do not need it any more. We need a clear example of how all this theory is used in roulette.
And I will not fight you in this thread. This thread is to find a solution to make the system work
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 13, 01:55 PM 2017
Thanks for your help, but if all you have to offer are more confusing clues, sorry but we do not need it any more. We need a clear example of how all this theory is used in roulette.
And I will not fight you in this thread. This thread is to find a solution to make the system work
Sorry was just correcting you since you were wrong about the predicting part. I'll stay quiet. No more out of me O0
What I understood is that we have to bet both Uniques and Repeats. We have to bet all spins, no wait. There's no way to predicting the numbers. It's a continuous betting without progression.
It's a continuous bet in all spins until any number hit.
We have to bet in a way that the losses don't affect the wins. We need to win more than lose.
The question is how to combine the Uniques and Repeats, how many numbers to bet and when start to bet.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can't play just for that. I need a combination of it.
I'm not trying to predict who wins because that would be stupid! I just want to win more then I lose.
Sorry guys ,
Only to make me clear this conversation , could you please tell me wich system/strategy are you talking about?
it's something related with KTF/WTF HG ? "continuos betting" are not contemplate on them :-)
cheers
Session of 30 spins:
26-4-32-0-4-7-17-15-25-3-11-7-33-0-12-18-2-9-25-31-15-17-36-9-11-30-10-8-0-6
Uniques =12
26-32-33-12-18-2-31-36-30-10-8-6
Repeats=8
4-0-7-17-15-25-11-9
Numbers that didn't hit =17
1-3-5-13-14-16-19-20-21-22-23-24-27-28-29-34-35
Total: 12 uniques + 8 repeats + 17 didn't hit = 37 numbers
What to bet? When do we start betting?
How many number to bet in which spin?
How many units in which numbers?
I'm doing some RX simulations with Uniques and numbers that doesn't hit.
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 13, 03:18 PM 2017
Sorry guys ,
Only to make me clear this conversation , could you please tell me wich system/strategy are you talking about?
it's something related with KTF/WTF HG ? "continuos betting" are not contemplate on them :-)
cheers
It's a straight numbers flatbet strategy
Fo me is a normal trot tend to became fast trot.(13+3) I would play only for repeaters at 25th spin , winning with # 11 .
Because for the averages sheets we have 18/19 unhit on average and I bet for this 18 unhit stay, in fact #11 repeat sweetly... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 13, 03:20 PM 2017
Session of 30 spins:
26-4-32-0-4-7-17-15-25-3-11-7-33-0-12-18-2-9-25-31-15-17-36-9-11-30-10-8-0-6
Uniques =12
26-32-33-12-18-2-31-36-30-10-8-6
What to bet? When do we start betting?
How many number to bet in which spin?
How many units in which numbers?
What to bet? Bet only on uniques.
When do we start betting? From the first number show up.
How many units in which numbers?
1$ on every unique, remove number on repeat. Do this in 37 spins and start over again :)
Please post in English so everyone can follow the conversation. You'll get more help too.
Imagine for a second that spins were 100% random. This means that after the next spin, the chance of any other number spinning is 1 in 37.
Now track repeaters. Track hot numbers. Track cold numbers.
WHY would you do this? Is there a point?
It seems stupid to do it with "random" spins, so why do it with real or RNG spins?
Are real spins really random? No but your bet selection accuracy is as good as random if it doesnt work.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 13, 03:20 PM 2017
Session of 30 spins:
26-4-32-0-4-7-17-15-25-3-11-7-33-0-12-18-2-9-25-31-15-17-36-9-11-30-10-8-0-6
Uniques =12
26-32-33-12-18-2-31-36-30-10-8-6
Repeats=8
4-0-7-17-15-25-11-9
Numbers that didn't hit =17
1-3-5-13-14-16-19-20-21-22-23-24-27-28-29-34-35
Total: 12 uniques + 8 repeats + 17 didn't hit = 37 numbers
What to bet? Non-hit numbers When do we start betting? after spin10
How many number to bet in which spin? start at spin 11, 1 unit on all non-hit #'s and as your saying its flat bet,you'll just bet the non-hit with 1 unit over 27 spins
How many units in which numbers? 1 unit as you say its flat bet.
I'm doing some RX simulations with Uniques and numbers that doesn't hit.
Andre Chass, the question is when do you stop, 1st profit or do you carry on where the more the non-hit come the bigger chance the repeats will make flatbet lose
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 04:26 PM 2017
Andre Chass, the question is when do you stop, 1st profit or do you carry on where the more the non-hit come the bigger chance the repeats will make flatbet lose
Ok I understand but read Moneyt 101 quotes.
"You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both.
"We just don't know when it will happen. We just need to have enough winning games to where the losing games don't affect us."
"Play a game with 37 numbers! (Not same as roulette numbers)...Roulette gives me a result and I convert to my game and pick based on what I'm playing! 9 results give me a loss and 28 results give me a win"
"Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream.
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can't play just for that. I need a combination of it.
So this is where the magic happens! I'm not trying to predict who wins because that would be stupid! I just want to win more then I lose."
"Bet on straights. Some straights get more units then others. Ex: Betting 10 numbers:
2 might have +3
3 might have +2
5 might have +1"
"Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream."
What it means? Dynamic stream... Parallel stream
Here are the 30 spins. Now if you looked at file posted earlier in your name, you'd see morts checkpoints has an avg for spins 11-40 of 15 point something, so in spins 11-40, 15 more non-hit is a good yardstick. I've added the 15 which is countback, so at spin39/40 could see 24 non-hit have come. As you see at spin 20,7 non-hit have come, be plus 2 on the expected 5, the red 16 is showing where you could have seen the 16th non-hit, so fast for non-hit.
Now we expect 5 more non-hit in spins 21-30 as each group of 10 spins should get 5 non-hit, but what the usual is, is 7,+2 12,+2 and 24,+0 the distribution of the 15 non-hit. So spins 21-30 got 5 non-hit making the 12,+2 and the yelow 21 is where the 21st non-hit could have come.
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Now all these non-hit would be a win with a progression, why ? upto the 19th non-hit they avg to hit in 2 spins.
Next if flat bet these spins, when would you stop and reset
I will test it n RX
I dont know 100% . But it could be like this.
123456.........34 35 36. Then when numbers appears.
27 4 8 32 27........
So you will bet only when a repeat appear. Say 27 repeat so u start betting on 27 and 5 cause its attached to 5 th position . Bet up to latest 3 repeater with combining its position. This is totally my guess. Dont start to punch on me.
Ok flatbet spin 11 bet 28 remaining, win profit 8 units so stop? if 8 units not enough you're now in a battle to get back to plus, but at spin 18 you'd be +10 units so now stop and reset
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Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 13, 04:38 PM 2017What it means? Dynamic stream... Parallel stream
Voodoo
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 04:50 PM 2017
Ok flatbet spin 11 bet 28 remaining, win profit 8 units so stop? if 8 units not enough you're now in a battle to get back to plus, but at spin 18 you'd be +10 units so now stop and reset
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I'm trying to understand the numbers on your sheet. Its driving me crazy. Can you explain the positions of the numbers, pease?
Did somebody understand the nottophammer file?
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 04:50 PM 2017
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I'm trying like hell to understand it...
.. ::)Andre Chass what you do not understand about the file? All? or something?
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 13, 06:00 PM 2017
.. ::)Andre Chass what you do not understand about the file? All? or something?
All
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 13, 05:27 PM 2017
Did somebody understand the nottophammer file?
Are we talking of reply 13/11/17 at 10:12 am Andre xlsx
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 07:13 PM 2017
Are we talking of reply 13/11/17 at 10:12 am Andre xlsx
Sorry, I'm trying to figure it out!
André, I studied 1 months before to figure it out..:-)
Thanks to Master Mr. Nottophammer and some kind persons here in the forum now it's make more sense all this strategy.
search for KTF - Keep the Faith..and WTF, there are a huge amount of threads and pages to learn this. it's not so simple to explain in few words.
Go here where Mr.Nottophammer on 3th thread explain:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13756.615
Regards
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 13, 08:34 PM 2017
André, I studied 1 months before to figure it out..:-)
Thanks to Master Mr. Nottophammer and some kind persons here in the forum now it's make more sense all this strategy.
search for KTF - Keep the Faith..and WTF, there are a huge amount of threads and pages to learn this. it's not so simple to explain in few words.
Go here where Mr.Nottophammer on 3th thread explain:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13756.615
Regards
Thank you!
Please check your message box
From the begining
Here we see what Priyanka called checkpoints
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Now in Andre file posted 13/11/17 @ 10:12 am you'll see the above, the 1st checkpoint box, date 1st of August.
So what is the checkpoints telling you? It's showing a game of 60 spins, broke down in to 5 reference points for the starting 37 non-hit numbers, spins 1-10, spins 11-20, spins 21-30, spins 31-40 and finally the non-hit count for the 60 spins.
So how do i/we come to the conclusion, that on avg spins 11-40 gives 15.45783 non-hit numbers. Below is the actual 1st checkpoint box.
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To the above i've added columns spin 40 and spin 60.
So spins 1-10 had 10 non-hit, NO REPEATS.
Spins 11-20 shows 8,+3 ~ so what does 8,+3 mean (If you accept 15.45783 non-hit is the avg for spins 11-40, you would give 5 non-hit to the groups 11-20, 5 non-hit to the groups 21-30, 5 non-hit to the groups 31-40. The 15 expected non-hit evenly distributed as 5,5,5. But the distribution is usally 7,+2 12,+2 and 15+,3 ( 7,5,3)
So the above checkpoint shows spins 11-20, 8,+3 it had 3 more non-hit than the expected 5 non-hit, so spins 11-20 is fast for non-hit, Think about it, it shows betting for a repeat is no good in this particular part of the game so far.
I posted the above because incase i get timed out.
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On to spins 21-30, you see spin 30 ends 12,+2 what it tells is the last 20 spins has given 12 of the remaining non-hits, remember we should expect 5,5,5 =15 but here we've had 8,4 =12, so we could see in spins 31-40, 3 more of the remaining non-hits, as spins 1-10 had 10 non-hit you add 15 making at spin 39/40 we could or should see 25 non-hit have come.
As you can see spin 40 ends and should read ( this bit priy dont work properly) 24,-1 meaning only 14 of the expected 15 came.
The avg for 60 spins is 29.27711 and only 27 have hit.
So to find this average we ask excel to average the 40 spins column, column H at 677 and there you see its average of 15.45783. next to it is the average for 60 spins, further is avg for september and then october
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conviently all showing 15 point something and 60 spins 29 point something.
So as a yardstick after 10 spins you could see 15 of the remaining non-hit in spins 11-40.
Does this help to see the file ?
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Here are the spins, dont look good the turbo way betting the hot number. KTF +55 at spin 15
Hey Notto just to let you know my real ;) take on the turbo would have been longer than i like but by spin 55 i would be well up and by spin 76 O0 and the biggest draw down nowhere near what you have, You need to look at cutting down on the repeats played on.
Also won lots playing KTF with MM :thumbsup:
Also still studying the trot and this latest info very clear so thanks
Notto's question here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19732.msg186129;topicseen#msg186129
How to define hot numbers for bets hit to R1 ?
1. Hot numbers have to be identified before they become hot.
2. Define by dominant sectors - example 24hits, 13red 11black. Red is dominant sector.
3. Define by clusters - since red is the dominant sector, example consecutive spins 3, 25, 36.......
4. By selecting cluster numbers that occur in dominant zones, we can cut down the number of numbers to bet for repeats usually 6-8 numbers.
5. If there is no clear clusters in dominant zones, then this spin sequence is chaotic, not favourable to bet repeats look for another set of spins.
6. The most reliable approach is to filter the spins input by applying AP. This means you select the spin results with VB from wheels and dealers preselected applying wheel bias and dealer signature. 40 filtered spins from 150 actual spins.
7. If you bet inside this upper percentile of the binomial distribution zone, you flat bet only for 7spins, no need for long deep progressions into the hole.
8. If you bet for R1 to R2 and so on..... they tend to become more and more dispersed instead of clustered.
The other solution is to restate you spins in the parallel stream that somehow circumvent the natural random distribution that allows the bettor to bet from spin1. Idk ?
I would first like to thank you for all the explanations you have given us. You really are a roulette master.
I understood all your explanations, however I still have some doubts in some points of this system.
MoneyT says: "You can not win just playing repeats!
You can not win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both. ", But you say that we have to bet only on the uniques.
MoneyT says we have to start betting right on the first spin, but you say we have to start betting on spin 11.
Moneyt quotes: "Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream.
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can not play just for that. I need a combination of it."
What does dynamic stream and parallel stream mean?
Is there a way to play on both uniques and repeats? KTF and WTF?
We know when to start playing (spin 11) but when should we stop? Should we stop at the first win and reset the game or should we continue to bet? I understand that if we continue to bet we can have big losses.
What is the difference between your system and the MoneyT system?
MoneyT say he has an invencible system. Is it for real?
Could you also explain to me what the fields on your sheet mean?
I'm sorry for so many questions.
Thank you in advance!
Hi Andre,
I explain you by private message how to read that numbers Notto give in file.
You have to read his thread on KTF and you will have all more clear.
Your numbers are very few , only 30, you have to pick more sessions to understand this. and Study a lot, in some months you will understand to read the trot ( trot is how the numbers are spun (37 or 40 numbers ).
The parallel stream and dynamic stream I really don't know what is it. I don't like to bet on 36 unique numbers to win 2 $...
KTF and WTF are strategies and not systems.I use them togheter in a session. Better if used with G.U.T strategy by Winkel ..the Holy Grail IMHO
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Nov 14, 04:27 AM 2017
Hey Notto just to let you know my real ;) take on the turbo would have been longer than i like but by spin 55 i would be well up and by spin 76 O0 and the biggest draw down nowhere near what you have, You need to look at cutting down on the repeats played on.
Also won lots playing KTF with MM :thumbsup:
Also still studying the trot and this latest info very clear so thanks
Hello ArmitageShanks ! what does it mean
KTF with MM ?!?
Thanks
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 14, 02:56 PM 2017
Hi Andre,
I explain you by private message how to read that numbers Notto give in file.
You have to read his thread on KTF and you will have all more clear.
Your numbers are very few , only 30, you have to pick more sessions to understand this. and Study a lot, in some months you will understand to read the trot ( trot is how the numbers are spun (37 or 40 numbers ).
The parallel stream and dynamic stream I really don't know what is it. I don't like to bet on 36 unique numbers to win 2 $...
KTF and WTF are strategies and not systems.I use them togheter in a session. Better if used with G.U.T strategy by Winkel ..the Holy Grail IMHO
Hi Gitano
Could you explain how can I bet WTF and KTF together with GUT strategy?
André I don't know how to explain this theory, I'm still learning that. but I studied a lot without play for months.
Sometimes I ask to people in the forum that kindly answer to my dubts. But you can start read all the threads available on this forum. I explain you the KTF. it's similar to WTF.
G.U.T is more difficult to understand.I am not able to explain it, really. but there are the threads available.
WTF --->link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16732.0
GUT --->link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13756.0
How about just playing the last four? No waiting time like Money T said and you play both on hot and and colder numbers?
Quote from: boyd30 on Nov 14, 03:49 PM 2017
How about just playing the last four? No waiting time like Money T said and you play both on hot and and colder numbers?
That's I'm trying to understand. How to play both Uniques and Repeats...
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 14, 03:44 PM 2017
André I don't know how to explain this theory, I'm still learning that. but I studied a lot without play for months.
Sometimes I ask to people in the forum that kindly answer to my dubts. But you can start read all the threads available on this forum. I explain you the KTF. it's similar to WTF.
G.U.T is more difficult to understand.I am not able to explain it, really. but there are the threads available.
WTF --->link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16732.0
GUT --->link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13756.0
Thanks for the threads links!
What I'm trying to understand is how to play both Uniques and Repeats like Moneyt strategy.
If I play only Uniques (KTF) I know that I have to start at spin 11. But for how many spins do I stay betting after start playing?
Should I reset the game at first profit?
If I carry on where the more the non-hit come the bigger chance the repeats will make flatbet lose
I just noticed this topic and have read only the first post, NOT all posts.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 12, 02:42 PM 2017
Session of 30 spins:
26-4-32-0-4-7-17-15-25-3-11-7-33-0-12-18-2-9-25-31-15-17-36-9-11-30-10-8-0-6
Uniques =12
26-32-33-12-18-2-31-36-30-10-8-6
Repeats=8
4-0-7-17-15-25-11-9
Numbers that didn't hit =17
1-3-5-13-14-16-19-20-21-22-23-24-27-28-29-34-35
Total: 12 uniques + 8 repeats + 17 didn't hit = 37 numbers
---------------------------------------------------------
"You can't win just playing repeats!
You can't win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both."
Just focusing on the repeats in this sequence of 37 spins, ONLY Number 0 has won 3 times.
If I remember my statistics correctly, about 95% of all 37 spin sequences will have at least 1 number hit at least 3 times.
More likely a set of 37 spins will have 2 or 3 numbers each win 3 times.
IMO, to profit from this you would need to track repeats and adequate bankroll.
Again...
If I play only Uniques (KTF) I know that I have to start at spin 11. But for how many spins do I stay betting after start playing?
Should I reset the game at first profit?
Because if I carry on where the more the non-hit come the bigger chance the repeats will make flatbet lose.
And If do I reset when first profit and start again?
Some help to solve my question.
I'm doing a lot of testing on RX for hours and have not yet understood some points of the strategy. This is already driving me crazy.
I need some nottophammer help!
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 04:50 PM 2017
Ok flatbet spin 11 bet 28 remaining, win profit 8 units so stop? if 8 units not enough you're now in a battle to get back to plus, but at spin 18 you'd be +10 units so now stop and reset
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I played like that and I had 2 losses spins 11 and 12. What do I do in this case?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 14, 02:01 PM 2017
I would first like to thank you for all the explanations you have given us. You really are a roulette master.
I understood all your explanations, however I still have some doubts in some points of this system.
MoneyT says: "You can not win just playing repeats!
You can not win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both. ", But you say that we have to bet only on the uniques.
MoneyT says we have to start betting right on the first spin, but you say we have to start betting on spin 11.
Moneyt quotes: "Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream.
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can not play just for that. I need a combination of it."
What does dynamic stream and parallel stream mean?
Is there a way to play on both uniques and repeats? KTF and WTF?
We know when to start playing (spin 11) but when should we stop? Should we stop at the first win and reset the game or should we continue to bet? I understand that if we continue to bet we can have big losses.
What is the difference between your system and the MoneyT system?
MoneyT say he has an invencible system. Is it for real?
Could you also explain to me what the fields on your sheet mean?
I'm sorry for so many questions.
Thank you in advance!
Try understand this bet.
8 = 0
5 = 1
3 = 2
2 = 3
18 = 17
Quote from: cht on Nov 14, 07:59 PM 2017
Try understand this bet.
8 = 0
5 = 1
3 = 2
2 = 3
18 = 17
I don't know what it means. Can you explain m2, please?
I'm in front my notebook for about 9 hours trying to understand the strategy. :P
What I discovered is that KTF uses progression. It's not flatbet. :(
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 14, 02:01 PM 2017
I would first like to thank you for all the explanations you have given us. You really are a roulette master.
I understood all your explanations, however I still have some doubts in some points of this system.
MoneyT says: "You can not win just playing repeats!
You can not win just playing uniques!
You have to play in a way that has both. ", But you say that we have to bet only on the uniques.
MoneyT says we have to start betting right on the first spin, but you say we have to start betting on spin 11.
Moneyt quotes: "Let's say first spin is 21.
I enter the number into my sheet and that converts to dynamic stream. Which in turn creates a parallel stream.
Now based on my two streams I know exactly where my repeats are.
So what happens more then repeats?
But I can not play just for that. I need a combination of it."
What does dynamic stream and parallel stream mean?
Is there a way to play on both uniques and repeats? KTF and WTF?
We know when to start playing (spin 11) but when should we stop? Should we stop at the first win and reset the game or should we continue to bet? I understand that if we continue to bet we can have big losses.
What is the difference between your system and the MoneyT system?
MoneyT say he has an invencible system. Is it for real?
Could you also explain to me what the fields on your sheet mean?
I'm sorry for so many questions.
Thank you in advance!
Read chance thread how to translate into parallel dynamic stream here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19055.0
Translate notto's spin example above into dynamic stream -
36
35
34
33
32
31
30
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v
and so on
7
6
5
4
3
2
1
---------------------------------------------------------------
1st spin 26
36
35
34
33
32
31
30
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v
and so on
28
27
x
25
24
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|
|
v
and so on
5
4
3
2
1
26
---------------------------------------------------------------
2nd spin 4
36
35
34
33
32
31
30
|
|
|
v
and so on
28
27
x
25
24
|
|
|
v
and so on
5
x
3
2
1
26 (position in the new sequence)
5 (position in the new sequence)
---------------------------------------------------------------
3rd spin 32
36
35
34
33
x
31
30
|
|
|
v
and so on
28
27
x
25
24
|
|
|
v
and so on
5
x
3
2
1
26 (position in the new sequence)
5 (position in the new sequence)
33(position in the new sequence)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 14, 08:18 PM 2017
I don't know what it means. Can you explain m2, please?
I'm in front my notebook for about 9 hours trying to understand the strategy. :P
What I discovered is that KTF uses progression. It's not flatbet. :(
8 pockets bet 0 units = 0units
5 pockets bet 1 units = 5units
3 pockets bet 2 units = 6units
2 pockets bet 3 units = 6units
Total = 17units
18 pockets bet 17 units = 17 units
Quote from: cht on Nov 14, 08:25 PM 2017
8 pockets bet 0 units = 0units
5 pockets bet 1 units = 5units
3 pockets bet 2 units = 6units
2 pockets bet 3 units = 6units
Total = 17units
18 pockets bet 17 units = 17 units
Ok I understand it. But when to star betting? Which numbers I place the bet?
I think I'm an idiot !!
Can you give a clear example of how to use this in roulette? I'm really tired without sleep.
I ll apreciate it!
Ok I understand it. But when to star betting? Which numbers I place the bet?
I think I'm an idiot !!
Can you give a clear example of how to use this in roulette? I'm really tired without sleep.
I ll apreciate it!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 14, 08:32 PM 2017
Quote from: cht on Nov 14, 08:25 PM 2017
8 pockets bet 0 units = 0units
5 pockets bet 1 units = 5units
3 pockets bet 2 units = 6units
2 pockets bet 3 units = 6units
Total = 17units
18 pockets bet 17 units = 17 units
Ok I understand it. But when to star betting?
Start from 1st spin continuous betting.
Which numbers I place the bet?
I think I'm an idiot !!
Can you give a clear example of how to use this in roulette? I'm really tired without sleep.
I ll apreciate it!
That I can't help you I don't know. I am equally an idiot ! Hahaha ! ;D
Only smarties like priyanka and MoneyT can help us but they won't so.........
Maybe at a price who know ? .......... :twisted:
CHT
hahaha if you dont know why did you pos that?
I know you re tryng help me but it does not make sense
MoneyT101 is here in this thread watching my despair and probably having fun with it, hahaha :twisted:
Quote from: cht on Nov 14, 08:36 PM 2017
That I can't help you I don't know. I am equally an idiot ! Hahaha ! ;D
Only smarties like priyanka and MoneyT can help us but they won't so.........
Maybe at a price who know ? .......... :twisted:
I don't think so because he doesn1t like me.
I'm a badboy.......hahahah
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 14, 08:44 PM 2017
MoneyT101 is here in this thread watching my despair and probably having fun with it, hahaha :twisted:
He's having lots of fun laughing at all this idiots ! Oooops me included ! :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: cht on Nov 14, 08:50 PM 2017
He's having lots of fun laughing at all this idiots ! Oooops me included ! :xd: :xd: :xd:
hahaha Nottophammer is our only hope but he disappeared :-[
I play notto's spins here.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19684.msg186122
7pockets chosen for clusters in dominant sectors. Risk 49units session br for 7spins betted. Won 1st and 2nd spin stop, target achieved for +58units. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 14, 02:56 PM 2017
KTF and WTF are strategies and not systems.I use them togheter in a session.
I have studied these strategies all night and day, but I can't figure out how do you use them together in a session.
Can you give us some example, please?
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 13, 04:50 PM 2017
Ok flatbet spin 11 bet 28 remaining, win profit 8 units so stop? if 8 units not enough you're now in a battle to get back to plus, but at spin 18 you'd be +10 units so now stop and reset
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Nottophammer,
What do I have to do if I lose on the first or second bet, for example? Do I have to use progression? 2 units each number, If I lose again I return to 1 unit each number and if I lose again 3 units each number?
MoneyT says his strategy is flat bet....
Ok, I need to have a win value in mind, if profit is there after spins 11,12,13 I could take that profit and reset, or if repeats come and profit lost, but the non-hit come again and profit now gets close to spin 13, I could take that, with the +1/-1 progression.
Excuse me to share my opinion.
I prefer to bet 9straight numbers 1chip each numbers. It mean that 1win can recoup 3loss. play it flatbed and what can make you win is the ratio between winning and losing..
Try this, and you should thank me for sharing this with you
Place a dollar each on both red and black and start with two dollars on green zero. Double the amount of bet on green zero after every 10 trials and you would encounter zero within first 60-70 trials you would end roulette every time with a profit. I always do 70 trials on zero and double the bet after every 10 trials.
Just a pointer. If your english is good anyhow, you will probably have your post and point missed if you type in a language other than english.
Just comes from a report to mod which wasnt nasty, just put rather like I just did.
I am guessing is it based on high or low ... Then pick 10 numbers out of 18 .... Based on repeat / unique ... N 3u X 2, 2u X 3 n 5u X 2.
To the post of Roulettebeater
Do not listen to this guy.
Either work for the casino or be a complete novice.
Tell me why zero should be more common than another number.
Hypothetical situation when zero will not appear for 3 sessions of 70 spins, what is the capital withdrawal of 5000 units?
How do you do it?
And in the next session you have 3 hits in the first 37 spins, recovery from that hole is impossible.
One of the fastes way to lose big money , what i read on this forum.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 15, 02:52 AM 2017
Try this, and you should thank me for sharing this with you
Place a dollar each on both red and black and start with two dollars on green zero. Double the amount of bet on green zero after every 10 trials and you would encounter zero within first 60-70 trials you would end roulette every time with a profit. I always do 70 trials on zero and double the bet after every 10 trials.
Read that again. Slowly
This must be a joke. Betting red and black at the same time is same as not betting them at all
:yawn:
Quote from: Ratwood85 on Nov 15, 01:26 AM 2017
Excuse me to share my opinion.
I prefer to bet 9straight numbers 1chip each numbers. It mean that 1win can recoup 3loss. play it flatbed and what can make you win is the ratio between winning and losing..
I will say I have had some very good days playing nine numbers. Try to track what is hitting.
Low odd 1 3 5 7 11 13 17
High even 20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34 36
This is one side of the wheel
Low even 2 4 6 8 10 14 16 18
High odd 19 21 23 25 27 29 31 33 35
This is the other side of the wheel
Low black 2 4 6 8 10 11 13 15 17
High black 20 22 24 26 28 29 31 33 35
Low red 1 3 5 7 9 12 14 16 18
High red 19 21 23 25 27 29 30 32 34 36
11 13 15 17 20 22 24 26 28 black on one side of the wheel.
1 3 5 7 9 30 32 34 36 red on the same side of the wheel.
Other side of wheel
2 4 6 8 10 29 31 33 35 black
12 14 16 18 19 21 23 25 27 red
Double zero wheel
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 15, 02:52 AM 2017
Try this, and you should thank me for sharing this with you
Place a dollar each on both red and black and start with two dollars on green zero. Double the amount of bet on green zero after every 10 trials and you would encounter zero within first 60-70 trials you would end roulette every time with a profit. I always do 70 trials on zero and double the bet after every 10 trials.
This definitely is The Holy Grail lol ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: ozon on Nov 15, 08:19 AM 2017
To the post of Roulettebeater
Do not listen to this guy.
Either work for the casino or be a complete novice.
Tell me why zero should be more common than another number.
Hypothetical situation when zero will not appear for 3 sessions of 70 spins, what is the capital withdrawal of 5000 units?
How do you do it?
And in the next session you have 3 hits in the first 37 spins, recovery from that hole is impossible.
One of the fastes way to lose big money , what i read on this forum.
Hey OZON.
I still think your "polish government" is doing the right thing in preventing you from playing online roulette..
you should be thankful for if you still live in Poland.
Quote from: Gitano on Nov 15, 10:35 AM 2017
This definitely is The Holy Grail lol ;D ;D :thumbsup:
HGs dont exist
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 15, 09:34 AM 2017
Read that again. Slowly
This must be a joke. Betting red and black at the same time is same as not betting them at all
:yawn:
yes, it's joke
My zerooooo is mising 180 times :o
Its not ur thread if u dont believe in HG. Dont joke around when others are discussing seriously.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Nov 15, 01:05 PM 2017
My zerooooo is mising 180 times :o
ohhhh, then play american roulette you will see more zero's...
Joke! :xd:
Quote from: Madi on Nov 15, 01:56 PM 2017
Its not ur thread if u dont believe in HG. Dont joke around when others are discussing seriously.
Madi, stay cool man.
a bit of fun is nice too.
let me add some serious words with regards to Andre's question..
i think andre put a lot of effort on this, however i personally think there are easier ways to profit from roulette than this way.
I've been studying, studying and studying a lot of strategies and I'm doing various tests and simulations on the RX for many hours without stopping. All based on what MoneyT said. At the moment I'm busy at work. But I came to a conclusion: There is no Holy Grail! Soon I'll post some points here.
About parallel stream, my take is in the value of correlation between the 2 streams. My preliminary look at it looks very promising, it's logical and possibly a big thing, the big BUT at this moment it's terribly tedious to construct and match this correlation done manually, I have to code this sh#t. So homework reserve for the weekend. :thumbsup:
I'm trying a few hours an interesting system. The parallel stream betting uniques and repeats at the same time. You get the 8 numbers that hit and bet together with your neighbors non hit only, totaling 24 numbers. For example, first spin hit number 15, you will construct the parallel stream with the numbers 14, 15 and 16 and so on. And you will have to changing the construction of the stream for each spin.
I still have to do more tests.
Request for help.
Has anyone coded on excel the translation into parallel stream ?
Can you be kind enough to post this spreadsheet pls ? TQ
Quote from: cht on Nov 15, 07:59 PM 2017
Request for help.
Has anyone coded on excel the translation into parallel stream ?
Can you be kind enough to post this spreadsheet pls ? TQ
39 posted one in rrbb thread thinking outbox
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 15, 11:09 PM 2017
39 posted one in rrbb thread thinking outbox
Date expire password protected !
Are excel spreadsheets so valuable ? >:( Perhaps I should sell my spreadsheets too ! :twisted:
Quote from: cht on Nov 16, 12:03 AM 2017
Date expire password protected !
Are excel spreadsheets so valuable ? >:( Perhaps I should sell my spreadsheets too ! :twisted:
I didn't know that this version had a password and no one was selling anything....I just tried to help out!
But since you want to act like a prick. I'll let you find the password on your own
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 15, 04:02 PM 2017
I've been studying, studying and studying a lot of strategies and I'm doing various tests and simulations on the RX for many hours without stopping. All based on what MoneyT said. At the moment I'm busy at work. But I came to a conclusion: There is no Holy Grail! Soon I'll post some points here.
yes, there is no HG!
Andre, why don't you get in touch with me?
Didn't I offer you a help ? But still waiting for your answer.
I have a winning system, it's not far from what you have reached so far.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Nov 16, 06:15 AM 2017
I didn't know that this version had a password and no one was selling anything....I just tried to help out!
But since you want to act like a prick. I'll let you find the password on your own
You didn't know there's a password protect ? Great !
And I ask for help. Unlike you and the rest of the smarties, I've revealed all the details of my work plus spreadsheets, no hiding or password protect shit or post in cryptic codes means I act like a prick. Great ! Fantastic !
What's wrong with this farking forum ?
You guys have not seen the real stuff yet. Ofc that I don't post on forums. And that spreadsheet request, it's a test on your attitude, it's easy coding buddy. For your info the guy who posted that spreadsheet me pmed me about how to write codes my level. :twisted:
From now on I'll post my results only. That's me acting like a PRICK. :thumbsup:
hello.
password is: Rforum
How arrogant!
if you guys know who I'm talking about!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 16, 06:33 AM 2017
yes, there is no HG!
Andre, why don't you get in touch with me?
Didn't I offer you a help ? But still waiting for your answer.
I have a winning system, it's not far from what you have reached so far.
ROULETTEBEATER
Sorry, I was busy these days. I didn't forget you...
Let's do it this weekend?
Quote from: spartacus on Nov 16, 10:52 AM 2017
hello.
password is: Rforum
Thanks a lot mate ! :thumbsup:
It's a pleasure :) ;)
My final conclusions are the conclusions I had before. There is no Holy Grail. Who says that beat roulette playing flat bet is not saying the truth.
No change in odds. No change in payouts. No change at all. All that's left is progression or money management, and that's nothing but different size bets on different spins.
There's no system that works long term. It's just a wast of time. It's a ilusion. You leave the casino thinking you have a winning strategy / system. You win for 5, 6, 7, days. Then you go back to the casino and lose everything you won and plus.
I do not want to ruin the party. I am not the owner of the truth, but it is my humble opinion.
I like to test systems just for fun. I have a lot of fun with ignatus systems. And I thanks nottophammer. But ... Winning for real is another story.
The only way to have any chance of beating roulette is changing the odds predicting which sector the ball will land on. This can be done using VB and roulette softwares/computers.
Imho
I'm going back to my old strategy! Only a single bet per day with a good profit.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 16, 09:03 PM 2017
My final conclusions are the conclusions I had before. There is no Holy Grail. Who says that beat roulette playing flat bet is not saying the truth.
No change in odds. No change in payouts. No change at all. All that's left is progression or money management, and that's nothing but different size bets on different spins.
There's no system that works long term. It's just a wast of time. It's a ilusion. You leave the casino thinking you have a winning strategy / system. You win for 5, 6, 7, days. Then you go back to the casino and lose everything you won and plus.
I do not want to ruin the party. I am not the owner of the truth, but it is my humble opinion.
I like to test systems just for fun. I have a lot of fun with ignatus systems. And I thanks nottophammer. But ... Winning for real is another story.
The only way to have any chance of beating roulette is changing the odds predicting which sector the ball will land on. This can be done using VB and roulette softwares/computers.
Imho
I'm going back to my old strategy! Only a single bet per day with a good profit.
Wrong wrong wrong
I me too was like u thinking no way to beat them flatbetting until I found the ultimate system which enable me
To play flatbet and I exit when I reach an acceptable profit
How do you know it isn't just short term profit? 10 other people might be using the same system but losing. It doesn't need to be exactly the same system, just to use the same principles
Good question, Steve !
after a lot of analysis i found the secretsauce, you always speak about cause and effect, that's exactly what I focus on, I am now able to predict the sector the ball will hit on based on the last 4 spins, don't understand me wrong the numbers are nothing and are just effect, the secretsauce is in the cause.
And returning to your question, if I see that the system is surviving thousands of spins, then I can surely say it's not a short term solution.
It at least sounds plausible. the only way i know that would be possible is with strict rules waiting for the perfect conditions. But it would have limitations like taking a long time. maybe you know something else. I hope your success continues.
I can't give a lot of details, because I don't think is a good idea to reveal everything.
But I will try to give an overview, suppose you divide the wheel in sectors, within the previous x spins you do a reverse-engineering by fringe projection for a quick and accurate digitization n of the objects (with a certain accuracy) this technique will enable you to obtain an estimation of the speeds, with all these information you can now calibrate the wheel and bet on the most relevant part of the wheel...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 17, 04:46 AM 2017
I can't give a lot of details, because I don't think is a good idea to reveal everything.
But I will try to give an overview, suppose you divide the wheel in sectors, within the previous x spins you do a reverse-engineering by fringe projection for a quick and accurate digitization n of the objects (with a certain accuracy) this technique will enable you to obtain an estimation of the speeds, with all these information you can now calibrate the wheel and bet on the most relevant part of the wheel...
Nice that you use computer aided betselection, imo it's the way to go.
Quote from: cht on Nov 17, 05:28 AM 2017
Nice that you use computer aided betselection, imo it's the way to go.
I am really looking forward to speak, talk, discuss, and improve this with people who are interested and have skills to bring this technique to the next level.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 17, 03:07 AM 2017
Wrong wrong wrong
I me too was like u thinking no way to beat them flatbetting until I found the ultimate system which enable me
To play flatbet and I exit when I reach an acceptable profit
Wrong? Why?
I play flat bet but a single bet a day.
I'm a hit and run player. That's the way I like it.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 17, 03:07 AM 2017
Wrong wrong wrong
I me too was like u thinking no way to beat them flatbetting until I found the ultimate system which enable me
To play flatbet and I exit when I reach an acceptable profit
What is your system to play
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 17, 10:52 AM 2017
Wrong? Why?
I play flat bet but a single bet a day.
I'm a hit and run player. That's the way I like it.
Andre, playing one bet per day then leave isn't flatbet play.
I play for hours flatbetting and I exit when I accumulate enough chips
You said that you got a computer but can't use it online, I think we might consolidate your computer with my system
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 17, 11:39 AM 2017
Andre, playing one bet per day then leave isn't flatbet play.
I play for hours flatbetting and I exit when I accumulate enough chips
You said that you got a computer but can't use it online, I think we might consolidate your computer with my system
Ok Roulettebeater ..... But what is your system you use to play for hours ....
It's impossible playing for hours Flatbet without progression. Ok, it's possible, but you will probably lose...
That's why I play hit and run.
Imho
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 17, 11:39 AM 2017
You said that you got a computer but can't use it online, I think we might consolidate your computer with my system
What I have is not quite a computer, it is a software installed on the cell phone that predicts approximately the sector of roulette that the ball will land. But as I said before, it requires a lot of practice. And as Steve says, even computers can have some consecutive losses.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 17, 04:30 AM 2017
the only way i know that would be possible is with strict rules waiting for the perfect conditions. But it would have limitations like taking a long time.
That's what I do... My strategy takes 2 to 4 hour of my time a single bet.
Today one single bet and more 300 bucks in my bank account...
I think we should call you the "Consistent winner"... what a disciplined guy are you!
if you collect your profit until they reach 10k and then you re-invest only 20% and try to build them up again... you will then noway lose the money you took from the house
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 17, 03:13 PM 2017
I think we should call you the "Consistent winner"... what a disciplined guy are you!
if you collect your profit until they reach 10k and then you re-invest only 20% and try to build them up again... you will then noway lose the money you took from the house
Thanks!
I've already reached it.
No one can beat roulette with just 50.00. Winning roulette requires decent bankroll, patience, discipline and courage.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 17, 04:28 PM 2017
Thanks!
I've already reached it.
No one can beat roulette with just 50.00. Winning roulette requires decent bankroll, patience, discipline and courage.
Day after day, you proving to me that you are a profi more than many here on forum who pretend they are experts
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 17, 02:41 PM 2017
Today one single bet and more 300 bucks in my bank account...
Andre,
Good job ! And as I have mentioned before, just stick to what is working for you.
You obviously have come up with a betting methodology that you are comfortable with both financially and psychologically -- so stick with it and keep making the above amount on a daily basis (albeit with the inevitable occasional loss).
And don't worry too much about all the "non-random" stuff (vdw, pigeon hole principle, friends and strangers theorem, birthday paradox, dynamic streams, parallel streams, etc.) that nowadays pollutes this forum.
In terms of making actual profits at roulette, much of that is much ado about nothing.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 18, 10:48 AM 2017
Day after day, you proving to me that you are a profi more than many here on forum who pretend they are experts
I just play my game, my strategy.
I'm a hit and run player and I think is the best option for me.
I think the less you stay at the table, the lower the risk.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 18, 11:24 AM 2017And don't worry too much about all the "non-random" stuff (vdw, pigeon hole principle, friends and strangers theorem, birthday paradox, dynamic streams, parallel streams, etc.) that nowadays pollutes this forum.
Good advise! Non-random is very bad! Lets play guessing games and have fun, but only fun.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 18, 11:24 AM 2017
Andre,
Good job ! And as I have mentioned before, just stick to what is working for you.
You obviously have come up with a betting methodology that you are comfortable with both financially and psychologically -- so stick with it and keep making the above amount on a daily basis (albeit with the inevitable occasional loss).
And don't worry too much about all the "non-random" stuff (vdw, pigeon hole principle, friends and strangers theorem, birthday paradox, dynamic streams, parallel streams, etc.) that nowadays pollutes this forum.
In terms of making actual profits at roulette, much of that is much ado about nothing.
Thanks my friend!
I recently joined this forum and learned a lot, but I still haven't found a strategy or system that makes me feel comfortable betting. I haven't found any long-term flatbet winning strategy. I really can't get all these non-random stuff no more.
So I stand with my old strategy! I'm happy with it!
All the best
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 21, 11:19 AM 2017
Thanks my friend!
I recently joined this forum and learned a lot, but I still haven't found a strategy or system that makes me feel comfortable betting. I haven't found any long-term flatbet winning strategy. I really can't get all these non-random stuff no more.
So I stand with my old strategy! I'm happy with it!
All the best
Well maybe we should fiinally listen to you and play same by waiting for a trigger.
The human greedisom is killing everybody's strategy