OK, credits goes to TurboGenius. But this is only MY interpetation of what *I* saw, on "roulette-simulator" (before he censored it)...at first , i thought it was a joke, He was playing with STREETS and used a very agressive progression +2 for each spin,....also He bet 6u on one street...(i could never get that to work, drawdowns were too great), anyway here it goes; (Note. as i said- this is Not exactly how He played, but the PRINCIPLE is the same)
Procedure: BET first Sixline (doublestreet) that hits, with 3 SPLITS,(1+1+1u) now, for each spin (for each loss) +1u bet on all 3 SPLITS and 1u bet on each new DoubleStreet that hits,.. continue this procedure Until one of the DS hits. WHEN one DS hit, Reset and Re-start procedure with that single DS hit.
(Test session 1,.. 5u bets).
Tested on RNG (roulettesimulator) 1/3 Games won, soo, obviously "hotlines" doesn't matter on RNG, or else my method is failing, idk....:S will test more with live-spins
OK phew! Second LIVE-session WON. 8) ...so, im not a complete fool... just yet! ;D
I do Not Recommend RNG -play for this one.
Third Live-session won. O0
so far, so good. 4/4 Games won :thumbsup:
Hi. Looks good so far!
So, with each new DS that hits, is that 1u on the whole street, or 1u on the 3 splits? & we are only increasing bets on the 1st DS?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 03, 04:41 AM 2018
Hi. Looks good so far!
So, with each new DS that hits, is that 1u on the whole street, or 1u on the 3 splits? & we are only increasing bets on the 1st DS?
Thx :) Yes ? Sorry for my bad english if you misunderstood. You begin betting the 3 SPLITs within 1 Doublestreet hit, (and that's the only bet increased yes, +1u on each SPLIT, for each loss)...and for each new Doublestreet that hits, that is bet with 1u...Reset/Restart with when one of the Doublestreets bet hit. (betting anew That single DS 3 SPLITs...with 1u) and so on
I can't explain it in any better way,..:S
Quote from: ignatus on May 02, 11:09 PM 2018But this is only MY interpetation of what *I* saw, on "roulette-simulator" (before he censored it)...
My Turbogenius account has been private from the start. Therefore anything I played there hasn't been shown to anyone.
I have no idea what this is about, I've never played "double streets" (Line bets) along with splits. I've played splits at times but not both in a combination like is being explained here.
I did play 2 street bets per dozen section at times but the overall majority of my play has been on straight up bets only
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 06:22 AM 2018My Turbogenius account has been private from the start. Therefore anything I played there hasn't been shown to anyone.
I have no idea what this is about
Alright, i know, but i saw you playing this on roulette-simulator, (same way,but with the streets)...i haven't hallucinated it...:S i know it's "not the same" just, more of an experiment, testing this "repeaters method" of yours, but not with the streets, but with DS.... thanks anyway for the inspiration,
6/7 Games won so far..... (the last 7th session here was a thriller:S and one session went straight to hell, soo it's not a HG) well see, if i win the last 3 sessions... (i'd be suprised)
Quote from: ignatus on May 03, 06:57 AM 2018just, more of an experiment, testing this "repeaters method" of yours, but not with the streets, but with DS.... thanks anyway for the inspiration,
Good luck, I hope it works out for you.
Glad to inspire whenever possible :)
Thanks... I like the charts. They all seem to show some profit in the 1st 50 or so spins.
I think what we need to do is run off loads of RX simulations (I think this is what ur using) and see the
worst case scenario.
Suppose we played this once for up to 74 spins for 100 days, we stop when we are up, say, 100 units. As per my thread "Building the Optimum System."
Would we still be in profit?
Hi Turbo, there are a couple of methods on your website, the 35 unit method, and the law of third for streets. Both very interesting!
Would you still recommend them, if I may ask?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 03, 09:08 AM 2018Thanks... I like the charts. They all seem to show some profit in the 1st 50 or so spins.
Yes, that's right, as this, my last chart shows, this is the only way to play... (although it took 800 spins for a complete loss, it reached a positive target +500u several times, so... perhaps all hope is not lost?)
6/9 Games won. (with a 1000u wingoal) sorry to disapoint , (again?) now i don't know if i can argue 8/9 Games won with a 500u wingoal. Perhaps not...
I leave this now, let it fall into oblivion.....
Now you see how all turbo systems failed.
Ignatus
I said it 999 times and this time it will become 1000 :
No body can defeat roulette using layout bets .
Why don’t you want to accept the truth ?
YES, ACCEPT THE TRUTH, ACCEPT THE TRUTH, ACCEPT THE TRUTH TURBO IS DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on May 03, 01:34 PM 2018YES, ACCEPT THE TRUTH, ACCEPT THE TRUTH, ACCEPT THE TRUTH TURBO IS DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.
CAPS= small Penis
:lol:
Hang on a minute, Ignatus!
What is your worst graph so far? What is the worst drawdown on it, b4 74 spins?
The last one you posted shows a healthy profit early on, is that counted as a losing trial?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 03, 02:14 PM 2018
Hang on a minute, Ignatus!
What is your worst graph so far? What is the worst drawdown on it, b4 74 spins?
The last one you posted shows a healthy profit early on, is that counted as a losing trial?
Yes, i was playing with a 1000u wingoal, (played with 5u bets). But, ..yes, if you're satisfied with a wingoal lower than 500u, then, yes?...it's profitable, now, you got all my graphs, if you like to test it further, you can publish your results? i leave it alone for now, ..? if no one tells me otherwise,
Quote from: Lucky7Red on May 03, 01:15 PM 2018Now you see how all turbo systems failed.
Hey idiot - this isn't what I'm playing, as the original poster of the thread even explained.
Is this Bago ? Must be, or a equally brain dead close relative. Tell him I said Hello.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 03, 05:24 PM 2018
Hey idiot - this isn't what I'm playing, as the original poster of the thread even explained.
Is this Bago ? Must be, or a equally brain dead close relative. Tell him I said Hello.
Dont know about Bago guy but your graph is going down man. :lol:
Lucky7red
You should get your brain washed as soon as possible !
Man give some credits to the guys please !
They working hard on the HG, soon to be announced
:)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 03, 01:19 PM 2018
Ignatus
I said it 999 times and this time it will become 1000 :
No body can defeat roulette using layout bets .
Why don’t you want to accept the truth ?
Ignatus don't listen to naysayers.
Jim Carrey wrote himself a check for $10M when he was an
unknown. He worked and worked until he was able to cash that check.
Look at your rating. People want to see what you create.
Remember champions get back up and keep going. Keep going!
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 04, 03:21 AM 2018
Ignatus don't listen to naysayers.
Jim Carrey wrote himself a check for $10M when he was an
unknown. He worked and worked until he was able to cash that check.
Look at your rating. People want to see what you create.
Remember champions get back up and keep going. Keep going!
If you and ignatus spent x years researching roulette, others might have spent x+10 years doing the same research and came to conclusions, why don’t you want to learn from their experience ?
Every player's experience is unique. It takes a while to
find what works for you (and with what you're comfortable).
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 04, 03:45 AM 2018
Every player's experience is unique. It takes a while to
find what works for you (and with what you're comfortable).
Nonsense...
roulette is like trading, business etc, it’s per se a field and players experiences should be considered!
RB Let's agree to disagree.
@Ignatus: I'm looking forward to your next creation.
(in the meantime you can borrow my Ferrari :) )
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 04, 04:06 AM 2018
RB Let's agree to disagree.
@Ignatus: I'm looking forward to your next creation.
(in the meantime you can borrow my Ferrari :) )
Do you have Ferrari ?
Wouldn't you like to know :)
Most members have Ferrari, you not the only one
Thx to the HG
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 03:38 AM 2018
If you and ignatus spent x years researching roulette, others might have spent x+10 years doing the same research and came to conclusions, why don’t you want to learn from their experience ?
When they speak in riddles it's worthless.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 04, 03:21 AM 2018People want to see what you create. Keep going!
Thanks proof, for your kind words :)
...but still, i can't get past that magic 80% winrate -limit, like this one has about an 80% winrate with a 500u wingoal, now 80% is obviously not good enough,? people want the HG? xD
Ignatus
You are the most contributor !
You are devoting your whole life to developing roulette systems and posting them here!
We are all thankful for you and your efforts and determination.
Chapeau !
Lucky7 red
We don’t allow you to attack turbo or underestimate his findings.
Btw, did you wash your brain yet ?
Really you should quit criticizing people
:)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 05:36 AM 2018You are devoting your whole life to developing roulette systems
haha.,. not really, :D i do other things! I trade forex for an example, now i've been doing that also (for fun) for 3 yrs or so now....my dream is ofc to make my "hobby" profitable, but it takes practice practice...
Thanks anyway ;)
Quote from: ignatus on May 04, 05:29 AM 2018
Thanks proof, for your kind words :)
...but still, i can't get past that magic 80% winrate -limit, like this one has about an 80% winrate with a 500u wingoal, now 80% is obviously not good enough,? people want the HG? xD
80%. Basic $1 units 100 units per day gross profit. Over the course of the year, 80% of 365 days = 292 days. 292 x $100 units = $29200 of gross profit. That leaves 73 days that you lose. Break even point would be $29200 divided by 73 or $400 loss per each of those 73 days. Simple math right? Well if you treat it as a business, all businesses have overhead to pay of some sort, and many have different departments. Treat each system as a different department, playing them all, then some departments will make up for the others that are having a bad day, such as umbrella sales are higher in rainy days than sunscreen. Using this overall approach is how to ultimately make money gambling.
I have a sports betting department, a baccarat department, a roulette department and within those I have sub departments. I even keep ledgers and produce profit & loss statements for myself to see how each department is doing overall in the business of Nimo
Quote from: Nimo on May 04, 06:39 AM 2018
80%. Basic $1 units 100 units per day gross profit. Over the course of the year, 80% of 365 days = 292 days. 292 x $100 units = $29200 of gross profit. That leaves 73 days that you lose. Break even point would be $29200 divided by 73 or $400 loss per each of those 73 days. Simple math right? Well if you treat it as a business, all businesses have overhead to pay of some sort, and many have different departments. Treat each system as a different department, playing them all, then some departments will make up for the others that are having a bad day, such as umbrella sales are higher in rainy days than sunscreen. Using this overall approach is how to ultimately make money gambling.
I have a sports betting department, a baccarat department, a roulette department and within those I have sub departments. I even keep ledgers and produce profit & loss statements for myself to see how each department is doing overall in the business of Nimo
Are you business analyst ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 06:52 AM 2018
Are you business analyst ?
Not in a professional sense, I do analyse what I'm doing, but my last official job was a professional truck driver, which I gave up years ago when online sports books were coming online regularly.
Quote from: Nimo on May 04, 06:39 AM 2018Well if you treat it as a business, all businesses have overhead to pay of some sort
True. To be able to disconnect from greed and disapointment of loss, that would be great yes... to keep it business-like and treat losses and wins with the same feelings or (not being emotionally disturbed by either win or loss), ..i guess. im a poor gambler:S, and use to be rather emotional about it, and not putting the actual gameplay into a system of "business"
thx
i'll see if it passes the acid test of 80% wins with a 500u wingoal...
I'll do new tests-sessions....
If you like to gamble, I tell you I'm your man,
You win some, lose some, it's all the same to me,
The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say,
I don't share your greed, the only card I need is
The Ace Of Spades ~Lemmy Klimister RIP
Guys
I am going to give you a extraordinary advice:
Greed is disastrous and it can kill you whatever system you use.
How did I free myself from greed?
I developed a program that can manage my actions when I play, I just do what the program says, when it says no bet, I just don’t place bet.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 05:39 AM 2018
Lucky7 red
We don’t allow you to attack turbo or underestimate his findings.
Btw, did you wash your brain yet ?
Really you should quit criticizing people
:)
My contribution to this forum allow me to attack turbo and to underestimate his findings :)
Hi Ignatus, to quote you-
"But, ..yes, if you're satisfied with a wingoal lower than 500u, then, yes?...it's profitable, now, you got all my graphs, if you like to test it further, you can publish your results? i leave it alone for now, ..? if no one tells me otherwise,"
Yes I certainly am satisfied with a win goal lower than 500 if it's consistent. I would like to test further, but although I have RX I haven't learned to program it yet. If you PM me the code I could do loads of tests, would that be ok?
Quote from: daveylibra on May 04, 08:22 AM 2018Yes I certainly am satisfied with a win goal lower than 500 if it's consistent
Alright. *EDIT*
A 90% Winrate with a +250u wingol. (last 3 games played like that) But still you need a BR of 500u. (That's how i would play it, now..) Like, you COULD play like a highroller, QUIT AFTER 1 win, immediatly after you reach a new high....(Still, a decent BR is required)
I CAN'T code RX with progression, but obviously i must try to learn, and so should you? or anyone else.. who owns RX? idk..? That would save alot of time, yes.
Here is my second test-session.
Quote from: ignatus on May 04, 05:29 AM 2018
Thanks proof, for your kind words :)
...but still, i can't get past that magic 80% winrate -limit, like this one has about an 80% winrate with a 500u wingoal, now 80% is obviously not good enough,? people want the HG? xD
How about a hit-and-run tactic? Is it possible to factor in a seven spin break
(seven spins of no bets *or minimum equal bets both even chances-
Red and Black) for seven spins before starting the next session?
*Just a thought :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 04, 09:20 AM 2018How about a hit-and-run tactic?
Yes, that's the only possible way to play this, obviously, now 1 or 2 wins, MAX i would say, then QUIT.... then you reach a +100 or +200 profit, soo.. more testings coming up, playing this way, but...i hope others will test also, (if interested)..thx
Here is the perfect example; 1 WIN +165u profit. END GAME,
but now.....I was caught up with greed, and i was going for 2 Wins, instead i lost the game -445u ....soo?
--This is the way im going to play from now on: 1 WIN -Then QUIT (immediatly after reaching a Positive BR!)
BR Needed: 500u (5u bets)
We'll see how this goes now.....
Ignatus
Don’t put lot of hope in this, it can start with a loss then you are screwed !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 04, 11:05 AM 2018Don’t put lot of hope in this, it can start with a loss then you are screwed !
Well no?, 9/10 games won from this 3rd session 1 loss STILL +800, a Second loss would STILL leave us with +200 or so....and A 100% Total loss SHOULD be rare,(not reaching the +100u wingoal, before BR of 500u is lost) as you can see in the charts, so far? it has happened *one time* in like 30 games.....
calculating wins/losseswins
+130
+195
+130
+145
+105
+130
+130
+165
+165
=+1295
losses
-495
Total= +800u
Well now, fooling around with RNG again @roulettesimulator, on RNG hitrate is *much worse* than playing live, obviously. but i was thinking -"HOW can i get this to work, on RNG??" AND the great flaw of this system is *the progression* it's way to agressive and risky....so i decided to try a much more milder progression, and what it seemed, it worked wonders. 6/6 games won.....
This is the tweak; Play with the normal gamerules, (3 splits within one Repeating DS, and 1u on the rest DS that hits, in a progressive bet...) But now. *don't raise the bets on the splits, UNTIL one of the bet DS hits. THEN +1u bet for the next round on the repeating DS. WHEN any of the splits Hit, you got two options (1) Reset the split bets to 1u for the next round (2) -1u bet on the splits bet for the next round...
Example play @roulette-simulator
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c (link:s://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c)
Problem with rng is when you play for real money software will cheat you so why to bother with rng?
Quote from: Lucky7Red on May 04, 03:33 PM 2018
Problem with rng is when you play for real money software will cheat you so why to bother with rng?
I just tested the new tweak on RNG, (for demonstration purposes), and furthermore as i said, i had great losses on RNG with the original method (with agressive progression)...so this new tweak with a much more milder progression seems to work better.....
Quote from: Lucky7Red on May 04, 03:33 PM 2018software will cheat you
perhaps, perhaps not? we could debate on that. i have won real money on RNG, ....most people with that argument just play bad system that loses, and blame the RNG,? yes...if a casino would be busted with a "cheating software" they have to pay MILLIONS in debt, and perhaps close the casino. I don't think they would take that risk, not really. That's MY opinion.
But ofc i prefer Live-play.
IG
What about MPR, we all know how true the spins are???
Quote from: nottophammer on May 04, 03:59 PM 2018What about MPR, we all know how true the spins are???
Hi notto. :) well, idk? why would they be "fake" ? for what reason, ..i don't get it, start another thread and debate about it. ok
Now, i won 23/25 Games @roulette simulator, with an profit of +3360. (played with 10u bets) That's about a 90% winrate......
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c (link:s://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c)
Quote from: ignatus on May 04, 07:52 PM 2018
Hi notto. :) well, idk? why would they be "fake" ? for what reason, ..i don't get it, start another thread and debate about it. ok
Now, i won 23/25 Games @roulette simulator, with an profit of +3360. (played with 10u bets) That's about a 90% winrate......
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c (link:s://roulette-simulator.info/user/e2a2dcc36a08a345332c751b2f2e476c)
Ask Maestro what he thinks.
But the only reason replying to you, is to ask, on MPR are you Xiam, if it's you which of your many methods is Xiam using, as it shows its a good method
Quote from: nottophammer on May 05, 05:47 AM 2018
Ask Maestro what he thinks.
But the only reason replying to you, is to ask, on MPR are you Xiam, if it's you which of your many methods is Xiam using, as it shows its a good method
I played mostly, "Hangman" if i remember right, link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19019.0 (link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19019.0) ...
Thank you IG,
Perhaps you should revisit Hangman as its still on starting bankroll on MPR.
Whether spins are live, rng makes no difference, what i play at moment courtesy of TG, be it on MPR or R-sim its winning.
I'll keep out of your topic from now :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on May 05, 06:51 AM 2018Thank you IG,
Perhaps you should revisit Hangman
Yes, thx notto, that's exactly what im going to do! :)
Look, I'm not sure, but that picture of Ignatus does loook a bit like Turbo's picture... if you kind of squint your eyes after eating mushrooms.