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RNG 30k spins. Source Random.org (Above) The chi square is, as expected, quite random at only 42.85
The graph of the numbers represents a standard deviation graph as the numbers would normally lay on a double zero wheel.
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The wheel above is from a live wheel on the Las Vegas strip in a well known top of the line casino. Again 30k spins. Every spin has a date. As you can tell the chi square is quite high at 246.23. The standard deviation graph also shows a section that's walking away from the rest of the wheel.
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The wheel above is another live wheel. 38,525 spins. The chi again is quite high at 312.7 . The standard deviation graph is also high.
I see...
Also 30k spins for the one below (or a significant amount of spins)?
So you saying those number never get cold? How a clear fault escape from casino’s eye?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Sep 18, 08:23 PM 2018
I see...
Also 30k spins for the one below (or a significant amount of spins)?
All of the wheels above have at least 30k spins or more. Live wheels often begin to heavily diverge from RNGs much sooner than 30k spins. It's just that at 30k spins even an amateur can begin to differentiate the two. All of the live wheels above have a weak to moderate bias. Every wheel to some degree or another is biased. But not every wheel is biased enough to overcome the house edge. Meaning, not every wheel is playable.
Got my answer by reading a second time!
The chi sq (42 or 236) is the absolute sum of all 37 sub-values?
Quote from: Madi on Sep 18, 08:25 PM 2018
So you saying those number never get cold? How a clear fault escape from casino’s eye?
Madi,
That's actually a good question. Yes, even biased numbers can go extended periods of time without hitting. I've had even very strong biased numbers in the middle of a play go 200 spins without hitting. It's rare on strong biased numbers, but it can and does sometimes happen due to variance. The variance on such numbers is of course much smaller than it is on random numbers. If you're interested in seeing what the max drawdowns are for the strongest numbers and the max number of spins that they have gone without hitting then I can provide that. The key is to play enough spins to overcome the normal fluctuation of variance. Overtime, the edge is such that the variance has a negligible effect on the final outcome.
So, would this mean: if it was easy to have access to the historic of last 30k spins of the wheels, pretty much anyone with enough patience and bankroll could do it?
I take this info must be kept away from the public?
Say, what's the average life span of a wheel? How many spins in how many years?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Sep 18, 08:38 PM 2018
So, would this mean: if it was easy to have access to the historic of last 30k spins of the wheels, pretty much anyone with enough patience and bankroll could do it?
I take this info must be kept away from the public?
Say, what's the average life span of a wheel? How many spins in how many years?
I have some individual wheels with over 400k spins.
If I were to provide people with the data most people on this forum still would
not be able to win. The reason has to do with statistics, variance, foresight, and betting conditions. Many people believe that they could win with their systems on a biased wheel, but they're often wrong. The main problem is a short attention spin and a lack of foresight.
Exactly what physical abnormalities cause these 5 number sector bias?
I will say that on the third wheel it had some loose pocket inserts, and one raised fret.
On the others I ain't gonna tell though.
Ok . I wont go for that . You got your special technique.
Next
Why other people cant win even they know about bias .?
What u actually do to overcome the normal varience and reach the target? I mean what wagering plan or money management?
General, you didn't answer Madi's question : how is that such wheels don't get noticed by the casinos? And are you suggesting that most wheels will show this kind of bias after 30k spins?
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjwGveB1-A
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 08:17 PM 2018
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RNG 30k spins. Source Random.org (Above) The chi square is, as expected, quite random at only 42.85
The graph of the numbers represents a standard deviation graph as the numbers would normally lay on a double zero wheel.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/18/source74f53.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/t7etB)
The wheel above is from a live wheel on the Las Vegas strip in a well known top of the line casino. Again 30k spins. Every spin has a date. As you can tell the chi square is quite high at 246.23. The standard deviation graph also shows a section that's walking away from the rest of the wheel.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/18/sourcee3227.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/t7l39)
The wheel above is another live wheel. 38,525 spins. The chi again is quite high at 312.7 . The standard deviation graph is also high.
So what you are effectively saying is that a system played on RNG, that's based on the fact that things happen like they are supposed to, will happen like they are supposed to, because the chi doesn't get too much out of balance and can be relied upon even after 30,000 spins. Hmmm did you just prove systems like GUT by Winkel and KTF by Not to work in the long run?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 05:17 AM 2018
General, you didn't answer Madi's question : how is that such wheels don't get noticed by the casinos? And are you suggesting that most wheels will show this kind of bias after 30k spins?
What he shows us a very simple thing. Collect more spin and analysis of chi , SD. Wish it would be that simple. That much fault in 30k gues what will happen in 400k. General is a billionire.
What i got from general. He depends on past spin heavily and next spin doesnt matter for him.
The theory of next spin , he only use to stab system player.
Quote from: Madi on Sep 19, 06:20 AM 2018
What i got from general. He depends on past spin heavily and next spin doesnt matter for him.
Past spins can be used to measure the fitness of the gaming device.
QuoteHmmm did you just prove systems like GUT by Winkel and KTF by Not to work in the long run?
Nope.
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 09:35 AM 2018
Past spins can be used to measure the fitness of the gaming device.
Nope.
If you knew how Turbo played you would know that the more random the spins the better chance of winning his method. Bring on a chi square of 1!
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 10:01 AM 2018
If you knew how Turbo played you would know that the more random the spins the better chance of winning his method. Bring on a chi square of 1!
I know his system. It crashes and burns, as predicted, especially on a wheel with a very low chi square. In order for his hot number method to work he would need a wheel with a very very high chi square, not a low one. His comment about needing random to win was foolish.
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 10:09 AM 2018
I know his system. It crashes and burns, as predicted, especially on a wheel with a very low chi square. In order for his hot number method to work he would need a wheel with a very very high chi square, not a low one. His comment about needing random to win was foolish.
Ah but you don't know his system then. Just what you assume it is. Like I said if you actually knew exactly what he does, you would know a low chi is perfect for it, and an RNG continuous low chi square is long, term winnings.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 10:14 AM 2018
Ah but you don't know his system then. Just what you assume it is. Like I said if you actually knew exactly what he does, you would know a low chi is perfect for it, and an RNG continuous low chi square is long, term winnings.
Nimo,
Turbo explained it on Gambler's Forum. LOL! ::)
Yep, remember that Coming up with new ways takes special talent, but using published ways does not work.
Anyone who has a winning system won’t publish it unless he is stupid or mad!
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 10:16 AM 2018
Nimo,
Turbo explained it on Gambler's Forum. LOL! ::)
That's not it, but you keep thinking it is.
Thanks for starting this thread and showing us that real wheels can show a huge bias and that RNG can be depended upon to be consistent so that systems that exploit that about it can be proven and work in the long run.
See you aren't totally useless.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 10:46 AM 2018
That's not it, but you keep thinking it is.
and that RNG can be depended upon to be consistent so that systems that exploit that about it can be proven and work in the long run.
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So far nobody has ever proven that such a system exists. ::)
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 10:01 AM 2018
If you knew how Turbo played you would know that the more random the spins the better chance of winning his method. Bring on a chi square of 1!
Chi square 1, pls tell me where can I find this wheel ? No worries I'll pay you :xd:
Only play against real wheels, not software roulette: Online casinos often use software roulette where there is no physical roulette. This is called RNG roulette, and isn’t roulette at all â€" it’s a slot machine, and they are impossible to beat. Some online casinos even used rigged RNG where the winnings of other players will determine whether or not you win. This is far from fair. If you play online roulette, stick to the webcam roulette wheels where you can see spins from a real wheel. :twisted:
What like smartlive 8)
The problem is the online wheel casino software will still freeze your account if you win consistently, and their legal disclaimer allows them to get away with it because of weak online gaming law. This leaves in place only the losing players... that return like junkies seeking heroin from their dealers.
Yes, extra large bold type means it must be true. ::)
QuoteThe problem is the online wheel casino software will still freeze your account if you win consistently, and their legal disclaimer allows them to get away with it because of weak online gaming law.
And this is from your vast experience playing at online casinos. ::)
Some of us live in jurisdictions where the gaming laws are not weak.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 02:08 PM 2018
Yes, extra large bold type means it must be true. ::)
And this is from your vast experience playing at online casinos. ::)
Some of us live in jurisdictions where the gaming laws are not weak.
1. I've read the online agreements
2. I have AP friends that have had money seized several times.
What's your gaming location. I'll pull up the online casino agreement for you to read so that you can see just how predatory it really is. ::)
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 02:50 PM 2018
What's your gaming location. I'll pull up the online casino agreement for you to read so that you can see just how predatory it really is. ::)
For me, say: SpinPalace, Canada.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 19, 01:14 PM 2018
Only play against real wheels, not software roulette: Online casinos often use software roulette where there is no physical roulette. This is called RNG roulette, and isn’t roulette at all â€" it’s a slot machine, and they are impossible to beat. Some online casinos even used rigged RNG where the winnings of other players will determine whether or not you win. This is far from fair. If you play online roulette, stick to the webcam roulette wheels where you can see spins from a real wheel. :twisted:
This may have been true when online gaming first started coming online, however the ones that are still in business, are stick exchange listed, conduct business in countries with strict gaming laws. They are the ones to stay with.
When I went to make my first large withdrawl, I had to be properly vetted. They wanted to make sure I wasn't laundering money or any such sort of thing. I ended up getting paid and now I make weekly large withdrawals without issue.
As for the RNG being rigged. I have had spins tested by an independent third party auditor. Never an issue there either.
Don't believe old wives tales.
Which online casino are you doing business with?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Sep 19, 04:13 PM 2018
Which online casino are you doing business with?
William Hill
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 10:16 AM 2018
Nimo,
Turbo explained it on Gambler's Forum. LOL! ::)
Great! Got a link so we can all satisfy ourselves that it doesn't work? ;)
And you still haven't explained why casinos don't seem to be concerned when their wheels show obvious bias after 30k spins. ::)
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 02:50 PM 2018
1. I've read the online agreements
2. I have AP friends that have had money seized several times.
There's ya problem. Don't play AP online, stick to RNG. I've never had a problem withdrawing and have never had any of my accounts seized.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 21, 03:27 AM 2018
There's ya problem. Don't play AP online, stick to RNG. I've never had a problem withdrawing and have never had any of my accounts seized.
Joe,
Do not mislead people.
You are supposed to be smart and already know the consequences of playing RNG
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 21, 03:41 AM 2018You are supposed to be smart and already know the consequences of playing RNG
RB, you're the one misleading people. There is no difference between RNG and spins from a real wheel. If you believe there is, prove it. The consequences of playing RNG are that I win. Why should I play on a real wheel when (a) it's much slower and (b) the chances that I will be banned are much higher given that the casinos think like the general : that you can't beat RNG, only real wheels using AP.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 05:10 PM 2018William Hill
Never played there myself, but I've heard a lot of negative reports about players being banned when playing their live wheels, even when they only win small amounts. Stick to RNG and you should be ok though. :thumbsup:
Such a small assumption.
If every live wheel has bias and some numbers are more frequent in certain periods.
Why not, play, something trivially simple.
Play the hottest double street in intervals of 50 spins.
If some sector will have an advantage with time it will be visible.
I writes about sessions for 400 spins per day, here.
Playing a particular hottest number would certainly be more effective, but it would require more advanced tracking.
Quote from: ozon on Sep 22, 06:22 PM 2018
Such a small assumption.
If every live wheel has bias and some numbers are more frequent in certain periods.
Why not, play, something trivially simple.
Play the hottest double street in intervals of 50 spins.
If some sector will have an advantage with time it will be visible.
I writes about sessions for 400 spins per day, here.
Playing a particular hottest number would certainly be more effective, but it would require more advanced tracking.
Why would you want to play double streets??? There would be too many random numbers bet with the biased numbers. Playing double streets would wash out and negate the bias.
I gave it more as an example, for sure the best option would be to choose 6 individual numbers.
Only a question about how many spins you can evaluate bias?
If we collect, for example, 5,000 spins from an online wheel and start playing 6 hottest numbers, it will be a good starting point.