I did a stupid thing I played John Patrick’s action numbers with a progression
And it worked very well
How long before it bites me in the arse?
Compromise. :) Wait for a loss or two then start with a smaller progression.
The action numbers often cluster.
Need to figure this out
Can you give more info or a link about John Patrick’s action numbers?
I think the action numbers are
1,2,3,4,5 6
10,11,12,13,14,15
17,18,19,20
28,29,30,31,32,33
They are different for European and American wheels
The American wheel action numbers do quite well flat betting
What I mean by quite well is the balance goes up and down it never goes too deep into a hole
However a progression is dangerous
Trying to brainstorm ways to make this a better method. Because I play methods not systems :)
American wheel
Line 1-6
Line 10-15
Quad 17 18 20 21
Line 28-33
I've always wondered how John Patrick's numbers applied to 00 wheels, but figured there would never be a way to definitively lock down a method to test them.
Good job getting some talk going RG.
Seems lately the board is riddled with members who are sadistic jerks and people keep saying “pm the info privatelyâ€
Should get some roulette talk going
A progression is too dangerous for 22 numbers
Triggers aren’t the best either
Maybe a conservative progression
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 25, 06:42 PM 2018
A progression is too dangerous for 22 numbers
Triggers aren’t the best either
Maybe a conservative progression
Do you guys want some 00 wheel data to run your system tests?
Let me know I've got tons of it. I've also got some biased wheel data from them that could be fun for you guys to mess around with.
Could also run a gap check on loothog.com to get some good data on worse case
If you guys want gap checks I have simulators that will automatically tell you the gaps.
I also have programs that will hunt for the numbers with the highest edge with the smallest gaps.
I can't send you guys the simulators, but I don't mind running the data for you.
Hi,
Ok sure! I am interested.
It calculates all those things mentioned above after all nrs are in or as they come?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 25, 06:27 PM 2018
The American wheel action numbers do quite well flat betting
What I mean by quite well is the balance goes up and down it never goes too deep into a hole
However a progression is dangerous
Trying to brainstorm ways to make this a better method. Because I play methods not systems :)
American wheel
Line 1-6
Line 10-15
Quad 17 18 20 21
Line 28-33
If you’re going to play an American wheel, here’s a suggestion.
1 on 0/00
3 on 1-6 Line
5 on 10-15 Line
2 on Quad 17/18/20/21
5 on Line 28-33
long time ago i created something like 40 charts for european wheels to test online. Live wheels. Something similar to "action numbers" of Patrick. If it works on one combination it should work better on different similar combinations I thought. Conclusion? It won't work. Period. Wheels are absolutely random, my friends. These patterns don't work on a long run. Any patterns. Any numbers. Be it 18, 22, 16 numbers to cover, whatever. On a long run the ball will drop where you did not cover it. If it is a sector or spread around all wheel. It doesn't matter, these patterns will lose on a long run. Any patterns. The best you can get is a zero minus house edge, but this is the best. Most likely your patterns will lose much more. Because these are PATTERNS.
"If your plan doesn't work you have to come up with a new plan"
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IMO, all these action numbers are is a way to quickly play the bulk of numbers on the wheel, while at the same time spreading the numbers not played by individual pockets, or pair of pockets at most.
There are many ways you can accomplish this type of spread on the wheel. In fact not only can you come up with your own action numbers using 4 or 5 layout placements, but you can do it blindfold, which I suspect John Patrick did in the first instance.
Why do I suspect that? Because there is absolutely nothing special about this particular wheel spread.
It's Kindergarten stuff, really.
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 26, 02:39 AM 2018
IMO, all these action numbers are is a way to quickly play the bulk of numbers on the wheel, while at the same time spreading the numbers not played by individual pockets, or pair of pockets at most.
There are many ways you can accomplish this type of spread on the wheel. In fact not only can you come up with your own action numbers using 4 or 5 layout placements, but you can do it blindfold, which I suspect John Patrick did in the first instance.
Why do I suspect that? Because there is absolutely nothing special about this particular wheel spread.
It's Kindergarten stuff, really.
Oh, I agree
Just another way to lay chips on the forever negative expectation game
I’ve come to realize money management is what makes something work
Quote from: The General on Jul 25, 09:41 PM 2018
Do you guys want some 00 wheel data to run your system tests?
Let me know I've got tons of it. I've also got some biased wheel data from them that could be fun for you guys to mess around with.
What I want is for you to tell me what wheels are biased at resorts and/or
Jakes
This way I can give a real life review.
Keep in mind these are airball machines that you claim are biased. They speed up and slow down to deter VB players
Quote from: Taotie on Jul 26, 02:39 AM 2018
but you can do it blindfold, which I suspect John Patrick did in the first instance.
Why do I suspect that? Because there is absolutely nothing special about this particular wheel spread.
It's Kindergarten stuff, really.
If you read his book you would not say such things. Brett Morton in another book came up with this kind of stuff as well.
This stuff is not working in real life in my opinion and from my experience. But at least they DO EXPLAIN about these layouts, why they came up with them. I wonder how people come with such conclusions....If you wanna "suspect" something at least get some info on it. What you call "Kindergarten stuff", in reality is something some professional gamblers rely on. I don't know how in reality they make ends meet, but their ideas are clear, when you get the info.
the fact is no matter how we place the chips on the board we are all gamblers...one way or another
even AP or VB players are hoping for a win, its never definite
i do strongly believe that we can increase wins by betting against patterns that are not common
fallacy? maybe so....but it works
Whatever patterns on a wheel you gonna play, whatever you call them, common or uncommon, this approach is going to lose on a long run. But you may win if you do it a couple of times and stop. But usually it is not the case. Usually you are going to play, maybe win at the beginning, then repeat it till you lose. Then coming up with something else till it loses too.
IT DOES MATTER HOW YOU PLACE CHIPS. One thing though you have to admit. Your bet selection SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON A WHEEL LAYOUT. Unless you play advantage play of course. If you somehow can track the ball or find bias then you play the wheel of course. But if you just play with randomly coming numbers you should avoid wheel patterns.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 26, 08:12 PM 2018
the fact is no matter how we place the chips on the board we are all gamblers...one way or another
I don't agree, I use the selection process with 22 numbers as even money bet including a Hedge Bet.
Take Brett Morton 22 numbers:
1-6
10-15
22-27
28, 29, 31, 32,
Then I put two units on each line and one unit on the corner.
So each time the Corner bet hit I break even or make a small profit and can repeat my bet.
Line 2 Corner 1
Line 1 Corner 1
Line 1 Corner 1
Line 2 Corner 1
Line 3 Corner 1
Line 4 Corner 2
Line 5 Corner 2
Line 6 Corner 3
So if you know how to strike or play choppy sequences with success you can win money.
Ego,
You're playing a shitload of numbers, of course you are going to win money....sometimes.
The difference is that I know when strikes will come and I jump on board.
Made a topic at the bet selection forum with 6K views where I solve the puzzle.
One state that includes strikes with Sputnik's March can be used for any even money situation or trading or sports betting.
I run a short sample just to show you the beautiful random bits.
The LW-Registry:
W L
W W L
W W W W W W W W W W W L
L
The actual results:
H L
W H L
H H H W H H W W W H W L
L
(link:://i65.tinypic.com/2wow4jq.jpg)
This is silly, I run one more RNG test with RX to catch strikes using Brett Morton 22 numbers and is pretty incredible.
Maybe I will play this way tonight at my local casino, very good return on investment.
For does who don't understand that I use Regression Up & Pull.
Is a combination of regressing and using a positive progression.
Here is one more short sample.
LW-Registry:
W W W W W W W W W W W W W W L
L
Actual results:
W W W W W H H W W W H W W H L
L
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Test in one last time, start to get boring.
Here is one with no big strike and many small strikes.
LW-Registry:
W W W L
W L
W W W L
W W L
W W L
W W W L
W L
L
Actually results:
W W W L
W L
W W W L
W W L
W W L
W H H L
WL
L
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Quote from: ego on Jul 27, 01:03 AM 2018
I don't agree, I use the selection process with 22 numbers as even money bet including a Hedge Bet.
Take Brett Morton 22 numbers:
1-6
10-15
22-27
28, 29, 31, 32,
Then I put two units on each line and one unit on the corner.
So each time the Corner bet hit I break even or make a small profit and can repeat my bet.
Line 2 Corner 1
Line 1 Corner 1
Line 1 Corner 1
Line 2 Corner 1
Line 3 Corner 1
Line 4 Corner 2
Line 5 Corner 2
Line 6 Corner 3
So if you know how to strike or play choppy sequences with success you can win money.
I don’t understand where you are betting please explain
Thank you
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Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 25, 11:02 PM 2018
If you’re going to play an American wheel, here’s a suggestion.
1 on 0/00
3 on 1-6 Line
5 on 10-15 Line
2 on Quad 17/18/20/21
5 on Line 28-33