How much money can we make per day or week without being detected?
An online casino has eight tables. If we get detected on one of the tables can we be banned from the casino?
Can we be banned if they realize that we are using a strategy?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 31, 10:49 PM 2018
How much money can we make per day or week without being detected?
An online casino has eight tables. If we get detected on one of the tables can we be banned from the casino?
Can we be banned if they realize that we are using a strategy?
Its not about STRATEGY. Its about taking their MONEY. If I guess my way to 20k. Do you think they will care how I did it?
No all they care about is ive done them for 20k. If on the other hand I use a strategy and win just 200 euro from them a year. Theyll probably let me play forever. So its not the strategy. Only the financial damage you do to them that will have you on high alert...
From my experience it depends on how large the casino company is.
If it is a smaller outfit $50/day. (Company owns one, two online casinos)
If it is a larger outfit (well known company, owns three or more OC's
$100/150-day
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 01, 12:19 AM 2018
From my experience it depends on how large the casino company is.
If it is a smaller outfit $50/day. (Company owns one, two online casinos)
If it is a larger outfit (well known company, owns three or more OC's
$100/150-day
Not really Proof. How big are William Hill? And they will get jittery if you take then for 50 a day.
As an American I only have access to a few oc's and have
been banned for winning too much at at least two places.
In general it is wise to be skeptical where
you deposit bc you may be denied winnings.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 01, 12:40 AM 2018
As an American I only have access to a few oc's and have
been banned for winning too much at at least two places.
In general it is wise to be skeptical where
you deposit bc you may be denied winnings.
What I do proof is never have more than 300 euro in any of my 10 accounts. And every time I make 50 I withdraw it. So should they get funny with me. I will usually have withdrawn alot more than the 300 sitting in there. For example. One of my accounts is ladbrokes. Over the last 2 years I have withdrawn over a grand. While 300 sits there. Thats the way to play it.
And how about DublinBet, for example
Ive seen a documentary about this. They track each player. (Well there computer does) . They put them in different classes. The big winners are called sharks. These give a signal when they play and get observed closely. If they win to much....they kick you out. (They can..just read the small letters in the "i agree" segment )
But we dont talk about a few k here...before you are a shark youve won a lot already.
Dont forget many online casino's work together. Just look how many sites use the same dealers and Wheel (malta)
Quote from: denzie on Feb 01, 01:39 AM 2018
Ive seen a documentary about this. They track each player. (Well there computer does) . They put them in different classes. The big winners are called sharks. These give a signal when they play and get observed closely. If they win to much....they kick you out. (They can..just read the small letters in the "i agree" segment )
But we dont talk about a few k here...before you are a shark youve won a lot already.
Dont forget many online casino's work together. Just look how many sites use the same dealers and Wheel (malta)
How much money earned a day they consider a shark player?
I play two sites and those sites some tables with the same dealers
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 01, 01:50 AM 2018
How much money earned a day they consider a shark player?
I play two sites and those sites some tables with the same dealers
They didn't say that. But they did show how they was watching this one guy. At the moment he made over 10k for that day. If you keep raising your chipsize they wait....coz they hoping you lose and give it all back.
(This happend almost everytime...you win day after day....you bet bigger and bigger as time goes...then at some point you lose it all. )
Best thing imo to do is....use a smart mm. Increase chips as you win sessions. Then go back to your starting units and do it all over again and again. If you start losing as MOSTS will do you always end up with profits. Pattern breaker is a good example for this. It can win years but it will lose eventually. And Yup....you play the big chips by then...
Multiple accounts is a good way too.
I reside in Australia, so it's basically in the too hard basket and the why even bother basket for me to play online. Besides, we have perfectly good B&M casinos scattered around the country. Even so I can't wait for Barangaroo to open.. Jamie if you see this, I'm expecting a formal invitation to your opening night!
On topic, in Australian B&M casinos you can win a great deal of money, well beyond that of the average wage earner without ever having to worry about detection. Just don't use the club card when you are betting for keeps.
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 01, 03:15 AM 2018Just don't use the club card when you are betting for keeps.
Even then there are ways around it.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 01, 02:00 AM 2018
They didn't say that. But they did show how they was watching this one guy. At the moment he made over 10k for that day. If you keep raising your chipsize they wait....coz they hoping you lose and give it all back.
(This happend almost everytime...you win day after day....you bet bigger and bigger as time goes...then at some point you lose it all. )
Best thing imo to do is....use a smart mm. Increase chips as you win sessions. Then go back to your starting units and do it all over again and again. If you start losing as MOSTS will do you always end up with profits. Pattern breaker is a good example for this. It can win years but it will lose eventually. And Yup....you play the big chips by then...
Multiple accounts is a good way too.
Pattern breaker is never losing the way I play it Denzie. The secret like I said is to have at least 10 accounts. You know with a system as powerful as pattern breaker. And another system I use. You are going to be eventually shown the door.
Because winning is a gaurantee with what I do. So you have to be smart and not expose too much of your bankroll to any one site.
By the time they stop me. I will have taken several times the amount 300 euro. They steal from me.
You see the stupid gamblers. Will keep all their winnings in their account. Until they have several thousand. I knew one guy who built his account up to 8k. Then got banned and they held his money.
If he had been smart he would have made regular SMALL withdrawals. That over time add up to thousands. And just kept 3 or 4 hundred in there.
So when the loser owners of the casinos. Said that guys winning too much stop him. The sting would have be minimal. But as they say common sense. Aint that common.
So people will win thousands over a long period let it build in the account and then try and make one big withdrawal. And the loser casino owners will say nope we aint letting you have that money son.
You are SUPPOSED TO LOSE AT ROULETTE. So we will just steal your winnings and kick you out because you beat the unbeatable game.
Use your head people...
sfos
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 01, 03:15 AM 2018Jamie if you see this, I'm expecting a formal invitation to your opening night!
Hey mate, I'm coming with Russell anyway so no for an invitation. :thumbsup:
Yesterday I deposited 300 into my account at a prestigious casino, I turned them into 400 in less than 40 minutes.
At the end of the day I got an email from casino saying I am too good and they wanted to give me a bonus!
What a trick !!? They just want to give me a bonus to complicate my future withdrawals !!! You got it ???
Fact is casino eyes are very open these days
I've won A LOT of money sports betting over the years before I ventured into the gaming casino. All from the same casino. Never had a problem with withdrawals as long as I was within their withdrawal limits which at $150000 per week is generous. They don't sit there and watch you per se, they do monitor your account balance and bump up your betting limits as your account grows. They do limit your account once you pass a threshold, and each casino has a different amount for different bets. If you win consistently at sports in the one I am in, they limit you to maximum $30000 to win per bet. On roulette, I've only been limited to table amounts, which are generous at $100000 for the $100 table.
Quote from: Nimo on Feb 01, 07:28 AM 2018
I've won A LOT of money sports betting over the years before I ventured into the gaming casino. All from the same casino. Never had a problem with withdrawals as long as I was within their withdrawal limits which at $150000 per week is generous. They don't sit there and watch you per se, they do monitor your account balance and bump up your betting limits as your account grows. They do limit your account once you pass a threshold, and each casino has a different amount for different bets. If you win consistently at sports in the one I am in, they limit you to maximum $30000 to win per bet. On roulette, I've only been limited to table amounts, which are generous at $100000 for the $100 table.
Are you serious? I need the name of this online site please...
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 01, 12:40 AM 2018
As an American I only have access to a few oc's and have
been banned for winning too much at at least two places.
In general it is wise to be skeptical where
you deposit bc you may be denied winnings.
What do you call too much proof?
I always say if I can get two or three grand from an online casino before they stop me ive done alright. I have ten accounts and 5 more as back up. If I take 50 to 100 euro off each one per week. I should be okay for a while.
Until they realize I am taking thousands off them on the down low.
What do you call too much proof?-Sentinel3
In theory if you win any
amount it should be cashable, oc or b&m.
I'm glad you are winning Sentinel3.
I am winning also, but more sporadically.
Why don't you guys play in b&m casino?
$100k for EC bet.
Tell us what's your reason. :question:
Quote from: cht on Feb 01, 03:41 PM 2018
Why don't you guys play in b&m casino?
$100k for EC bet.
Tell us what's your reason. :question:
I dont like people CHT. Thats my reason. You go to real casino
You have to mingle with people,
And wait AGES between spins thats the next thing. Online they spin the ball twice a minute.
But once all my 10 online accounts eventually bann me. The second phase of my roulette conquering will include two trips to real casinos a week.
So its in my future CHT. Its just a matter of how much I can take from my 10 online accounts before they know ive beaten the unbeatable game.
And their money will be mine for as long as I play there.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 31, 10:49 PM 2018How much money can we make per day or week without being detected?
It varies considerably because there are so many variables. If you mean in the same casino, which is quiet, and has small limits, then if you are winning $500 per day for perhaps 3 days straight, you'll probably get noticed. And depending on your style of play, they may look into you further. At larger casinos with larger table limits, and proper organization including switching between casinos, you can do much more. $500 once every week in busy periods is unlikely to get noticed.
But you need to stop looking at income in terms of days. Playing roulette professionally is not a daytime job, unless you are constantly travelling (or managing teams, sitting at home watching live video feed streamed by your players from the casino). Winnings are patchy. Instead of $1000 every day, you get more like $5000 one day then don't play for a week, $10,000 another day, then change the casino. Play a few days later, and maybe lose $100 because the conditions were poor like some moron slowing down spins to a crawl. The income is not something like where you say you're going to earn $X each day.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 31, 10:49 PM 2018An online casino has eight tables. If we get detected on one of the tables can we be banned from the casino?
With online casinos, the detection occurs when you attempt withdrawals. Doesnt matter how many wheels there are (think in terms of wheels, not tables).
Yes you can easily get banned from online casinos. It happens often even if the casino suspect you might have a winning approach, even if it appears to use typical losing approaches. They just don't like winners. Online casinos are especially sensitive to them.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 31, 10:49 PM 2018Can we be banned if they realize that we are using a strategy?
Everyone has a strategy, but some online casinos have terms forbidding them. Literally.
If you are looking to make serious money, forget online casinos unless you are highly organized with a lot of different accounts, each with verified ID. Unless you have the HG in which case just milk the casino constantly until you get banned, then start a new account with a different name (you can pay others commission for using their account). If you have the HG, there's not much casinos can do to stop you. There would be very little work to start play, so it's not like AP where you actually need to work. So it would be much easier to flip between accounts and continue - and its not like they can change the conditions on you to make you lose.
My advice is if you have the HG, then just play and win, take money out until they stop you. Then just create a new account and repeat. If you really have the HG, they will be forced to eventually take more drastic measures. Then the owner will look at your spins and why you keep winning, copy your system and use it themselves instead of running a casino.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 06:14 PM 2018
Then the owner will look at your spins and why you keep winning, copy your system and use it themselves instead of running a casino.
Well said and we can copy as well
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 06:14 PM 2018Then the owner will look at your spins and why you keep winning, copy your system and use it themselves instead of running a casino.
You are a funny man. You made me laugh. That’s a good thing.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 06:14 PM 2018
Then the owner will look at your spins and why you keep winning, copy your system and use it themselves instead of running a casino.
A good joke... Lol
Thanks for your help! But as I've said before unfortunately I dont have a strategy thats a money-making machine.
What's really funny is I wasn't joking.
Quote from: cht on Feb 01, 03:41 PM 2018
Why don't you guys play in b&m casino?
$100k for EC bet.
Tell us what's your reason. :question:
OC's compete with each other trying to win bettors' business.
As inducement they will offer 'Free Chips bonuses'.
Most of them are not deals (but some are) with minimum deposits.
Eventually the comps add up and
you're playing with casino money only :)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 01, 08:08 PM 2018
A good joke... Lol
Thanks for your help! But as I've said before unfortunately I dont have a strategy thats a money-making machine.
Say what?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19861.msg188595#msg188595
Reply # 308 in the above thread -- you already said you have an HG:
"For the first time I'm saying that I got my "Holy Grail". And I can tell it's really impressive!"
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 08:19 PM 2018
What's really funny is I wasn't joking.
How would that be possible Steve. On most days I play and win on a given site with ONE SPIN.
Well its not really possible to reverse engineer if your system was the HG and you won with just ONE spin. But then I would question how you could possible know it was the HG from such short-term testing.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 01, 10:16 PM 2018
Say what?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19861.msg188595#msg188595
Reply # 308 in the above thread -- you already said you have an HG: "For the first time I'm saying that I got my "Holy Grail". And I can tell it's really impressive!"
"I'll say it again. There's no winner strategy without hard work.
You have to think before you play. You have to analyze the numbers and take the right decisions. You have to be fast and calm at the same time. You have to know when to bet with the right conditions and avoid when it's not favorable, etc
And eventually you will lose a few sessions. As everyone already knows, HG is not one that always wins, but its one that wins more than it loses."
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 02, 12:40 AM 2018
I'll say it again. There's no winner strategy without hard work.
You have to think before you play. You have to analyze the numbers and take the right decisions. You have to be fast and calm at the same time. You have to know when to bet with the right conditions and avoid when it's not favorable, etc
And eventually you will lose a few sessions. As everyone already knows, HG is not one that always wins, but its one that wins more than it loses.
Right agree with that 100% At the end of the day. What we need is to untlimatelly make money overall. It only matters that your system wins more than it loses.
The biggest mistake is people thinking they can create a realistically playable and affordable system. That NEVER loses. You cannot. Variance can freak any realistic pattern and destroy any realistic progression. The only question is, can it do it often enough to put you in negative numbers or not. IF IT CANNOT. You have the game beaten. Its as simple as that.
Roulette is a PERCENTAGE GAME. Nothing more nothing less. And if im winning more units than im losing over the longterm. Im a winner. And thats all that matters.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 02, 12:40 AM 2018
"I'll say it again. There's no winner strategy without hard work.
You have to think before you play. You have to analyze the numbers and take the right decisions. You have to be fast and calm at the same time. You have to know when to bet with the right conditions and avoid when it's not favorable, etc
And eventually you will lose a few sessions. As everyone already knows, HG is not one that always wins, but its one that wins more than it loses."
Then apply it before writing that you have hg? :twisted:
Quote from: blueman on Feb 02, 01:15 AM 2018
Then apply it before writing that you have hg? :twisted:
For the God sake
Read it again!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 02, 02:00 AM 2018
For the God sake
Oh, for God's sake, please leave God out of all things roulette-related !
Roulette is, after all, the devil's game -- the numbers on the wheel add up to what number again ?
>:D >:D
Some guys really have hg but they wont tell us, bastards. :sad2:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 02, 02:00 AM 2018
For the God sake
Read it again!
Then why are you keeping the secret so far? We're all out of power!? :thumbsup:
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Feb 02, 03:19 AM 2018
Some guys really have hg but they wont tell us, bastards. :sad2:
C'est la vie, dear lucky7red ;)
Don't surrender, keep betting on 7 red, one day a streak of 3 times 7 red will appear.
Keep the finger crossed
Best regards
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 08:19 PM 2018
What's really funny is I wasn't joking.
I can agree with this. If i was in the position to see the methods from those winners....hell yeah i use it.
Casino's, parx, roulette simulator, the mpr game here ..... etc
Quote from: blueman on Feb 02, 03:21 AM 2018
Then why are you keeping the secret so far? We're all out of power!? :thumbsup:
I would be a fool to give it on a silver platter.
I gave some clues already. Start studying KTF/WTF/GUT
And I Wii say it again, again and again.
HG is not one that always wins, but its one that wins more than it loses. And there's no winner strategy without hard work.
Even playing using computers you will have some lose sessions.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 02, 02:44 AM 2018
Oh, for God's sake, please leave God out of all things roulette-related !
Roulette is, after all, the devil's game -- the numbers on the wheel add up to what number again ?
>:D >:D
Oh God
I don't believe in God or Devil
So go to hell
Amen
Lol
Guys
Be careful with online casino, some of them causing technical problems to their online tables on purpose in order to steal money from players ( they deduct money and show that bets were rejected) that happened to me yesterday !!!
Suppose i was playing high stakes, what could happen ?? A huge loss
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 02, 11:44 AM 2018
Guys
Be careful with online casino, some of them causing technical problems to their online tables on purpose in order to steal money from players ( they deduct money and show that bets were rejected) that happened to me yesterday !!!
Suppose i was playing high stakes, what could happen ?? A huge loss
Who do you play with Roulette beater?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 02, 11:52 AM 2018
Who do you play with Roulette beater?
They are based in Malta and they operate in many countries around the world
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 02, 12:04 PM 2018
They are based in Malta and they operate in many countries around the world
But I mean what online bookmaker or casino are you running through.
Can you not get an account with Ladbrokes or Betway? I never had a problem with them.
Hey Andre Chas's
What you doing is unacceptable, this forum to share stragedies!
You claim you own a HG and don't give us any hint on your stragedy, like that we going nowhere, what you're doing is called baiting!
Decide, you wanna share or should we moderate you ?!
Btw, I still remember well how some guys here behaved with me last time, I am just playing the same role against the poor Andre :)
Cheers and have nice weekend altogether
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 02, 12:49 PM 2018
Hey Andre Chas's
What you doing is unacceptable, this forum to share stragedies!
You claim you own a HG and don't give us any hint on your stragedy,
Yep a real tragedy is his stragedy :lol:
I want this stragedy now.