I keep seeing this term in threads but have no idea what it means. Can someone please explain and give an example? Thanks.
I dont think anyone can give you an algorithmic explanation. It appears to be an arbitrary sequence that looks look a pattern, which exists only in the players head.
Thanks Steve. I got the impression it had something to do with Winkel's GUT system specifically, but I may be wrong.
What is a "trot"?
I keep seeing this term in threads but have no idea what it means. Can someone please explain and give an example? Thanks.
Joe
LLLWLWLWWWLLLLLLLWWWW; Joe some call this a win registry
So
Spin 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,-35,36,37
Now spin 1 has to be the 1st non-hit, spin 2 could be a repeat
Here you see the distribution of the 37 starting non-hit
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The non-hit count is GUT, just not showing the 1 hit and more than 1 hit.
Above we see in spins 1-10; 9 non-hits have hit and 1 repeat, that appears to happen more often than a distribution of 10 non-hit. Now the above shows 28 non-hit remain, the question is how many spins will it take to find one of the remaining 28 non-hit, 1 spin or maybe 6 spins? Here you see it took 3 spins.
So now 27 remain un-hit, again how many spins will it take to find 1 of the remaining 27 un-hit numbers? 1 spin or maybe 6 spins? We see it takes 2 spins.
Joe what has the “TROT “of the non-hits been since spin 10, or perhaps you need the word “DISTRIBUTION†of the non-hits? From spin10; answer 3, 2.
So up to spin 15 it’s been 3, 2. By spin 20 it’s been a DISTRIBUTION or TROT of the non-hits 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1.
Joe 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 is the trot of the non-hits or for you, distribution.
Okay Joe here’s 185 spins, what does the trot look like.
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Here is a registry of the starting 37 non-hit
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Joe imagine what the registry of the 112 sets of 185 spins could reveal, look at that checpoint box for 60 spins.
That registry is all you need to see how non-hits behave in 60 spins not 100's of spins
The above is from real live spins posted on this forum
Joe here are the 112 sets, see how many times all 37 have hit within 185 spins
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Good or what, there's sooooooooooo much more, but you listen to General and Steve
So you come to spin 20 and you have a number that hit's three times, a number that's hit two times, trot, trot, trot... etc...
So which numbers have the greatest chance of winning over the next series of spins?
How has observing the distribution changed your chance of winning on the next spin or the next series of spins?
The answers:
The probability of winning has NOT changed at all!
The reason is that the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next. Therefore the probability of winning does not change from one spin to the next or over the next series of spins. ::) ::) ::)
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Now here's what the normal distribution of the numbers does tell you. It tells you that there are one or two toooo many numbers on the wheel because the house payout is short. This means that if you were to bet the distribution of the numbers as they hit...and bet an amount that represented how many times each number hit..that you would LOSE in the long run!
Same old pic same old baloney.
So what if i'm at spin 20 and have a number that hit's three times, a number that's hit two times.
That means the game is playing perfect, 3 repeats. So 7 non-hit have hit, perfect.
chew on this while you look at your millions of spins
This from 20757 spins, could get this answer from 10000 spins, 15 non-hit average to hit in spins 11-40.
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I don’t understand the need to beat up notto all the time on various forums
Why? Because he plays a certain way you don’t agree with?
If it works for him and he wins often (as per his sheets) then let him be
For him he found a way to win everyday by betting non hits after ten spins
Good for him I say.
To constantly feel the need to bash and attack him is a representation of yourself and not him
Good job notto I wish I had the time and patience to do what you are doing
Keep it smart with the stop loss and take your profit and restart
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Thats last set of 185 spins, not enough to show on all, but as you see well on the way to 15 non-hits so if theres 15 non-hits in spins 11-40, then theres the chance for Turbo's repeats at 1,5,25
Oh yeah next 1/37 bla bla bla
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 09, 01:06 PM 2018
Same old pic same old baloney.
So what if i'm at spin 20 and have a number that hit's three times, a number that's hit two times.
That means the game is playing perfect, 3 repeats. So 7 non-hit have hit, perfect.
But the numbers that have hit or that have not hit have the same chance of winning. Can you provide even one logical reason as to why the probability should change? ::)
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 09, 01:11 PM 2018I don’t understand the need to beat up notto all the time on various forums
Because he is now attracted to Nottos confidence now Turbo has gone. He doesnt get it so he attacks it.
Bit sad really. I see Mike Urmantraut is telling a gangster not to draw his gun again.
What does that mean? Caleb obviously hasnt watched Breaking Bad
Quote from: Turner on Sep 09, 03:48 PM 2018
Gambling message boards are for sharing ideas, knowledge, information and critique! Without criticism then knowledge withers and dies on the vine and ignorance flourishes like weeds. Sorry, just the facts.
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 03:50 PM 2018Gambling message boards are for sharing ideas, knowledge, information and critique! Without criticism then knowledge withers and dies on the vine and ignorance flourishes like weeds. Sorry, just the facts.
I would like you to answer a question RG has asked you many times without reply.
Why do you care so much?
You have your words about Biased wheel fluff which is totally unproven. Just words
Why arnt you out there winning?
why sit in forums berating everything everyone posts. Why do you give a shit?. Arnt you busy collecting spins from wobbly mythical wheels?
Quote from: Turner on Sep 09, 03:58 PM 2018
Why arnt you out there winning?
why sit in forums berating everything everyone posts. Why do you give a shit?. Arnt you busy collecting spins from wobbly mythical wheels?
Hey guys he is on a two weeks holiday. He will start again dreaming for broken wheel looking at 60s vedio.
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 03:50 PM 2018
Gambling message boards are for sharing ideas, knowledge, information and critique! Without criticism then knowledge withers and dies on the vine and ignorance flourishes like weeds. Sorry, just the facts.
Where is ur ideas ?? Isnt it dumb idea to look for a broken wheel now a days ? Why on earth a casino give u this chance with such technological advantage they can check their wheel every minute?
Quote from: Turner on Sep 09, 03:58 PM 2018
I would like you to answer a question RG has asked you many times without reply.
Why do you care so much?
You have your words about Biased wheel fluff which is totally unproven. Just words
Why arnt you out there winning?
why sit in forums berating everything everyone posts. Why do you give a shit?. Arnt you busy collecting spins from wobbly mythical wheels?
He will most likely avoid these question and hiding in hole.
I would like to ask steve and mod to ban his gif posting (or delete).These r the way to cleverly insult people. There is no need of gif in constructive criticism
Quote from: Madi on Sep 09, 04:26 PM 2018
Where is ur ideas ?? Isnt it dumb idea to look for a broken wheel now a days ? Why on earth a casino give u this chance with such technological advantage they can check their wheel every minute?
Exactly, why? ::). I love inefficiency!
Quote from: Turner on Sep 09, 03:58 PM 2018
I would like you to answer a question RG has asked you many times without reply.
Why do you care so much?
You have your words about Biased wheel fluff which is totally unproven. Just words
Why arnt you out there winning?
why sit in forums berating everything everyone posts. Why do you give a shit?. Arnt you busy collecting spins from wobbly mythical wheels?
In my line of work I must spend time networking to keep tabs on my opportunities. This means I must spend a certain amount of time outside of the casino as well, on forums and social media. I also have a lot if free time, because the casino can only afford to lose just so much to me. ;) Along the way I'm providing you with extremely valuable knowledge. :xd:
How to download gifs?
I have an idea,
What would you think about a challenge?
You guys pick your best and brightest from the forum and we can have a playing challenge somewhere here in the US. Surely there's someone using the trot that is a winner, right? ::)
By the way, the game must take place IN an actual casino. And don't count on Turbo, he's too scared.
Waiting... ::)
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:03 PM 2018
In my line of work I must spend time networking to keep tabs on my opportunities. This means I must spend a certain amount of time outside of the casino as well, on forums and social media. I also have a lot if free time, because the casino can only afford to lose just so much to me. ;) Along the way I'm providing you with extremely valuable knowledge. :xd:
more words, more bullshit. I think you live in a dream world.
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:15 PM 2018By the way, the game must take place IN an actual casino
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:15 PM 2018By the way, the game must take place IN an actual casino
I see you don't have the testicular fortitude to play RNG.
What say you Nimo, are you in the US?
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:33 PM 2018
What say you Nimo, are you in the US?
I live in Canada. I play exclusively RNG. I'll give you 1 year to learn RNG play then we will talk. I'll even fly you up to my work area.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 09, 05:41 PM 2018
I live in Canada. I play exclusively RNG. I'll give you 1 year to learn RNG play then we will talk. I'll even fly you up to my work area.
I've already been there. :xd:
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:45 PM 2018
I've already been there. :xd:
Were you the guy holding the photo gifs at the intersections outside the casinos begging everyone to tell you where the wobbly wheels were? :twisted:
What part of Canada are you in?
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:00 PM 2018
Exactly, why? ::). I love inefficiency!
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If u used ur brain a bit u wouldnt ask “whyâ€. Ur love for ineffiency and the real world got a 100 mile difference
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:45 PM 2018
I've already been there. :xd:
And was a big loser. Rng cant be broken
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:03 PM 2018
In my line of work I must spend time networking to keep tabs on my opportunities. This means I must spend a certain amount of time outside of the casino as well, on forums and social media. . :xd:
This is actually clears that broken wheel already extnict. U r just using a telescope and dreaming one day u might find. Man thats enough take a short holiday again
Madi,
You're a trot guy, right? Are you in the US?
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 06:36 PM 2018
Madi,
You're a trot guy, right? Are you in the US?
General
Its the right time for you to stop disturbing others.. stick to your broken wheel dream and let the people do what they want. I hate to see when a broken wheel dreamer try to show other people the same rubbish dream
Quote from: Madi on Sep 09, 07:09 PM 2018
General
Its the right time for you to stop disturbing others.. stick to your broken wheel dream and let the people do what they want. I hate to see when a broken wheel dreamer try to show other people the same rubbish dream
Hmmm...so nobody believes in the trot here in the US huh? ::)
I'm willing to back up my claims, but evidently nobody else is. ::)
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I'm willing to back up my claims, but evidently nobody else is. ::)
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Go ahead backup. Not what doesnt work. Do what does work. Dont ask people to contact u personally. Do it on forum for all. Ur dream wont last even 10 sec man
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 05:15 PM 2018
I have an idea,
What would you think about a challenge?
You guys pick your best and brightest from the forum and we can have a playing challenge somewhere here in the US. Surely there's someone using the trot that is a winner, right? ::)
By the way, the game must take place IN an actual casino. And don't count on Turbo, he's too scared.
...and whoever has the most chips after 10 000 spins wins a bowl of chips. Or earns the right to change his diaper!
Quote from: Bigbroben on Sep 09, 07:43 PM 2018
...and whoever has the most chips after 10 000 spins wins a bowl of chips. Or earns the right to change his diaper!
Evidently they're afraid of me beating them on one of my nonexistent wobbly wheels. ::) It doesn't matter. None of the trot kids have two nickles to rub together, let alone enough for any kind of playing challenge. ::)
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 07:24 PM 2018
Hmmm...so nobody believes in the trot here in the US huh? ::)
I'm willing to back up my claims, but evidently nobody else is. ::)
I’m in the US but have no idea what a trot is unless I’m watching the ponies.
@ notto, thanks for the explanation regarding the trot, I appreciate it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 09, 11:34 AM 2018Good or what, there's sooooooooooo much more, but you listen to General and Steve
I agree with some of their opinions, but I wouldn't say I "listen" to them. I use systems myself and am not closed minded like the General (Steve seems to at least be open to the possibility that a winning system could potentially exist). I mostly agree with them about testing, or the lack of a proper method for doing it.
Anyway I'm coming around to your way of thinking regarding the General; he said he would upload a spin file showing how real spins differ from RNG, but he hasn't, even after I reminded him. I haven't been able to find any differences, and some of his recent comments are just plain silly. I'm beginning to see that he's mostly all talk and gifs. Having said that, scepticism is a good thing IMO, it helps to keep people honest.
Quote@ notto, thanks for the explanation regarding the trot, I appreciate it.
I agree with some of their opinions, but I wouldn't say I "listen" to them. I use systems myself and am not closed minded like the General (Steve seems to at least be open to the possibility that a winning system could potentially exist). I mostly agree with them about testing, or the lack of a proper method for doing it.
So you feel the experts, mathematicians, and history are perhaps wrong huh? Yes, that makes sense. ::) ::) ::)
QuoteAnyway I'm coming around to your way of thinking regarding the General; he said he would upload a spin file showing how real spins differ from RNG, but he hasn't, even after I reminded him. I haven't been able to find any differences, and some of his recent comments are just plain silly. I'm beginning to see that he's mostly all talk and gifs. Having said that, scepticism is a good thing IMO, it helps to keep people honest.
I had simply forgotten to upload them. I'll rush and upload them now though. ::)
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Don’t entertain it
To him you are a trottard and forumtard
Don’t justify the way you win anymore
I’ve come to realize ignoring and not engaging is the best way. The new me on forums lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 10, 01:46 PM 2018I’ve come to realize ignoring and not engaging is the best way.
Yep, don't feed the trolls. :thumbsup:
Joe
I'll ask this question
You mention is the TROT anything to do with Winkel's GUT.
Do you know the workings to GUT?
You can't listen to General, AKA, Snowman, herby, DSSAO and many others he has, as he doesn't like methods that work, only wobbly wheels
You have to ask logical question s and use some common sesne.
1. Why should it work when the probability, experts and history say that there are too many numbers on the wheel with a short house payout?
2. How do past numbers reach forward in time to affect the number of pockets on the wheel from one spin to the next?
3. Why are all of the experts and mathematicians wrong, and why should you believe some guy on a roulette forum instead?
4. What do the mathematicians on the wizardofvegas forum think about it?
Logic, it's always in the way. ::)
Did i address the question to you, you Bia-tard
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 05:15 PM 2018
You have to ask logical question s and use some common sesne.
1. Why should it work when the probability, experts and history say that there are too many numbers on the wheel with a short house payout?
2. How do past numbers reach forward in time to affect the number of pockets on the wheel from one spin to the next?
3. Why are all of the experts and mathematicians wrong, and why should you believe some guy on a roulette forum instead?
4. What do the mathematicians on the wizardofvegas forum think about it?
Logic, it's always in the way. ::)
General
Use ur head. U r behaving like a kid .
What history r u talking about? History tell us roulette cant be beaten unless a broken wheel.
I can see steve is beating everyday without doing any manipulation to the wheel
Quote from: The General on Sep 09, 07:24 PM 2018
I'm willing to back up my claims, but evidently nobody else is. ::)
Do it . U know what general,
“Empty drum sounds louderâ€
Quote from: Madi on Sep 10, 05:33 PM 2018
General
Use ur head. U r behaving like a kid .
What history r u talking about? History tell us roulette cant be beaten unless a broken wheel.
I can see steve is beating everyday without doing any manipulation to the wheel
Sorry, but the questions are quite reasonable and logical. However, it's highly unlikely that anyone will be able to answer any of them.
Why do you suppose that is?
Where did I say that the wheel had to be broken?
On the contrary, I win best when the wheel is running well. ;D
QuoteDo it . U know what general,
“Empty drum sounds louderâ€
Ermm...that doesn't make any sense.
By the way, find anyone to challenge The General yet?
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 06:06 PM 2018
On the contrary, I win best when the wheel is running well. ;D
Thats a drama. Still 1/37 and short payout. No way.
Ermm...that doesn't make any sense.
By the way, find anyone to challenge The General yet?
Actually people think u r a joke and its wasting their time. And also u r not up to their standard.( while u need special condition they can do it anywhere without any condituon)
Quote from: Madi on Sep 10, 06:48 PM 2018
Actually people think u r a joke and its wasting their time. And also u r not up to their standard.( while u need special condition they can do it anywhere without any condituon)
Madi,
I forget, are you in the US? If so, are you ducking the challenge too?
Yes, I need some special playing conditions to win, and I can't win on just every wheel. :)
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 06:50 PM 2018
Madi,
I forget, are you in the US? If so, are you ducking the challenge too?
Yes, I need some special playing conditions to win, and I can't win on just every wheel. :)
No i m not in US. Oh u need broken wheel ??Thats why its not worth to accept ur challange. People can win at any wheel . Camon u r far behind general. We left the wheel thing long before. Its wasting time can be beaten in live wheel. People r cashing out from RNG like ATM. And u r still counting the star at sky thinking is it a real roulette?
Quote from: Madi on Sep 10, 07:10 PM 2018
No i m not in US. Oh u need broken wheel ??Thats why its not worth to accept ur challange. People can win at any wheel . Camon u r far behind general. We left the wheel thing long before. Its wasting time can be beaten in live wheel. People r cashing out from RNG like ATM. And u r still counting the star at sky thinking is it a real roulette?
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So there's nobody in the US willing to play against The General?
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 07:13 PM 2018
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So there's nobody in the US willing to play against The General?
There may be but u need to upgrade ur brain. Throw the broken wheel junk from u head and stop dreaming in day time.
Best advice,
Admit urself to notto’s school. Take some classes . I will send u a free KFC
QuoteThere may be but u need to upgrade ur brain. Throw the broken wheel junk from u head and stop dreaming in day time.
Madi,
Follow the logic...if you can.
If there were no wheels on which I could regularly win, then I wouldn't be putting forth a challenge would I ? ::)
How about Ghosty. He's in the US, and I'm sure he's a firm believer in all things Notto, including the KFC! :twisted:
QuoteBest advice,
Admit urself to notto’s school. Take some classes . I will send u a free KFC
Why do you suppose it is that none of you KFC guys could ever beat the MPR game here? ::)
Orginal please. None of the extra crispy crap. :)
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 07:40 PM 2018
Madi,
Follow the logic...if you can.
If there were no wheels on which I could regularly win, then I wouldn't be putting forth a challenge would I ? ::)
My logic saying other thing. Anyone who can win wont waste a huge time like u trolling in different forum. And ur challange is childish. Challange would be a system player will lose and u will win. Not who can win more.again use ur head
QuoteMy logic saying other thing. Anyone who can win wont waste a huge time like u trolling in different forum.
Like I've said in the past, networking is part of the job. I must keep tabes on locations via boards and social media.
Quote
And ur challange is childish. Challange would be a system player will lose and u will win. Not who can win more.again use ur head
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Well, I will of course win and the system player will of course lose. But so far, none of the KTF folks are willing to step up. They've become ghosts, everyone of them! ::)
QuoteWell, I will of course win and the system player will of course lose. But so far, none of the KTF folks are willing to step up. They've become ghosts, everyone of them! ::)
well i do not know about KTF but you do not need to get so c***y...history have seen people geting smashed at roulete tables before
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 10, 03:49 PM 2018I'll ask this question You mention is the TROT anything to do with Winkel's GUT. Do you know the workings to GUT?
No, but someone sent me a pdf which explains it. I haven't got around to reading it yet.
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 01:07 PM 2018So you feel the experts, mathematicians, and history are perhaps wrong huh?
Who are these experts and mathematicians? can you give me names? And what history in particular are you alluding to?
Quote from: The General on Sep 10, 07:13 PM 2018
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So there's nobody in the US willing to play against The General?
What's the incentive? Bragging rights to say you are the best roulette player in the forum? It's like winning a colouring contest they have on kids placemats in restaurants. By all means have at the title. Caleb is the king of roulette in a forum. Official Royal name Earl of Immaturity.
Quote from: NIMOOver six figures per year withdrawn for many years, never had a problem, always in my account within 3 business days after a withdrawl request. Most of that has been for sports bets, now it's a mixture. I used to be able to withdrawl transfer of $100k per week, now it's limited to $100K per month. Limited amount, but withdrawl nonetheless. I have power generators in case power goes out, I have my own dedicated fibre optic trunk lines for my modems. My connection is direct, no other people use my lines. State of the art servers, modems , firmware and software to prevent lags and disconnections with software that would detect a forced lag or disconnection, I'm not sitting at a starbucks on a laptop or tablet doing this, my "office" is a 3000 sqft temperature and humidity controlled work room that looks like a NASA control room. Plus I have each spin session analysed to make sure spins are fair. It's a lot of work that I put into it. Like I said I treat this as a business and have invested heavily to make sure it succeeds, in most businesses you are lucky to break even within a year, I quadrupled my investment this year alone. Believe whatever you want.
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Quote from: The General on Sep 11, 11:07 AM 2018
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When I from first started betting sports, my strongest critic used to say its not possible, you win by doing that, the online sports book won't let you win, etc etc. I kept winning, he stopped being a naysayer, started listening and now is a member of my betting team. Caleb if you are in my area you are free to tour my office and see for yourself how people can work together for a common goal.
As far as I understand, the trot is of three kinds:
Fast - 0000000
Slow - 1210110
Average - 01001100
But I do not understand how many blocks the lynx consists of? Is it 5-6-7 or 10 blocks or something else?
Person S
have a look in real roulette spin section, you'll see countback, it will help you see this strange phenomenon (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/source723df.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tkXhL) that the 2 experts can't