I would ask the experienced player to drop their opinion on this so that others can save their time( if they want). And get an idea where work.
Plz dont bring the theory as we already know it cant be beaten
First of all i am gonna add
NEGATIVE PROGRESSION:
I never see a negative progression holds up. In any form for any system its a time bomb and will bust anytime. If anyone thinks different plz come up with practicle evidence so that it can help.
RNG:
I personally got good exp playing with rng and airball. Casino rng are cheat master. I belive most of u agree.
PIAYING ONLINE:
I personally got zero exp in playing online either live or rng. I wouldnt comment. Some people say that they might cheat and there is scope while others get good exp. mixed reaction.
TRIGGER
Never find this work longterm. Leave this while designing ur system
DUE
What is due in roulette. ?? Leave that
OUTSIDE BET:
People tried for years of EC and dozen bet without any significant success. Better working on single number. In every spin one single number appears and u r paying compensation if u place money on other bet types.
Software or predicting device:
Personally dont believe. Ye there might be a way if u can get the device to the wheel and measuring ball speed and other things but u r risking urself to the casino. Predictor or software used for online doesnt make any sense to me. Best way is use pen and paper.
Rare patern:
Hahaha. I have successfully failed a 10 ec blueprint and bet against or a bit complex matrix. I might be attacked by other member for saying this but it doesnt work. Dont play at home , go to casino and play, when u lose u realize or the money is urs.
COLD NUMBER (any form street dozon or ec)
Even most experienced players dont advice to play. Avoid in any form
BIRTHDAY , astrology numerology chinise lucky number
Doesnt work. Dont fall for these
BETFAIR ROUlETTE and .1 cent min stake:
Will u ever get a casino condition without a zero or .1 cent min? .1 cent min tells u whats going to be there. Try to play in real casino condition not at home
FUN PLAY:
This is not a fun to flush money out of ur pocket. Be serious and always give feedback say u r playing trigger system and lost in long term. Publish it for others so that people can be more aware of that.
Experience is always a factor. A 1 yr and 10 yr experienced person is not the same. There will be always human intelligence as factor.
I m not the first person saying these. Some other member has pointed out before which i found correct.
So what left to work with
1. Straight number
2.flat bet or positive progression ( if someone like)
Thats preety much what i know . There may be some more i could missed. Hope this will help to others designing their system.
Madi, this is a good thread with potential to learn about casino gambling
IF that's your purpose with forums.
MOST forumers are not on forums to learn.
BIG NO, they are not here to learn although they may claim otherwise. That's weird but the truth, I learn that after being active on this gambling forum for 7months.
For the very, very, very few of you who are truly passionate about gambling, who wants to learn real stuff to improve your betting, you have to ignore the
mob cheerleaders,
gurus and
overzealous noobs who post obvious irrational and excessive claims about how good a system, method is.
BIG PLUS that they will shoot anybody who tell them otherwise.
MOST of the methods and systems on forums don't work, period. I hate to use the word
ALL but if truth be told it's
ALL, take it which way you want.
The best you can do for yourself is to extract bits of
ideas about patterns how to approach the game, that's all.
To all who have posted on forums, thank you for the
bits of pattern ideas that don't work nonetheless.....cht
Now, all that I've written above happened since the time of twocatscam, warrior, nathan detroit, ausguy....... when they were actively posting. Nothing has changed since. Ausguy is still reading, not posting though.
I can bet and I will win the bet that this thread will draw minimal to zero interest when this thread has the best potential for honest, open discussion among fellow punters to share and discuss their playing experience about what works and what doesn't work to stop the time wasted and further our individual progress with this casino game at a faster rate if this effort is pooled.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 08:05 PM 2017
Experience is always a factor. A 1 yr and 10 yr experienced person is not the same. There will be always human intelligence as factor.
There're plenty of dolts who post dumbfark comments. Beware and be aware.
I have played casino games well before steve(admin) made his 1st bet measured in years. I gambled with the aim to get a merc, instead I lost a merc. How about that for experience.
Here's my share of feedback, my pov from decades of real money losing experience if anyone out there is interested -
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 05:15 PM 2017
Plz dont bring the theory as we already know it cant be beaten
I mostly hold the same believe that casino games can't be beaten. BUT as in today, my position has shifted that casino games
might be beaten. 100% can't be beaten to 50%
might be beaten because of the introduction of technology that can only keep growing. The punters weapon is the computer programs in mobile.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 05:39 PM 2017
First of all i am gonna add
NEGATIVE PROGRESSION:
I never see a negative progression holds up. In any form for any system its a time bomb and will bust anytime. If anyone thinks different plz come up with practicle evidence so that it can help.
Aside from steve's usual post about progression, I can explain in detail what progression means to bet sizing BUT that will take a thread specially to do that. PLUS nobody is interested, those who gamble with progression will continue to do so no matter.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 05:57 PM 2017
RNG:
I personally got good exp playing with rng and airball. Casino rng are cheat master. I belive most of u agree.
PIAYING ONLINE:
I personally got zero exp in playing online either live or rng. I wouldnt comment. Some people say that they might cheat and there is scope while others get good exp. mixed reaction.
I'm a total noob with online casino. Not qualified to comment about online gambling EXCEPT to take the side of prudence always.
About rng, a solid method can work with rng just as well with live dealers.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 06:16 PM 2017
TRIGGER
Never find this work longterm. Leave this while designing ur system
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 06:19 PM 2017
DUE
What is due in roulette. ?? Leave that
Opposite of that is to bet from the 1st spin at the table, I can't imagine that.
If you were to look for rain, prof Higgins told us -
"The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain."
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 06:47 PM 2017
OUTSIDE BET:
People tried for years of EC and dozen bet without any significant success. Better working on single number. In every spin one single number appears and u r paying compensation if u place money on other bet types.
It doesn't matter EC, doz, splits........singles, the most important is the
basis why the method can have a chance to work. There's is zero basis for almost ALL methods posted on forums and therein lies the problem.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 07:04 PM 2017
Software or predicting device:
Personally dont believe. Ye there might be a way if u can get the device to the wheel and measuring ball speed and other things but u r risking urself to the casino. Predictor or software used for online doesnt make any sense to me. Best way is use pen and paper.
If the computer measures the wheel and ball variables, there are dicey complications as we all already know. Whether they actually work is another matter. Believe what you will. Just not me.
I have advocated the use of
FX style technical analysis on results. I'm not sure if anybody has done serious work in this direction. It's one of 2 ways that might work - Read my posts to find the 2nd approach.
The barriers are that you must be competent in fx TA trading PLUS you must be competent enough with writing codes both on MT4 and excel for the purpose to convert the MT4 tools to excel. It's not difficult for someone to reproduce what's on MT4 onto excel. The visual will shock you !
IMHO, this is the best method to win at casino gambling. It's the way of the future, mark my words.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 07:10 PM 2017
Rare patern:
Hahaha. I have successfully failed a 10 ec blueprint and bet against or a bit complex matrix. I might be attacked by other member for saying this but it doesnt work. Dont play at home , go to casino and play, when u lose u realize or the money is urs.
Like I said earlier, thanks for the patterns that don't work.
For the rest of the BS, stays BS period. Waste of time.
PLUS this won't change a thing, the BS will continue to be posted abundantly. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Cht
I appreciate that u participate here. Ur experience and knowledge will help others to save lots of years. I have wasted years after things which doesnt work. Once we find out what doesnt work its easy to workout where to focus. In which area to work. People wont listen or argue thats usual. I might not be always right. What i want is to establish a guideline approved by the experienced members or discussion so that the other new people knows where to work straightway rather than wasting years here and there.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 11:41 PM 2017
Cht
I appreciate that u participate here. Ur experience and knowledge will help others to save lots of years. I have wasted years after things which doesnt work. Once we find out what doesnt work its easy to workout where to focus. In which area to work. People wont listen or argue thats usual. I might not be always right. What i want is to establish a guideline approved by the experienced members or discussion so that the other new people knows where to work straightway rather than wasting years here and there.
No mechanical system beats roulette. But a decent system together with iron discipline and solid money management can beat the game long term.
Seek out the book by Brett Morton. Called Playing to Win. Read it and you will then understand. The game can be beaten longterm. But very few have the head to do it. That book changed my life and fortunes with the game of roulette.
Variance can find any pattern. Outlast any bankroll with the house limits and the house edge by its side. But it has a lot of trouble defeating the player. Who can win 4 out of 5 visits to the casino. Who knows when to quit. And knows how to manage their money.
Forums spend an eternity looking for a system that never loses. Theres no such thing. But there are systems that win enough. That make it possible to build strong strong fighting funds. That cannot then be wiped out ever.
That there is. Theres a few of them scattered around this forum. But as Brett Morton said in his great book. The enemy in the casino is always you the player. And your lack of self control. You unwillingness or ability to stick to the plan. And supress the twins of doom GREED AND IMPATIENCE...
Forums spend an eternity looking for a system that never loses. Theres no such thing. But there are systems that win enough.
Forum looking for system that win more than it lose in long term. Not never lose . There is nothing called decent or good system. Either its a grail or its nothing . No one looking for a system which earn $100 then give back $98 and leave the casino with $2 and say its good system.
A grail is such a system where the more u play the more u earn. U can start from next spin any casino anywhere in the world.
A grail can be calculated with per spin earning. After 50 spin earning $1 doesnt worth of the time.
Something needs to be said about the dealers. You want a
dealer imo that will spin consistently the exact same way.
Watch dealer changes-they may spin the rotor too fast or spin
the ball where it makes 15+ revolutions before it decelerates.
Also Bankroll: Most systems are underfunded.
This is a high-roller hobby so if you're betting half-the wheel
or more make sure as Madi said the return is worth your time.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 30, 01:20 AM 2017
A grail can be calculated with per spin earning. After 50 spin earning $1 doesnt worth of the time.
I dont agree. If I told you you would win over 100 times to every time you lost a progression of 31 units. But you might have to wait 100 to 200 spins to get your trigger.
You have a grail of patience. But where is your patience? Casinos beat most people because they have no patience.
Greed and impatience kill all dreams of beating this game longterm for nearly all. The few who have the right qualities quietely take their profits. They go unoticed. But still make some nice money on the down low.
100 to 200 spin as trigger. ‘Trigger’ whats that? Seems something is due after that. Anyway i will leave this trigger things with you.
Simply i can say
My transport cost min $10 for a return trip. 1 minute per spin roulette may take half of my day to earn $10. 100 spin trigger will take full day
Quote from: Madi on Dec 29, 06:19 PM 2017
DUE
What is due in roulette. ?? Leave that
Due, good one. When you start to play theres 37#'s to come (non-hit numbers) theres your starting point. Read law of the third and of course
GUT
And don't let the likes of Mr J and his best mate the general put you off, cough
Why only 37 numbers come?
Red black to come
Even odd to come
Dozons to come
Etc etc
Actually not 37 number to come. Some will sleep at home
Quote from: sentinel3 on Dec 30, 02:07 AM 2017
I dont agree. If I told you you would win over 100 times to every time you lost a progression of 31 units. But you might have to wait 100 to 200 spins to get your trigger.
You have a grail of patience. But where is your patience? Casinos beat most people because they have no patience.
Greed and impatience kill all dreams of beating this game longterm for nearly all. The few who have the right qualities quietely take their profits. They go unoticed. But still make some nice money on the down low.
I agree with madi about the important points of what's a grail = net winning method ++ plus net win that's worth our time.
HOLY GRAIL = VIABLE WINNING METHOD
(not never lose method)
I disagree that there is any method on any forum that qualifies under the winning criteria described above PLUS the risk exposure can be quantified that's proven from historical evidence that the max drawdown RFH is within tolerable limits.
Prove me wrong.
If sentinel's brief description about his method he refers to fulfils the above conditions then yes he has a winning method.
I disagree that greed and and patience is a factor to determine the outcome of the method. The method wins or lose irrespective of the gamblers attitude or psychology.
Neither does money management change the expectancy of the method. Strangely there are many who claim otherwise.
I believe that gamblers are very very patient people who can go without food or sleep to continue to gamble in the hope to make money. What these gamblers lack is a winning method.
If given a viable winning method, ANY gambler in a casino can EASILY be religiously disciplined to stick to the requirements of the rules of the method to rake in the chips.
People will offer a lot for a viable winning method aka holy grail, even to the extent of steal and kill. And we expect to find it posted on forums ?
Quote from: Madi on Dec 30, 02:45 AM 2017Why only 37 numbers come?
But the starting 37 will all hit over X spins, the Xspins is the part to be learnt, you use to talk of GUT which is all about the starting 37 un-hit numbers.
If you look at Andre he's now looking at the last 12 unique of the starting 37 numbers, i've post 697 airball games, whether he'd make money off those 697 games with his now 6 step prog, who knows.
Red & black is different to the starting 37 single un-hit numbers, but i guess i'll leave it a lone now
In the context of what I've written above, the word viable means this to me -
1. Initial bankroll is $10,000,
2. Not less than 100% return on entire bankroll within a month or better,
3. Drawdown less than 33%,
4. Risk of ruin is remote,
5. Not more than 8hours of gameplay per day for 5days a week with rest time in between.
After decades of betting, I won't bet a dime if I have none of the above.
The ‘due’ means due in next spin not in 1000 spin. Yes i also agree with u in next 1000 spin 37 number will appear.and i got very good knowledge about gut. This x spin is just from ur head not from gut. U can finish a game of 60 spin using gut while this very normal u wont see 2 or 3 not showing up. The x spin could be infinity . Invalid debet.
"You guys want to argue? Try to beat Roulette or any 50/50 table game with the concepts of a day trader in the stock market. Do you know how many times a day that Roulette goes up and down between mini swings? You can watch swings that are just a few steps from neutral, either side of even, all day long, and every day. You really need to know how to not get killed by the first bullet in a war. Time to get very real." ...... gizmotron2
link:s://:.GF/threads/harvester.9162/#post-43927
Spot on gizmo. That's one quality gold nugget :thumbsup:
"It's not the group that matters that you wait for. Any group will do. It's the activity of that group that makes an opportunity. So why not have many groups to wait on? In fact, why not be smart enough to see the active group that is working. Train your mind to see many groups, or write an AI program to detects the active group. It's only a flat earth if you are a retard."......gizmotron2
link:s://:.GF/threads/more-theater-of-the-absurd.9177/#post-43924
This guy knows his stuff. :smile:
Hey gizmo, 1 spin 6 groups. Is that enough ? I'm overwhelmed :xd:
Quote from: Madi on Dec 30, 02:36 AM 2017
100 to 200 spin as trigger. ‘Trigger’ whats that? Seems something is due after that. Anyway i will leave this trigger things with you.
Simply i can say
My transport cost min $10 for a return trip. 1 minute per spin roulette may take half of my day to earn $10. 100 spin trigger will take full day
Im using that as an example. Sure it wont work in a walk in casino
But itll work all day online. My question to you madi. Is how long would a system like say pattern breaker have to hold up on a real live casino. Before you would be convinced. It can make money longterm using a limited three step prog?
One year? Two years how long. Before you realize its a winner for as long as someone has the discipline to run it properly. When do I give you my password and username to one of my 8 online accounts. So you can see for yourself. How much money went in. And how much money PB made.
You just let me know. And when the time comes. You will get the details. And see for yourself that roulette can be beaten all year long every year. If its being played by the right mind with the right system. Ive only been playing PB for a few months. But already I can see this simple system is a winner. And starting low stakes ive already doubled my bank. Just tell me what you need to see before you are convinced. If its a year from now. Or however long. If its the bank increased 10 times or 50 times.
To a point you know its never going negative ever. Not when a system that needs 7 wins to every loss. Can win the first bet of the day over 30 times. Several times in just a 100 days.
We are talking reality here. Do you want to see that. Or keep summizing is it or isnt it possible?? Lets get real here.
When i read the Ching a Ling topic and can see how he made 30K and had only one total loss with all levels and end up with 28K
Then i know if i copy this method into my own play i can also make 30K as you can see and understand the method is solid.
Win several times and make two year of income. that is no joke, that is the real thing.
Same with Pattern Breaker - when you read someone winning over 400 sessions and only lose 30 sessions - then it has to be something real and you only need to copy what he explain how things is done and you should get same results. That is also the real thing for me.
The point is when i read about members who win and not losing i read and save does topics into PDF document and do some testing by my own and after that decide to play with real money or not - i don't worry about other things like house edge and negativ expectation. I have wagering so much money to know it does not effect me in the short run and i live once and will not place billion of chips and see how the house edge eat up my profits, during that time i am dead.
Cheers
There's no problem with some people declaring they win $30K or more betting with systems or methods from the forum. I'm always on the side of the punters that I wish more fellow punters take home more $$$Ks from the casino and I love to read such success stories. :thumbsup:
What's important is to make a note that the method or system is positive or negative expectancy when played in the long run. Call a spade a spade, that's all.
And yes continue to win big playing your way. Tell us all about it.
Quote from: ego on Jan 01, 10:22 AM 2018
When i read the Ching a Ling topic and can see how he made 30K and had only one total loss with all levels and end up with 28K
Then i know if i copy this method into my own play i can also make 30K as you can see and understand the method is solid.
Win several times and make two year of income. that is no joke, that is the real thing.
Same with Pattern Breaker - when you read someone winning over 400 sessions and only lose 30 sessions - then it has to be something real and you only need to copy what he explain how things is done and you should get same results. That is also the real thing for me.
The point is when i read about members who win and not losing i read and save does topics into PDF document and do some testing by my own and after that decide to play with real money or not - i don't worry about other things like house edge and negativ expectation. I have wagering so much money to know it does not effect me in the short run and i live once and will not place billion of chips and see how the house edge eat up my profits, during that time i am dead.
Cheers
This is what I feel. When someone says you cannot win in the long run. What is long run? As you say we will be dust before we will ever lose our money. If you put any system in a computer it fails over however many spins But a computer is not reality.
It has no connection to a live roulette wheel. It knows not when to quit. When to raise. When to lower money management.
It in no way represents what will be in the real world. Thats why you can only go on the experience of real world testing and results. They give you the reality of what works and what doesnt.
Lets say by end of 2018. Im still winning at a similar rate with PB.
My bank has grown over 15 or 20 times. Im not taking any crazy risk with any game.
Who can say I wont be winning ten or 20 or more years from now. When I start with just 20 euro. And now have 300 or 500. And still I win 12 or more times to every loss. When 7 wins breaks me even.
Some people dont want to see this. They want to keep believing no one wins without using some cheating device.
Nobody can argue with a system if it 20 folds its bank and holds its winning ratio. I will believe nothing but what this system is showing me.
Surely u can win 20 yrs one spin a day which is not even 1000 spin in 20 yrs. and u forget to mention ur internet bill which is couple of times higher than 500. What i understand is a 3 step against bet. Matching with last 7 pattern has nothing to do the with the 8th. A good advice is play 1000, 2000, 4000 just one spin a day will be worth after a yr.
Sorry missed a 0 with thousand
Why ur first game of the day is superior? Any reason behind that?
Why it is not recommended to play as much as u want in a day? Any specific reason behind that?
Ps : i played and tested this yrs b4
I will give a super great advice - spend less time to argue as you will feel less mental pressure.
Allow they have there own agenda and opinion - no need to prove or claim the other way around.
This would only take strength from you that is a waste of time as the one you talking to has made up hes mind about the subject no matter what you say or do.
Better to play or learn and study known methods that are known to win and put your mental strength into that agenda.
I spend more then 10 years on gambling forums and waste alot of time and effort ending up with nothing good.
To break that cycle i just stop and ignore does who not have the same agenda as me.
Cheers
Quote from: Madi on Jan 01, 01:43 PM 2018
Why ur first game of the day is superior? Any reason behind that?
I cant tell you that. I only watch those long streaks develope. The less exposure to variance the better. Thats how winning is done.
Yes the value will surely rise with the profits. If I reach a point where I can make 50 euro from one game a day. I Will be playing just one game a day. At that level. Then drop to 10 euro for two more games to add some bonus.
Quote from: ego on Jan 01, 01:55 PM 2018
I will give a super great advice - spend less time to argue as you will feel less mental pressure.
Allow they have there own agenda and opinion - no need to prove or claim the other way around.
This would only take strength from you that is a waste of time as the one you talking to has made up hes mind about the subject no matter what you say or do.
Better to play or learn and study known methods that are known to win and put your mental strength into that agenda.
I spend more then 10 years on gambling forums and waste alot of time and effort ending up with nothing good.
To break that cycle i just stop and ignore does who not have the same agenda as me.
Cheers
Good advice ego. I argue no more. Results speak and will continue my journey.
"Personally, I think there should be a forum where it's members only - invite only..
and it's not open to everyone. Not that I'm against sharing - but when there are 100 topics
posted in those forums and 85 deal with that kind of nonsense, 10 more are off-topic and
the 5 threads that people could actually learn from are buried in that mess.
I'm all for a private forum where competent people can talk about their ideas and not
have to deal with the nonsense like above.
If there's a place where serious players and those with minds in their heads that use them
could join for conversation and ideas - Amen to that... I don't see it happening
unless I start a forum lol.......TurboGenius
link:s://:.GF/threads/more-silliness-from-rouletteghost-company.7035/page-20#post-43895
As a veteran member of multiple forums this comment sums up the nonsensity propagated on forums, including denial of negative expectancy. How low can this delusion go ? Amen to the last para.
Need different forum
1. Forum for broken wheel lover
2. Forum for online lover
3. Pattern lover
4. Trigger lover
5. Hit and run lover
6. Hot number lover
7. Cold number love
8. Computer and device lover
Hehe
9. Once a day lover
10. First bet lover
11. Negative expectancy no apply lover
12. Money management cure losses lover
13. Monk discipline lover
14. Itlr I'll be dead by then lover
I think we miss something, read 9 & 10 again, no wonder sentinel is so sure to win. :twisted:
15. Non-random lover
16. Guess the grail lover
17. Boot-lick diciples lover
18. Dealer is a blonde bet red lover
19. Who cares I can afford to lose cents lover
Hey madi, jokes aside.
I posted gizmo's post from gamblingforum.
Gizmo has been talking about this stuff for years on various forums. He is on the right path.
If you are seriously looking for mechanical winning method with real positive edge itlr that beat HE enough to give you a handsome profit, it's fx TA approach to casino games. You need a mobile computer to crunch the spin results though, can't do it with pen & paper. Go through my post if you're interested to get some details and google/youtube to get help with coding stuff.
You're wasting time, money and your life with all the bs methods on forums that's proven to have negative expectancy. Broken wheel method, don't know about you but I doubt it can be done as claim.
Good luck buddy and just have fun with hobbyist forummers here. TC.
Sorry. Not risking myself to take a device to the wheel.
Some advice about Gizmo....don't believe it! He had a school to teach it. I was in there. Result: he had nothing and it didnt work. In fact i improved his method. So the school was a dead end. We kept mailing more after that with a few others.....result: the truth came out and he didnt even got money to play. (And this after years of being so cald proffesional).
That being said: cht keep your eye on the ball and Wheel as you said months ago. :thumbsup:
Hi denzi
How your play going. ??
Quote from: denzie on Jan 04, 02:53 PM 2018
Some advice about Gizmo....don't believe it! He had a school to teach it. I was in there. Result: he had nothing and it didnt work. In fact i improved his method. So the school was a dead end. We kept mailing more after that with a few others.....result: the truth came out and he didnt even got money to play. (And this after years of being so cald proffesional).
That being said: cht keep your eye on the ball and Wheel as you said months ago. :thumbsup:
I read about gizmo story about how he loss another members money and he's giving himself one last fling. Surprise to know you joined his school.
My eye is still on the wheel & ball, in fact I posted that all over the forum, strangely nobody caught on. People don't want to win money or what :question:
Quote from: Madi on Jan 04, 02:59 PM 2018
Hi denzi
How your play going. ??
So far, so good. Although was travelling a lot lately. But im back at it.
Quote from: cht on Jan 04, 03:04 PM 2018
My eye is still on the wheel & ball, in fact I posted that all over the forum, strangely nobody caught on. People don't want to win money or what :question:
They want but not on your way. They will listen one day. (Or give up or keep dreaming those systems work)
This is what i posted in another forum :
Until now all of us looking for HG or something like that. ME TOO.
Until today i realize that my playing method about 10months ago is the best way (turn 1,240u into 20.000++unit REAL MONEY in 3weeks).
Now i'm back to play it again with different style but same approach.
If we think that roulette is not random, it because we write the result and see the correlation, pattern, etc.. I DO THIS.
Then we try to find a system that can beat roulette. Try to beat the probability, try to beat the bias, follow bias, etc... But the wheel continue produce random numbers and we fail.. I DO THIS TOO.
My betting method is MARTINGALE. YES MARTINGALE, cause i only need 1win. The fact is, 10months ago i turn 1240 to 20,000++ with this.
Why i stop ? I suffer a loss. YES I LOSS. Luck for me that i already withdraw the 20,000 before i loss.
Why i didn't continue ? It take time to bet, not continous bet. I WANT SOMETHING FAST, SOMETHING THAT PAY 35:1. But it all lost, looking for hot numbers, hot sector, hot zone, hot etc...
So, my method is "I'm the boss, i'm the future". If i loss it because of me, not the system.
Today i made 396unit profit with 150unit starting bankroll.
all i read lately is the same stuff from years back, Waiting the trigger and stuff it with a good old fashion progression....
Here ya goooo...
Track 30 spins. If you dont have a 3x then start betting the 2x till spin 37 with 1-1-1-1-1-1-1.....lose? Wait next trigger and use a more agressif progression. Lose? Wow...what are the odds...repeat And go harder..... wanna bet you win ?
There ya go....waiting , trigger , progression,.... :thumbsup:
Code that ;)
Hi Denzie,
hope you had a nice vacation. have you managed to get good at prediction? is this the way you are playing or are you still on TG method?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 04, 03:33 PM 2018
They want but not on your way. They will listen one day. (Or give up or keep dreaming those systems work)
I'm hugely surprise that members on here ignore math, many get basic probability wrong they don't even know it. They are so stuck in their beliefs that they lose the capability to logical and rational thinking.
I don't agree they will listen one day, their beliefs are too ingrained to the extent that they are willing to lose playing their beliefs rather than change their staunch gamblers mindset that trap them in a distorted world to lose all sense of reality.
I have also just learnt that members on here are lazy freeloaders.
To all who are like this - you just missed the best winnable methods posted on forums that you are searching for so long. You missed it big time even when it's handed over on a silver platter because of your ignorance, mindset and attitude.
Dont worry. He knows what actually work and thats why he can say what doesnt work without testing.
I'll tell you what doesn't work. Discounting anyone's ideas.
Everyone has something to contribute.
Sure a lot of what's presented here is rehash-but you
never know that 'Golden Nugget' hidden in plain sight.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 05, 12:19 AM 2018
I'll tell you what doesn't work. Discounting anyone's ideas.
Everyone has something to contribute.
Sure a lot of what's presented here is rehash-but you
never know that 'Golden Nugget' hidden in plain sight.
I agree Proofreader. Never discount ideas even from the dumb. That's the purpose to be on this forum.
But, if you do not remove the dross it remains just rust.
If you take the dross and the rust and shape it the
right way it becomes a masterpiece sold for millions...
No dumb ideas, just flow with it.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 05, 12:32 AM 2018
If you take the dross and the rust and shape it the
right way it becomes a masterpiece sold for millions...
No dumb ideas, just flow with it.
I believe we are in agreement of the mind.
In my brief 7month membership, I have found 2 masterpiece from this forum, the latest is the recent idea from Andre. The other is from Denzie. I thank both of them for generously sharing their ideas with strangers on the web. I'm not surprise that there are more if anyone cares to do the work honestly and carefully.
Guys,
12 unique then a 8 step marti?
You guys want to test this?
You guys saying is it a good or bad idea??
Improvement can be done where there is scope. Variation is not improvent. Selection is improvement.
Its a clear failure as denzie said. I agree totally. Let him play. He ll move on time like his previous rare patten sector.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 05, 03:12 AM 2018
12 unique then a 8 step marti?
12 unique then a 8 step marti is a
LOSER.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 05, 03:12 AM 2018
Improvement can be done where there is scope. Variation is not improvent. Selection is improvement.
Improvement is based on selection. This can only be proven by empirical evidence. For now, my small probe test shows positive expectancy. A full scale large sample test can validate or invalidate my observation. I await RouletteBeater or anyone competent with RX coding to provide the test results I requested to come to a proper conclusion.
At this stage everything else is pure speculation.
I'm not going to judge Andre.
I'm also in the 'system business'.
Personally I don't think 8 steps is long
enough. 12 steps is my preference atm.
Right now imo the Grail may
be an Even Chance bet selection.
It would be wonderful if the system did
not require a Marti, but not opposed to one.
No. I m not against any person. I am against the system designed and claimed by him as it wins more than lose which he is calling a fact.
Cht
Get a new thread with ur one which is inspired by andre. Lets see and discuss
Quote from: Madi on Jan 05, 03:50 AM 2018Get a new thread with ur one which is inspired by andre. Lets see and discuss
Only if we can find a competent coder to make the test as I requested on post #196, my probe test observation is pure speculation, nothing more to it as in another silly wild goose chase wasting everybodys time.
I could be completely wrong being misguided by the small sample.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 05, 03:50 AM 2018
No. I m not against any person. I am against the system designed and claimed by him as it wins more than lose which he is calling a fact.
Cht
Get a new thread with ur one which is inspired by andre. Lets see and discuss
Oh, a new thread! :thumbsup:
Madi, I respect you but keep away from me, please.
I know you don't like me, so I don't have nothing to talk to you. All you do is talking shit about me.
Quote from: cht on Jan 05, 04:19 AM 2018
Only if we can find a competent coder to make the test as I requested on post #196, my probe test observation is pure speculation, nothing more to it as in another silly wild goose chase wasting everybodys time.
I could be completely wrong being misguided by the small sample.
Hey CHT, That's it you want to do? A new thread with madi?
Ok. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jan 05, 12:47 AM 2018
In my brief 7month membership, I have found 2 masterpiece from this forum, the latest is the recent idea from Andre. The other is from Denzie. I thank both of them for generously sharing their ideas with strangers.
Thanks for sharing?
And now you're open your new thread with Madi?
Give me break
Madi, may you please remind us of your contributions in this forums ?
Have you ever came with any worthy idea during your memberships lifetime in this forum ?
Please be constructive, Kind and if you got used to object everything then you should think of that again !
:yawn:
Quote from: Madi on Jan 05, 03:12 AM 2018
Let him play. He ll move on time like his previous rare patten sector.
You read my mind :lol:
RPRO75
Guest
May 15, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
This is a simple system based on repeating numbers. It is a progressive system so it may not be for everyone. The only way you can lose with this system is if one of the first 8 numbers does not repeat in 24 spins. Now, you may not always be able to bet, but when you can, I think you have a great chance of winning this bet.
System Rules
1. You must track 8 spins. In order to be able to use these spins for this system, there must be no repeaters in those 8 spins. (In other words, 8 unique numbers).
2. You then wait for 4 more spins, again, none of these can be repeaters. You must now have a total of 12 spins with no repeaters.
3. You will now bet the first 8 numbers you tracked with this 12 step progression: 1,1,1,1,2,2,3,5,5,7,9,12.
So far, and I know it's early, I have been having good results. It takes patience, because it is not always easy to get 12 numbers with no repeater. If you are tracking and you encounter a repeater, stop. Begin again and the next spin will be your first spin to track. Basically, you need a string of 12 unique numbers to bet. You will only lose if 24 unique numbers spin up in a row. If you lose the progression, you will lose 389 units (ouch!). Therefore, I recommend playing with no larger than $.25 units. A bankroll of 800 units ($200.00) is recommended. It will be a larger or smaller amount of money depending on which size unit you choose.
Please read the thread.
I wait for 12 uniques and bet them.
Step 1: bet 12 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 2: bet 13 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 3: bet 14 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
Step 4: bet 15 uniques. If no hit add the last number shown.
And so on...
I'm testing it playing real money. I know a table that allows 30 cents minimum bets.
I'm using a progression of 8 steps 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14.
And this is the copied one for comparing
RPRO75
Guest
May 16, 2009, 02:02:30 AM
Here is a really great way to play this:
1. Track spins until you get 12 unique numbers. If a number repeats, just count it once, you are looking for 12 different numbers.
2. After you get your 12 numbers, bet them for four spins only using this progression: 1,1,2,3.
This is just another variation to play repeats but this one seems a little safer (the other was safe too, but this is better).
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ANDRE CHASS
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Track spins until you get 12 unique numbers. If a number repeats, just count it once, you are looking for 12 different numbers.
After you get your 12 numbers, bet them for four spins only using this progression: 1,1,2,3.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 05, 09:34 AM 2018
Hey CHT, That's it you want to do? A new thread with madi?
Ok. :thumbsup:
Andre, the only reason for me to open a new thread is to share and discuss a method that is far different from your 12 unique bet 8 steps martingale method.
It deserves a new thread because -
1. The betselection is different from your bet 8 steps after 12 unique,
2. The bet sizing is different from your 8 steps martingale.
Madi ask a question I answered him. Up to that point I have zero thought to open a new thread. I still don't have any intention to open a new thread at this point in time.
And yes your initial idea to bet 8 continuous times with your betsizing and your call for help led me to explore this topic more in-depth where I stumbled upon this opportunity. I have repeatedly acknowledged this fact in my posts made on your thread.
I do not consider ideas that spawn off an initial idea as a steal. And no I do not agree
that I have to require formal permission from you to open a new thread about this although out of courtesy I will inform you about it with the reasons to do so.
However, I think such threads should acknowledge the source where possible.
I respond to your post to share my views about threads that spawn from an initial thread idea. You can be rest assured this supposed new thread by me will not happen.
Another point I wish to address is about your call for help to contribute towards your idea.
I only make post based on facts and reality. I call a spade a spade and when I do that I provide as much evidence to back up why I say that. You reserve that right to disagree.
I do that because by my participation in the on-going discussion I feel responsible not to propagate misleading false info or claims on forums. I will not be a party to that.
For you Andre as OP, you have every right to tell any poster not to discuss any matter that you are not comfortable with on your thread including disallowing certain poster from participation on your thread. You just has to express that in clear language.
Good news that its bavk
What works ?
These methods work itlr, the more you play the more you win. There's no superstitious start or end time or any nonsense like that.
1. Denzie's eyes on wheel and ball,
2. TG's hotties, and
3. Fx TA
cht
PS. I'm done with testing.
PPS. Thanks steve for a forum that benefits me. TQ.
At last. Best of luck . I believe it saves ur years of time.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 11, 04:27 AM 2018
At last. Best of luck . I believe it saves ur years of time.
Thanks madi.
Follow my trail, it'll save you time as well.
Best wishes to you that you find what you are looking for. TC.