Hi all.
Not sure if this particular variant has been posted before, or maybe its in another section, but lets lay the thread down and see what the response is.
I know many posters have shown Us their bet selection using the outside of the table, so called Even Chances.
I too play this system, but with a slight variation, so let me explain.
With only a marginal consideration for the DBL or the last colour spun,
i lay down my bet>>
2 units on Colour(black)
2 units on Even
2 units on 1-18 (low)
1 unit on Zero (flat bet), or corner Zero, 1, 2, 3 or Split 1/Zero, or Split 2/Zero, or Split 3/Zero.
What I'm doing here is obviously covering a potential loss should Zero be spun during my Even Chance betting.
As each Even Chance wins, I drop them out and bank the winnings, but then (using Martingale of Fibonacci progression)
I'm using the winnings to fund the Even Chance progression that has not come in.
Half or any winnings are also being used to fund the Zero safety net Flat bet (or Corner or Split bet)
The theory is the winnings of the EC pay for the security of the Zero.
At first glance, and I play where you win early, and with little progression required,
it would seem that this system is infallible- dare I say- almost perfect.
You get the feeling, it a system that can not fail, (bet you never heard that before! :wink:)
Buts here's the science behind its ultimate, and probably eventual downfall.
As the system progresses, and your EC bets get larger and larger, you have to watch the value of your Zero safety net bet, since its payback cover can under value of the return your hoping for on your EC three way spread.
I'll will construct a table to show the relative bet slide verse payback for each Martingale progression step.
more to follow.
Just wanted to say, if you play very carefully, as we always have too!, you can increase your BR nicely, especially with low unit value (Typically - 0.10Ã,£/$/E)
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
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Hmmm...it's an interesting sort of 'mixed economy' idea, where a good crop funds a poor meat price on another part of the farm, so to speak.
Thanks for the thread. I'll follow it with interest. :thumbsup:
I've been wondering when you were going to pull out the big guns.
Can't wait for more explanation.
Sounds like the kind of system I like.
George
This looks very familiar ;)
Chris what do you mean, 1/Black/Odd/Low (Would pay=21 on 13.5 units bet)
Altn Winning outcome is-----------3/Black/Odd/Low
1 and 3 are Red
Or did I misunderstand ?
Oh yer, bot colours mixed up. Thanx Paul, I'll alter it, was working from a guess not even memory- im flu'd up at mo, so poorly bad.
Have u post this system before then?
i thort I had seen something, but couldn't find ur post.
Apols if its hissing on ur threads, was just showing a brain storm of mine.
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 30, 02:23 PM 2010
Oh yer, bot colours mixed up. thanks Paul, I'll alter it, was working from a guess not even memory- I'm flu'd up at mo, so poorly bad.
Have you post this system before then?
i thort I had seen something, but couldn't find your post.
Apols if its hissing on your threads, was just showing a brain storm of mine.
Ah always have the Jab mate=Flu Free ;D
I posted somethin similiar ages ago, nah ure cool its a variant on a theme :thumbsup:
Keep testing and post ure results dude !
Remember its 35:1 not 36:1 !
So glad Ur around to mod me!!
the amounts are even better for that 3 Rd Phase.
Cause im sooo bad, would U read thro it again for me, and let me know if it makes sense?
Please. :-[
2ND edit.
Just a small addition to the EC Three way.
This IS needed to stop the rot on the progressive raise on the EC bets.
Let me explain, (well try to)
1ST Phase (Beginning of system)
Bet-------------------------------1-18>>>2units
Bet------------------------------Even>>>2units
Bet----------------------------- Black>>>2units
Bet--------Four Bet of Zero/1/2/3>>>1 unit
Total Bet Value..........................7 units
Worst Losing Outcome--------------------27/Red/Odd/High (Worse case outcome for this bet)
(Total Loss--7 units)
Best Winning outcome is------------2/Black/Even/Low (which pays=31 on 7 units bet)
Altn Winning outcome is------------1/Red/ Odd/Low (which pays=17 on 7 units bet)
Altn Winning outcome is------------3/Red/ Odd/Low (which pays=17 on 7 units bet)
there are other outcomes.
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2ND Phase (if loss at 1ST phase)
Bet -------------------------------1-18>>>4 units (Martingale Progression)
Bet-------------------------------Even>>>4units
Bet------------------------------ Black>>>4 units
Bet-------- Four Bet of Zero/1/2/3>>>1 unit (pays 8;1 which on 1 unit = 9 ( does not cover the EC 3 Three of 12)
so increase this Corner bet to 1.5 units (pays 8;1 which on 1.5 units= 13.5)
Total bet value...........................13,5 units
Notes. I'm sticking with the corner bet cause it covers the most amount of numbers/colours and gives a nice kick back should Numbers 1/2/3 come in , and it boosts the Even Bet on 2, and boosts the Low bet on 1/3, also is Black should 1 or 3 hit)
Worst Losing Outcome--------------------27/Red/Odd/High (Worse case outcome for this bet)
(Total Loss--13,5 units)
Best Winning outcome is ----------2/Black/Even/Low (Would pay=37.5 on 13.5 units bet)
Altn Winning outcome is-----------1/Red / Odd/Low (Would pay=21.5 on 13.5 units bet)
Altn Winning outcome is-----------3/Red / Odd/Low (Would pay=21.5 on 13.5 units bet)
Altn evens outcome is-----------Zero (Would pay=13.5 on 25.5 units bet)
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Now here's the change to the security bet.
3RD Phase (if loss at 2ND Phase)
Bet--------------------------1-18>>>8 units
Bet--------------------------Low>>>8 units
Bet-------------------------Black>>>8 units
Bet----------------Split Zero/2>>>1.5 units (Pays 18;1 which would pay 27)
Total Bet value...................25.5 units
Worst Losing Outcome............27/Red/Odd/High (Total loss of =25.5 units)
Best Winning Outcome-------2/Black/Even/Low (Which pays=75 units) (LOOK AT THIS RETURN ON A 25.5 unit bet!!!)
Altn Winning Outcome--------Zero (Which pays=27 on 25.5 units bet)
I hope your all getting the idea of the progression here.
the next phase can go several ways, you can increase the EC three way bets,
or increase the Value of ONE of the EC bets, (either Low, Even, or Black( note you may change the Even bet to Odd, as this really would boost the return if your lucky to hit number 1 or 3)),
Or increase the value of the Split Zero/2 especially if you are monitoring this single number, or if Zero has not hit in last 18+ spins.
4/5/6TH Phases (if loss at previous Phase) would probably see me moving the Split Zero bet to a Flat Zero only bet, since that returns 35;1. tho there are other variations.
Maybe not so much as big guns, but small bang!
P.S. The .5 (half unit) bet value is only applicable if the table has 0.01unit option.
Think I have got it right now- must keep taking the tables.
Will any viewer of this post who finds an error please post a reply identifying the mistake.
I'm still new to this typing lark and find it difficult to check my work before posting it since the text page is so small.
Maybe in future I'll write it in Notepad and copy/paste in here!!
Cheers any one who visits.
please comment.
@Twistuk
Im not able to fully test, but i feel if one had an unlimited bankroll, i can see this only coming unstuck with table limits, so may need varying to suit the Casino in questions table limits.
Im still waiting to use my BR on the tipping tool test.
Any news?
@chrisbis
You wrote: "Maybe in future I'll write it in Notepad and copy/paste in here!!"
Yes!
That's always the best thing to do with a detailed post such as this very interesting one.
Then when you read it back to yourself out loud before you post it you'll not only pick up on bits that don't make sense, but also on any other discrepancies (spelling, punctuation, grammar, syntax and so on.)
You know how right U are. :thumbsup:
Was my biggest post to date. :wink:
Only tinkered with this system, since i thought of it last week.
I have more advanced ideas on it.
I just tried it out on Play for Fun mode (since it doesn't matter what the wheel throws at u)
and i hasn't failed yet.
More testing, and advanced theory for it, to come.
I just worked out an even better, safer variant for it, so watch this space.
Just got to see what date it becomes a cropper!! :o
Maaaaaaate -- that is brilliantly conceived and extremely well presented.
Well done. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Er, no more playing on the road. We need to preserve you at all costs!
[As an aside, I'm glad you found the 'reading it out aloud' tip helpful. That was one of the strategies I learned during journalism training many moons ago. It's never failed me yet! ]
Quote from: esoito on Oct 30, 09:06 PM 2010
Maaaaaaate -- that is brilliantly conceived and extremely well presented.
Well done. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Er, no more playing on the road. We need to preserve you at all costs!
[As an aside, I'm glad you found the 'reading it out aloud' tip helpful. That was one of the strategies I learned during journalism training many moons ago. It's never failed me yet! ]
Best idea anyone gave me tonight Esoi. Thanx.
Still had to check it over when i pasted it in, cause the forum software indents at different places and some of the returns are not correct, but it is easier. Cheers. :thumbsup:
Im glad u like it.
I like to put things down in a very methodical way, so anyone can read it (hopefully)
Its my first, like a Virgin- wow, for the very first time, like a Virrrgin, with ur heart beat (sing along now)!!.......
;D
Im re-reading now myself, and i still found a mistake!!
Can u increase edit time so i can alter the posting Esoito??
Quote from: chrisbis on Oct 30, 09:20 PM 2010
I'm re-reading now myself, and I still found a mistake!!
Immediate flagellation is called for.
Can you increase edit time so I can alter the posting Esoito??
Sorry. You'll need to ask Victor. He holds those sorts of levers.
*Note*
Now before you spin this bet, you should notice that the Zero bet of 1 unit (the security bet) will not cover
your EC bets valued at 45 units. Therefore, the Zero needs to be increased to 2units)
Yep. Good point.
My only immediate reaction is that some of the outlays can get a bit steep for those of a nervous disposition such as little moi..
That's the trouble with Martingales. :(
Its ok, we self 'flag' in this part of the world.
I'll re-post and delete orig. 8)
Quote from: esoito on Oct 30, 09:25 PM 2010
*Note*
Now before you spin this bet, you should notice that the Zero bet of 1 unit (the security bet) will not cover
your EC bets valued at 45 units. Therefore, the Zero needs to be increased to 2units)
Yep. Good point.
My only immediate reaction is that some of the outlays can get a bit steep for those of a nervous disposition such as little moi..
That's the trouble with Martingales. :(
Think i mentioned somewhere, large BR is required, but in theory, this system has only 1 down fall- table limits .......... and lack of patience..........and counting. ( OO yes, that's 3 isn't it!!)
EC Three way 3Rd Variant Edit
1st Phase.
Bet. Options/discription
1 unit on Zero (the security bet)
2 units on 1-18 (Low or High 19-36)
2 units on Even (or Odd)
2 units on Black (or Red)
=7units total bet
Say outcome is #30/Red/Even/High
Payout is Thus 1 unit on Zero produces 0
2 units on 1-18 produces 0
2 units on Even produces 4
2 units on Black produces 0
Phase Summary- 7 units bet, result of #30 =+4win= Phase loss/win -3 Net loss/win -3
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2nd Phase.
1 unit on Zero.....................(steady for the moment)
4 units on 1-18.....................(M'gale)
2 units on Even....................(back to 1st phase level)
4 units on Black...................(M'gale)
=11units total bet
Say outcome is #30/Red/Even/High (Its a repeater table!)
Payout is Thus 1 unit on Zero produces 0
4 units on 1-18 produces 0
2 units on Even produces 4
4 units on Black produces 0
Phase Summary- 11 units bet, result of #30 =+4win= Phase loss/win -7= Net loss/win -10
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3rd Phase.
1 unit on Zero......................(steady)
8 units on 1-18.......................(M'gale)
2 units on Even......................(back to 1st phase level)
8 units on Black.....................(M'gale)
=19units total bet
Say outcome is #7/Red/Odd/1-18 (A trigger anyone)
Payout is Thus 1 unit on Zero produces 0
8 units on 1-18 produces 16
2 units on Even produces 0
8 units on Black produces 0
Phase Summary- 19 units bet, result of #7 =+16win= Phase loss/win -3= Net loss/win -13
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4th Phase.
1 unit on Zero...................(steady)
2 units on 1-18....................(back to 1st phase level)
4 units on Even...................(M'gale)
16 units on Black..................(M'gale)
=23units total bet
Say outcome is #31/Black/Odd/19-36 (A trigger anyone?)
Payout is Thus 1 unit on Zero produces 0
2 units on 1-18 produces 0
4 units on Even produces 0
16 units on Black produces 32
Phase Summary- 23 units bet, result of #31 =+32win= Phase loss/win +9= Net loss/win-4
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5th Phase.
1 unit on Zero.....................(still steady)
4 units on 1-18.....................(M'gale)
8 units on Even....................(M'gale)
2 units on Black...................(back to 1st phase level)
=15units total bet
Say outcome is #21/Red/Odd/19-36 (Worse outcome)
Payout is Thus 1 unit on Zero produces 0
4 units on 1-18 produces 0
8 units on Even produces 0
16 units on Black produces 0
Phase Summary- 15 units bet, result of #21 = 0 = Phase loss/win -15 = Net loss/win -19
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6th Phase.
1 unit on Zero....................(tho still steady, a small increase here & u spotted an opportunity eh!!)
8 units on 1-18....................(M'gale)
16 units on Even...................(M'gale)
32 units on Black..................(M'gale)
=57units total bet
*Note*
Now before u spin this bet, u should notice that the Zero bet of 1 unit (the security bet) will not cover
your EC bets valued at 57 units. Therefore, the Zero bet needs to be increased to 2units)
________
6th Phase. (edit on the Zero) (play it again Sam tribute phase)
2 units on Zero..................(increased sercurity to cover the Martingale bets)
8 units on 1-18....................(M'gale)
16 units on Even...................(M'gale)
32 units on Black..................(M'gale)
=58units total bet
Say outcome is #1/Red/Odd/1-18 (trigger anyone? (Alright Dave?)) (anyways- bad outcome)
Payout is Thus 2 units on Zero produces 0
8 units on 1-18 produces 16
16 units on Even produces 0
32 units on Black produces 0
Phase Summary- 58 units bet, result of #1 =+16 win = Phase loss/win -40 =Net loss/win -59
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7th Phase.
5 units on Zero....................(raise to cover the known expected Martingale progression + loses)
2 units on 1-18....................(back to 1st phase level)
32 units on Even...................(M'gale)
64 units on Black..................(M'gale)
=103units total bet
Say outcome is #0 Zero
Payout is Thus 5 units on Zero produces 180 ((5 x 35) +5)
Phase Summary-103 units bet, result of #0 = +180 win = Phase loss/win +77 = Net loss/win +18
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8th Phase.
1 unit on Zero....................(reset to 1st phase level)
2 units on 1-18.....................(reset " " " " )
2 units on Even....................(reset " " " " )
2 units on Black...................(reset " " " " )
=7units total bet
Say outcome is #2/Black/Even/1-18 (best outcome from the EC 3 ways bet stakes) (Zero is best
outcome allround)
Payout is Thus 1 unit on Zero produces 0
2 units on 1-18 produces 4
2 units on Even produces 4
2 units on Black produces 4
Phase Summary-7 units bet, result of #2 =+12 win = Phase loss/win +5 = Net loss/win +23
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So, i have tried to show u the new variation and some worse case senarios.
Food for thought?
Having now found out the deliberate flaw in my master plan,
i wish it to be known, that from now on, I will be modifying this here
lickle system to be betting on thus>>>>>
1;18
Odd
Black.
Plus my little Green Goblin friend, The beautiful Zero!!
Coming soon to a cinema near U!!
.............
With Marty progression, or a new progression I'm working on.
On paper it looks a lot healthier and wins more often than playing on Even.
1;18 plus ODD plus Black takes account of 32 of the 37 possible numbers (European wheel)
Which is some cover!!>>> 86.4% of the wheel.
(same goes if playing 1;18 plus Even plus Red)
If you use some of either your potential win, or your existing BR, to cover the Zero, either on a 0 flat, or a split derivative, the percentage cover of the wheel is even greater (89.18% cover)
I see that u have an obsession with ur friend the zero.
I think U will find, that given time, U'll come to love and admire him too!!
Well he does bring the house down sometimes doesn't he. :-[
I like the green numbers too. Easiest numbers to keep track of when you're watching multiple tables.
Ron.
Multiple tables!!! :o
How do u do that then ron, several computers or do U mean Bricks & M??
Thought it was only ladiessss who have
multiple tables :-*
Cheers mate.
Hi chrisbis,
I tried it as you recommended on black, odd and low EC's using a shortened 1-2-4 progression and always never higher than a 0.5 bet on 0.
On any EC win I went back one step and if an EC progression won OR lost on 4u I went back one step to 2u for next bet; in other words I never played higher than 4u on any of the EC's...
On any EC loss I went up to the next level of the 1-2-4 prog except if a 4u bet lost in which case, as stated before, I reduced to 2u for the next spin.
**However, I reset all EC's to starting amount of 1u when LEVEL or NEW HIGH**
Seems pretty good strategy to me :)
A.
Always B&M.
I play the outside (dozens mostly) a lot, looking for the table with the best opportunity. I'll also switch to the inside once in awhile, usually to bet on the 0/00.
Quote from: atlantis on Nov 11, 07:02 AM 2010
Hi chrisbis,
I tried .............
On any EC loss I went up to the next level of the 1-2-4 prog except if a 4u bet lost in which case, as stated before, I reduced to 2u for the next spin.
**However, I reset all EC's to starting amount of 1u when LEVEL or NEW HIGH**
Seems pretty good strategy to me :)
A.
I follow each EC bet very carefully.
As each EC loses any given bet, or part of their progression, I increase on that EC that has lost,
then completely reset all/both/each (how ever U look at it) the other EC's to the starting point, which for me is a multiple of my Zero insurance cover.
So if my Zero bet it 0.50 units, then my EC's are 2 x Zero for my starting point, and 2 x Zero for my reset point.
For me, once the Individual EC has done its job, on what ever part of the progression its at, then I reset it.
To reduce BR raid, one could always withdraw that EC that's finished its task, and concentrate on the EC that has failed and requires further progression.
But I never forget the Zero, U just can not ignore that baby, since, outside bets (unless playing on a French table) do not take account of anything falling in the Green Goblins lap!!