If it doesn't work flat betting it won't work .
No shit I wish people would stop say this crap it's gambling .
And games are made for you to progress on your bets or you won't win. And if you have a bet that wins flat bet let's have but I doubt it .
How many times are people going to say this .it just as bad as trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results .
let me tell you a couple of words, you don't need a system that wins ALWAYS flatbetting in order to make profits.
it's enough if you have a system that tends to win flatbetting regularly.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 20, 05:25 PM 2018
let me tell you a couple of words, you don't need a system that wins ALWAYS flatbetting in order to make profits.
it's enough if you have a system that tends to win flatbetting regularly.
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And the system is?
Quote from: Winner on Apr 20, 06:01 PM 2018
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 20, 05:25 PM 2018
let me tell you a couple of words, you don't need a system that wins ALWAYS flatbetting in order to make profits.
it's enough if you have a system that tends to win flatbetting regularly.
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And the system is?
The system either you find it by yourself, or you copy&paste it from someone else... if nothing worked, you still have a choice: buy a professional system.
Quote from: Winner on Apr 20, 05:16 PM 2018
If it doesn't work flat betting it won't work .
No shit I wish people would stop say this crap it's gambling .
And games are made for you to progress on your bets or you won't win. And if you have a bet that wins flat bet let's have but I doubt it .
How many times are people going to say this .it just as bad as trying to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results .
Do you suggest a positive prog, up as you win, or negative, up as you lose? For sure, neg progs are powerful (Martingale a good example, W/L ratio of 1:8 and still win). Pos prog are safer...
Which one did you mean?
If a method/strategy/system work flat betting, then you of course only want to use an up as you win progression based on betting a percentage of your bankroll. There's absolutely no comparing an up as you lose verses and up as you win. The up as you win will inevitably win thousands of times more than the up as you lose. Plus the initial bets can be much higher, enabling you to win more from the start.
Ok, the Question here:
If a system does not win flat, could it work with positive prog?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 20, 08:27 PM 2018
Ok, the Question here:
If a system does not win flat, could it work with positive prog?
In the long run, NO. It's for the same reason that you can't multiply a negative number times a positive one and produce a positive number.
If there's no edge then an up as you lose progression (chasing your losses) is merely borrowing from the future to pay for the current.
Quote from: The General on Apr 20, 08:17 PM 2018The up as you win will inevitably win thousands of times more than the up as you lose.
Thank you General. This is the advice i needed! :)
Quote from: The General on Apr 20, 08:30 PM 2018
In the long run, NO. It's for the same reason that you can't multiply a negative number times a positive one and produce a positive number.
If there's no edge then an up as you lose progression (chasing your losses) is merely borrowing from the future to pay for the current.
I meant: can a slightly losing flat-bet system become a winner using a up-as-you-win, i.e.positive, progression?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 20, 09:09 PM 2018
I meant: can a slightly losing flat-bet system become a winner using a up-as-you-win, i.e.positive, progression?
Ok.. think of it like this. Slightly losing = (-.001 long term expectation) x (
betting amount) = ???
Now, what betting amount can you place in the equation above to produce a positive number when you do the multiplication?
The answer is NONE. Unless you can bet a negative amount of money, you can't.
I see, you're right.
Pretty simple... basic maths...
How's that for flat betting!
It's only 98 spins. So?
He ll start agian after 98 spin and keep playing another 98 and keep winning untill it become 980000 spin. That will definitely make sense for u
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 20, 10:33 PM 2018
How's that for flat betting!
Hey bigbroben, here's mine. ;)
Quote from: The General on Apr 20, 11:10 PM 2018
It's only 98 spins. So?
Do you advocate playing every spin/hand/throw of the dice or ONLY when the conditions are right before you can call a system or method the HG?
eg the one I am playing at the moment I have played 70 games in 1 month and 10 days after the trigger indicated the right conditions and I have won 67 lost 2 and tied 1 for a 751 euro profit. Is this still a losing system?
Cheers,
Ricky
Can a player win if he plays every spin ?
Yes, if he plays with an edge over the game.
He won't win every game, he wins the games that the edge gives him.
Fact is he has to play every spin for the edge to kick in.
The more he plays the more he wins.
The player does not know if individual spin wins but as a collective total he knows his edge.
Imagine AP plays with edge of 30% ie. winrate of 65%.
The problem is the security surveillance will easily spot such AP in action.
The bigger issue at hand is how to play this 30% edge without getting caught. :question:
Btw I don't play systems.
I guess every good system has its own trigger. Yes, aiming to enter the game when an unbalance is detected ( trigger) probably helps.
Different choices: run the unbalance ride; play for a return to normal, hit-and-run.
For sure, using a system no matter what the conditions are loses in the long run.
What's your favorite unbalance? !
Cont'd from previous game. Is 508 spins enough? Was playing last 29 nrs to hit, no trigger, always there. I am surprised it did not tank more than that. bet on 29nrs, 8 free ( was actually trying the ''reverse'' Vaddis 8 nrs). Will not continue to 2000 spins, it'll take forever.
Higher lows but lower highs?!?
Quote from: cht on Apr 21, 12:17 AM 2018
Can a player win if he plays every spin ?
Yes, if he plays with an edge over the game.
He won't win every game, he wins the games that the edge gives him.
Fact is he has to play every spin for the edge to kick in.
The more he plays the more he wins.
The player does not know if individual spin wins but as a collective total he knows his edge.
Imagine AP plays with edge of 30% ie. winrate of 65%.
The problem is the security surveillance will easily spot such AP in action.
The bigger issue at hand is how to play this 30% edge without getting caught. :question:
AP, if I understand, is playing with the hidden computer?
That's b&m.
How to get an edge online?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 21, 12:22 AM 2018
AP, if I understand, is playing with the hidden computer?
That's b&m.
How to get an edge online?
AP is short for advantage play.
It simply means the player plays the game with an advantage.
For roulette, it means AP knows which pocket(s) the ball is more likely to land in.
This is the use of the input variables, example speed of wheel and ball etc.
Roulette computers is a tool used to make the math calculations, mostly statistical calculations rather than physics calculations.
This calculations can be done with our brain.
The arguments for rc is in the accuracy of the speeds that result in more exact calculations.
That's not the complete picture.
There are discretionary adjustments that the rc cannot compensate for unless such application for discretion is pre-programmed. There is also the outside the specs conditions that the rc was not programmed to handle that result in nonsensical output.
So to say broadly that rc is the superior way is not accurate.
Besides the illegality issue in most jurisdiction.
And that you will be easily identified as an AP with action from the casino.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 21, 12:22 AM 2018
AP, if I understand, is playing with the hidden computer?
That's b&m.
How to get an edge online?
The same way with b&m casino.
The common limitation is the time from spin to nmb is small or none.
You are well verse with math, you spend a lot of time with system play.
If there is one tip for you(anyone) it's to spend more if not all of your focus and time to learn
visual ballistic if you are serious to profit from the game.
You made some assumptions about rcs. Well made computers reject nonsensical input. If they are made well, the only advantage vb has is not needing equipment. But its not that important if the rc wont even be detected with a strip search.
Who needs flat betting when flat betting works?!?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 22, 02:33 PM 2018
Who needs flat betting when flat betting works?!?
Why do you post the betting results of only 97 spins on a graph? That's so few spins that it's statistically insignificant.
I know!
Simply having fun!
Quote from: The General on Apr 22, 02:35 PM 2018
Why do you post the betting results of only 97 spins on a graph? That's so few spins that it's statistically insignificant.
Ok, I'll continue the game, as soon as the kids are asleep (which is why I had to make it short).
If I continue and lose, I'll blame it on you! ;)
No success last forever, but it's not you fault, General...
Flatbetting is tough...
Back to zero at spin 257...
I'm not sure what it is that you're testing but...
You haven't tested many spins. You could have merely encountered some variance. The variance on a low edge method could easily be 800 to 1200 units. This is why I keep saying that small sample testing is basically futile/meaningless. You need to test around 10k to 50k spins at a time.
Best of luck,
-The General
I agree with you.
The only way I see to go to 50k spins is per Excel, and I'm not that good in programming all sorts of conditions, sequences and all that stuff. I must learn way more about this to be at ease with it.
Nevertheless, I am glad to see that some ways of betting , although flat, can show positive results for a few 10, 100 spins. Encouraging.
The tough part, I guess, is to detect the tipping point, where a good tendency becomes exhausted.
Perhabs, like they say, leave the party before it gets too fun, and switch to a new game...
Tell me, did YOU find a way to profit from roulette so far? Not saying HG, or whatever, just: are you in profit or loss overall since you started?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 22, 10:07 PM 2018
Tell me, did YOU find a way to profit from roulette so far? Not saying HG, or whatever, just: are you in profit or loss overall since you started?
Yes, I did. It's my job.
It's not a big secret either. I play visual ballistics on some wheels. Wheel bias on others. Sometimes a combination of both.
If people really want to get the edge and win, then they can. The problem is that many of the people on the board are only young kinds interested in playing online, aren't willing to put forth any real effort, or exert themselves mentally. If it doesn't give them immediate gratification, then they're usually not interested in it.
Well I'm pretty much relying on RNG so far, I have no time to go to real casinos ( never did go either).
I guess I compare to someone willing to become a doctor: you gotta be good at medicine school before to be a good doctor.
So I'm running my tests, learning, then when I'm good I'll test fo real...
Lately I've read, and thought over, this flatbet motto.
This forum brings lots of ideas, I like it. Motivating...
Regarding RNGs
You're not going to find a traditional system that works.
Do NOT think of the RNG game as being like the real game. They're not. You have to think differently.
Here's the direction in which I'd look if I had to look into RNGs. Here's kind of an example.
Very carefully sync your clocks with the game clock that you're playing.
Generate the spins at precise intervals. (For example every other second.)
Collect several thousand trials
Check chi square
Repeat and change the intervals.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 22, 10:32 PM 2018
Well I'm pretty much relying on RNG so far, I have no time to go to real casinos ( never did go either).
I guess I compare to someone willing to become a doctor: you gotta be good at medicine school before to be a good doctor.
So I'm running my tests, learning, then when I'm good I'll test fo real...
Lately I've read, and thought over, this flatbet motto.
This forum brings lots of ideas, I like it. Motivating...
You can practise "wheel clocking" with online live dealer wheels.
The best and most important skill to acquire with the roulette game.
Quote from: cht on Apr 22, 11:33 PM 2018You can practise "wheel clocking" with online live dealer wheels.
The best and most important skill to acquire with the roulette game.
Unfortunately, not really. The video quality from the online casinos just isn't quite good enough.
A better resource would be to gain access to the high quality Donna Amon spins, and upload them to Avidemux software.
I started by watching jafco youtube videos. MrPerfect has a running commentary to explain abit. He has a new thread if anyone is interested.
Practise with online live dealer wheels.
Then the b&m etg live dealer machines.
Last the actual manual tables - 100+ of them.
Never turn back since.
About rc, not necessary really.
With VB there's more than enough.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Maybe for some kind of primitive dealer's signature, but not real vb.
Mr. Perfect is wrong IF he says that online casinos have a good enough video feed.
Not sure why you are so hang up with online live dealer videos.
Everyone knows it's not perfect. BUT it's a place to get started no matter how crude it may be.
You want real stuff then get your arse to a real wheel in b&m casino.
The problem with the online wheels is that you can't perceive the ball speeds accurately enough and you can't perceive the change in wheel speeds accurately enough because of the RRS system. You can if you're in the casino looking at it, but not online.
Without divulging anything, 60% of online live dealer wheels can beaten with a 30% edge.
Says who? For starters the scatter is toO long to yield an edge that high. Secondly the RRS will destroy an online player because they can't perceive the speed change accurately enough. The player would have to see the wheel in person to overcome it. IF he said it, then Mr. Perfect is exaggerating.
Quote from: The General on Apr 23, 01:25 AM 2018
The problem with the online wheels is that you can't perceive the ball speeds accurately enough and you can't perceive the change in wheel speeds accurately enough because of the RRS system. You can if you're in the casino looking at it, but not online.
VB guys can not beat online wheels :lol:
If there's any AP/rc who can beat online live dealer wheels, pls indicate below.
It's good to know if there's anyone out there who can. :thumbsup:
I like to believe steve rc can, can you confirm ?
Quote from: cht on Apr 23, 02:11 AM 2018
If there's any AP/rc who can beat online live dealer wheels, pls indicate below.
It's good to know if there's anyone out there who can. :thumbsup:
I like to believe steve rc can, can you confirm ?
I'm right here. AP and professional. At best you'll acquire nothing more than a trivial edge using VB or an RC online.
Lets read what steve have to say about this.
Interesting topic to learn about others pov. :thumbsup:
I disagree on this one. There are currently about 5 online wheels we can beat with computers with an edge between 5-40%. The 5% is a black slingshot wheel with predictions 20 seconds before the ball falls. The rotor speed changes are not as serious as you'd think. Maybe it's wheel settings. My software shows the predicted vs actual rotor orientation in real time. The typical angle difference is between 90 and 180 degrees which still results in an edge.
There are other wheels that give over 50% but they close bets before the spin. Often they can be beaten with a combination of approaches though with much smaller edges so monitoring edge is critical, or you end up avoiding the correct sector.
Of the viable wheels, with computer and predictions in time, the usual result is 15-25%. But still we don't bother with online casinos. A few times now we were refused payout. It's too easy for online casinos to monitor everything, and its cumbersome working with multiple accounts needing real ID. Its very different in real casinos and we have much greater selection of wheels.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 23, 02:50 AM 2018
I disagree on this one. There are currently about 5 online wheels we can beat with computers with an edge between 5-40%. The 5% is a black slingshot wheel with predictions 20 seconds before the ball falls. The rotor speed changes are not as serious as you'd think. Maybe it's wheel settings. My software shows the predicted vs actual rotor orientation in real time. The typical angle difference is between 90 and 180 degrees which still results in an edge.
There are other wheels that give over 50% but they close bets before the spin. Often they can be beaten with a combination of approaches though with much smaller edges so monitoring edge is critical, or you end up avoiding the correct sector.
Of the viable wheels, with computer and predictions in time, the usual result is 15-25%. But still we don't bother with online casinos. A few times now we were refused payout. It's too easy for online casinos to monitor everything, and its cumbersome working with multiple accounts needing real ID. Its very different in real casinos and we have much greater selection of wheels.
Excellent news!
New day starting with quite positive information from you, I trust you ! But I want something from you :
Send a computer to each member and we will be delighted to test it and if if we manage to win with it, we will pay you back
What do you say ?
:xd:
Also about 80% of the time the video is ok. It depends on how they buffer. If there are skips, then they play havoc. It reduces edge but not usually eliminate it. If the feed just skips frames then we still lose accuracy but its bearable. My hybrid software monitors the important parts in real time so issues are easy to identify.
If you doubt an of this id be happy to show some videos in private. But will have to be at least few days as im away.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 23, 02:56 AM 2018
Excellent news!
New day starting with quite positive information from you, I trust you ! But I want something from you :
Send a computer to each member and we will be delighted to test it and if if we manage to win with it, we will pay you back
What do you say ?
:xd:
The last time i sent out bulk free computers in a profit split arrangement with little screening, most players didn't dedicate the time or weren't organized. Now the screening process is much tighter. See :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/
But in the coming month or so there will be another computer version that almost anyone can get free with profit split arrangement. Because you use your own phone and equipment and the app sends precise timings remotely. Its almost already done but a few lines of source code need to change.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 23, 02:56 AM 2018
Also about 80% of the time the video is ok. It depends on how they buffer. If there are skips, then they play havoc. It reduces edge but not usually eliminate it. If the feed just skips frames then we still lose accuracy but its bearable. My hybrid software monitors the important parts in real time so issues are easy to identify.
If you doubt an of this id be happy to show some videos in private. But will have to be at least few days as im away.
I thought so too. :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Apr 22, 10:10 PM 2018
Yes, I did. It's my job.
It's not a big secret either. I play visual ballistics on some wheels. Wheel bias on others. Sometimes a combination of both.
If people really want to get the edge and win, then they can. The problem is that many of the people on the board are only young kinds interested in playing online, aren't willing to put forth any real effort, or exert themselves mentally. If it doesn't give them immediate gratification, then they're usually not interested in it.
Hey Mr General
Is roulette really your main job/income ?
VB is quite interesting and you can make some money with it, you can even play online, i know a few wheels with 10 seconds time-to-bet, I am quite sure you wouldn't need more than 5 seconds to take the decision...
Cheers
To elaborate about the buffering. It can freeze frames, drop frames, fast forward video to catch up, drop frames etc. You need to evaluate what the video does and how it affects accuracy.
The internet route is also important. In some cases we used a remote server close to a casino server to run the computer software. This improved video frame consistency. But it isnt usually needed.
I personally believe it's possible, all what you saying might bring minimal effects, but if you are careful there shouldn't be big problems.
however VB per se isn't a guarantee that every bet you place will win, i noticed that sometimes the wheel runs really chaotically and VB can't win under these conditions..
best condition for VB is when the wheel is not moving too fast...
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 23, 03:31 AM 2018
I personally believe it's possible, all what you saying might bring minimal effects, but if you are careful there shouldn't be big problems.
however VB per se isn't a guarantee that every bet you place will win, i noticed that sometimes the wheel runs really chaotically and VB can't win under these conditions..
best condition for VB is when the wheel is not moving too fast...
Most(80+%) online wheels moves in normal speed.
Video issues can be almost unnoticeable and still be a problem. There are lots of different variables. You need to know how to evaluate everything and figure out where inaccuracies are coming from. Then implement a solution if possible.
Quote from: cht on Apr 23, 03:49 AM 2018
Most(80+%) online wheels moves in normal speed.
Not always!
Unfortunately a lot of fallacies have been spread here in this forum, wrong information, wrong assumptions...
If everything is NORMAL as you claim then no one would have lost, and we would have been all sitting now in the Champs-Élysées, eating croissant and reading Newspaper!
roulette is built to not be defeated, put that in head... the casino as well as the wheel manufacturers are doing all possible to increase the wheel's chaos.
returning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying.
if
Quote from: cht on Apr 23, 03:49 AM 2018
Most(80+%) online wheels moves in normal speed.
Not always!
Unfortunately a lot of fallacies have been spread here in this forum, wrong information, wrong assumptions...
If everything is NORMAL as you claim then no one would have lost, and we would have been all sitting now in the Champs-Élysées, eating croissant and reading Newspaper!
roulette is built to not be defeated, put that in head... the casino as well as the wheel manufacturers are doing all possible to increase the wheel's chaos.
returning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying, and sometimes they run extremly fast!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 23, 04:36 AM 2018
Not always!
Unfortunately a lot of fallacies have been spread here in this forum, wrong information, wrong assumptions...
If everything is NORMAL as you claim then no one would have lost, and we would have been all sitting now in the Champs-Élysées, eating croissant and reading Newspaper!
roulette is built to not be defeated, put that in head... the casino as well as the wheel manufacturers are doing all possible to increase the wheel's chaos.
returning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying, and sometimes they run extremly fast!
So to you, most of the online wheels run on fast speed and are chaotic.
Perhaps you should look at b&m wheels, you most likely post here that the wheels are ALL super fast and madly chaotic. ;D
I don't play online casino.
I was recommending to practise VB skills in the comfort of your home. :)
Quote from: cht on Apr 23, 04:52 AM 2018
So to you, most of the online wheels run on fast speed and are chaotic.
Perhaps you should look at b&m wheels, you most likely post here that the wheels are ALL super fast and madly chaotic. ;D
I don't play online casino.
I was recommending to practise VB skills in the comfort of your home. :)
No not all, I just said online wheels vary their speed continuously.
Quote from: The General on Apr 22, 10:42 PM 2018
Regarding RNGs
You're not going to find a traditional system that works.
Do NOT think of the RNG game as being like the real game. They're not. You have to think differently.
Here's the direction in which I'd look if I had to look into RNGs. Here's kind of an example.
Very carefully sync your clocks with the game clock that you're playing.
Generate the spins at precise intervals. (For example every other second.)
Collect several thousand trials
Check chi square
Repeat and change the intervals.
Such a limited view.
Quotereturning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying.
So? VB players easily adapt to changing wheel speeds. If the video feed isn't good enough, then there can be a problem if the wheel speed is changing after the ball has been spun. In person, it's easy to adapt to it. But online, the image quality and streaming just isn't good enough.
Quotereturning to your point, no the online wheels dont run always with normal speed, their speed is varying, and sometimes they run extremly fast!
What do you mean when you say that they run extremely fast? Do you mean that they spin fast or that they produce a lot of spins per hour? If so, then that's good! The faster the game the better. Most live games run too slowly.
Or are you referring to the speed of the rotor?
On the ones that I have viewed the rotor spins very very slowly. Even the fastest rotors are still slower than what I see in BM casinos.
QuoteVideo issues can be almost unnoticeable and still be a problem.
I have Google fiber, 1000 mega bits per second...but I have yet to see an online casino that didn't have video problems with missing frames in the video, hesitation, etc... So
I don't believe that a 30% edge is possible online, until someone can prove me wrong by providing a link to an online casino with a good enough video feed.
The next issue is the scatter. The scatter on most online wheels is pretty weak. Definitely too weak to yield a 30% edge.
Again, if someone thinks that they can prove me wrong then provide a link to an online casino wheel that has acceptable scatter and provide a graph of the scatter profile.
General....why dont you give some vb lessons? That would help a lot more than just preaching
Quote from: denzie on Apr 23, 12:48 PM 2018
General....why dont you give some vb lessons? That would help a lot more than just preaching
No, because I don't believe that VB is very effective online. Furthermore online casinos are very predatory, have a history of excluding winners and keeping their money.
Quote from: The General on Apr 23, 01:01 PM 2018
No, because I don't believe that VB is very effective online. Furthermore online casinos are very predatory, have a history of excluding winners and keeping their money.
No no not for online ....
Quote from: The General on Apr 23, 01:01 PM 2018
No, because I don't believe that VB is very effective online. Furthermore online casinos are very predatory, have a history of excluding winners and keeping their money.
No landbased casino's.
Quote from: denzie on Apr 23, 12:48 PM 2018
General....why dont you give some vb lessons? That would help a lot more than just preaching
Denzie, eye on the wheel and ball.
Have you not improved since you started ?
VB is not difficult to get edge of 30+%. Learn the real VB, it's not complicated that people make it out to be.
Tip about VB posted online - those that sound logical and look like genuine VB is bs. Truth is those are theoretical that appeal to the logical mind, it never work with real casino playing conditions that's actually very chaotic. Anyone can write logical bs.
Real VB is simple, effective and produces the results in actual chaotic playing conditions, not to appeal to theory just to satisfy the logical mind.
No one will teach the real VB skill, not even at a price. You work alone or with family members. Hint like this tip yes, that's all.
The real problem is how to overcome the short time window from spin to nmb.
The player can beat the wheel with 50% edge but it's useless when that betting window is small or non-existant.
In b&m casino it is hard to find large enough betting window.
This means even if you have acquired VB skills you still can't make money. There is limited to no opportunity for you to place your bets.
When you get around this stumbling block only then you can use VB to make money.
Take time to look at the games played in b&m casino, see how many successful bets placed after spin ?
Few bets placed after nmb, successful bets almost none.
CHT,
Have you played any types of vb in the past? As in real vb, not some kind of dealer's signature?
If so, then what do you feel was the most difficult part?
I see that you feel that there aren't any opportunities for vb. Does that mean that you feel that there are no opportunities for an RC player either? I'm guessing that you're perhaps in the UK? (I've heard that the UK is a tougher zone to effectively play.)
Quote from: The General on Apr 23, 09:55 PM 2018
CHT,
Have you played any types of vb in the past? As in real vb, not some kind of dealer's signature?
If so, then what do you feel was the most difficult part?
I see that you feel that there aren't any opportunities for vb. Does that mean that you feel that there are no opportunities for an RC player either? I'm guessing that you're perhaps in the UK? (I've heard that the UK is a tougher zone to effectively play.)
I have have played with this over the years but for me it's not consistent enough to use .you have dealer changes that speed up the rotor and throw the ball slow/ fast There were days I thought I was in culinary arts tossing salads . And then try to put your bets down before they call NMB. Oh ya and then get through all the smelly people that's a lot of fun.Not
Quote from: The General on Apr 23, 09:55 PM 2018
CHT,
Have you played any types of vb in the past? As in real vb, not some kind of dealer's signature?
If so, then what do you feel was the most difficult part?
I see that you feel that there aren't any opportunities for vb. Does that mean that you feel that there are no opportunities for an RC player either? I'm guessing that you're perhaps in the UK?
For
B&M casino.
Electronic table games with real dealer.How many machines that allow bets after spin ?
17 machines altogether, only one machine that has betting window between 5-10seconds depending on dealer how early they start the spin.
Manual tables.The old section, the croupiers allow a bit of time, say 5 -10seconds after spin at most if player push a little.
The new wing, the croupiers call nmb immediately after spin as the standard protocol they learn from their training classes.
So, isn't the opportunity to place bets after spin is very limited ?
What about security surveillance that sees you win big for bets placed after spin ? Those guys spot you easily.
VB or rc is no different that's not the problem, we face the same problematic stumbling block that is the casino security.
So we search around the world for lax protocol. Isn't it ?
Are you referring to your experiences in the UK?
Here General-man,
just a teaser for you. 120 spins, flat bet.
Seems that as soon as I try something new, it starts good... I really hope I'll figure something out.
I have to concentrate on methods, cuz Vb won't be for me in a while...
Q:
I say, the better you get with vb, the narrower the bet? From half the wheel to a third when better? betting voisins, orphelins and so on? Straight ups?
Probably no red/black...
Enjoy..
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 24, 12:10 AM 2018
Here General-man,
just a teaser for you. 120 spins, flat bet.
Seems that as soon as I try something new, it starts good... I really hope I'll figure something out.
I have to concentrate on methods, cuz Vb won't be for me in a while...
Q:
I say, the better you get with vb, the narrower the bet? From half the wheel to a third when better? betting voisins, orphelins and so on? Straight ups?
Probably no red/black...
Enjoy..
What did you do, if i May ask?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 24, 01:37 AM 2018
What did you do, if i May ask?
I'll speak in mystery... just like Vaddis and TG! (not saying I have the same...)
2 words: bunches, backward.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 24, 07:05 AM 2018
I'll speak in mystery... just like Vaddis and TG! (not saying I have the same...)
2 words: bunches, backward.
Ok, then thank you for input :thumbsup:
It's a starting line that goes backward.
A unit on all nrs behind until you encounter a nr that has one on it.
Spin. If no hit, continue: add new nr, and add units on further previous uniques until a second nr with a unit on it.
Cuz often a nr appears that was 4-5 spins earlier than your starting point.
Why do we bet 1 unit on 1 nr for a start? We want a 35:1 return and hope for luck.
Why do we bet 1 unit on 2 nr after? We want a 17:1 return and hope for luck.
And then at some point we've spent 36 units hoping for a better than 1:1 return. Then we might continue and spend 120 units to get a hit (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15...)
You'll for sure not get the 35:1 return but you'll lose less when a nr comes when betting 15 nrs, cuz you'll have bet, example, 6nrs, then 12, then 15, so spent 33 and gained 36, instead of spending 120.
This was a first trial, testing and hoping for a recovery right now, I'll see if it comes back, otherwise I'll change strategy...
Quote from: cht on Apr 23, 10:12 PM 2018
For B&M casino.
Electronic table games with real dealer.
How many machines that allow bets after spin ?
17 machines altogether, only one machine that has betting window between 5-10seconds depending on dealer how early they start the spin.
Manual tables.
The old section, the croupiers allow a bit of time, say 5 -10seconds after spin at most if player push a little.
The new wing, the croupiers call nmb immediately after spin as the standard protocol they learn from their training classes.
So, isn't the opportunity to place bets after spin is very limited ?
What about security surveillance that sees you win big for bets placed after spin ? Those guys spot you easily.
VB or rc is no different that's not the problem, we face the same problematic stumbling block that is the casino security.
So we search around the world for lax protocol. Isn't it ?
What people don't realise is how much money VB players win(the mountain stacks of chips)
WHEN they find the opportunity to place their bets.
Quote from: cht on Apr 24, 09:35 PM 2018
What people don't realise is how much money VB players win(the mountain stacks of chips)
WHEN they find the opportunity to place their bets.
CHT,
Are you a VB player? If so, then why do you waste your time chasing systems?
Quote from: The General on Apr 24, 10:12 PM 2018
CHT,
Are you a VB player? If so, then why do you waste your time chasing systems?
If you notice, I don't waste time with roulette systems on forums.
I do play baccarat system as time-filler in between short roulette sessions. One rule I apply at the casino is to spend very little time at the roulette tables with most time at the baccarat table, so I come across as a bacs player.
Are you in the UK?
Are you in the US?
Wow! Me toO!
Quote from: The General on Apr 24, 10:55 PM 2018
Wow! Me toO!
Didn't you say last time that you are in burkinafaso ? Or was it Papua New Guinea?
Is 13k spins enough?
Flat bet on most frequent nr. Stop at 1st win in a 27-spin window.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 25, 11:07 AM 2018
Is 13k spins enough?
Flat bet on most frequent nr. Stop at 1st win in a 27-spin window.
So you bet the very First # that comes and only bet that number for 27 spins. And when not a hit on spin 27 we choose the nest First number ?
No. 1u on the most frequent.
Now betting nr4, the most frequent. Was , then 4 roared in, changed. a bit like the two tower from Denzie.
Flat, 7 spin, stop on 1st win.
:question:
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 25, 11:17 AM 2018
No. 1u on the most frequent.
Now betting nr4, the most frequent. Was , then 4 roared in, changed. a bit like the two tower from Denzie.
Flat, 7 spin, stop on 1st win.
can post a sample session of some spins, i don't follow. Well i'm Dutch, sorry :yawn:
Oups, 2 and 3 don't work on my keyboard, had to copy-paste...
27 spins, 1u on the historical most hit nr. Stop on first win in the 27spin frame.
If a nr gets caught back by another one, switch.
Now on nr 11.
This is just a test anyway. I would never sit with a diaper at a roulette table and stay for thousand spins...
Quote-Bigroben-This is just a test anyway. I would never sit with a diaper at a roulette table and stay for thousand spins...
Bigroben,
There's no difference between five 200 spin sessions and one long 1000 spin session.
Several short term sessions are the same as one longer session.
There's also no reason to skip bathroom breaks. The wheel doesn't know or care about when you take a break. If your numbers hit while you're gone it doesn't mean that you'd have hit them if you'd stayed.
Playing the game changes the game.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 25, 11:17 AM 2018
No. 1u on the most frequent.
Now betting nr4, the most frequent. Was , then 4 roared in, changed. a bit like the two tower from Denzie.
Flat, 7 spin, stop on 1st win.
Thx for showing that test. :thumbsup:
It's a tribute to you...
And the ''Daily Flat-bet Graph with only 100 spins'' is presented to you by: O0
Giorgio.
Quote from: The General on Apr 25, 03:13 PM 2018
Bigroben,
There's also no reason to skip bathroom breaks.
I shall be relieved.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 25, 10:23 PM 2018
And the ''Daily Flat-bet Graph with only 100 spins'' is presented to you by: O0
Giorgio.
Going great :thumbsup:
Giorgio who ?
Moroder. From here to eternity.
Spontaneous...
`What the hell is this? Flat bet? Yess.
I'm onto something here...
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 26, 03:29 PM 2018
`What the hell is this? Flat bet? Yess.
I'm onto something here...
Nice work man!
I expect the tide to turn but hasn't come yet.
To be seen...
test 3....
Got a dip with many repeaters, but did recover.
More testing needed ofcourse.
And i don't know if i did it exactly right. But Profit.
ET VOILA!
+1000u in 497 spins.
Flat bet.
Looks promising, what bet selection you using ?
Game 2.
601u at spin 498.
High: 617; low: -18.
Not as impressive, but encouraging results. Greater variance in this one. Might have to tweak or add a balance aspect, maybe just adjust a few parameters...
Will tell more if most of results are positive after 3/4, or 5/7, or 7/10.
Not ready to promote the system yet....
!
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 27, 10:17 AM 2018
Game 2.
601u at spin 498.
High: 617; low: -18.
Not as impressive, but encouraging results. Greater variance in this one. Might have to tweak or add a balance aspect, maybe just adjust a few parameters...
Will tell more if most of results are positive after 3/4, or 5/7, or 7/10.
Not ready to promote the system yet....
!
Good job man, i Just can't Make it work for now. Will Keep trying, it's An interesting approach.
Game 3:
Hi: 143. Low: -477. End: -141
Very rough. I saw the vulnerability of the play.
Gotta find a counter-balancing strategy when the trend is against it.
Score so far: 2/3.
Hanging on...
Pfffff, prototypes, u know...
HOLD ON TO YOUR HORSES! :smile:
I found something last night, that i don't want to keep to myself.
I don't wanna play that game anymore. It's Time we Help eachother.
A. Showed me profit after every spin cycle.
B. Works flatbetting, but a very mild progression gives the best results.
C. Has a minimum of 10 hits
D. Is easy to play.
E. Is easy to understand
F. Bankroll less then 1000 units is needed.
G. Doesn't Have a ending, play as Long as you want.
H. You can Enter the game or stop the game anytime you like.
I. It's repeaters, but in a Different way.
J. Holy Grail ???? Only tested 25 cycles of 35 spins yet, but still No loss.
25/25 cycles showed me a new High.
It's true what Turbo said about Random......it has limits, and two pigeons can't fit in a hole unless the hole is been Made bigger!
Rules come later today, i promise!
First i need to play 10 cycles to show you what i Mean and show the chart.
Stay tuned...... :thumbsup:
great news..........you just never stop your like the roulette energy bunny........
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 28, 02:25 AM 2018
Rules come later today, i promise!
Alright...
When you look at charts is funny to see things with different knowledge.
Never continue flat betting after two reversals.
Don't have time to explain, but 87% of times you get two or more reversals.
Tested with 60,000 placed bets.
Cheers
... please if you eventually have time, explain!
Seems there indeed is a rythm to roulette behavior (GF? !!!), or at least waves, could we say...
Some bunches of 100-200 spins are favorable to a system, them another 100-200 not at all.
Is this a way to identify trend change: 2 cycle/game/losses in a row?
Well, I am flat betting using even money bets, but I am not here to discuss or talk about my method. I just want to let people know that one person has simulate 60.000 placed bets for the even money and 87% of times you get at least two reversals.
This is not spins and real placed bets.
You can see on the last chart above that you get at least two reversal before the results tank.
That always happens.
You are up +3 or +10 units and then lose it all back.
But before that happens you bet into minus and break even at least twice.
Is very rare that a method tank or hit the negative results like a spike that dive at the beginning with no reversals.
So for example, your win goal is +3 units and you don't reach your win target.
Assume you are minus 2 units and then reach back to zero, one reversal and then get +2 units and then back to zero and then +1 unit and then into minus -1 unit and back to zero, second reversal. Now is time to quit and you miss out on the action and should have stopped playing when you were ahead.
This is a great lesson to learn from, you will notice that you win and break even and reach the negative area.
The lesson is that you will recognize what it means to stay ahead and quit when ahead.
Cheers
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 28, 02:25 AM 2018
Rules come later today, i promise!
First i need to play 10 cycles to show you what i Mean and show the chart.
Stay tuned...... :thumbsup:
Sounds good to me Ed! :thumbsup:
Quote from: ego on Apr 28, 10:15 AM 2018
Well, I am flat betting using even money bets, but I am not here to discuss or talk about my method. I just want to let people know that one person has simulate 60.000 placed bets for the even money and 87% of times you get at least two reversals.
This is not spins and real placed bets.
You can see on the last chart above that you get at least two reversal before the results tank.
That always happens.
You are up +3 or +10 units and then lose it all back.
But before that happens you bet into minus and break even at least twice.
Is very rare that a method tank or hit the negative results like a spike that dive at the beginning with no reversals.
So for example, your win goal is +3 units and you don't reach your win target.
Assume you are minus 2 units and then reach back to zero, one reversal and then get +2 units and then back to zero and then +1 unit and then into minus -1 unit and back to zero, second reversal. Now is time to quit and you miss out on the action and should have stopped playing when you were ahead.
This is a great lesson to learn from, you will notice that you win and break even and reach the negative area.
The lesson is that you will recognize what it means to stay ahead and quit when ahead.
Cheers
I see. Kind of a technical analysis on your br, instead of roulette outcome? I guess the br score reflects the roulette outcome-behavior.
Unlike stocks, which can tank on news, would you say roulette's random tendencies move relatively slowly? or can be anticipated?
Graph modified...
"Trading" charts with random lines and numbers to mark reversal points is voodoo technical analysis. >:D
Don't Have much Time at the moment to post the full method, because of the kids around me, but it is so simple anyone can do it and it is very efective.
Don't Judge, Just play.
1. Track 35 spins (only 1 Time)
2. Place 1u bets on All 1s.
3. Whenever a number is hit, it will be removed. (You can continue but that is another thing)
4 are betting that all, Most of the numbers turn in to 2s. That Will happen. (Random has limits.)
5. Everytime a spin missed, Just Keep goin' don't raise kust yet, too many numbers.
6. When you Have 10 numbers left and one gets hit and you are in debt, we raise +1 unit on All 10 numbers. Only +1 per hit if nessesary, so not every spin .
7. We continue this until you are in profit again(don't Have to be a new High) then All bets Goes Back to 1 unit again. After 50 cycles of 35 spins, the Most raising was 6 units, before i got to profit again. Along the way, you Will notice that you Have let's say 6 spins left until the End of the cycle and you over 100 units in profit. You then know for sure that you wil End this session i'm profit. You then Have the choose to stop or to continue to the End of the cycle and try to make a few Bucks More, it don't Have to. You Have already wom.
8. Atbthe End of the second cycle at spin 70, younwil notice that not All numbers from the first cycle Have been hit. You Will Keep those numbers on the Table, but now you Will also add All the 1s from the second cycle as well. Sometimes between 15-20 numbers. No problem. Continue the same as the First cycle ...... There was not a single cycle i wasn't in profit at some Point. If this is the case at every cycle or two that you Will Have a profit Point at some spin, then you Will Have a Holy Grail. Because that is All i need.
If i know that every cycle gives me betere 20-100 units profit i could stop and retrack again.
Alot of two's Mean alot of profit.
Make this one lose, and i Will never Talk about a HG again :lol:
Not one time profit between spin 35 and spin 105!
Prove it, that it can lose.
I Mean with graph, not numbers.
I'm prett sure it can't lose.
Even if we use a mild progression.
Try me. :girl_to:
Philip Koetsch
This is a pretty good book and worth a review/discussion.
The book is a kind of statistical analysis of what you can realistically expect with different betting strategies over the short run.
All the examples are based over 600 rounds of 100 games. So that's 60,000 games.
100 games can be considered the short run as it's possible to fit in 100 games over a couple of hours.
As a benchmark, Koetsch started the first example with just one chip each time and then progresses using different types of progressions. He limits himself to 100 chips maximum for each example and lays out the results in a table format.
He looks for what he considers to be the most useful information.
Namely
1) what are the absolute worst and best things that could theoretically happen?
2) what were the worst and best things that actually did happen in 600 rounds?
3) what were the average worst and best things that did happen?
4) what typically happens if you don't get out while your ahead , but instead play the full round of 100 games?
5) during a round, how often can you expect to get ahead by at least 10, 20 or 30 chips?
6) in a 100 game round, how many times does your bankroll net-status typically reverse from losing to winning?
7) how often does this net-status never reverse but remains losing throughout a 100 game round?
So all in all, it's a very detailed and interesting piece of analysis.
Here is the table for the first example just betting one chip for each of the 100 games.
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(link:://forumbilder.se/H6JU1/pick-2.jpg?width=150) (link:://forumbilder.se/H6JU1/pick-2)
Made a copy of this test from another topic, to lazy to write it all again saying same thing.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 28, 11:48 AM 2018
Make this one lose, and i Will never Talk about a HG again :lol:
Not one time profit between spin 35 and spin 105!
Prove it, that it can lose.
I Mean with graph, not numbers.
I'm prett sure it can't lose.
Even if we use a mild progression.
Try me. :girl_to:
It's Just math.
And even in in the worst case scenario you would lose 630 units per cycle , but Trust me, that won't ever happen.
But i would like to be Proven wrong about this one. Graph and the numbers that go with it to prove that not one profit Point can't be reached between spin 35 - 105. You May use a progression. But only the mildest Form. +1 on a losing bet or when hit and not ain profit.
But if my calculation are Right, we don't even Have to lose if we using flatbet only Without a progression. Remember 1 profit Point is All we need to make us a winner All the Time. That's the HG.
If you Have a bank of 1000 euro and play like i descibed. The road from Hell must have No End, because everytime i Have a sidestep, i Will win and turn my car and go home.
No matter how Small your profit is. If you can get it every Time you play and you are sure about that, and math proces it, you Have a HG. If tested many many cycles and never had one Time in 70 spins, that i wasn't in profit at some Point. And it don't Have to have 1.000.000 spin test to prove it. It Just needs to happen only every Time i dit at the Table, and knowing that within An hour or 1.5. hour i'm in my car again with More money then when i enterd the casino. You can win
9.125 / 36.500 a year easly. Trust me, the casino's won't be happy.
Again Just thoughts, but i haven't been Proven wrong with this one yet.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 28, 11:26 AM 2018
Don't Have much Time at the moment to post the full method, because of the kids around me, but it is so simple anyone can do it and it is very efective.
Don't Judge, Just play.
1. Track 35 spins (only 1 Time)
2. Place 1u bets on All 1s.
3. Whenever a number is hit, it will be removed. (You can continue but that is another thing)
4 are betting that all, Most of the numbers turn in to 2s. That Will happen. (Random has limits.)
5. Everytime a spin missed, Just Keep goin' don't raise kust yet, too many numbers.
6. When you Have 10 numbers left and one gets hit and you are in debt, we raise +1 unit on All 10 numbers. Only +1 per hit if nessesary, so not every spin .
7. We continue this until you are in profit again(don't Have to be a new High) then All bets Goes Back to 1 unit again. After 50 cycles of 35 spins, the Most raising was 6 units, before i got to profit again. Along the way, you Will notice that you Have let's say 6 spins left until the End of the cycle and you over 100 units in profit. You then know for sure that you wil End this session i'm profit. You then Have the choose to stop or to continue to the End of the cycle and try to make a few Bucks More, it don't Have to. You Have already wom.
8. Atbthe End of the second cycle at spin 70, younwil notice that not All numbers from the first cycle Have been hit. You Will Keep those numbers on the Table, but now you Will also add All the 1s from the second cycle as well. Sometimes between 15-20 numbers. No problem. Continue the same as the First cycle ...... There was not a single cycle i wasn't in profit at some Point. If this is the case at every cycle or two that you Will Have a profit Point at some spin, then you Will Have a Holy Grail. Because that is All i need.
If i know that every cycle gives me betere 20-100 units profit i could stop and retrack again.
Alot of two's Mean alot of profit.
Thank you jekhb76! Must be the best I've read on this forum? No hidden clues, straight to the point. Looks good on few tests I did.
Only worry can be the bankroll? It must be big.
This was a tough session, but it recovered. ( I hope I played it correct) Was down to 5 units bet, but it won.
I'll give it a shot.
Quote from: boyd30 on Apr 28, 01:01 PM 2018
This was a tough session, but it recovered. ( I hope I played it correct) Was down to 5 units bet, but it won.
By the look at your graph, i guess you didn't play it like i said. Remember, only raise when only 10 numbers or less are left, not sooner. If you get missed in the beginning, Just ride it out.
Was it -124 after First seven spins?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 28, 01:17 PM 2018
By the look at your graph, i guess you didn't play it like i said. Remember, only raise when only 10 numbers or less are left, not sooner. If you get missed in the beginning, Just ride it out.
Was it -124 after First seven spins?
I raised +1 unit when I had 10 numbers left. I don't remember exactly but I had like 15-16 numbers from the beginning. Guess I played it correct.
I'm also trying to bet on two hits from 70 spins. So far just played with one unit and won every session. But the hits must be over 10 from beginning (which don't happens always at this stage). Then it's easier to hit. I guess 14-16 hits are ideal.
Quote from: boyd30 on Apr 28, 01:28 PM 2018
I'm also trying to bet on two hits from 70 spins. So far just played with one unit and won every session. But the hits must be over 10 from beginning (which don't happens always at this stage). Then it's easier to hit. I guess 14-16 hits are ideal.
I would not Touch the 2s from spin 70+.
If you had a tough session try to proceed to 105 or spin 140. Always Keep the unhit 1s from First session and add 1s from last session etc. What you also mist Keep in mind, is to only raise (ten or less left) when you got a hit and not in profit. You don't Have to have a new High. It's All about having profit at the End, not how much. That is not important. So when you Have ten numbers left and you get a hit and your not in Any kind of profit, you remove the hitted numbers as usual and then put +1 unit on the remaining 9 numbers. Continue Spinning with 2 chips on the # until you get a hit again. Remove that number and when not in profit we raise again 1 unit. And continue Spinning with the same amount again. Etc etc. So no raising on every spin. Again you don't Always Have a profit on spin 70, but Always on spin 105. And must it Be needed, continue to the next cycle, there is No End in this.
Question to All members;
Does someone on this Forum Have an olderer Version of Roulette Extreme that i can use?
I Have Version 2.4.3.99 but since 3 weeks, it doesn't work anymore probably. It closes the Program Right in the middle of a play.
I Have contacted UX software about this, and i Have tried a new Version, but it give me the same problem.
They said that i must try to installatie it again. I did, again and again and again, but no difference. Now they say that trying to install and older Version might solve it. But i don't Have an older Version and i can't get it through UX Software.
So isntyere anyone here Who can Help me with tjis problem and share An Old working Version of rx?? Would be much appreciated.
jekhb1976hotmail.com
So not every session has to win? You can run out of number (and lose) to bet if you are unlucky, but how big chance is that?
Quote from: boyd30 on Apr 28, 02:15 PM 2018
So not every session has to win? You can run out of number (and lose) to bet if you are unlucky, but how big chance is that?
No you don't need every cycle to win, you can continue as you like until a profit is shown. But i never had a loss on spin 70-105 at the Most.
And you won't run out of numbers, because if you do, you are way ahead and if you do Run out of numbers i would stop betting and wait for the next cycle and begin again.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 28, 03:54 PM 2018
Eddy, As soon as I'm home, I'll mail you the rx with the patch.
That's very kind of you, thnx.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 28, 05:19 PM 2018
Ya esta enviado Eddy, saludos
Thank you for sending. Appreciate it.
Can someone create a code for this simple System? For RX.
Want to test this, for atleast 1000 cycles. But can't code and don't want it to do it by hand manualy. Thanx.
1. Spin 35 Times (only once)
2. Place a 1 unit bet on All the numbers that hit only 1 Time.
3. When number gets hit, remove it from the list and continue.
After 70 spins, Keep the numbers from 1st cycle that didn't hit and add All the 1 Time hitters from 2nd cycle and continue as above, by removing a number from the list when it gets hit.
4. No progression, only flatbet.
The code must be able to repeat this.
So swhen session is starter, Let it spin 35 Times, then place 1 unit on All 1s and continue up to spin 70,. From spin 70 onwards, numbers we were bet upon in our First 35 spins that didn't hit up to spin 70 Will be kept, and All 1s from second cycle Will be added. And this needs to be endless.
So after every 35 spins, the numbers that were bet and didn't hit needs to be added to the 1s of the next cycle etc etc.
Anyone?
Forgot - bankroll needs to be 1000 units with a stop / loss at 500 + / -
great results.........one question when you say after tracking spins ....you say bet all numbers that hit once ...does that mean showed for one time or repeated one time....
is this for 0 wheel or 00 wheel......and can i use 35 tracking for 00
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 29, 07:45 AM 2018
is this for 0 wheel or 00 wheel......and can i use 35 tracking for 00
If I understand correctly he`s playing the one time hitters from the previous cycle to become 2 time hitters in the next cycle and removes them as they hit. You would probably use 36 tracking for 00?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 29, 03:05 AM 2018
Can someone create a code for this simple System? For RX.
Want to test this, for atleast 1000 cycles. But can't code and don't want it to do it by hand manualy. Thanx.
1. Spin 35 Times (only once)
2. Place a 1 unit bet on All the numbers that hit only 1 Time.
3. When number gets hit, remove it from the list and continue.
After 70 spins, Keep the numbers from 1st cycle that didn't hit and add All the 1 Time hitters from 2nd cycle and continue as above, by removing a number from the list when it gets hit.
4. No progression, only flatbet.
The code must be able to repeat this.
So swhen session is starter, Let it spin 35 Times, then place 1 unit on All 1s and continue up to spin 70,. From spin 70 onwards, numbers we were bet upon in our First 35 spins that didn't hit up to spin 70 Will be kept, and All 1s from second cycle Will be added. And this needs to be endless.
So after every 35 spins, the numbers that were bet and didn't hit needs to be added to the 1s of the next cycle etc etc.
Anyone?
JEK, if a 1 x hitter from the first cycle hits in the second cycle you remove it, but what if it only hit that one time when you removed it in the second cycle do you count it is a 1 x hitter from the second cycle and add it to the third cycle?
Definition question:
Is it considered flat betting, to remain at 1u per nr but to have a variable amount of numbers?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 29, 08:46 AM 2018
Definition question:
Is it considered flat betting, to remain at 1u per nr but to have a variable amount of numbers?
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Good Question...
im confused????????........is the numbers from the first 35 tracking numbers ....are those numbers that have showed for the first time OR are the numbers that have showed up
once and then repeated( hit) for the first time........
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 29, 09:08 AM 2018
im confused????????........is the numbers from the first 35 tracking numbers ....are those numbers that have showed for the first time OR are the numbers that have showed up
once and then repeated( hit) for the first time........
You track the first 35 and in the next 35 you play all the numbers that have hit ONLY once in the first 35...
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 29, 07:40 AM 2018
great results.........one question when you say after tracking spins ....you say bet all numbers that hit once ...does that mean showed for one time or repeated one time....
All the numbers that hit once, so No repeaters, but 1s.
Quote from: keepontryin on Apr 29, 07:45 AM 2018
is this for 0 wheel or 00 wheel......and can i use 35 tracking for 00
Don't know, i live in Holland and as far as i know we have only one zere wheels here. So i play it only on 1 Zero.
Quote from: ZERO on Apr 29, 07:58 AM 2018
If I understand correctly he`s playing the one time hitters from the previous cycle to become 2 time hitters in the next cycle and removes them as they hit. You would probably use 36 tracking for 00?
Correct. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZERO on Apr 29, 08:05 AM 2018
JEK, if a 1 x hitter from the first cycle hits in the second cycle you remove it, but what if it only hit that one time when you removed it in the second cycle do you count it is a 1 x hitter from the second cycle and add it to the third cycle?
Yes. It is real Easy to play really.
Spin 0-35
Note All the 1s
Spin 36-70
Play All the 1s from spin 0-35.
Remove them when they hit.
Flatbet only, but a mild +1 progression can be used. But return to base chip once in profit again.
Spin 70-105
Keep the 1s from spin 0-35 that aren't hit to continue playing on them.
Add All the 1s from spin 35-70 to that list and continue to spin 105.
That's it really.
Few options: stop once in First profit and retrack or continue playing the cycles out. You can continue as Long as you want. Played 42 cycles now with a profit All the Time, No loss.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Apr 29, 08:46 AM 2018
Definition question:
Is it considered flat betting, to remain at 1u per nr but to have a variable amount of numbers?
Yes, a progression isn't nessesary but can be used if not comfatable. And your bankroll can handle it. But flatbetting Will Grand you a profit every cycle. Because there are some many 1s every cycle that a profit is comin' Just to KTF :smile:
Hope someone can code it for RX, so that we can play a few thousand cycles and See how it is Holding and what needs to be corrected.
I would like to Run a very big test on this, to See what the Max drawdown is but i can't code.
Would like to Run it for a day or two non stop.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 29, 12:05 PM 2018
I would like to Run a very big test on this, to See what the Max drawdown is but i can't code.
Would like to Run it for a day or two non stop.
Can someone code for RX?
I don't know RX but I can code it in another language. I have a question though : you say when starting a new cycle you bet on those #s which have hit once in the cycle just gone + the 1's in the cycle previous to it which haven't hit. But what about 1's from previous cycles? e.g. if you are starting cycle 4 you bet the 1's from cycle 3 and the 1's which didn't hit again in cycle 2, but what about if there are still #s in cycle 1 which only hit once and haven't hit since? Do you also bet those?
In other words do you only bet the 1's which haven't hit from the 2nd cycle back or do you include #s from previous cycles if there are any?
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 29, 02:42 PM 2018
I don't know RX but I can code it in another language. I have a question though : you say when starting a new cycle you bet on those #s which have hit once in the cycle just gone + the 1's in the cycle previous to it which haven't hit. But what about 1's from previous cycles? e.g. if you are starting cycle 4 you bet the 1's from cycle 3 and the 1's which didn't hit again in cycle 2, but what about if there are still #s in cycle 1 which only hit once and haven't hit since?
Cycle 1: 0-35
Track All numbers that hit 1 Time only.
Cycle 2: 35-70
Bet All 1 hit numbers from spin 0-35
Cycle 3: 70-105
Bet All 1 hit numbers from spin 35-70
And the still unhit 1 hitters from spin
0-35.
Cycle 4: 105-140
Bet All numbers from spin 70-105 and the still unhit 1 hitters from spin 0-70
Cycle 5: 140-175
Bet All numbers from spin 105-140 and the still unhit 1 hitters from spin 0-105. Etc etc etc.
Ok what stats do you want to find out from running this or do you just want to see if it wins in the long run?
Do you want me to include a +1 progression, or flat bet only?
How do i use math on this one.
Well very simple. By own Experience i never seen a single number Sleep for More then 600+ spins. Is it possible Yes, but it is very very rare. And even if it does that it wil never Sleep for that kind of period again Right after the other. There Will be multiple hits after that within above expectation.
So if we look at my System, if we take the 1 hitters from the first cycle the numbers Will be spreadout from 9 to 18 numbers.
How do i calculated?
Well quite simple really.
How Long Will 9 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 66,6 spins on average. (31sp)
How Long will 10 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 60 spins on average. (25sp)
How Long Will 11 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 54,5 spins on average. (19sp)
How Long Will 12 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 50 spins on average. (15sp)
How Long Will 13 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 46,1 spins on average. (11sp)
How Long Will 14 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 42,8 spins on average. (8 sp)
How Long Will 15 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 40 spins om average. (5 sp)
How Long Will 16 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 37,5 spins on average. (3 sp)
How Long Will 17 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 35,2 spins on average. (1 sp)
I know this is not definitieve, but An execption of what to expect. Could be 1 or 2 spins off but until now i was Right for the last 42 cycles.
If we know the above what to expect, we can now calculated how many hits we need to Always be in profit after every cycle..........
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 29, 02:58 PM 2018
Ok what stats do you want to find out from running this or do you just want to see if it wins in the long run?
Do you want me to include a +1 progression, or flat bet only?
Well at First,
Flatbet only
Max drawdown to bankroll
Average profit
Max spin until 1st profit.
And ofcourse how Long before our bank of 1000 units Will be blown.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 29, 03:09 PM 2018
How do i use math on this one.
Well very simple. By own Experience i never seen a single number Sleep for More then 600+ spins. Is it possible Yes, but it is very very rare. And even if it does that it wil never Sleep for that kind of period again Right after the other. There Will be multiple hits after that within above expectation.
So if we look at my System, if we take the 1 hitters from the first cycle the numbers Will be spreadout from 9 to 18 numbers.
How do i calculated?
Well quite simple really.
Remember, betting on the 1hit ones from the first cycle for example is the same when we would pick let's say 15 numbers from spin 1. It doesn't matter.
If you pick 15 numbers and start Spinning for 35 spins, they could be still unhit. So All spins above 35 Will be closer to a hit on one of these numbers. Everytime a number gets hit you need to recLculate.
But that's my reasoning behind my System.
How Long Will 9 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 66,6 spins on average. (31sp)
How Long will 10 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 60 spins on average. (25sp)
How Long Will 11 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 54,5 spins on average. (19sp)
How Long Will 12 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 50 spins on average. (15sp)
How Long Will 13 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 46,1 spins on average. (11sp)
How Long Will 14 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 42,8 spins on average. (8 sp)
How Long Will 15 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 40 spins om average. (5 sp)
How Long Will 16 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 37,5 spins on average. (3 sp)
How Long Will 17 numbers Sleep?
Awnser: 35,2 spins on average. (1 sp)
I know this is not definitieve, but An execption of what to expect. Could be 1 or 2 spins off but until now i was Right for the last 42 cycles.
If we know the above what to expect, we can now calculated how many hits we need to Always be in profit after every cycle..........
Ok, I'll try to do it tomorrow sometime...
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 29, 03:25 PM 2018
Ok, I'll try to do it tomorrow sometime...
Ok thanks. Remember, need to restart as soon as 1st profit is reached, then the session is closed and start again.
So how does that work exactly? Do you mean that whenever you get a new high balance you start from the beginning by tracking 35 spins again?
Does it matter, considering the odds are exactly the same on every spin, and every spin is a completely independent event?? :question:
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 30, 04:08 AM 2018
So how does that work exactly? Do you mean that whenever you get a new high balance you start from the beginning by tracking 35 spins again?
Yes and No.
After a new profit is gained, you look at the last 35 numbers and start betting the 1 hitters again. Usualy you don't Have to change much only a few numbers and continue until a next profit is gained, then retrack again.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 04:14 AM 2018
Does it matter, considering the odds are exactly the same on every spin, and every spin is a completely independent event?? :question:
Yes you are Right, it doesn't matter but we are looking at probability. 17 numbers need less spins to hit then 10. So we take advantage of that. Up till now, it's still looking good.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 04:14 AM 2018Does it matter, considering the odds are exactly the same on every spin, and every spin is a completely independent event??
I know what you're saying but If you're going to write a simulation it should simulate the system as given otherwise what's the point. If you go by the maths alone there's no need for a simulation; just calculate that all systems will lose at the rate given by the house edge. No need for a computer at all. ;D
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 30, 04:36 AM 2018
I know what you're saying but If you're going to write a simulation it should simulate the system as given otherwise what's the point. If you go by the maths alone there's no need for a simulation; just calculate that all systems will lose at the rate given by the house edge. No need for a computer at all. ;D
Exactly :thumbsup:
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 30, 04:36 AM 2018If you go by the maths alone there's no need for a simulation; just calculate that all systems will lose at the rate given by the house edge.
My point is the same approaches are being repackaged, then tested as if they were something new.
Its like a system based on reds, vs based on blacks. With proper understanding, you know it's the same damn thing. Only in the case of most systems, players arent understanding why their systems are the same repackaged nonsense.
When the working principles are new, testing is worthwhile. Why re-tesy the same thing?
And why test a complete system instead of the working principe thats supposed to change the odds.
If you don't change the odds, what have you changed?
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 06:02 AM 2018
My point is the same approaches are being repackaged, then tested as if they were something new.
Its like a system based on reds, vs based on blacks. With proper understanding, you know it's the same damn thing. Only in the case of most systems, players arent understanding why their systems are the same repackaged nonsense.
When the working principles are new, testing is worthwhile. Why re-tesy the same thing?
And why test a complete system instead of the working principe thats supposed to change the odds.
If you don't change the odds, what have you changed?
You are Right Steve, can't disagree.
But as Long something is working on More Occasions then not, then what's the problem? I'm not playing at a casino, to change the Odds, i'm there to make profit in the atleast Mount of Time.
Last Evening, i only was around one hour at the casino, drank one coffee and within one hour i went Home again, but with 132 euro profit. Wy should i stay longer? To look at the girls, or for Just having fun to hang around? I'm there for business, not for pleasure. And as soon as i Have reached my daily goal, i go home No matter how fun it is to hang around :smile:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2018
You are Right Steve, can't disagree.
But as Long something is working on More Occasions then not, then what's the problem? I'm not playing at a casino, to change the Odds, i'm there to make profit in the atleast Mount of Time.
Last Evening, i only was around one hour at the casino, drank one coffee and within one hour i went Home again, but with 132 euro profit. Wy should i stay longer? To look at the girls, or for Just having fun to hang around? I'm there for business, not for pleasure. And as soon as i Have reached my daily goal, i go home No matter how fun it is to hang around :smile:
You miss the point. If you don't change the odds (to your favour) you will not walk away with profit indefinitely.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2018But as Long something is working on More Occasions then not, then what's the problem?
If its working, keep doing it. But be realistic. Almost every system does well for a while. You think its all peachy. Then it crashes hard. The streak of luck and successful progression ends.
Do you create a new system with the same flaws, and same fate...... or, use a new approach that can give sustained winnings?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2018I'm not playing at a casino, to change the Odds, i'm there to make profit in the atleast Mount of Time.
Then you are gambling. And it doesn't matter what system you use. Because the odds and payout are the same. What would make one system win and another lose? The spins of the day being suitable for one system but not the other. Aka luck.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2018Wy should i stay longer? To look at the girls
Yes but window shopping gets old
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2018I'm there for business, not for pleasure.
Business is random bets with the casino having the definite edge?
That's all systems are. No matter how you package them.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 30, 06:15 AM 2018And as soon as i Have reached my daily goal, i go home No matter how fun it is to hang around
If a system works, the more you play, the more you profit. Leaving while you're up is smart for a gambler. But it has little place in business. It is implying you can keep doing it, but you cant with a losing system. It eventually catches you.
Why ignore approaches that can give an edge? Even just a small edge. You know its really not complicated. Often its simpler than system bet selection.
The only downside is if its too simple, you can go from hitting to avoiding the right sector. Then the odds are even worse than random.
I've taught players while ap can be super complicated with say an 8% edge, its usually better to use a simpler approach for say a 4% edge. Edge is not everything. It needs to be easy and practical enough. Basic vb and dealer signature is a good start.
If a system works, the more you play, the more you profit. Leaving while you're up is smart for a gambler.
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Yes, i'm a gambler, but with a businessind and a goal.
Well my business does quite well if you've won over 15.000 euro in the past 9 months (and that for a gambler) :lol:
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 06:53 AM 2018ve taught players while ap can be super complicated with say an 8% edge, it
Hi Steve,
I agree with your approach to the game of roulette. If you are observant enough in a live dealer BM casino environment to track the ball rotation and wheel spin you will identify a footprint in many dealer spins. You are exploiting a human weakness in the game which cannot be replicated in RNG or even in Online Casino environment where you are not close enough to the action to determine if the spins are fair and legal.
Besides that advantage what is your approach to the other aspects of gambling, numbers covered per bet, bet size, progression vs flatbetting/parlaying winnings, and time spent? When do you decide you have met your goal for the session and will stop to exploit the wheel another day? Do you follow the approach people like Brett Morton take to planning your gambling session including having Golden Tops/Jackpot targets?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 06:53 AM 2018
I've taught players while ap can be super complicated with say an 8% edge, its usually better to use a simpler approach for say a 4% edge. Edge is not everything. It needs to be easy and practical enough. Basic vb and dealer signature is a good start.
Hi Steve,
Can you briefly explain the difference between a system approach to gambling and having an edge eg in roulette? Is there any system you know that can give you an edge against the house? If so what would that system look like in terms of bet selection, progression etc?
Based on you definition of advantage play, how would you translate that to a game like Baccarat which is meant to be the most even game with the lowest house edge played in its purest form?
I am currently playing baccarat using a pattern attack method and seem to be having high success. But would you classify this as being lucky or taking advantage of a rare event? So if you identify a sequence of patterns in a game that rarely goes beyond 4 repeats, and you take advantage of this observation and start betting against it each time you see the pattern forming say 3 times, would you classify a long winning streak of 89 wins and only 3 losses over a period of 2 months being lucky or some sort of edge?
One could argue that we do not know what that next hand is going to be so we could be extremely lucky to have gambled on the hands which do not repeat a pattern 4 times. But if I consistent take this approach and do not deviate for 11 years straight and make 1 million dollars doing so would I be an Advantage Player or just one extremely lucky gambler?
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: CoderJoe on Apr 29, 03:25 PM 2018Ok, I'll try to do it tomorrow sometime...
Didn't have time yesterday, but it will be done today.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 06:02 AM 2018My point is the same approaches are being repackaged, then tested as if they were something new.
Its like a system based on reds, vs based on blacks. With proper understanding, you know it's the same damn thing. Only in the case of most systems, players arent understanding why their systems are the same repackaged nonsense.
When the working principles are new, testing is worthwhile. Why re-tesy the same thing?
What new principles would you suggest? For AP there is physics and for systems there are progressions, hot numbers, cold numbers, patterns, etc none of which can be proved to be effective mathematically, but as JEK says if something seems to be working well then why not test it to destruction using a computer? It's a helluva lot easier than doing it manually.
Ok done. I have attached the program which you run from a windows command prompt. You have to enter the name of the program "jeksystem.exe" followed by the number of cycles. e.g. to process 100 cycles you would type
jeksystem.exe 100
followed by the ENTER key. The program outputs 2 files, one with detail (small sample shown below) called "jeksystem.txt" and another one called "data.csv". The data file just lists the bankroll balance and can be opened in Excel for plotting.
If you run a lot of cycles (like 10,000 or more) it could take some time so be patient. The number at the bottom of the file is the "Yield" which is the ratio of the profit/loss to total money wagered. It's the same as the expectation, so in theory if you run a lot of cycles (1000 or more) it should equal the house edge of -2.7% or thereabouts.
QuoteGET FIRST 35 SPINS
#20
# 6
#31
#15
# 3
#11
#17
#10
#29
#30
#31
#36
# 5
#28
#14
#34
#10
#16
#31
#25
# 2
#22
#28
#15
#36
#28
#16
#11
# 9
#21
# 3
#14
# 0
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#31
START BETTING ON THE #S WHICH HAVE HIT ONCE
**** CYCLE 1
24 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,9,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 987
18 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,9,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 974
28 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,9,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 961
12 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,9,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 948
9 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,9,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
W Bank : 971
13 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 959
7 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 947
1 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 935
8 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 923
24 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 911
28 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 899
22 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,22,25,29,30,34}
W Bank : 923
36 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 912
26 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 901
2 #s bet : {0,2,5,6,17,20,21,25,29,30,34}
W Bank : 926
24 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,20,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 916
20 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,20,21,25,29,30,34}
W Bank : 942
24 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 933
1 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 924
1 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 915
11 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 906
19 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 897
26 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 888
3 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
L Bank : 879
29 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,29,30,34}
W Bank : 906
6 #s bet : {0,5,6,17,21,25,30,34}
W Bank : 934
19 #s bet : {0,5,17,21,25,30,34}
L Bank : 927
3 #s bet : {0,5,17,21,25,30,34}
L Bank : 920
22 #s bet : {0,5,17,21,25,30,34}
L Bank : 913
28 #s bet : {0,5,17,21,25,30,34}
L Bank : 906
34 #s bet : {0,5,17,21,25,30,34}
W Bank : 935
21 #s bet : {0,5,17,21,25,30}
W Bank : 965
2 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30}
L Bank : 960
18 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30}
L Bank : 955
34 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30}
L Bank : 950
**** CYCLE 2
15 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,20,21,29,36}
L Bank : 934
21 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,20,21,29,36}
W Bank : 954
33 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,20,29,36}
L Bank : 939
27 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,20,29,36}
L Bank : 924
3 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,20,29,36}
L Bank : 909
8 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,20,29,36}
W Bank : 930
3 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,13,20,29,36}
L Bank : 916
13 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,13,20,29,36}
W Bank : 938
32 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29,36}
L Bank : 925
0 #s bet : {0,5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29,36}
W Bank : 948
4 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29,36}
L Bank : 936
21 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29,36}
L Bank : 924
8 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29,36}
L Bank : 912
36 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29,36}
W Bank : 936
26 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 925
0 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 914
18 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 903
30 #s bet : {5,17,25,30,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
W Bank : 928
3 #s bet : {5,17,25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 918
31 #s bet : {5,17,25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 908
21 #s bet : {5,17,25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 898
5 #s bet : {5,17,25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
W Bank : 924
36 #s bet : {17,25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 915
17 #s bet : {17,25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
W Bank : 942
27 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 934
5 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
L Bank : 926
11 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,11,12,20,29}
W Bank : 954
27 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 947
18 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 940
4 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 933
10 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 926
5 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 919
18 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 912
8 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 905
35 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29}
L Bank : 898
**** CYCLE 3
12 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,12,20,29,10,11,13,15,17,26,30,31,32,33,35}
W Bank : 916
7 #s bet : {25,6,7,9,20,29,10,11,13,15,17,26,30,31,32,33,35}
W Bank : 935
30 #s bet : {25,6,9,20,29,10,11,13,15,17,26,30,31,32,33,35}
W Bank : 955
26 #s bet : {25,6,9,20,29,10,11,13,15,17,26,31,32,33,35}
W Bank : 976
35 #s bet : {25,6,9,20,29,10,11,13,15,17,31,32,33,35}
W Bank : 998
31 #s bet : {25,6,9,20,29,10,11,13,15,17,31,32,33}
W Bank : 1021
NEW HIGH BALANCE - RESTART
**** CYCLE 4
4 #s bet : {7,10,11,12,13,17,32}
L Bank : 1014
0 #s bet : {7,10,11,12,13,17,32}
L Bank : 1007
12 #s bet : {7,10,11,12,13,17,32}
W Bank : 1036
NEW HIGH BALANCE - RESTART
**** CYCLE 5
10 #s bet : {3,7,10,11,17}
W Bank : 1067
NEW HIGH BALANCE - RESTART
Quote from: CoderJoe on May 01, 08:14 AM 2018
Ok done. I have attached the program which you run from a windows command prompt. You have to enter the name of the program "jeksystem.exe" followed by the number of cycles. e.g. to process 100 cycles you would type
jeksystem.exe 100
followed by the ENTER key. The program outputs 2 files, one with detail (small sample shown below) called "jeksystem.txt" and another one called "data.csv". The data file just lists the bankroll balance and can be opened in Excel for plotting.
If you run a lot of cycles (like 10,000 or more) it could take some time so be patient. The number at the bottom of the file is the "Yield" which is the ratio of the profit/loss to total money wagered. It's the same as the expectation, so in theory if you run a lot of cycles (1000 or more) it should equal the house edge of -2.7% or thereabouts.
Thank you very much for all the time and effort you put into this, i really appreciate it. ^-^
Will run tests a.s.a.p.
Thanks again. :thumbsup:
Quote from: CoderJoe on May 01, 04:36 AM 2018
What new principles would you suggest? For AP there is physics and for systems there are progressions, hot numbers, cold numbers, patterns, etc none of which can be proved to be effective mathematically, but as JEK says if something seems to be working well then why not test it to destruction using a computer? It's a helluva lot easier than doing it manually.
will let you know a.s.a.p. thnx :thumbsup:
I played around bit simular in the past. Playing the 1s or 2s in second cycle.
Basicly i wait till first 1s or 2s shows and then start betting.
Looked first 10 spins in second cycle...made my decision what to play bases on what comes
:thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on May 01, 12:43 PM 2018
I played around bit simular in the past. Playing the 1s or 2s in second cycle.
Basicly i wait till first 1s or 2s shows and then start betting.
Looked first 10 spins in second cycle...made my decision what to play bases on what comes
:thumbsup:
Yes it can work very Nice. But not endlesly. But could profit from it Easy. I did so in the last nine months only a slice Different Version. But it is indeed best to kust follw the wheel.
After tests I done from RX and live spins I don't think progression is good. Been down to 5 units and still not in plus. It can really make a bÃg hole in your pocket. Either you've been very lucky jekhb76 or managed to work it out by a different money management.
Quote from: boyd30 on May 01, 04:50 PM 2018
After tests I done from RX and live spins I don't think progression is good. Been down to 5 units and still not in plus. It can really make a bÃg hole in your pocket. Either you've been very lucky jekhb76 or managed to work it out by a different money management.
Think very lucky! :thumbsup:
Progression is just a loan you pay back with interest.
QuoteProgression is just a loan you pay back with interest
not necessarily...if at certain stage is higher prob to hit you bet more chips and lower prob gets lower chips
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 05:34 PM 2018
Progression is just a loan you pay back with interest.
Hi Steve,
I assume you are referring to negative progression. Do you take advantage of positive progression using the casino money to increase your next bet using your advantage play. I guess it makes sense to do this if you are comfortable in the fact you have an advantage.
Do you use parlay (bet all or most of previous wins) for your next bet?
Cheers,
Ricky
Another flat graph, don't you love'em.
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Quote from: Ricky on May 02, 04:51 PM 2018I assume you are referring to negative progression
No I was referring to positive progression. You increase your bets to make more money, until inevitably you hit a losing streak and lose.
Quote from: Ricky on May 02, 04:51 PM 2018Do you take advantage of positive progression using the casino money to increase your next bet using your advantage play
Yes, but we have an edge to begin with.
The thing most players are missing is if the odds of winning on the next spin are the same, then all progression does is change the amount you risk. It's all explained in detail at :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/