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Title: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:06 PM 2018
I would like to know your opinion on this:

for the simplicity.. consider that you get yourself a progressive system  (betting on 18 numbers with 10 steps-marti) and test it against 9704 spins...

The tests showed:


At which step of the 10 steps-marti a HIT occured?


Step     # Hits
------------------------
+1    |   4893
+2    |   2386
+3    |   1206
+4    |   601
+5    |   307
+6    |   154
+7    |   80
+8    |   43
+9    |   20
+10   |    4

>11   |   1


Last line of above table shows that the 10 steps progression failed only one time in 9704 spins.


Would you consider such a system a winner or loser?

Thx

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:53 PM 2018
 I would appreciate hearing your opinion on this
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Tinsoldiers on Feb 22, 04:09 PM 2018
As you can see the skew has happened only in the 10th and 11th step. Before that it is as per expectations. Considering this am likely to lean towards to say that this is likely to to go as per expectation and not going to be different from betting random 18 numbers. Another set will produce different results and you will not see consistency in your results.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Herby on Feb 22, 04:58 PM 2018
Data Plot
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 05:09 PM 2018
Let's consider that every game consists of 10 rounds, we would have 970 games.
Out of 970 games we won 969 and we lost only one game.





Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Herby on Feb 22, 05:21 PM 2018
Datafit
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 05:23 PM 2018
The Hit-rate at the first step is interesting...can be exploited as it looks promising
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 05:40 PM 2018
Ok- i believe +9000 spins are too much, nobody can play continuously all these spins.

I have taken a more realistic sample (500 spins):

Step     # Hits
------------------------
+1    |   233
+2    |   129
+3    |   64
+4    |   36
+5    |   18
+6    |   7
+7    |   4
+8    |   0
+9    |   0
+10  |   0

>11  |   0
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Taotie on Feb 22, 09:28 PM 2018
I'm confused by your data..

If step 1 hit 4893 times, isn't that 4893 spins accounted for?
If step 2 hit 2386 times, isn't that 4772 spins accounted for?

So together steps 1&2 have accounted for 9665 spins, and the whole test was only conducted over 9704 spins?

Where and how does the rest of the data fit in to the spin count?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 23, 02:10 AM 2018
Would you consider such a system a winner or loser?

Hey RB the fact that it went past the 10th leg of the progression
should worry you.  It could wipe out 90% of your progress.



Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 03:01 AM 2018
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 22, 09:28 PM 2018
I'm confused by your data..

If step 1 hit 4893 times, isn't that 4893 spins accounted for?
If step 2 hit 2386 times, isn't that 4772 spins accounted for?

So together steps 1&2 have accounted for 9665 spins, and the whole test was only conducted over 9704 spins?

Where and how does the rest of the data fit in to the spin count?

Yup, you are right in ur consideration however there is a difference between step and spin...

To make it simple, you would play 9000 spins out of 18000 as a sort of trigger play...cheers
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 03:04 AM 2018
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 23, 02:10 AM 2018
Would you consider such a system a winner or loser?

Hey RB the fact that it went past the 10th leg of the progression
should worry you.  It could wipe out 90% of your progress.

Well it's complicated !!!

Reason is that those spins are sparsed over a few days, I believe this system (in background) can overcome this game if tested against a consistent set of spins produced by only one dealer..


It's quite simple, there is a relation between last number and next number, the relation is cause&effect.

I hope you understand what I meant

Cheers
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Tinsoldiers on Feb 23, 03:23 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 03:04 AM 2018I hope you understand what I meant
Crystal clear. No fire, no smoke. Or is it the other way round.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Herby on Feb 23, 05:28 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 03:04 AM 2018the relation is cause&effect.
I hope you understand what I meant
For better understanding: Do you need a factor 2/5 ?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 05:36 AM 2018
Quote from: Herby on Feb 23, 05:28 AM 2018
For better understanding: Do you need a factor 2/5 ?

It's not the first time you come up with this 2/5 factor... Go on and tell me what is this 2/5 factor !?

Thx
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 05:48 AM 2018
Back to topic ...
Many of you wondering how does this system work, what is the base idea behind it ? ...

Ok let's take it one by one ...

First of all, none of us would debate on the fact that casino loves randomness, the more random their tables produce, the happier are they !!

Here is the bulletproof, we will revert the random to beat the house... let's take the speed of spin as an example, the house loves alternating spin ball's speed, we will just revert the speed and we should be almost right there..

I am looking forward to an extended discussion on this topic

Cheers 
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Herby on Feb 23, 06:38 AM 2018
Hi Roulettebeater,
I answered your question, my internet connection broke down  :sad2:, the answer is lost, but maybe has to do with:

Now I see you want to revert the speed of the ball : here you mean physically ?

in the thread for genius you want to revert a pattern of 18 numbers, can you give an example for better understanding ?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 06:51 AM 2018
Hey

I don't want to reveal the full secret but I will give a clue, how rare do you see a live table where ball's speed is constant ?

That will never happen ! Right ?

Ok, lets try to recap, the casino will do any thing to keep the speed varying.. we will exploit this event and beat them back

Got it ?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Herby on Feb 23, 07:07 AM 2018
for the calculation of the velocity, energie of a rolling sphere
you need:
moment of inertia of a rolling sphere: 2/5 m r^2

here is this factor 2/5

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 07:16 AM 2018
Yup but i have an easier way, I am not measuring the speed real time, last two numbers are enough to detect speed.

The theory says: next speed is gonna be different than last speed


To be continued ....
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 07:25 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 07:16 AM 2018
Yup but i have an easier way, I am not measuring the speed real time, last two numbers are enough to detect speed.

The theory says: next speed is gonna be different than last speed

Of course there is limitation and violation, for example lazy dealers will produce sometime consistent sets but that's a small exception and can be worked out
To be continued ....
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 10:05 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 22, 03:06 PM 2018
I would like to know your opinion on this:

for the simplicity.. consider that you get yourself a progressive system  (betting on 18 numbers with 10 steps-marti) and test it against 9704 spins...

The tests showed:


At which step of the 10 steps-marti a HIT occured?


Step     # Hits
------------------------
+1    |   4893
+2    |   2386
+3    |   1206
+4    |   601
+5    |   307
+6    |   154
+7    |   80
+8    |   43
+9    |   20
+10   |    4

>11   |   1


Last line of above table shows that the 10 steps progression failed only one time in 9704 spins.


Would you consider such a system a winner or loser?

Thx


Don't you see that a progression + unit on loss performs better than martingale?

So on loss + unit
      on win reset to base unit

Open your eyes well, guys !!!


Here the calculus :

4893 *(+18) +
2386 *(-18+36) +
1206 *(-18-36+54) +
Etc

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Lucky7Red on Feb 23, 10:22 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 10:05 AM 2018

Don't you see that a progression + unit on loss performs better than martingale?

So on loss + unit
      on win reset to base unit

Open your eyes well, guys !!!


Here the calculus :

4893 *(+18) +
2386 *(-18+36) +
1206 *(-18-36+54) +
Etc
I can see, I can see finally thanks a lot.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 10:28 AM 2018
Hahah

I don't know exactly what is the minimal hit ratio on 18 numbers in order to be able to win with this stakeing system (up one unit on loss and reset on win)

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 10:34 AM 2018
Unlucky7black

bring some progression experts here and let them have a look at this wonder :)

Thx
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: cht on Feb 23, 11:51 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 06:51 AM 2018
Hey

I don't want to reveal the full secret but I will give a clue, how rare do you see a live table where ball's speed is constant ?

That will never happen ! Right ?

Ok, lets try to recap, the casino will do any thing to keep the speed varying.. we will exploit this event and beat them back

Got it ?
RB, for the last time, if you have no intention to share stuff it's ok, no problem.

BUT STFU about these things else you are guilty of baiting again !!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:02 PM 2018
Dear  Cht

Did you bother yourself looking at the staking method I proposed and it's efficiency ?

What do you think ? It's fire, isn't it ?




Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: cht on Feb 23, 12:05 PM 2018
Not playable in b&m casino.  :)
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:09 PM 2018
Quote from: cht on Feb 23, 12:05 PM 2018
Not playable in b&m casino.  :)

I can turn it playable at b&m casino, all what you have to do is bet the 18 numbers given by the system and follow the progression + 1 unit on loss, reset on win ...
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:13 PM 2018
Can you continue the calculus as written below and write down the final result ?

I am driving right now and I can't do !



4893 *(+18) +
2386 *(-18+36) +
1206 *(-18-36+54) +
Etc
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 01:14 PM 2018
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 22, 04:09 PM 2018
As you can see the skew has happened only in the 10th and 11th step. Before that it is as per expectations. Considering this am likely to lean towards to say that this is likely to to go as per expectation and not going to be different from betting random 18 numbers. Another set will produce different results and you will not see consistency in your results.

Thx for ur comment... forget  skewness, expectation etc, don't bother urself unless you wanna have headache.

take a look at my staking method and don't be hesitated to write ur opinion
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Herby on Feb 23, 01:29 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 12:13 PM 2018Can you continue the calculus as written below and write down the final result ?
4893*(+18) +
2386*(-18 + 36) +
1206*(-18 - 36 + 54) +
601*(-18 - 36 - 54 + 72) +
307*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 + 90) +
154*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 + 108) +
80*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 + 126) +
43*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 + 144) +
20*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 - 144 + 162) +
4*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 - 144 - 162 + 180) -
1*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 - 144 - 162 - 180)

Sum: +9918
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 23, 01:35 PM 2018
Quote from: Herby on Feb 23, 01:29 PM 2018
4893*(+18) +
2386*(-18 + 36) +
1206*(-18 - 36 + 54) +
601*(-18 - 36 - 54 + 72) +
307*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 + 90) +
154*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 + 108) +
80*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 + 126) +
43*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 + 144) +
20*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 - 144 + 162) +
4*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 - 144 - 162 + 180) -
1*(-18 - 36 - 54 - 72 - 90 - 108 - 126 - 144 - 162 - 180)

Sum: +9918

Perfectus !

It's fire, the aim of this thread was to see if there is a genius here who can get this "on the fly" but there wasn't any!

I have just been lectured on skewness and expectation ... as usual !

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 23, 08:46 PM 2018
Correct me if I am wrong,
Instead of keeping it simple like a Martingale on even chances, and having (18/37) chance of doubling stash, this system uses the fractional aspect of the game on the players' side?

Are there more chances of hitting one of 18 numbers in ten rounds than one of selected EC in ten spins, just because of chaos and randomness?

9704 spins, with a bet on EC, this would give, statistically,
9704x 18/37= 4721 hits on first spin;
9704x (18/37)^2=2296 on second spin;
...

You claim to have 4893 and 2386,...?  This is way more, and the amount of rounds is big enough to be relevant, so little place for crazy deviation here.

Again, correct me if I am wrong.

Lemme just gaze at the stars for the night, I'll digest this information...
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 23, 09:19 PM 2018
Checked: a difference of 1.77% on stage 1; 0.92% on stages 2&3, then 0.59% and below for the other ones. 

Stage 1 at 4893 is higher than 50%, throwing the house edge away!  Close to eclipsing the house edge on latter stages, and above (1/2)^n from stage 5 to 9.

Unless I'm wrong, it's worth the few clicks when online or the token shuffling when in casino!
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 02:51 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 23, 09:19 PM 2018
Checked: a difference of 1.77% on stage 1; 0.92% on stages 2&3, then 0.59% and below for the other ones. 

Stage 1 at 4893 is higher than 50%, throwing the house edge away!  Close to eclipsing the house edge on latter stages, and above (1/2)^n from stage 5 to 9.

Unless I'm wrong, it's worth the few clicks when online or the token shuffling when in casino!

Yup I totally agree, the push is achieved within the first stage, there we have a great hit ratio, after the first stage successively the hit ratio starts to change, this can be due to the fact that these 9k spins are not consistent (they are collected over a few days, that means there is a lot of consistencies gaps).

When I tested, I tested all of them together as I can't do manual tests, I have automated the tests and it was possible only if I test them
All together as one consistent sequence.
So back to the point, applying a classical martingale is not recommended, I tweaked the progression a bit and used the ladder I already described.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 08:11 AM 2018
I still find it hard to understand how it can e a hit rate higher than 50% with less than 50% of coverage...

Nrs are chosen randomly? Change every spin? DO you choose the last 18 nrs to exploit repeaters?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 08:11 AM 2018
New exploration with 404 spins, this time they are consistent:

Stage1 > 199
Stage2> 108
Stage3> 53
Stage4> 23
Stage5> 11
Stage6> 4
Stage7> 3
Stage8> 2
Stage9> 1
Stage10> 0



199*(+18)
+108*(-18+36)
+53*(-18-36+54)
+23*(-18-36-54+72)
+11*(-18-36-54-72+90)
+4*(-18-36-54-72-90+108)
+3*(-18-36-54-72-90-108+126)
+2*(-18-36-54-72-90-108-126+144)
+1*(-18-36-54-72-90-108-126-144+162)

Total=1098
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 08:12 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 08:11 AM 2018
I still find it hard to understand how it can e a hit rate higher than 50% with less than 50% of coverage...

Nrs are chosen randomly? Change every spin? DO you choose the last 18 nrs to exploit repeaters?

No, No, No

Numbers are not chosen randomly!

I never said that!


If you want to beat this game, you have only one way:
increase the accuracy!
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 08:27 AM 2018
 "The Hit-rate of Stage1+Stage2 must be > 1/2 of TotalSpins"

In last exploration above:

199 +108 = 307 >1/2 of 404
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 08:38 AM 2018
OK,
let's say I can't go to casino, check for dealer, study his numbers/trend and bet accordingly.

Live tables online would do it, right?   RNG?

Actually, checked real quick, I think you'd be better off stopping progression at stage 3: later you lose money.

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 08:42 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 08:38 AM 2018Actually, checked real quick, I think you'd be better off stopping progression at stage 3: later you lose money.

Mate,

Let RNG alone, the highway to hell goes through RNG.
Real tables only, my method will kill the casino!
Because i am beating them exactly in the same point where they are strong at..

I don't agree that i should stop at stage 3...

Stage1+Stage2 will always have a hitrate >50%.



Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:11 AM 2018
Hi,

if you are using a doubling-up Martingale, sure you could continue.  Again, with your 9xxx rounds given earlier,but if only +1u every step, then if stop at:
step 1: 1638u
step 2: 558u
step 3: 87462 u
step 4: 54576 u
step 5: 32832 u
step 6: 24840 u
step 7: 15048 u
step 8: 11898 u
step 9: 11178 u

... probably reaching the 9918u sum at round 11.

P.S.: Sum of the numbers you gave is 9695, not 9704.  Hey, doesn't matter, still good.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:13 AM 2018
Limiting the stages to only 3 produced following results:

Stage1>  193
Stage2>  106
Stage3>   53

44 TIMES we have had three consecutive losses ...
So the total is:

189*(+18)
+104*(-18+36)
+52*(-18-36+54)
+44*(-18-36-54)

= 522
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:19 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:13 AM 2018
Limiting the stages to only 3 produced following results:

Stage1>  193
Stage2>  106
Stage3>   53

44 TIMES we have had three consecutive losses ...
So the total is:

189*(+18)
+104*(-18+36)
+52*(-18-36+54)
+44*(-18-36-54)

= 522

Wasn't it 199, 108, 53?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:20 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:11 AM 2018
Hi,

if you are using a doubling-up Martingale, sure you could continue.  Again, with your 9xxx rounds given earlier,but if only +1u every step, then if stop at:
step 1: 1638u
step 2: 558u
step 3: 87462 u
step 4: 54576 u
step 5: 32832 u
step 6: 24840 u
step 7: 15048 u
step 8: 11898 u
step 9: 11178 u

... probably reaching the 9918u sum at round 11.

P.S.: Sum of the numbers you gave is 9695, not 9704.  Hey, doesn't matter, still good.

Mate,

Yup, the outcome is crazy..

I still believe no classical martingale required, the system performs wonderful with +1 Unit up on loss.
If you you have numbers from real table to test you can post here, i will process them and write down the result.

Cheers

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:21 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:19 AM 2018
Wasn't it 199, 108, 53?

yes, a typo error..
still positive and it even went UP :)
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:25 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 08:11 AM 2018
New exploration with 404 spins, this time they are consistent:

Stage1 > 199
Stage2> 108
Stage3> 53
Stage4> 23
Stage5> 11
Stage6> 4
Stage7> 3
Stage8> 2
Stage9> 1
Stage10> 0



199*(+18)
+108*(-18+36)
+53*(-18-36+54)
+23*(-18-36-54+72)
+11*(-18-36-54-72+90)
+4*(-18-36-54-72-90+108)
+3*(-18-36-54-72-90-108+126)
+2*(-18-36-54-72-90-108-126+144)
+1*(-18-36-54-72-90-108-126-144+162)

Total=1098

I get to 409 rounds total....

And profit of 3762 u at stage 3...

We must be calculating differently,,,,

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:36 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:25 AM 2018
I get to 409 rounds total....

And profit of 3762 u at stage 3...

We must be calculating differently,,,,

Lol.. i dunno what you mean with the column left in your table?

I calcualte like that:

Max Stages= 3

199 Times a HIT has been achieved in the 1st stage
108 Times a HIT has been achieved in the 2nd stage
53  Times a HIT has been achieved in the 3rd stage
44  Times 3 consecutive MISS showed up

Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:50 AM 2018
LOL indeed!

Ok:
Stage1: 199 hits.  18u profit.  199*18=3584
Stage2: 108 hits.  (-18+36)=18u profit.  108*18=1944
Stage3: 53 hits. (-18-36+54)=0 u profit. 53*0=0
Unhit 409-199-108-53=49.  (-18-36-54...

Arrrrrr shit: just found my error.
Damn, OK you winn!!!
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 09:58 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 09:50 AM 2018
LOL indeed!

Ok:
Stage1: 199 hits.  18u profit.  199*18=3584
Stage2: 108 hits.  (-18+36)=18u profit.  108*18=1944
Stage3: 53 hits. (-18-36+54)=0 u profit. 53*0=0
Unhit 409-199-108-53=49.  (-18-36-54...

Arrrrrr shit: just found my error.
Damn, OK you winn!!!

Fire, it's a fire...and

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Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 10:18 AM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 08:27 AM 2018
"The Hit-rate of Stage1+Stage2 must be > 1/2 of TotalSpins"

In last exploration above:

199 +108 = 307 >1/2 of 404

Shouldn't it be above 3/4?  Spin 1 above 1/2 and/or 1+2 above 3/4?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 10:29 AM 2018
Simple maths:
18 profit on spins 1 and 2.
54 loss (3*18)on all others.

So hits at spins 1&2 with their 2*18 must cover the 3*18 or the rest.
So, (1+1)xn% must be greater than 3xn%
60%x(1+1) = 40%x3

Should have 60% hit rate  on  first spins to break even.  Am I correct?
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 10:32 AM 2018
No I am not.  It really is 75%.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Roulettebeater on Feb 24, 10:37 AM 2018
Take a look below - here is a test of 398 spins, first column is round's ID


19012 HIT    +18
19013 HIT    +18
19014 HIT    +18
19015 MISS   -18
19016 HIT    +36
19017 MISS   -18
19018 HIT    +36
19019 HIT    +18
19020 MISS   -18
19021 MISS   -36
19022 HIT    +54
19023 MISS   -18
19024 HIT    +36
19025 HIT    +18
19026 HIT    +18
19027 HIT    +18
19028 MISS   -18
19029 HIT    +36
19030 MISS   -18
19031 MISS   -36
19032 MISS   -54
19033 MISS   -18
19034 HIT    +36
19035 MISS   -18
19036 MISS   -36
19037 HIT    +54
19038 MISS   -18
19039 HIT    +36
19040 MISS   -18
19041 MISS   -36
19042 HIT    +54
19043 MISS   -18
19044 MISS   -36
19045 HIT    +54
19046 HIT    +18
19047 MISS   -18
19048 MISS   -36
19049 MISS   -54
19050 MISS   -18
19051 HIT    +36
19052 HIT    +18
19053 HIT    +18
19054 HIT    +18
19055 HIT    +18
19056 HIT    +18
19057 MISS   -18
19058 HIT    +36
19059 MISS   -18
19060 HIT    +36
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Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 10:07 PM 2018
I tried something:
took  two 5000 random spins.  Checked if the number out was a repeater of a number within the last 18 spins (not the last 18 nrs).  Out of 5000 spins, less than 2000 times was it a repeater.  Actually, 1967 in one run, 1938 in the other one.

That is, 3000+ times was it NOT a repeater.
There must be a way to exploit this.
Title: Re: A question to the experts
Post by: jekhb76 on Feb 25, 08:29 AM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 24, 10:07 PM 2018
I tried something:
took  two 5000 random spins.  Checked if the number out was a repeater of a number within the last 18 spins (not the last 18 nrs).  Out of 5000 spins, less than 2000 times was it a repeater.  Actually, 1967 in one run, 1938 in the other one.

That is, 3000+ times was it NOT a repeater.
There must be a way to exploit this.
Check my lasted thread; HOUNTING REPEATERS! :smile: