Figure out a system that can survive being abused. I mean waking up at 9am and it still be winning by 5pm. Then only play a few spins a day for real picking out the safest and most perfect conditions BETTING HIGH and walking away. Why spin 10 times making 70 units when you can bet high spinning just once making the same profit? Of course your system needs to be good enough to win just one spin a day right?
What makes a winning system is the person playing it, the knowledge they have not only in roulette but gambling in general. I spoke to someone who played something like 25 spins in a row covering the board except for 7 numbers. He was wagering 360 units a time I believe he made over 2 grand. I told him he has BALLS to do that. His reply ''A good gambler knows how to notice winning and losing streaks and how to bet accordingly to those conditions''
It's not the system that makes it the holy grail its the person playing it, I'm sure there are people out there who can make the simplest systems the holy grail. If you gave a great system to a degenerate gambler without much knowledge of the wheel i'm sure he would lose all his bankroll in a week. Think about it. ;)
Person does not count.
Only the edge counts.
If your system has no real advantage over casino, nothing will change that.
Series of losing and winning bets, do not prove nothing.
How even a most disciplin player could make money with a losing system in long run.
Quote from: ozon on Nov 22, 09:35 AM 2017
Person does not count.
Only the edge counts.
If your system has no real advantage over casino, nothing will change that.
Series of losing and winning bets, do not prove nothing.
How even a most disciplin player could make money with a losing system in long run.
Good point, Ozon !
Can you give an example how to measure the player edge in a particular system ?
You're wrong! Use the statistic is an advantage, large bankroll is advantage, wait for the perfect condition is advantage.
I play a single bet a day and I'm making 300,00. Hit and run playing. More than 10k already.
I have my own holy Grail
This is difficult .
It depends on how big the edge is.
If it is big then you see it on the charts after a few 10k spins even much less if nothing changes and all graphs look the same.
But if there is a minimum, such as cauting cards in blackjack, you have to make long simulations to see the results, since drowdawn can be wery deep even 400 units plaing flat with stake 1 unit per bet.
Haha hit n run change nothing , 10k only spins and waiting game for me is dont prove anithing for now.
I wish You luck , play You bet for 3 years , will see.
Ok boss, you owned the truth.
Go ahead with your system an make millions.
I'm not the boss
I do not have the truth.
I am involved in active gambling for over 10 years.
What I understand by gambling, is casino play, trading on sports exchange and forex.
And believe me casinos play is the hardest, because the edge is very heavy to obtain.
I play long run and do not believe that something short run can work.
Show me prove that You will strategically work for years of plaing
I dont want spend years of try not prowen strategy , to see im on zero or even minus.
Someday I have asked a question here in forum, if we can form a syndicate to beat the house's beloved game (the devil game).. I have a system that wins but it need high bankroll, the thing that I don't have for now
I have a system that does win flatbet, but profit is low...it never miss more than 4 misses in a row (4 misses occur mostly during dealer switch)
Unfortunately, creating such a syndicate is very difficult, people with money are very skeptical to get involved in such an interest.
You need to get professional players, with experience and discipline and this is a very big problem
The best way is to earn yourself in normal job, even if it takes a long time.
If you got the edge, you make very good money.
Quite easy actually. But it makes zero sense. Dissipating the worth of individuals with tangible assets (actual wealth, HG) with other people with no discernible value to offer is ludicrous. Common sense. The wishful thinking on here can be quite odd.
To create such a syndicate is not a problem, but I speak about his good actions and this is a completely different story.
If your system use progression, forget it. Only flatbet. Only b&m casino.
If your system runs into deep drawdown of 100+ chips or multiple cycles, don't qualify. What is your system drawdown% ?
What is your per session bankroll in x chips ? What is the total bankroll in x chips ?
How many spins per session ? How many sessions per day ?
Is your system suitable to play at manual tables ?
Is this a 1man operation or require a team of players ?
Are you willing to provide proof of your system's edge ?
Quote from: cht on Nov 22, 12:18 PM 2017
If your system use progression, forget it. Only flatbet. Only b&m casino.
If your system runs into deep drawdown of 100+ chips or multiple cycles, don't qualify. What is your system drawdown% ?
What is your per session bankroll in x chips ? What is the total bankroll in x chips ?
How many spins per session ? How many sessions per day ?
Is your system suitable to play at manual tables ?
Is this a 1man operation or require a team of players ?
Are you willing to provide proof of your system's edge ?
And to what end, is the question? Proverbially, who are you to me? Are you a wealthy investor? Again, what sense does it make to commence commerce upon folks who bring little of value to the table.
Quote from: ozon on Nov 22, 10:17 AM 2017
I'm not the boss
I do not have the truth.
I am involved in active gambling for over 10 years.
What I understand by gambling, is casino play, trading on sports exchange and forex.
And believe me casinos play is the hardest, because the edge is very heavy to obtain.
I play long run and do not believe that something short run can work.
Show me prove that You will strategically work for years of plaing
I dont want spend years of try not prowen strategy , to see im on zero or even minus.
Forex is best that's to make serious money - you got to learn to read the market,
sportbet is 2nd - full of fun if you enjoy calculating odds(see pic),
casino games is hardest.
sportbet and casino games is fun and recreational activity.
Forex is the best and has the biggest potential.
Many people lose money because they treat it as an investment, not a gambling activity, and enter the market with too much capital and too little knowledge.
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Believe me, it wins flatbet... but you should be very very patient!!!!!
Quote from: cht on Nov 22, 12:36 PM 2017
Forex is best that's to make serious money - you got to learn to read the market,
sportbet is 2nd - full of fun if you enjoy calculating odds(see pic),
casino games is hardest.
sportbet and casino games is fun and recreational activity.
Where and how can I learn about forex?
Do you use a robot?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 01:06 PM 2017
Where and how can I learn about forex?
Do you use a robot?
Start with this thread, lots of stuff from real traders.
link:s://:.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=557181
This is a good simple thread to learn from if you're new to reading charts and actual trading.
link:s://:.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=691864
Quote from: cht on Nov 22, 01:12 PM 2017
Start with this thread, lots of stuff from real traders.
link:s://:.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=557181
This is a good simple thread to learn from if you're new to reading charts and actual trading.
link:s://:.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=691864
Thanks, I appreciate it!
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Have you ever thought about playing on virtual losses and betting big? waiting for maybe 3 losses in a row going for one or two wins a day? Or betting on virtual wins. So being able to determine winning streaks like ive explained and bet one win and restart? It seems like a system where you can avoid more losses.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 01:54 PM 2017
Have you ever thought about playing on virtual losses and betting big? waiting for maybe 3 losses in a row going for one or two wins a day? Or betting on virtual wins. So being able to determine winning streaks like ive explained and bet one win and restart? It seems like a system where you can avoid more losses.
well, you bringing me closer to the edge of letting go my egoism....thx
I am a greedy guy, i just have pain when i sit down and wait for LLL...The pain becomes harder if i see how many W i am missing just hoping the damn LLL appears... ;(
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 02:06 PM 2017
well, you bringing me closer to the edge of letting go my egoism....thx
I am a greedy guy, i just have pain when i sit down and wait for LLL...The pain becomes harder if i see how many W i am missing just hoping the damn LLL appears... ;(
I KNOW THE FEELING :xd: then when you wait so long as that loss comes. Gut wrenching. I use to play a system where I would bet for real every 4 virtual wins. It worked for a bit I didn't test it as long as I should have. You could also wait for lets say 5 losses doesnt have to be in a row. Then bet after the 5th. It would have to lose two in a row for you to lose.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 02:08 PM 2017I KNOW THE FEELING :xd: then when you wait so long as that loss comes. Gut wrenching. I use to play a system where I would bet for real every 4 virtual wins. It worked for a bit I didn't test it as long as I should have. You could also wait for lets say 5 losses doesnt have to be in a row. Then bet after the 5th. It would have to lose two in a row for you to lose.
Targeting one bet after 4 conescutive W is a good idea, i have never tried it..thx
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 02:14 PM 2017
Targeting one bet after 4 conescutive W is a good idea, i have never tried it..thx
My logic behind it was because I use to cover 29 numbers so you needed to win 4 in a row to get your initial bet back. So my way of avoiding losses was waiting for 4 in a row then betting on a 5th (kind of taking advantage of win streaks) losses did come but fewer. Safer version was me betting after 8 wins a row. Your payout is different so you could try changing it its situational of course. Just try to look at your wins and losses and see what doesn't lose. The more stats you have the more accurate.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 02:22 PM 2017
My logic behind it was because I use to cover 29 numbers so you needed to win 4 in a row to get your initial bet back. So my way of avoiding losses was waiting for 4 in a row then betting on a 5th (kind of taking advantage of win streaks) losses did come but fewer. Safer version was me betting after 8 wins a row. Your payout is different so you could try changing it its situational of course. Just try to look at your wins and losses and see what doesn't lose. The more stats you have the more accurate.
Let's keep in touch, i'd like to discuss with u some issues.
Alright.
Do you want to win or do you want to feel pleasure playing. I prefer the first option.
That's the way I like it. A single bet per day. It take about 4 hours of my time waiting the trigger.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19490.0
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 02:49 PM 2017That's the way I like it. A single bet per day. It take about 4 hours of my time waiting the trigger.
come on, i give you my system, then you just need to wait for 4 W and bet
in 4 hours, you will make too much money
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 02:49 PM 2017
Do you want to win or do you want to feel pleasure playing. I prefer the first option.
That's the way I like it. A single bet per day. It take about 4 hours of my time waiting the trigger.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19490.0
If what you are saying is true you could just win two spins a week 8 hours a week. Not only will you be saving 32 hours of your time (not including travel) you will be making double what the average makes :ooh: the funny part is that would make it extremely safe you would have to be one unlucky bastard to lose. (im not suggesting you do that its just putting it into perspective)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 02:57 PM 2017
come on, i give you my system, then you just need to wait for 4 W and bet
in 4 hours, you will make too much money
I don't know your system yet!
Let's trade some information and see if it works.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 03:03 PM 2017
If what you are saying is true you could just win two spins a week 8 hours a week. Not only will you be saving 32 hours of your time (not including travel) you will be making double what the average makes :ooh: the funny part is that would make it extremely safe you would have to be one unlucky bastard to lose. (im not suggesting you do that its just putting it into perspective)
Why would I only make 2 wins per week?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 03:04 PM 2017
I don't know your system yet!
Let's trade some information and see if it works.
No prob, drop me a pm...
i can show you how my system works...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 03:07 PM 2017
Why would I only make 2 wins per week?
No no i'm just saying. Let's say you did thats still more than most people earn for working 40 hours a week and you do it in just 8 hours of your time. All that free time you'll have to live life.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 03:12 PM 2017
No no i'm just saying. Let's say you did thats still more than most people earn for 8 hours of your time. All that free time you'll have to live life.
I'm an unemployed teacher...
Roulette is my job at the moment...lol
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 03:16 PM 2017I'm an unemployed teacher...
Roulette is my job at the moment...lol
in a few years, you can start teaching roulette in schools
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i bet 24 numbers (24 $ with a profit of 12 $)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 03:20 PM 2017
in a few years, you can start teaching roulette in schools
I'm a noobie! There's a lot of millionaire roulette experts here...lol
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 03:23 PM 2017
I'm a noobie! There's a lot of millionaire roulette experts here...lol
Roulette is like teenage sex, everyone talks about it, nobody really knows how to do it, everyone thinks everyone else is doing it, so everyone claims they are doing it
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 03:26 PM 2017
Roulette is like teenage sex, everyone talks about it, nobody really knows how to do it, everyone thinks everone else is doing it, so everyone calims they are doing it
Hahaha... Great! It's a good comparison!
Many people here talk too much and claim be experts. If were one I would be in Hawaii with my Lamborghini now...lol
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i bet 24 numbers (24 $ with a profit of 12 $)
I sent you a pm. But yeah those results are obviously great. My worry is you are betting on all conditions. There has to be ways to narrow down the system. Wait for more triggers maybe? I used to test my system where I would wait for 8 contiguous sectors to be sleeping (check attachments). 5-5-4. The results were so much better because I only played in the exact same conditions. The 5- 5- 4 suggests the dealer is playing very consistently. It takes maximum 80-150 spins to happen.
Just try to dig deeper think outside the box. What you have is a good start but i'd bet it can be so much better.
At the end of the day you only need two wins to get your stake back. sounds amazing if you are playing high stakes and you get those two wins in a row.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 03:36 PM 2017
I sent you a pm. But yeah those results are obviously great. My worry is you are betting on all conditions. There has to be ways to narrow down the system. Wait for more triggers maybe? I used to test my system where I would wait for 8 contiguous sectors to be sleeping (check attachments). 5-5-4. The results were so much better because I only played in the exact same conditions. The 5- 5- 4 suggests the dealer is playing very consistently. It takes maximum 80-150 spins to happen.
Just try to dig deeper think outside the box. What you have is a good start but i'd bet it can be so much better.
At the end of the day you only need two wins to get your stake back. sounds amazing if you are playing high stakes and you get those two wins in a row.
I have strong feeling that we can work together to take the system to the next level.
you showing good knowledge and i am looking forward for a knowledge share with you
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 03:50 PM 2017
I have strong feeling that we can work together to take the system to the next level.
you showing good knowledge and i am looking forward for a knowledge share with you
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Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 03:36 PM 2017
I sent you a pm. But yeah those results are obviously great. My worry is you are betting on all conditions. There has to be ways to narrow down the system. Wait for more triggers maybe? I used to test my system where I would wait for 8 contiguous sectors to be sleeping (check attachments). 5-5-4. The results were so much better because I only played in the exact same conditions. The 5- 5- 4 suggests the dealer is playing very consistently. It takes maximum 80-150 spins to happen.
Just try to dig deeper think outside the box. What you have is a good start but i'd bet it can be so much better.
At the end of the day you only need two wins to get your stake back. sounds amazing if you are playing high stakes and you get those two wins in a row.
How many spins did you test it?
What I see is not enough to play safe.
I tested my strategy 1 million if spins.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 03:57 PM 2017
How many spins did you test it?
What I see is not enough to play safe.
I tested my strategy 1 million if spins.
yoo i'm giving him conditions. Not a system. Two completely different things.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 03:36 PM 2017
I sent you a pm. But yeah those results are obviously great. My worry is you are betting on all conditions. There has to be ways to narrow down the system. Wait for more triggers maybe? I used to test my system where I would wait for 8 contiguous sectors to be sleeping (check attachments). 5-5-4. The results were so much better because I only played in the exact same conditions. The 5- 5- 4 suggests the dealer is playing very consistently. It takes maximum 80-150 spins to happen.
Just try to dig deeper think outside the box. What you have is a good start but i'd bet it can be so much better.
At the end of the day you only need two wins to get your stake back. sounds amazing if you are playing high stakes and you get those two wins in a row.
my method is based on physics and stats... i use the data to estimate the speed...
i have complex algorithm (i wrote myself) to predict the sector where the ball will fall on.
i divide the wheel in three equal sectors and i bet on the two top sectors.... the system is a real-time solution as no need to wait for trigger /or sleeping etc...
of course there are limitations that can produce inconsistency like dealer change, sectors have same chance of hit...but all these are known and hopefully isolated
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 04:05 PM 2017
my method is based on physics and stats... i use the data to estimate the speed...
i have complex algorithm (i wrote myself) to predict the sector where the ball will fall on.
i divide the wheel in three equal sectors and i bet on the two top sectors.... the system is a real-time solution as no need to wait for trigger /or sleeping etc...
I have a software that predicts the sector, but I have not used it real game
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 04:03 PM 2017
yoo i'm giving him conditions. Not a system. Two completely different things.
I don't use system. I use strategy...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 04:10 PM 2017
I don't use system. I use strategy...
If I were you after those 4 hours I would be studying another way to make money outside of roulette. Rich gets richer for a reason. There are safe trades you can make with 10k bank rolls. HELL I know a trading system that needs 2k that makes 200 a day with a 70% win rate. losses automatically stop at a £50. Find connections, mentors a lot of pros will take you seriously if you show them you are self made.
I know a guy who made 220k in 3 months playing pocket count roulette in my local casino. If i were making 300 a day I am sure he would trade his system with me.
If I made 50k playing roulette I would walk the f*** away I dont care how good my 'strat' is
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 04:15 PM 2017
If I were you after those 4 hours I would be studying another way to make money outside of roulette. Rich gets richer for a reason. There are safe trades you can make with 10k bank rolls. HELL I know a trading system that needs 2k that makes 200 a day with a 70% win rate. losses automatically stop at a £50. Find connections, mentors a lot of pros will take you seriously if you show them you are self made.
Which trade system do you know?
I know a guy who made 220k in 3 months playing pocket count roulette in my local casino. If i were making 300 a day I am sure he would trade his system with me.
Looks like you don't believe I'm making 300 bucks a day. I did not understand what u mean...
220.000 in 3 months?
If I made 50k playing roulette I would walk the f*** away I dont care how good my 'strat' is
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 04:40 PM 2017Report to moderator Logged
I believe you. Your system makes sense. In fact it would be pretty unlucky to lose. And its a german stock market system DAX you bet for a gap to close or open. I can send you the pdf if you wish ? A lot of studying to do on it. its got 22 pages on each part. (4 parts) But the concept is easy.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 04:47 PM 2017
I believe you. Your system makes sense. In fact it would be pretty unlucky to lose. And its a german stock market system DAX you bet for a gap to close or open. I can send you the pdf if you wish ? A lot of studying to do on it. its got 22 pages on each part. (4 parts) But the concept is easy.
I think we both think and play similarly.
You are a hit and run player like me!
Could you send it to me? I will appreciate it
Yes we do. I love the ol' hit and run. No messing about you know if you've won or lost straight away. Drop me an email and ill send it over. I haven't dug deep to find this. With proper motivation you could find better.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 04:57 PM 2017
Yes we do. I love the ol' hit and run. No messing about you know if you've won or lost straight away. Drop me an email and ill send it over. I haven't dug deep to find this. With proper motivation you could find better.
I sent you a mb
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 22, 03:23 PM 2017
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Tagu, what do you think about the result here?
i bet 24 numbers (24 $ with a profit of 12 $)
Plot your lw result on a graph, w=+1, l=-2
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 22, 05:08 PM 2017
I sent you a mb
Dax has a higher pip value compared to the usual fx pairs. Plus dax can move quickly with high volatility. It's now trading at all time high. It can be too challenging for someone new to trading.
As I see, the definition of the "holy grail" is:
"A mechanical system, free of any guesswork, which is continually more likely to profit the more it is applied, on either fair RNG or real wheel spins."
Keep in mind:
* It must be "fair' RNG or real spins
* Any two people using the same system on the same spins would make exactly the same bets (mechanical system)
* Either a winning or losing system can win or lose in the short term. BUT a genuine winning system is more likely to win, the more you play. Which is why I used the words "more likely to profit the more it is applied".
My advice is the holy grail may exist, but you are more likely wasting time trying to find it.
All business is risk vs reward. In the case of pursuing the holy grail, the chances are you wont find it - you risk loads of wasted time. The potential reward is lots of easy money. The reward sounds great, but I think the risk of wasted time far outweighs the reward because much money do you really need to be comfortable? And the limit to winnings is still what casinos will allow.
There are easier ways to make money than roulette. But it is more than money - it's an intellectual pursuit, that also pays well if done right.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 09:26 PM 2017
As I see, the definition of the "holy grail" is:
"A mechanical system, free of any guesswork, which is continually more likely to profit the more it is applied, on either fair RNG or real wheel spins."
Keep in mind:
* It must be "fair' RNG or real spins
* Any two people using the same system on the same spins would make exactly the same bets (mechanical system)
* Either a winning or losing system can win or lose in the short term. BUT a genuine winning system is more likely to win, the more you play. Which is why I used the words "more likely to profit the more it is applied".
My advice is the holy grail may exist, but you are more likely wasting time trying to find it.
All business is risk vs reward. In the case of pursuing the holy grail, the chances are you wont find it - you risk loads of wasted time. The potential reward is lots of easy money. The reward sounds great, but I think the risk of wasted time far outweighs the reward because much money do you really need to be comfortable? And the limit to winnings is still what casinos will allow.
There are easier ways to make money than roulette. But it is more than money - it's an intellectual pursuit, that also pays well if done right.
Interesting.
Tagu
Can you send me the system on GAPS on DAX.
Will send you an email to me in PM.
Some time ago I read about GAPs, but their play was very difficult due to the extended spread by brokers, during their appearances.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 09:26 PM 2017
As I see, the definition of the "holy grail" is:
"A mechanical system, free of any guesswork, which is continually more likely to profit the more it is applied, on either fair RNG or real wheel spins."
Keep in mind:
* It must be "fair' RNG or real spins
* Any two people using the same system on the same spins would make exactly the same bets (mechanical system)
* Either a winning or losing system can win or lose in the short term. BUT a genuine winning system is more likely to win, the more you play. Which is why I used the words "more likely to profit the more it is applied".
My advice is the holy grail may exist, but you are more likely wasting time trying to find it.
All business is risk vs reward. In the case of pursuing the holy grail, the chances are you wont find it - you risk loads of wasted time. The potential reward is lots of easy money. The reward sounds great, but I think the risk of wasted time far outweighs the reward because much money do you really need to be comfortable? And the limit to winnings is still what casinos will allow.
There are easier ways to make money than roulette. But it is more than money - it's an intellectual pursuit, that also pays well if done right.
Why waste your life on casino games when winnings is limited ? If you love to gamble, I suggest sportsbet, especially football. You can win a lot more if you're good at reading odds.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 22, 09:26 PM 2017
But it is more than money - it's an intellectual pursuit, that also pays well if done right.
Somehow I get the impression your offer albeit insufficient states otherwise.
Quote from: cht on Nov 22, 07:20 PM 2017
Plot your lw result on a graph, w=+1, l=-2
Hey cht,
What software should i use to create such graphs ?
Can u please help ?bye
Today I'm gonna test the system against a huge sample size, In the past I couldn't do such test because I was testing manually, i can show you the graphs if you tell me what software I can use to visualize the result on graphs.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 04:51 AM 2017
Today I'm gonna test the system against a huge sample size, In the past I couldn't do such test because I was testing manually, i can show you the graphs if you tell me what software I can use to visualize the result on graphs.
Check your pm in an hour. I make it for you. :smile:
Quote from: cht on Nov 23, 07:02 AM 2017
Check your pm in an hour. I make it for you. :smile:
Thank you
Quote from: cht on Nov 23, 07:02 AM 2017
Check your pm in an hour. I make it for you. :smile:
and how can you create graphs from the sheet you sent to me ?
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W=29
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Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 03:15 PM 2017
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:o damn.
believe me, i worked years on this system..it's fully dynamic strengthened with physics concepts and stats...
as you see - i just need the last 4 spins so i bet on the fifth...completely dynanmic
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 03:29 PM 2017
believe me, i worked years on this system..it's fully dynamic strengthened with physics concepts and stats...
as you see - i just need the last 4 spins so i bet on the fifth...completely dynanmic
When will you start betting for real?
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 23, 03:33 PM 2017When will you start betting for real?
I'm already doing,but i dont have big bankroll..so still scared
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 03:38 PM 2017
I'm already doing,but i dont have big bankroll..so still scared
I feel you!
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Guys, i am considering offering my help/prediction to those who are interested in earning money...we can also do live testing together..
Im sorry but not for free (for a percentage of profit - play session can be organised live via skype, the player receive from me the prediction real-time )... pm if interested
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 04:24 PM 2017
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75 live spins
Guys, i am considering offering my help/prediction to those who are interested in earning money...we can also do live testing together..
Im sorry but not for free (for a percentage of profit - play session can be organised live via skype, the player receive from me the prediction real-time )... pm if interested
Offering to provide a system but not for free, I think is against the Forum rules, no one should ask money to other Forum's Member :(
The problem with any form of predictive approach, physics or otherwise, is that the wheels in today's casinos are specifically built to provide scatter sufficient to defeat this approach. I've spent quite some time checking out the wheels in my local casino, graphing the result of where the ball lands from the point it leaves the track and I can tell you that there is sufficient scatter to put the ball anywhere on the wheel with equal distribution.
You can only ever attempt to predict the point where it leaves the track. You might have s/w that says it will likely land in positon X or sector Y but really, what you are doing is predicting where it will leave the track and using history to determine the degree of scatter. In the old days that would be sufficient - but not today. Even if you predicted perfectly the point where the ball leaves the track and you also had that position mapped perfectly to the wheel so you knew the number under it at that point, you still couldn't gain an advantage because from this point the wheel, by the combination of the canoes, the nature of the slope, weight and density of the ball, frets placement and size, all conspire to scatter the ball to any number on the wheel with equal distribution.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 04:24 PM 2017
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75 live spins
Guys, i am considering offering my help/prediction to those who are interested in earning money...we can also do live testing together..
Im sorry but not for free (for a percentage of profit - play session can be organised live via skype, the player receive from me the prediction real-time )... pm if interested
Let me help you sell your signal service. Do I get a cut ? ;D :P
Quote from: cht on Nov 23, 08:41 PM 2017
Let me help you sell your signal service. Do I get a cut ? ;D :P
Or you can take the easier route of making big bucks by betting that Man U will win both the EPL and the CL this season.
Now that Fellaini is back from his injuries, who can stop your lot?
>:D >:D
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 23, 10:10 PM 2017
Or you can take the easier route of making big bucks by betting that Man U will win both the EPL and the CL this season.
Now that Fellaini is back from his injuries, who can stop your lot?
>:D >:D
If MU can't get Griezmann this January which most likely the Glazers won't fork out the money, realistically they will only be fighting for 2-4 position. :'( I'm passionate about the club, thanks to SAF and his merry men, it's been sad story all round contributed by lots of deadwood brought in by Moyes and LVG. Mourinho is no saviour but he's doing a good job with lots more house cleaning ahead. No surprise if Mou takes up the PSG job.
Quote from: cht on Nov 23, 10:33 PM 2017
If MU can't get Griezmann this January which most likely the Glazers won't fork out the money, realistically they will only be fighting for 2-4 position. :'( I'm passionate about the club, thanks to SAF and his merry men, it's been sad story all round contributed by lots of deadwood brought in by Moyes and LVG. Mourinho is no saviour but he's doing a good job with lots more house cleaning ahead. No surprise if Mou takes up the PSG job.
My odds calculator picked both British clubs that likely won't win. My money followed my gut then was MU to lose. ;D
Quote from: cht on Nov 23, 10:33 PM 2017
If MU can't get Griezmann this January which most likely the Glazers won't fork out the money, realistically they will only be fighting for 2-4 position. :'( I'm passionate about the club, thanks to SAF and his merry men, it's been sad story all round contributed by lots of deadwood brought in by Moyes and LVG. Mourinho is no saviour but he's doing a good job with lots more house cleaning ahead. No surprise if Mou takes up the PSG job.
I read somewhere a few days ago that Woodward and his merry men have told the special one that they would sanction a big buy (Griezmann, possibly) provided he sold some squad players -- presumably those constitute the deadwood that you were referring to.
As for Griezmann, I am not sure what buying him in January (as opposed to during the next summer window) would accomplish -- he will be cup-tied for the CL. He might possibly help you in the EPL in terms of closing the gap with Citeh, but even there I think what might help you guys much more would be if de Bruyne gets injured for a couple of months. Then Pep might get found out one more time (like he got with Bayern!).
>:D >:D
Quote from: watchblue on Nov 23, 06:47 PM 2017
Offering to provide a system but not for free, I think is against the Forum rules, no one should ask money to other Forum's Member :(
What ???
I am
Not selling my system !
I am just offering the predictions as a service for a small money, so we both win ( the player and me )
And i understand that many don't believe, but believe me it works, and I can make testing for days with you before we start...
Guys, give it a try... I can show you that it works before we start... we can tests together if you don't believe
Quote from: RMore on Nov 23, 07:06 PM 2017
The problem with any form of predictive approach, physics or otherwise, is that the wheels in today's casinos are specifically built to provide scatter sufficient to defeat this approach. I've spent quite some time checking out the wheels in my local casino, graphing the result of where the ball lands from the point it leaves the track and I can tell you that there is sufficient scatter to put the ball anywhere on the wheel with equal distribution.
You can only ever attempt to predict the point where it leaves the track. You might have s/w that says it will likely land in positon X or sector Y but really, what you are doing is predicting where it will leave the track and using history to determine the degree of scatter. In the old days that would be sufficient - but not today. Even if you predicted perfectly the point where the ball leaves the track and you also had that position mapped perfectly to the wheel so you knew the number under it at that point, you still couldn't gain an advantage because from this point the wheel, by the combination of the canoes, the nature of the slope, weight and density of the ball, frets placement and size, all conspire to scatter the ball to any number on the wheel with equal distribution.
All what you saying is about the "disturbance caused by deflector, ball bounce etc" ... I have adjusted all issue to reduce this effect, I have 0,3 disturbance factor added to the formula I use to predict the sector and it's working well
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Nov 23, 10:10 PM 2017
Or you can take the easier route of making big bucks by betting that Man U will win both the EPL and the CL this season.
Now that Fellaini is back from his injuries, who can stop your lot?
>:D >:D
Don't. bother, guardiola or Conte will stop you
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Here is sample (50 tests > W=34 L=12) of results obtained from testing with the players who have contacted me....
The system has an edge... :)
Processing the last 4 spins produced the following predictions:
SECTOR0
SECTOR2
Result was number 7 (SECTOR0)
a HIT has been achieved!
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FLATBET WINNER
@Steve, do you believe in HG?
when would you say that a particular system is the HG ? based on what? what will you do next ?
how can you avoid detection if your system works only for online live wheels?
Thx
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extending the above tests to cover further 50 spins...
Result > W=72 L=22
ANOTHER 60 SPINS >
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18 -
22 L
33 W
35 W
30 L
16 W
17 L
24 W
24 W
4 W
23 W
8 W
1 -
5 W
17 W
4 W
1 L
33 W
9 L
3 W
24 W
1 L
12 L
5 W
35 W
27 W
9 W
15 L
21 L
13 W
10 W
29 W
7 W
21 W
17 W
33 L
9 W
17 W
12 W
w=114
l=36
PROFIT ~ 114/36 : 32 % return
No reviews? no remarks ? no critics ?
RG, i'd appreciate to hear your opinion.
Cheers
I did not get a chance to read your strategy yet, I will tonight
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 27, 11:56 AM 2017
No reviews? no remarks ? no critics ?
RG, i'd appreciate to hear your opinion.
Cheers
i read through the thread
looks like bait
you want people to join you in skype, and ask for money
have seen this many times before
if it works well you can make unlimited money without the need for a fee
not interested, sorry.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 23, 03:38 PM 2017
I'm already doing,but i dont have big bankroll..so still scared
In the other thread: "Take loan, you joke ?
it doesnt need to get that far..
i am not able to play too aggressively because i dont want to get caught by casino and also because of limited liquidity..
By offering the predictions i increase my profits and i dont get caught by the casino's radar as a persistent winner.
you got it?"
You contradict yourself
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Nov 27, 12:11 PM 2017
I did not get a chance to read your strategy yet, I will tonight
You are too-much negative, why don't you give some credibility to this offer?
Where the problem if I support players ?
Should I do it for free ? And my efforts I put onto the system ? Isn't fair some money ?
Plus players can get an edge with my system, so they can win, according you you I shouldn't get paid for this service ? And you call that bait, sorry but your argumentation and early judgment is the bait !
Quote from: Andre Chass on Nov 27, 06:52 PM 2017
In the other thread: "Take loan, you joke ?
it doesnt need to get that far..
i am not able to play too aggressively because i dont want to get caught by casino and also because of limited liquidity..
By offering the predictions i increase my profits and i dont get caught by the casino's radar as a persistent winner.
you got it?"
You contradict yourself
Hey, I find your advice on the loan very bad.
I am managing to make 200 every day, more I can't because to make more you should bet more, the thing I can't do right now, but it's ok.
I just thought I can help players to win and increase my profits at the same time. Where the problem in that ????
Quote from: Tagu1 on Nov 22, 09:16 AM 2017
Figure out a system that can survive being abused. I mean waking up at 9am and it still be winning by 5pm. Then only play a few spins a day for real picking out the safest and most perfect conditions BETTING HIGH and walking away. Why spin 10 times making 70 units when you can bet high spinning just once making the same profit? Of course your system needs to be good enough to win just one spin a day right?
What makes a winning system is the person playing it, the knowledge they have not only in roulette but gambling in general. I spoke to someone who played something like 25 spins in a row covering the board except for 7 numbers. He was wagering 360 units a time I believe he made over 2 grand. I told him he has BALLS to do that. His reply ''A good gambler knows how to notice winning and losing streaks and how to bet accordingly to those conditions''
It's not the system that makes it the holy grail its the person playing it, I'm sure there are people out there who can make the simplest systems the holy grail. If you gave a great system to a degenerate gambler without much knowledge of the wheel i'm sure he would lose all his bankroll in a week. Think about it. ;)
100% correct. A simple strategy can beat the unbeatable game. When applied with discipline. And smart money management.
Ive been winning at roulette for the last 10 years. Having the DISCIPLINE to accept small but consistent wins, that grow your bankroll is key.
Casinos love people without discipline..thats how they thrive. If you have a strategy that risks 7 to win 1. And you win your first game of the day at least 350 out of 365 days. You have the game of roulette beaten. PROVIDING. You can walk away after that win.
Thats how ive beaten this game for years. Casinos rely on HUMAN WEAKNESS TO PROFIT. They fear that person who can walk away as soon as theyre in profit. Or they would if they were betting big enough.
Thats the beauty of that discipline. You can earn a living under their noses. Without them even realizing it. The ones who draw attention. Are those playing large sums of money. And playing for long periods of time.
They set off the alarm bells.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 01, 10:37 AM 2017
100% correct. A simple strategy can beat the unbeatable game. When applied with discipline. And smart money management.
Ive been winning at roulette for the last 10 years. Having the DISCIPLINE to accept small but consistent wins, that grow your bankroll is key.
Casinos love people without discipline..thats how they thrive. If you have a strategy that risks 7 to win 1. And you win your first game of the day at least 350 out of 365 days. You have the game of roulette beaten. PROVIDING. You can walk away after that win.
Thats how ive beaten this game for years. Casinos rely on HUMAN WEAKNESS TO PROFIT. They fear that person who can walk away as soon as theyre in profit. Or they would if they were betting big enough.
Thats the beauty of that discipline. You can earn a living under their noses. Without them even realizing it. The ones who draw attention. Are those playing large sums of money. And playing for long periods of time.
They set off the alarm bells.
Nice to see people are actually making money especially after 10 years :O.
Quote from: Tagu1 on Dec 01, 06:36 PM 2017
Nice to see people are actually making money especially after 10 years :O.
Thankyou. Yes its possible. No system can overcome the house edge purely on its own merit. But the house edge and random, do not control the players ability to quit while ahead.
And grow a modest bankroll onto a powerful one. Slowly but surely. You will never become rich doing this. But you can definately make a nice chunk of change. A second income so to speak.
I learnt alot about being disciplined to win. From a guy called Brett Morton. Who wrote an excellent book on roulette in 2004.
Self discipline, is very important when it comes to any game of chance. People talk incessantly about systems. Chasing the holy grail which never existed. All you need to understand is, when you win. You must be happy with small but consistent profits.
And if you can win small and consistent profits 75 to 80% of the time. You will be a longterm overall winner.
The weak link is always the human mind. And greed. And its brought down many players, who otherwise could have been longterm successful.
Its never discussed enough on betting forums. Yet human discipline really is crucial to being a success at roulette.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 01, 09:49 PM 2017
Thankyou. Yes its possible. No system can overcome the house edge purely on its own merit. But the house edge and random, do not control the players ability to quit while ahead.
And grow a modest bankroll onto a powerful one. Slowly but surely. You will never become rich doing this. But you can definately make a nice chunk of change. A second income so to speak.
I learnt alot about being disciplined to win. From a guy called Brett Morton. Who wrote an excellent book on roulette in 2004.
Self discipline, is very important when it comes to any game of chance. People talk incessantly about systems. Chasing the holy grail which never existed. All you need to understand is, when you win. You must be happy with small but consistent profits.
And if you can win small and consistent profits 75 to 80% of the time. You will be a longterm overall winner.
The weak link is always the human mind. And greed. And its brought down many players, who otherwise could have been longterm successful.
Its never discussed enough on betting forums. Yet human discipline really is crucial to being a success at roulette.
Thanks.