Samuel Fisher, early last century...Ever heard of him?
No, I thought not.
He wrote: The Sealed Book of Roulette and Trente-et-Quarante
(1924, Fleetway Press, Ltd. London)
Therein he details a betting strategy for EC that apparently is NOT martingale, and yet it never loses. (Yeah, I know. Keep reading, though.)
Anyway, the method so impressed a Netherlands software company that they have now written a program for it. (Yes. In English!)
All data is manual entry -- it is not a bot. [I've just noticed an addition to the site -- they now advise an automated version is pending]
INDEPENDENT TESTING
It is currently under test by an independent outfit, BettingSystemTruths.
As I write this they have reached Test Day 33. Results as follows:
Casino 1. (betvoyager, no zero)
127 spins 33 wins no losses (20 min)
P/L = + 33 pts
New bank = + 2820 pts
Overall flat stake profit = + 820 pts or 41% of starting bank after 33 days.
Casino 2. (willhill ââ,¬Ëœliveââ,¬â,,¢)
37 spins 6 wins no losses (32 min, decided to just spend 30 mins from now on)
P/L = + 6 pts
Running total = + $327 after 18 hours.
DETAILS
1 Here is the test site:
link:://:.bettingsystemtruths.com/?s=%22fisher+roulette+software%22 (link:://:.bettingsystemtruths.com/?s=%22fisher+roulette+software%22)
Take a look from the beginning. But hold a hand over your eyeballs or they'll drop out.
2 Here is the full 59Euro software, available through Clickbank:
link:://korthoutsoftware.com/fisherroulette.aspx (link:://korthoutsoftware.com/fisherroulette.aspx)
[NB: I very carefully avoided giving my affiliate link!! We do NOT make money from each other on this forum. ]
3 As you'll see above they've discontinued the 3-day trial.
But I managed to get a TRIAL-COPY from here:
link:://:.softsia.com/Fisher-Roulette-Software-download-rj28.htm (link:://:.softsia.com/Fisher-Roulette-Software-download-rj28.htm)
[If all else fails let me know and I can upload a trial copy for you]
I look forward to forum members' reactions to their own testing and experiences.
Hey esoito.
You sent me these in a pm.
It looks ok.
I may even purchase the software.
PS: Congrats on becoming a mod.
(Thanks, Thomas)
I've emailed the Fisher Software company and asked for details of their proposed automated version.
I put in a good plug for ensuring LIVE online casinos are included and reasons why.
No good if it's RNG only...
They expect to reply in 48 hours (auto response initially) so watch this space.
...... I have done an little research on the this book and it seems that it is owned by one "Martin Silverthorne ", I looked on the rouletteforum. Here is the link
link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1232198096/ (link:://:.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1232198096/)
Carlitos 8)
Ah, yes.
Silverthorne apparently used Samuel Fisher's methods to peddle one of his own ubiquitous products.
Silverthorne himself seems to be quite separate from the Fisher Software, or, indeed Mr Fisher's methodology.
The only connection is that both use Mr Fisher's strategy, but in their own different , unrelated products.
That's important to take note of.
(I mention this clear distinction because Mr S has -- how can I put it kindly - has a somewhat patchy reputation, if various posts elsewhere are anything to go by. Read between the lines, people.)
By the way, I've seen Fisher's book is still available online.
...ok, good point Esoito. Thanks that you made that clear. Were can i find the book? Can i download it in an pdf file somewere?
Carlitos 8)
@Carlitos
Before you even think of buying Fisher's book (is pretty scarce now) why not download the TRIAL from the link I gave?
That includes a PDF Help file that explains the Fisher method.
QuoteThat includes a PDF Help file that explains the Fisher method.
Hi esoito,
Would you mind uploading it some time? (no hurry). The software won't run on my computer. There is no information about the system on the web site, and that sets alarm bells ringing for me, but being clickbank at least you can get a refund easily enough.
@Bayes
If you install the TRIAL version you'll find it includes a Help PDF that explains the Fisher strategy but the two are sort of 'locked' together.
Unfortunately, the way they've set it up, the program must be installed first to access the Help.
Sadly, I can't extract the Help file as a standalone file to upload for you.
Let me have a think -- if I can do a workaround I'll send it to you but don't hold your breath.
NB: re Your running problem. it's Windows software -- not Linux, of course And, unlike little moi, it might not like Wine -- assuming that's the emulator you use.
Sadly, it doesn't seem to like Wine (maybe the wrong side of the hill), and the pdf is bundled inside the installation file (an executable), so I can't get at it. :'(
@esoito
What was your experience when you tried the 3 day trial ?
....Esoito, perhaps you can make an simple copy with your mouse of the help file that explains the Fischer method...... ?? Just an idea........
Carlitos 8)
@ Carlitos
I've done the research.
I've provided basic information.
I've provided the links.
I've explained the Help file is part of the trial version.
I've explained where to get the trial.
That should be enough spoonfeeding from me ;)
@Twister
Still trialling
bet decision dbl, money management some sort of labby? ???
......Esoito, it was just idea so that i did not needed too dowload it also......
Carlitos 8)
What I dont get is
Once you have the 3 day trial it tells you how it works, so why wud you wanna pay 59 or 79 Euros for it ?
Or am I missin something ??
Quote from: esoito on Oct 28, 03:51 AM 2010
Ah, yes.
Silverthorne apparently used Samuel Fisher's methods to peddle one of his own ubiquitous products.
Silverthorne himself seems to be quite separate from the Fisher Software, or, indeed Mr Fisher's methodology.
The only connection is that both use Mr Fisher's strategy, but in their own different , unrelated products.
That's important to take note of.
(I mention this clear distinction because Mr S has -- how can I put it kindly - has a somewhat patchy reputation, if various posts elsewhere are anything to go by. Read between the lines, people.)
By the way, I've seen Fisher's book is still available online.
Ahh, that is what I was going to ask.
I got some of Silverthorne systems somewhere.
Or at least I think I do.
I may have even uploaded them.
I was a bit concerned that it was Silverthorne selling the bot.
But from what you told me.
They are two separate programs. Or systems. Or whatever.
Thanks again.
Definitely going to purchase it.
Maybe next week.
Sorry, Its Not For Me !
Just blew Ã,£103 usin Ã,£3 startin stake
Im uninstalling it as we speak >:(
And Finally,
To say it never loses is true, as long as you're prepared to keep pumpin in the money *until* it wins.......
A nice sh!t start to the day >:(
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 07:04 AM 2010
And Finally,
To say it never loses is true, as long as you're prepared to keep pumpin in the money *until* it wins.......
A nice sh!t start to the day >:(
Did you actually play for real money? :(
I actually did :D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 07:11 AM 2010
I actually did :D
I think you must be getting a little trigger happy :lol: Victor needs release the roulette tool...other wise you might blow your BR ;D
Quote from: furple on Oct 28, 07:16 AM 2010
I think you must be getting a little trigger happy :LoL: Victor needs release the roulette tool...other wise you might blow your BR ;D
Spot on furple :-[
I'm ashamed at my weakness :-[
On a brighter point I just won my Ã,£100 back using my prefered betting plan :)
Ahhhhhh nice expresso now with a sarnie ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 07:00 AM 2010
Sorry, Its Not For Me !
Just blew Ã,£103 using Ã,£3 startin stake
I'm uninstalling it as we speak >:(
Oh dear.
The site includes a table of figures related to recommended starting banks and bet sizes.
Testing first with conservative figures is never a bad idea! LoL
Still, we're all different.
One man's meat...
Quote from: esoito on Oct 28, 08:20 AM 2010
Oh dear.
The site includes a table of figures related to starting banks and bet sizes.
Testing with conservative figures is never a bad idea! LoL
One man's meat...
don't worry twas my own fault :D
Had a nice win last night and was "Trigger Happy" as furple put it
No worries I recovered the Ã,£100, so I'm back where I started :)
It was the Ã,£36 on Black that did it for me ! I don't like those types of bet
But as you say, One Man's Meat..... ;D
Good to see you've regained your gruntle!
Your post begs the question: What strategy did you use to claw back your 100?
If you're willing to expand on that then I and others will be most interested. Otherwise we respect your privacy, of course.
Quote from: esoito on Oct 28, 08:32 AM 2010
Good to see you've regained your gruntle!
Your post begs the question: What strategy did you use to claw back your 100?
If you're willing to expand on that then I and others will be most interested. Otherwise we respect your privacy, of course.
Its a System that I use intuitively :)
I cover Voisins du Zero as my main payers, with
0 2 3 and
25 26 28 29 being the Jackpot 7 and havin Orphelins as a break even saver leavin Tiers uncovered
I use the Stats of my Casino
When I see Voisins streaking I have a bet
When Orphelins starts to hit I stop as *usually* a Tier is comin
Last night 26 hit 3 times in a row followed by a 2 and a 0 ;D
Sh!t I just deleted Thomas last post :o
Went for quote and hit delete ???
Sorry Thomas :-[ I'm on some pretty strong meds as had a bad fall 2 days ago......really bad fall :'(
I was gonna say, I just used my System again logged in and had 3 winners on the bounce
I was gonna write it up as a System under (duh) Systems but you need to use it intuitively and can't really follow that from a rule book......if ya get me
Plus my Casino has a wheel chart showing latest hot zones, which I use.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 12:07 PM 2010
Sh!t I just deleted Thomas last post :o
Went for quote and hit delete ???
Sorry Thomas :-[ I'm on some pretty strong meds as had a bad fall 2 days ago......really bad fall :'(
I was gonna say, I just used my System again logged in and had 3 winners on the bounce
I was gonna write it up as a System under (duh) Systems but you need to use it intuitively and can't really follow that from a rule book......if ya get me
Plus my Casino has a wheel chart showing latest hot zones, which I use.
You crack me up.
No probs buddy.
Must of not been note worthy.
:xd:
Hey guys,
I have tried this system in the past. It's not much different than a full blown martingale. A little slower, but with the same results.
When you hit the dreaded RRBBRRBBRRBB, you have to do something to curb the steep escalating of your bets.
A betting system similar to this is presented in the 302 roulette systems. You start off betting 3 numbers. Even the author says that you have to have some "big ones" to be able to make some of the bets.
I pass on this one.
George
Quote from: GLC on Oct 28, 01:55 PM 2010
Hey guys,
I have tried this system in the past. It's not much different than a full blown martingale. A little slower, but with the same results.
When you hit the dreaded RRBBRRBBRRBB, you have to do something to curb the steep escalating of your bets.
A betting system similar to this is presented in the 302 roulette systems. You start off betting 3 numbers. Even the author says that you have to have some "big ones" to be able to make some of the bets.
I pass on this one.
George
Funny you shud mention that George :D
Yes, George.
My testing using past numbers shows some of the potential outlays are much too rich for my blood.
Like Twister, I don't like it when the next bet is something like 36 or worse when I'm only using small stakes.
We all have different COMFORT ZONES.
For some, the Fisher approach will definitely ring their bell. For others it will put them straight onto oxygen.
It's all a matter of taste and risk-tolerance, of course.
Like in all things, really!
FISHER UPDATE
I've had a pleasant reply to my email asking about their automated version and its use at live, online casinos:
Hello Max,
Thank you for your email. You asked about the automated version and if it will be live roulette table compatible.
To be honest, we don't know that yet. It's something we will have to look at. And we will do
so obviously as Live Wheels are the way to go at the moment.
That isn't to say that strategies cannot change. we will probably implement a different engine in the automated version that will be able (user configurable) to change patterns i.e. chose high or low instead of red/black.
Also we play with the thought of implementing more than one system in one automated software.
But the Fisher Roulette System will definitely be one of the systems in it and also good reputable casino's like Bet Voyager will be in it.
But what works today may not work tomorrow, so no promises are made...and...the creation of the automated version will take some time still...
We value your good advice and any input in the creation process is welcome.
If you have any further questions, just let me know.
Best regards,
Johan - support Fisher Roulette Software
So if any of you want to pop in some ideas or ask them question then:
support (at) fisherroulettesoftware (dot) com
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 07:04 AM 2010
And Finally,
To say it never loses is true, as long as you're prepared to keep pumpin in the money *until* it wins.......
A nice sh!t start to the day >:(
Hi Twister,
I'm sorry I missed this thread I would have warned you not to use this software unless you are prepared to keep pumping money in as your draw-down gets very large!!!
I tested this software about 3 to 4 months ago when they were offering a three day trial, it worked great for a while and then the losing runs started to kick in and wiped out all the profits I had made.
I un-installed the software straight away!
Thanks
malcop
I missed this one too.
The 3 day trial is still avail so I gave it a go.
Tho the layout looks promising, and its easy to use, the Strategy is only used on
Red/Black. (The manual promises sooo much more, but not yet)
The principle behind Fisher thinking is to not just use the Martingale progress
as it stands, and instead it shares out big losses over several bets.
Having said that, it can also come up with huge progression bets, when its trying to lessen the loses, as one thing the software does do is it notes down each and every lose a a separate incidence.
Hence, if u lose -1 unit on black, it records that as a 1 lose
lose a second unit in succession, and it records the loses as... 1, 1
If u then went on to say lose 3 units (trying to regain Ur position) it would
record it thus.....1, 1, 3
The softwares Strategy then in recovery, is to take each lose on it own, and cancel it out with a win.
I found my guess on Red/Black to be equal, or better than the Softwares bet, but i found the idea of spreading the lose (when large loses have occurred) over several phases interesting.
At one time, the Fisher, was recovering a 48 unit loss, so when in with a 16, 16, 16 three stage sequence to recover at a slower pace than a straight natural 48 unit Martingale progression bet.
There are better Bots i feel, and its too limited just on ONE aspect of EC betting.
Quote from: malcop on Oct 28, 10:14 PM 2010
Hi Twister,
I'm sorry I missed this thread I would have warned you not to use this software unless you are prepared to keep pumping money in as your draw-down gets very large!!!
I tested this software about 3 to 4 months ago when they were offering a three day trial, it worked great for a while and then the losing runs started to kick in and wiped out all the profits I had made.
I un-installed the software straight away!
Thanks
malcop
No worries buddy :)
Mine is uninstalled now :D
Hmmm...looks as though this one might wither on the vine because of spikes in outlays -- something that puts a lot of people off, of course.
That's unless someone can come up with a modified strategy that evens things out a bit more.
Well funny u should mention that.
I ran the software (lets call it a Bot, tho rally its more like a semi-Bot)
along side my own play, and sometimes took the notice of it, and at other times- ignored it.
It does monitor the R/B play since u input the resulting spins, onto the Fisher table layout, and it calculates ur losses and wins. So one could use it to aid game play, being at all times cautious
about the progression it will suggest should u be taking a down draw.
@chrisbis
Lateral thinking at its best! Whatever you sprinkle on your breakfast cereal I'd like some too. ;)
That was a good idea to run it in tandem as a sort of mirror to be followed or ignored according to outlays.
Thanx,
Porridge at the mo. Various flavours tho. ;D
Getting near winter time in the UK.
Hey guys,
There is no need to buy a software just set time/date when the trial begin. . and you have the full working software!!!By the way i have tryed couple a months ago and i think it's a very good system but only with a good bankroll!!
Hi. Peconi86
What do u mean "Set the Time and Date"??
Explain please..
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 30, 02:14 PM 2010
Hi. Peconi86
What do you mean "Set the Time and Date"??
Explain please..
He meant you should change the time and date on your computer to try and fool the trial period but that does not always work!
Esp since its an internet download, and it gets the date from the world clock i think.
Maybe there's a way, but this software is not worth the asking price in my view, but learn the betting/spread technique, and then play on Ur own merits.
Ok, I purchased the software.
Sure hope I get updates.
Here is a video of it.
I lost.
Need a bigger bank balance.
Fisher Roulette Software V1.03 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=HHq3QmzWL60#)
Here is another video of me playing with the Fisher Roulette Software.
This time playing at BetVoyager.
Fisher Roulette Software V1.03: Video 2 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=uwEvkIKxHzA#)
Did a lot better this time.
Had a bigger bank balance.
And I can use smaller chip units.
LoL
A $37 bank and using $1 bets on your first video was always going to be a bit optimistic!!
According to the site, the SAFEST Estimated Bankroll Required is $2000 for $1 bets.
By now you've probably found the bankroll table towards the bottom of the page.
I suspect you have because your 2nd video certainly had a more suitable bank for the 0.10 chips.
As you wistfully said towards the end it would be easier if it was automatic.
UPDATED INFORMATION
One of my questions to the author was to do with bankroll/bet sizes.
Johann replied:
"But I found out with testing (I did a LOT of testing) that sometimes
the amounts of the ebook were too low for the system to work...
(maybe also caused by the fact that some casino softwares are not so
random as they say it is...)
If people stick to the bankroll needed from MY table, they shouldn't
need oxygen.
They should have the feeling that at all times they will come out as a winner.
And they will if the software is real RNG or if they play a live wheel online roulette table."
He also went on to say he was busy at the moment, so the automatic version won't happen for a while, but he does eventually intend to produce one.
Quote from: esoito on Oct 31, 03:20 AM 2010
LoL
A $37 bank and using $1 bets on your first video was always going to be a bit optimistic!!
According to the site, the SAFEST Estimated Bankroll Required is $2000 for $1 bets.
By now you've probably found the bankroll table towards the bottom of the page.
I suspect you have because your 2nd video certainly had a more suitable bank for the 0.10 chips.
As you wistfully said towards the end it would be easier if it was automatic.
Na...
Don't read manuals.
Umm, but I just purchased on on Baccarat.
If anyone wishes to help with it.
Let me know.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Oct 31, 03:56 AM 2010
Na...
Don't read manuals.
The table is towards the end of the Fisher home page!
Umm, but I just purchased on on Baccarat.
Not sure what you mean, here.
If anyone wishes to help with it.
Let me know.
Quote from: esoito on Oct 31, 04:04 AM 2010
Err,yeah...
Just my warped Australian sense of humour.
Though I still got this ebook on baccarat.
Need an expert to assist me with it.
Or at least someone that plays baccarat.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Oct 31, 04:09 AM 2010
Err,yeah...
Just my warped Australian sense of humour.
Though I still got this ebook on baccarat.
Need an expert to assist me with it.
Or at least someone that plays baccarat.
I suggested to you before -- ask Malcop. He's a baccarat expert.
Not to be to critical.
But do you know how to quote things?
QuoteI suggested to you before -- ask Malcop. He's a baccarat expert.
See how I put that quote?
Not put my message within the quote itself.
Makes posts confusing when you do that.
Your final words Thomas " I dont have enough"
Im sorry to say that will be your experience more often than not with that System, imo
Please do more vids so we can see ure progress :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 31, 05:03 AM 2010
Your final words Thomas " I don't have enough"
I'm sorry to say that will be your experience more often than not with that System, in my opinion
Please do more vids so we can see your progress :thumbsup:
ROFL...
Hmmm, I do so many vids.
It is hard to keep track.
Only wish that the software was automated.
@Tom.
Do U think the software is following just Red/Black movements,
or is it following the pathways of wheel movements, and the likely
outcome of the result (on a RED/BLACK basis for now)
based on the share of the spins in each sector of the wheel?
Glad someone else plays on Eurogrand, but it seem so easy to lose there!!
C
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 31, 05:20 AM 2010
@Tom.
Do you think the software is following just Red/Black movements,
or is it following the pathways of wheel movements, and the likely
outcome of the result (on a RED/BLACK basis for now)
based on the share of the spins in each sector of the wheel?
Glad someone else plays on Eurogrand, but it seem so easy to lose there!!
C
Send me a pm.
And I will send you the manual if you wish.
But I think it follows a pattern.
Works even better on BV no zero.
Does BV no zero have tight upper limits on the table?
(Designed to stop Martingale progression)
Because if it does, then at some point on the Fisher, when it is attempting to recover losses, u Will be staking 144 units on a single Red/Black outcome.
i say this, because its exactly what happen to me within my 3day trial run of the Fisher software.
Tom, is the purchased manual different from the 3 Day trial manual?
@Thomas
Can't have you getting confused!! LoL
I'll do the quotes 'the other way' for you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Oct 31, 03:56 AM 2010
Na...
Don't read manuals.
Umm, but I just purchased on on Baccarat.
If anyone wishes to help with it.
Let me know.
Hi Thomas,
I just noticed my name being bandied around as a Baccarat Expert, don't believe in experts but I know a bet about Baccarat, I'm sure most of you know that I'm the malcop from the sniperbaccarat website.
If I can be of any help just ask you have my skype address ect.
Thanks
malcop
.... Malcop, from the forum sniperbaccarat.com.......?
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Carlitos on Oct 31, 07:28 AM 2010
.... Malcop, from the forum sniperbaccarat.com.......?
Carlitos 8)
Yes that is me!
I am here only for the Roulette if you want to talk to me about Baccarat then do it on my forum, I'm just here for the Roulette nothing else.
Thanks
malcop
.... ok :thumbsup:
Carlitos 8)
Hi Guys,
If any body still has this software use it with progression 5, 8, 13 ,21 ,34, 55 ,89, 144 when you win after a loss take one step back till back in profit Its been working for me for the past 6 months. Do not use the softwares progression unless you have a massive bank roll. Make £25 each session which should take between 15 and 30 mins DONT BE GREADY and you will do well :wink:
Stop digging old threads. And we all know its a scam you don't actually win!
Quote from: weddings on Apr 02, 10:01 AM 2013
Stop digging old threads. And we all know its a scam you don't actually win!
Sure u can't with such approach....only on paper,but try it in casino and u will get pockets
full of air,and maybe wet panties.Many very courageous guys here playing virtually.
I suppose the Fibonacci betting could hold up for six months if you play only once in the six months, and leave when you won 2 units >:D
Ok it is official, it has failed the BettingsystemTruths test. Check it out if you want.
link:://:.bettingsystemtruths.com/tag/fisher-roulette-software/ (link:://:.bettingsystemtruths.com/tag/fisher-roulette-software/)
Interesting site!! ;)
To any readers of this debunked topic, for starters, the book in question was written in 1924 by an author named J. M. Down, under the nom-de-plume " Billiken".
The so-called "Fisher Strategy", according to the legendary BS fabricater, Martin Silverthorne, just "happened" to fall out of the back of the book, and was neatly handwritten on a few looseleaf pages.
According to his Fable, the book had lain idle for years, and the notes in the back, in french no less, just now happened to draw his attention!
Ask yourselves this, if this really was the "Holy Grail", (which it is not!) why didn't "Silvertongue" just start making an ever increasing fortune out of it?
When I personally see him driving his Lamborghini onto the airport restricted apron, and then boarding his private jet, I may start taking him more seriously!