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Title: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: sugtips on Feb 05, 08:57 PM 2018
Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you all for everything you have shared.

As similarly claimed so many times that these three ktf, gut and wtf are the best way to play roulette to make money. And discussed thousands of times.

I request you all the Masters to please kindly post the summary and system for above three. Without giving just hints or pointing towards any ideas or just claims. I am opening this thread, so only if you really want to help fellow members and share the main extract,  gold, gems and core of KTF GUT WTF.

Not any leg pulling or biting or baiting.

Thanks.

Love and Light.
SugTips 
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 09:30 PM 2018
I'm not a master but here are the strategies.

KTF

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg146236#msg146236


GUT

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17142.0


WTF

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16732.0
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: cht on Feb 05, 09:38 PM 2018
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 09:30 PM 2018
I'm not a master but here are the strategies.

KTF

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16512.msg146236#msg146236


GUT

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17142.0


WTF

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16732.0
Come on MASTER Andre.

I'm sure you can do better than that. These guys need your help, right ?
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 09:40 PM 2018
Quote from: cht on Feb 05, 09:38 PM 2018
Come on MASTER Andre.

I'm sure you can do better than that. These guys need your help, right ?

I'm sure you can do better on the Pattern Breaker thread too.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: cht on Feb 05, 09:41 PM 2018
Quote from: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 09:40 PM 2018
I'm sure you can do better on the Pattern Breaker thread too.
LOL   :xd:

Apologise sugtips, I was kidding with Andre.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Andre Chass on Feb 05, 10:07 PM 2018
SUGTIPS

I'll save you some time.

First you need to know The Law of the third.

You need to know when to bet for a repeat and when to bet for a unique.

KTF basically you track the first10 spins and after you bet all non hit numbers.

WTF basically you start tracking the first 15 spins. If it has maximum 2 numbers repeated, you bet for a repeat.

You have to learn the trot and know when the conditions are favorable to bet for a unique or for a repeat.

I suggest you to start studying WTF  and Lott and after learn the trot.

Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Andre Chass on Feb 06, 12:24 AM 2018
THE HOLY GRAL OR G.U.T THE GREAT UNIVERSAL THEORY

link:s://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

Holy Grail By Winkel

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13756.0


Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: sugtips on Feb 06, 01:32 AM 2018
Thank you Andre Chass.

It seems you really want to help and you actually helped. Thanks a lot.

I am seeing lot of discussions and hundreds of pages on these topics.

I think we have to start slowly and learn one step at a time. So let us start with LOTT first.

I request also nottophammer to give his input.

Regards
SugTips

I appreciate if someone
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: sugtips on Feb 06, 01:58 AM 2018
Extract from Num6 posts:

QuoteRegardless of the amount of trials conducted the statistics will always illustrate that in
an interval (or rotation) of 37 spins an average of 24 numbers will arrive. In a sample
of 26 million separate trials, the lower and upper limits were revealed as 14 and 34.

100 million trials can be run, but the results will remain largely robust…implying that
only the lower and upper limits are liable to change from sample to sample.
Does this suggest that roulette produces accidental boundary values and can to an
extent be predicted, if a phenomenon is apparently inherent in the short-term
distribution of the numbers?
Or is it nothingness, a fallacious detail to be ignored?

Well, ponder this: only one number repeating every 37 spins will deliver consistent
winnings â€" and it would take hundreds of trillion.

Basic Analysis
Over a 37-spin interval the law will manifest itself by dividing the numbers into three
classes: Hit/Unhit/Repeater.
In the main, an average of 13 numbers won’t arrive…so 13 numbers will repeat.
Fundamentally, in 37 spins, the law provides:
• 13 numbers that hit twice
• 11 numbers that hit once
• 13 numbers that didn’t hit
Obviously these averages aren’t set in stone.
They are the result of an equation and prone to fluctuation.
The million dollar question that stumps players and forces them to dismiss the law as
worthless: what to bet on, how and why?
For sure one thing is certain â€" the events that generate profit have to be nailed within
the margins of the first spin and the outcome of the thirty-seventh; capitalising on
short-term distribution (with Poisson) is paramount and the essence of exploiting the
law.
Looking beyond 37 spins is unacceptable as this is the realm of binomial distribution,
by which stage the law will have diminished.

Hope this information lay the foundation.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 06, 02:06 AM 2018
no Master but Jesus
==============================
Here's a GUT summary

Basically GUT revolves around one major bet.  Smaller bets are also availiable.

In a nutshell, (the major bet) you have unhit and hit once (or more) numbers.

Unhit  //   Hit
36             0    (when you start playing)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As the numbers come in, the unhit numbers will decrease and the hit numbers will increase.
(You have to keep track of the unhit ones (which ones they are)

Unhit   //  Hit (example)

15            15
         or
16            15


Now, when the unhit numbers equal total hit numbers (preferably 18 numbers or less) it is time to bet all of the unhit numbers one time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<<<<Smaller bets>>>>>

Of the hit numbers, you can wager when once hit, twice hit or more equal each other...
(Example)

Once hit   //   Twice Hit
8                         8

You would bet the 8 once hit numbers (one time)
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: cht on Feb 06, 03:19 AM 2018
When you study Professor winkel this is a must have ingredient.

Make a copy of winkel's post for reference.

Caution - Make sure you properly understand those numbers else you get the profs backlash.  :)

Quote from: winkel on Dec 11, 01:51 PM 2015
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: cht on Feb 06, 03:25 AM 2018
Error duplicate post
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 06, 03:39 AM 2018
When you study Professor winkel this is a must have ingredient.

Make a copy of winkel's post for reference.

Caution - Make sure you properly understand those numbers else you get the profs backlash.  :)  -CHT


Winkel and I are on good terms.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: sugtips on Feb 06, 04:24 AM 2018
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 06, 02:06 AM 2018In a nutshell

Thank you boss, it was much needed.

Thanks
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 04:43 AM 2018
Quote from: sugtips on Feb 06, 01:32 AM 2018I request also nottophammer to give his input.
Good morning Sugs, only been up 45 mins and see this awaiting.
Yes your Extract from Num6 posts: is spot on :thumbsup:
As i've said before i not math man, so i worked on 40 spins, not 37 numbers/spins.
But what 40 spins has shown me and here you have to treat this either way, that spins 11-40 has an average of 15.7 non-hit numbers come over those 30 spins.
For me drop the point 7 and 15 is half those 30 spins, which means 15 are non-hit / 15 are repeats. ( This is why you have to study the trot)

Take a look in 100 days of Mort, look at the checkpoints, do you members understand the checkpoint box.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 04:45 AM 2018
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/06/temp_221600.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0R7A)
Just got these from Mort i was 1st to download.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 04:46 AM 2018
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/06/temp_681220.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0Vzs)
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 04:52 AM 2018
So for 40 spins
1-10  8 non hit  (now if you accept 15 non-hit in spins 11-40)  8+15=23 so at spin40 we could/should see 23 have hit, well it says 22, +7 the plus 7 is wrong pri said how to correct but its beyond me but it should read 22, -1.
So 14 hit and 16 were repeats.
These 30spins (11-40) are the trot.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 04:55 AM 2018
Shown on many occasions you see it like this

1-10    11-20   21-30   31-40
  ?            7           5          3          ( 7non-hits is the usual , then 5 non-hits and finally 3 non-hits)
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 05:04 AM 2018
Where's the larger group, 1-10, 11-20 when larger group diminish 21-30, unihit and repeats, and when the starting 37 are at spins 31-40 what is the more likely to show
Again you need to study the trot of spins 11-40

Heres one whats the max 27 non-hit numbers  can miss and all this 1/37 spin i disregard
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 05:11 AM 2018
Next part of the puzzle (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/06/temp_600497.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0aW7)

41-60, if you look at 100 days of Mort its running at 29 point something, you have to remember its only average,  A GUIDE
If you accept 29 at spin 60, would mean a possible 7 more non-hit could show, answers in the box
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 06, 05:11 AM 2018
Sugtip
is that of help
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: sugtips on Feb 06, 09:17 AM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 06, 05:11 AM 2018
Sugtip
is that of help

Great Sir.

Actually its a very big help. Thanks a lot, am trying to digest, learn and practice it.

Best Regards
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 08:36 PM 2018
Think that those of you who are  interested in GUT may find the following web site interesting:

link:://:.g-u-t.co



Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 09:07 PM 2018

By the way, just to be clear, I am not endorsing that web site.

It is a web site that I came across more than a year ago, when I was interested in GUT.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 07, 03:50 AM 2018
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 09:07 PM 2018
By the way, just to be clear, I am not endorsing that web site.

It is a web site that I came across more than a year ago, when I was interested in GUT.
And your conclusion of GUT Doc, please
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Feb 07, 12:32 PM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 07, 03:50 AM 2018
And your conclusion of GUT Doc, please

Nottop,
I am not really that interested in GUT proper.

However, I am much more interested in GUT-inspired methods, like your non-hits method that you post so many charts about.

I think targeting the non-hits has a lot of promise.

I have not had the time to "research" it because you have to go through literally hundreds of spins (dozens and dozens of 37/38 number cycles to see how it holds up for both the short term and the medium term). But that is something I intend to do in the near future (once the damn winter is over).

By the way,  kudos to you for drawing our attention to the potential of targeting the non-hits.  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 07, 12:47 PM 2018
Doc
The interesting part is spins 11-40, those 30 spins 15 non-hit and 15 repeats. And the usual show is 7,5,3
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: denzie on Feb 07, 12:54 PM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 07, 12:47 PM 2018
Doc
The interesting part is spins 11-40, those 30 spins 15 non-hit and 15 repeats. And the usual show is 7,5,3

So how to bet them...following the leaders ? I mean if repeats dominate bet them ? And vice versa

Or is it a guessing game

Coz winkel said only 5-6% have the exact average
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: nottophammer on Feb 07, 02:48 PM 2018
Quote from: denzie on Feb 07, 12:54 PM 2018Or is it a guessing game
Nope, its a waiting game. To do the waiting, you need to accept spins 11-20 should get 5 of each, non-hit and repeat, but we're dealing still with the larger group.
To my records spins 11-20 is more often 7, +2; (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/07/temp_519916.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0kI9)
so 11-20 got more than 5 non-hit
     21-30 got more than 5 non-hit
     31-40 got 3 non-hit  so the 5,5,5 for each group of 10 spins that shoud/could come 7,5,3 was 6,6,3
Now if you collect spins for each non-hit, it would enable you to make a decison on whether to bet for a repeat or a non-hit.
Of course at the end of the day it's still a guess, is Pattern Breaker any different, you have to decide to bet for or against, so still a guess, but at least you have used a structured method, not just something clutched from the air.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: Andre Chass on Feb 07, 04:16 PM 2018
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 07, 02:48 PM 2018
Nope, its a waiting game. To do the waiting, you need to accept spins 11-20 should get 5 of each, non-hit and repeat, but we're dealing still with the larger group.
To my records spins 11-20 is more often 7, +2; (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/07/temp_519916.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/G0kI9)
so 11-20 got more than 5 non-hit
     21-30 got more than 5 non-hit
     31-40 got 3 non-hit  so the 5,5,5 for each group of 10 spins that shoud/could come 7,5,3 was 6,6,3
Now if you collect spins for each non-hit, it would enable you to make a decison on whether to bet for a repeat or a non-hit.
Of course at the end of the day it's still a guess, is Pattern Breaker any different, you have to decide to bet for or against, so still a guess, but at least you have used a structured method, not just something clutched from the air.

Denzie don't like triggers.

But when you play WTF/KTF, repeaters, non-hit, you have to wait and bet when the conditions are favorable.
That's a trigger and a waiting game too.
Title: Re: KTF - GUT - WTF
Post by: cht on Feb 07, 08:08 PM 2018
Quote from: denzie on Feb 07, 12:54 PM 2018
So how to bet them...following the leaders ? I mean if repeats dominate bet them ? And vice versa

Or is it a guessing game

Coz winkel said only 5-6% have the exact average
Prof winkel told us what the frequency distribution table says. Yet this fact is conveniently ignored.  :)

For some strange reason,  people assume it happens often and when this is repeated it automatically becomes a fact.  :(