Roulette is not my only passion, I also like to play on the betting exchanges.
Here in the UK we have a company called betfair which is great for trading.
The beautiful thing about this is that you can choose to be either a 'backer' or 'layer'.
So if you fancy something to win, you back it. If you fancy something to lose, you lay it.
There is plenty of liquidity in the market and I personally never have a problem matching any of my bets with other customers on the site. The company really just acts as a middleman. They take a small comission of winning bets.
I will start giving out a bet on most days day, it could be a 'back' or a 'lay'.
The backing aspect should be simple enough for anyone to understand.
example: back horse a at odds of 2/1. You will be returned 2/1 + your stake back.
Laying is a bit more difficult. Suppose you did not fancy horse a to win at 2/1. Here you are offering someone else to back it with you, if it loses, you keep their stake. If it wins, you pay them out. Obviously it is up to you what you are prepared to win or lose.
If you decide to lay the horse for 60.00 of your own money, that means you stand to win 30.00 should the horse lose. If it wins, you lose your 60.00.
On betfair, you can back or lay more or less any sporting event that is happening around the world. I will be mostly concentrating on horseracing on this thread.
If you don't have access to betfair, then when I recommend a bet to 'back' you should still be able to use a traditional bookmaker to get a bet on if you wish.
Bet number 1.
2.35 exeter. sommersby. (back to win) The current price is 3.5 or 5/2 in my language. This means if you place a 10.00 bet and the horse wins, you get back 25.00 winnings + your 10.00 stake back.
I will keep a running total of all the bets and I expect to make a profit at the end of every month.
I would recommend putting the same stake on each selection regardless of the odds when backing the selections.
Ah! Thanks for what promises to be an excellent thread with actual tips.
Excellent expansion for the "Online Gaming" section :thumbsup:
Good on ya Luke!
Hope you get good feedback.
Cheers!
@Victor, I imagine I will get good feedback for the winners and 'not so good' feedback for the losers. ;D Only joking. It is a long term project and the aim is to show a monthly profit.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 02, 07:28 AM 2010
I imagine I will get good feedback for the winners and 'not so good' feedback for the losers.
hahaha, pretty sharp conclusions :D
Looking forward to see the development of the thread :thumbsup:
Cheers!
Quote from: VLS on Nov 02, 07:52 AM 2010
hahaha, pretty sharp conclusions :D
Looking forward to see the development of the thread :thumbsup:
Cheers!
Hi flukey luke
Good luck with this thread, I used to do a lot of trading on Betfair a few years ago, but work got in the way, but this is something I will be picking up again in the new year.
Thanks
malcop
A nice 2m 1f Handicap Chase-going Soft
This is the sort of race i wud not touch with a barge pole lol :D
I see TWIST MAGIC runs today at 22/1
However if I were to play it would be on TCHICO POLOS Each Way at 4/1 ;D
SOMERSBY is as low as 7/4 in places now
Oooooo I had a nice 1st-2nd Forecast Paying 45/1 :D
Exeter 2.35 Full Result
1st Tchico Polos 3-1
2nd Twist Magic 16-1
3rd Somersby 9-4 F
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 02, 10:48 AM 2010
Oooooo I had a nice 1st-2nd Forecast Paying 45/1 :D
Exeter 2.35 Full Result
1st Tchico Polos 3-1
2nd Twist Magic 16-1
3rd Somersby 9-4 F
wohooo! Congrats (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Themes/anone/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Well done Twister, I thought the second string was going to get up and beat the other one for a moment.
Well, I started with a loss. So -1 point after today. Tomorrow is another day.
My average so far this year is at +22 per month, so don't panic just yet. :)
Thanx :)
I will follow with interest as I play all my horse bets on Betfair ;D
I do love an each way tickle against a talking horse fav :D
+22 per month is good :thumbsup:
Whats ure POT luke ?
Today's selection is the following.
Bet number 2.
4.05 nottingham. hail tiberius. (back to win) the current price is 13.0 or 12/1.
With this one, I suggest to do it each way. So basically you are just splitting your 1 point stake in half.
good luck.
The horse today (hail tiberius) will appreciate the extra furlong and the heavier going.
I fully expect it to run into a place at the very least. :thumbsup:
Good luck luke !
I'm going Each Way on HIGH FIVE SOCIETY at 7/1 ;D
Ure one is 14/1 with Skybet !
Good luck Twister,
Let's hope one of us right. (or both for that matter) :D
Yeah I will do a RFC as well with ures :thumbsup:
Mines up for the Treble, horses for courses and all that........has a high draw which is good in my opinion
Good luck !
EDIT:
I see the Price crashed just after our exchange of messages ! 14-----10/1
Where do you get U're info from ?
Twister, I compile my own ratings first and foremost. On saying that, I do have contacts in the sport and I also know a few guys that work in the trading rooms at one of the major bookmakers. This has it's advantages. If one of my contacts tells me something is fancied, I can check around to see if the 'right' people are putting money down.
On saying all that, it is all about opinions. The secret as always is to be right a bit more than your wrong and make a profit. There are no instant riches to be had.
The horse I tipped up today got well backed in the afternoon into 8/1 on course before drifting back out to 9's. Unfortunately it lost and that leaves me at -2 points for the month now.
As an aside and this will not be my tip tomorrow (I will never tip up an odds on shot), I have had some information for a horse running in the 3.50 at haydock tomorrow called 'lively baron' They are 8 runners in the race, but I think the best I can hope for is a shade of odds on. I will be having a lumpy bet on myself because the guy who told me is a pretty shrewd judge and very rarely comes away empty handed when the money is down.
Sometimes I can get an early price for a horse the night before and back it with Paddy Power or Bet365. If the horse gets smashed of the boards, then I can lay it back and guarantee a profit either way, win or lose.
For those interested in a program to:
* get bets on instantly so as to lock in the price
* run dutch books (backing or laying)
* trade with greening
then Bet-IE ( "Betty" to her multitude of worshippers, including little moi) is worth your consideration.
It's been around quite a while.
Does what it says on the tin.
The one-off purchase includes all future updates.
And support is resonsive, timely and helpful.
I bought it about 4 years ago and would never use BF without it.
[Disclaimers: I am not the owner. I do not sell it. The owner is not a relative. I am not married to the owner.]
Quote from: esoito on Nov 03, 10:35 PM 2010
For those interested in a program to:
* get bets on instantly so as to lock in the price
* run dutch books (backing or laying)
* trade with greening
then Bet-IE ( "Betty" to her multitude of worshippers, including little moi) is worth your consideration.
It's been around quite a while.
Does what it says on the tin.
The one-off purchase includes all future updates.
And support is resonsive, timely and helpful.
I bought it about 4 years ago and would never use BF without it.
[Disclaimers: I am not the owner. I do not sell it. The owner is not a relative. I am not married to the owner.]I have Bet-IE and a few other from the program creators and can fully agree with esoito well worth the price.
Bet number 3.
2.40 haydock. laredo sound (back to win) It is 8.0 - 7/1 at the moment. I expect this one to shorten up a bit before the start.
The horse I got a mention for 'lively baron' is 4/9. Not really my sort of price. Will hold off and hope for maybe around 8/11 at the opening show (fingers crossed) :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 04, 06:48 AM 2010
Bet number 3.
2.40 haydock. laredo sound (back to win) It is 8.0 - 7/1 at the moment. I expect this one to shorten up a bit before the start.
The horse I got a mention for 'lively baron' is 4/9. Not really my sort of price. Will hold off and hope for maybe around 8/11 at the opening show (fingers crossed) :thumbsup:
Wow thats a brave bet,imo.
I would want 16/1 before touching that lol
Good luck with gettin 8/11 too :D My fingers will be crossed for you :thumbsup:
The money is coming for laredo sound as we speak, a lot of badly handicapped horses in the race and think this may be the day for my one.
I doubt very much I will get 8/11 for 'lively baron' :D
I may have a nifty on at 4/6 if I can get it. :thumbsup:
It's all happening today :)
I am going to post up my first 'lay of the day' today as well.
Remember, laying is backing a horse to lose. You can only do this with a betfair trading account. Basically, if you have an opinion that a horse will lose, someone who thinks it will win will back against you. In my opinion it is slightly easier to find losers than winners. I say this because I lay horses that are strong in the market (ie. favourites) any mug can say a 20/1 shot will lose. :D You will get away with it and then one day the 20/1 beast wins and all your profits are gone. :'(
Lay of the day.
3.40 lingfield. papageno. (lay to lose) It is a 2.0 or 1/1 shot at the moment. I can't have it and will be laying it accordingly.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 04, 07:07 AM 2010
Wow that's a brave bet,in my opinion.
I would want 16/1 before touching that LoL
Good luck with gettin 8/11 too :D My fingers will be crossed for you :thumbsup:
Came last. Maybe it broke a blood vessel ?
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 04, 08:29 AM 2010
It's all happening today :)
I am going to post up my first 'lay of the day' today as well.
Remember, laying is backing a horse to lose. You can only do this with a betfair trading account. Basically, if you have an opinion that a horse will lose, someone who thinks it will win will back against you. In my opinion it is slightly easier to find losers than winners. I say this because I lay horses that are strong in the market (ie. favourites) any mug can say a 20/1 shot will lose. :D You will get away with it and then one day the 20/1 beast wins and all your profits are gone. :'(
Lay of the day.
3.40 lingfield. papageno. (lay to lose) It is a 2.0 or 1/1 shot at the moment. I can't have it and will be laying it accordingly.
Nice Lay :thumbsup:
A bit of a mixed day.
The win bet laredo sound losing.
The tip on lively baron winning.
The lay bet winning (which means it lost as I expected)
I never backed the tip, the price ended up at 2/7. 4/9 was the best price I could have had.
Laredo sound was travelling well and just seemed to blow up.
I was happy with the lay, it never really looked like winning.
I will keep seperate figures for the 3 different types of bets.
My personal win bets.
Tips (information).
My personal Lays.
Hi
I just wanted to say how much I am enjoying this thread.
I am not posting or commenting because the horses are newish to me....so thank you for the good reading :thumbsup:
Thank you Blood Angel, It's good to know a few people are following with interest.
I was thinking of putting up a kind of blog/diary on a thread where I share my daily experiences. I could share some of the methods I use and explain a bit more on how to look for value selections.
Bet number 4.
4.10 hexham. Gavroche Gaugain. (back to win) it is 6.0 - 5/1 at the moment with most major firms. I think this one could go clear favourite before the race and the price will probably shorten.
Anyway, good luck if anybody plays. :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 07:10 AM 2010
Bet number 4.
4.10 hexham. Gavroche Gaugain. (back to win) it is 6.0 - 5/1 at the moment with most major firms. I think this one could go clear favourite before the race and the price will probably shorten.
Anyway, good luck if anybody plays. :thumbsup:
A 2m Hanicap Chase (5) on Heavy Going
Wow you is a brave boy !
I think No10 Janal Each Way at 10/1 is the value
Good luck to whoever plays in that race !!!
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 09:23 AM 2010
A 2m Hanicap Chase (5) on Heavy Going
Wow you is a brave boy !
I think No10 Janal Each Way at 10/1 is the value
Good luck to whoever plays in that race !!!
Get In Janal 10/1 Winner ;D !
Well done Twister :)
I had a saver on your tip, so not all bad. Janal ran a good race making most of the running.
I will need to pull my finger out to keep up with you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 12:37 PM 2010
Well done Twister :)
I had a saver on your tip, so not all bad. Janal ran a good race making most of the running.
I will need to pull my finger out to keep up with you. :thumbsup:
Yeah a 4/1 Winner with a 45/1 Forecast followed by a 10/1 Winner LoL :D
I will leave you to it luke, it was rude of me to muscle in :-[
Good luck Bud, I will follow with interest :thumbsup:
I'm still interested to hear what your POT is though ?
Don't go now Twister, you are in good form. :)
This year has being pretty good for me so far, my POT on just my own selections is a little over 50%. I can't honestly expect to keep that up forever.
My lays are going well and the info is rock solid most of the time. I have made more doing this than playing roulette over the last 10 months. In fact roulette has kind of taken a back seat. I like the challenge of the exchanges because I am still pretty new to it all and learning as I go along.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 02:18 PM 2010
Don't go now Twister, you are in good form. :)
This year has being pretty good for me so far, my POT on just my own selections is a little over 50%. I can't honestly expect to keep that up forever.
My lays are going well and the info is rock solid most of the time. I have made more doing this than playing roulette over the last 10 months. In fact roulette has kind of taken a back seat. I like the challenge of the exchanges because I am still pretty new to it all and learning as I go along.
OK, if ure sure ?
50% ?
Thats very impressive !!
Most Pro's will aim for around 10%, obviously more if they can acheive it.
I used to be a member of a Pro service and spent 2 weeks with the guy. Taught me alot.
I always price up my own book and then look for value.
That horse today I had as a 3/1 chance. As in if I were a Bookmaker I wud not of offered more than 3's
I looked and as soon as I saw it was 10's Bam its a selection !
Obviously the last few days are not the norm
On another day ure horse wud not of fallen and I would of been 2nd, but then jumping is the name of the game and all that blah blah blah :D
I was impressed with ure lay the other day for sure. It was one of those races that made you think, ok it may lose but what is going to beat it !
There was one race you played in and I didnt have a bet. Had 10 runners but 8 of them cud of won it, hence I avoided it.
Ok, we carry on as before :)
If i have a selection in a different race i will post that too
(just btwn you and me-I used to have my own tipping service, advertising in the Post) went tits with the divorce but prior to that I was 2nd only to Isiris.
Ok mate, catch you 2moz :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 02:35 PM 2010
I was 2nd only to Isiris.
Some people have all the luck. Kevin had a nice au pair as well. :wink:
lol I used to be up at 4am getting ready for the day
Got banned from Sean Graham in Ireland Corals Napoleons and a few more
Sorry sir, win only at SP.....YAWN :yawn:
One time I phoned up Coral and wanted 500 e/w on at 5/1......Win only at SP they said.....was high so went for 1k win at SP........romped in 7L clear and SP'd at 8/1 :D
I think Kevin still does his losers line for Isiris, im not sure though.
To be fair Twister, I have had some big priced winners thrown in that lot. But if you don't back a 16-1 shot, then you 'aint getting a 16-1 winner. ;D
I am in it for a long term profit. I can't be doing with 6-4 shots when the jockeys are trying to be too clever half the time. I will look forward to your selections. I am pretty certain that between us, we can come up with some good stuff.
My mistake, not tony :D
Yes I heard a lot of tales about Mr Booth.
He once claimed he was kidnapped and someone else was running his tipping line, LoL.
Needless to say, that was a bad spell. He just started back up not so long ago.
The problem with his stuff was that you could never get on before the price crash.
I have that problem solved now. I get some info the night before sometimes and can back it for small amounts at PP AND 365. An easy lay the next morning once all the punters get out of bed. If I get anything I will put it up. It is great backing a 20/1 the night before and waking up finding it is about 7's and laying it.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 02:48 PM 2010
To be fair Twister, I have had some big priced winners thrown in that lot. But if you don't back a 16-1 shot, then you 'ain't getting a 16-1 winner. ;D
I am in it for a long term profit. I can't be doing with 6-4 shots when the jockeys are trying to be too clever half the time. I will look forward to your selections. I am pretty certain that between us, we can come up with some good stuff.
Spot on mate.
Value Value Value
If you are always backing 3/1 shots at 10/1 ure win in the long term
Did you ever see the Aussie dogs Corals did ?
They totally PHUCKED UP !
Aussie dogs are priced like the Tote
Corals were giving out board prices
Every day 6 days a week for 6 months until they banned me i was backing Aussie dogs
The RP gave the Tissue price
Often it would say 6/4 etc
The board price was 5s BEFORE coming in to 6/4.....Totally cleaned up
Best one EVER was Tissue of 1/10 and I got 16s before it went off at 1/5 (yes it was that volatile!)
Ah I was in Heaven ;D
You sound like a shrewd cookie mate ;D
There will always be angles to exploit and once that loophole closes, it is a case of finding another one.
Look at the great Phil Bull, made a fortune from photo finishes. The hole in one gang. etc...
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 02:52 PM 2010
My mistake, not tony :D
Yes I heard a lot of tales about Mr Booth.
He once claimed he was kidnapped and someone else was running his tipping line, LoL.
Needless to say, that was a bad spell.
In the summer of '98 you couldnt get on an Isiris horse for love nor money
They were throwing out winners like you wudnt believe
One time i did it as fast as possible
Got the bet, phoned corals......almost got the bet on until the "pit boss" starts shouting the name of the Isiris horse.....then got sorry sir no bet :D
Havin said all of that Im not a fan of "inside info"
Its all a matter of opinion.....most Trainers say good things things as do the Jocks
Anyway Ive rambled enough
You are only as good as ure last winner in this trade
Your only remembered for ure losers, think of Peter Sandrovich :xd:
There used to be a phone box just outside laddies and with Isiris, you were always told to phone about 5-10 minutes before the race. So I would rush out, phone up and dive back in to the counter with my slip. The prices used to get gobbled up in a minute, lol.
One of the best blokes I ever knew was a guy by the name of Russell Clarke, lives in Spain now and concentrates mostly on football betting, he was one of the few genuine guys in the sport. I agree with all you say about trainers. They may think their horse is the best thing since sliced bread but they don't always know what everybody else is up to.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 03:08 PM 2010
There used to be a phone box just outside laddies and with Isiris, you were always told to phone about 5-10 minutes before the race. So I would rush out, phone up and dive back in to the counter with my slip. The prices used to get gobbled up in a minute, LoL.
One of the best blokes I ever knew was a guy by the name of Russell Clarke, lives in Spain now and concentrates mostly on football betting, he was one of the few genuine guys in the sport. I agree with all you say about trainers. They may think their horse is the best thing since sliced bread but they don't always know what everybody else is up to.
Ah yes :)
The times I did that lol
Again got banned from my local coral shop
Didnt have a bet in there for like 2-3 months
Then one time sent the Mrs in. She wrote it out, went to put it on and they said "Paul is banned from here" LOL and they didnt even know who she was
Ok last bask in glory before dinna
My fav bet EVER was I spent a whole day driving round Surrey back a horse at 10/1. The fav was 1/10
My horse got up on the line (all weather at southwell) and won
Fact 98% of odds on horses lose 1st time out on All weather, that little piece of info will keep you warm for a while !
I have to goooooo mrs has a nice steak pie waiting for me
Catch ya 2moz mate :thumbsup:
ok mate, speak tomorrow. Enjoy your pie.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 05, 03:00 PM 2010
You sound like a shrewd cookie mate ;D
There will always be angles to exploit and once that loophole closes, it is a case of finding another one.
Look at the great Phil Bull, made a fortune from photo finishes. The hole in one gang. etc...
Soz I missed this reply :-[
The hole in one gang was Awesome !
They were getting 50/1 even 100/1 at times, though a few didnt pay (bad losers)
Never to be repeated thats for sure !
Good morning everyone,
I want to put this up here first.
Had some information from one of my contacts for the following.
12.50 doncaster. fettucine (back to win) it is 3-0 - 2/1 at the moment.
This price definately won't last. This is the same guy that gave me 'lively baron' the other day and at least the price is right here. At 2/1, it is a great bet. My friend at one of the trading centres confirms the shrewdies are on.
good luck.
One other bit of info from my mate at the trading room.
A lot of money has being going down on Kilmarnock to beat St Johnstone in the SPL Premier Football League in Scotland. It is pretty much one sided at the moment. Normally this kind of info pays off as well. I think Kilmarnock are a best priced 5/2 with william hill.
edit. I said earlier I thought they were 5/6, my mistake. At 5/2, I am lumping on. :wink:
Bet number 5.
3.20 wincanton. barizian (back to win) 10.0 - 9/1 best price around at the moment.
good luck to anyone playing today.
phew, I can get back to roulette now. :D
Back again. :D
Just a quick word about the kilmarnock bet.
Paddy Power bookmakers offer a (draw-no bet) This price is 5/4.
This basically means if it is a draw, you get your money book. The only thing that can beat you here is if St Johnstone win, I really don't think that is going to happen today.
If you are risk averse, then 5/4 for the draw-no bet is cracking value. :smile:
Two selections from me today, but 3 bets and one with a Price Stipulation
Doncaster 12:50
No3 Iceblast Each Way at 5/1
At the moment its only 7/2 4/1 in a place WAIT for the opening shows, if it drifts to 5/1 have the bet. Less than 5/1 NO BET
Next Selection
Doncaster 14:00
No15 Eton Rifles
TAKE the 12/1 NOW on this. Its as low as 8/1 with Coral
and Final selection is an Each Way Double those two selection but with NO price Stipulation except TAKE the 12/1 on Eton Rifles NOW
Good luck all
I wont be able to watch, but I'm sure luke will give us a blow by blow account of what happens !
cheers for posting up your selections Twister,
Let's hope between us, we can lighten the bookies load a bit. ;D
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 06, 07:33 AM 2010
Bet number 5.
3.20 wincanton. barizian (back to win) 10.0 - 9/1 best price around at the moment.
good luck to anyone playing today.
phew, I can get back to roulette now. :D
Barizan runs in the 2.10 Wincanton :)
Lol, I think I need a holiday. :thumbsup:
HA HA :D
Egypt is nice this time of year :)
Any camel racing over there this time of the year? :ooh:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 06, 08:02 AM 2010
Two selections from me today, but 3 bets and one with a Price Stipulation
Doncaster 12:50
No3 Iceblast Each Way at 5/1
At the moment its only 7/2 4/1 in a place WAIT for the opening shows, if it drifts to 5/1 have the bet. Less than 5/1 NO BET
Next Selection
Doncaster 14:00
No15 Eton Rifles
TAKE the 12/1 NOW on this. Its as low as 8/1 with Coral
and Final selection is an Each Way Double those two selection but with NO price Stipulation except TAKE the 12/1 on Eton Rifles NOW
Good luck all
I wont be able to watch, but I'm sure luke will give us a blow by blow account of what happens !
Ok saw the 1st race and 9/2 was the best price so it became a no bet
We lost the each way double
Lets hope Eton Rifles is as good as I think :D 12/1 still in some places !!
Eton Rifles was 2nd in a photo finish
At 12/1 we had a great run and get a return of 3/1 a place as we did it Each Way :thumbsup:
Unlucky on eton raffles for the win Twister.
My 2 horses let me down but Kilmarnock thumped St Johnstone 3-0.
I did the draw-no bet to be safe, but when the 2 horses lost, I got a bit brave and decided to do a Kilmarnock win bet as well. :D
Spent an afternoon in the casino and did ok there, so all in all, not a bad day.
Hopefully the horse results will turn around next week.
The angle I have on the football is a good one. It does not happen so often in the UK games, but in europe, you would be surprised. ;)
When money comes for just one team in a mad rush, that team has the uncanny ability of winning the game. :D
Cool nice touch on the footie :thumbsup:
got some nice horses for 2moz........depending on the prices !
Well I did have 5 horses for today but due to lack of value in the prices im left with 2 selections
We are havin 2 each way singles and an each way double
First selection,
Hereford 13:00 No2 Causing Chaos Each Way at 5/1 or bigger
Second selection,
Market Rasen 13:50 No1 Get It On Each Way at 9/2 or bigger
And Finally an Each Way Double those two selections
Good luck all :thumbsup:
Good morning guys (just made it) :D
Two bets for today.
Bet number 6.
1.50 market rasen. maceda (back to win) 3.75 - 11/4 best price at the moment.
Fingers crossed for this one, I really like it.
Football.
I can't see how chelsea are 2.00 - 11/10 to beat liverpool today in the English Barclays Premier League. I know liverpool have strung a few results together over the last few weeks, but in my opinion Chelsea should win comfortably today. I will be backing Chelsea with confidence.
good luck to anybody that plays.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 07, 05:29 AM 2010
Well I did have 5 horses for today but due to lack of value in the prices I'm left with 2 selections
We are havin 2 each way singles and an each way double
First selection,
Hereford 13:00 No2 Causing Chaos Each Way at 5/1 or bigger
Second selection,
Market Rasen 13:50 No1 Get It On Each Way at 9/2 or bigger
And Finally an Each Way Double those two selections
Good luck all :thumbsup:
Ok a good day :)
1st selection lost, so the e/w double went down too but the selection
Get It On was a very easy winner even when almost falling at the last it won easy. Early price of 9/2 was massive and the selection went off around 5/2 so a nice touch :thumbsup:
My selection Maceada was second to Twister's in the same race. The f/c paid a nice 14.88.
I am going to dutch them in future if we both have selections in the same race. :)
For anyone who does not know what dutching is, it just means backing two horses in the same race, if either win, you make a profit.
Had a phone call of my mate in the trading room, he tells me that a LOT of money is going on to an NFL game tonight. (Chicago vs Buffalo) The advice is to back Chicago giving up a 3 point start. (this means they are efeectively minus 3 going into the game) With Ladbrokes, they are 10/11. If you shop around, you may get 1/1. Anyway money talks, and a lot of it is pouring onto Chicago.
It is not just the amount of money, but more importantly where it comes from.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 07, 10:17 AM 2010
My selection Maceada was second to Twister's in the same race. The f/c paid a nice 14.88.
I am going to dutch them in future if we both have selections in the same race. :)
For anyone who does not know what dutching is, it just means backing two horses in the same race, if either win, you make a profit.
Had a phone call of my mate in the trading room, he tells me that a LOT of money is going on to an NFL game tonight. (Chicago vs Buffalo) The advice is to back Chicago giving up a 3 point start. (this means they are efeectively minus 3 going into the game) With Ladbrokes, they are 10/11. If you shop around, you may get 1/1. Anyway money talks, and a lot of it is pouring onto Chicago.
It is not just the amount of money, but more importantly where it comes from.
On another day when mine nosed at the last you wud of gone on to win, was lucky to stay upright !
Im not a fan of backing two horses in one race, unless its a RFC which I may do in future if we go head to head again :)
Thanx for the tip on the NFL, let us know how it goes :thumbsup:
Chelsea let me down today as well, losing 2-0 to Liverpool.
I phoned the Samaritans and asked them for help. The lady gave me a tip for the dogs tomorrow. :'(
Seriously, it has not being a great week. If Chicago don't win tonight, it will be beans on toast for the rest of the week. :D
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 07, 01:35 PM 2010
Chelsea let me down today as well, losing 2-0 to Liverpool.
I phoned the Samaritans and asked them for help. The lady gave me a tip for the dogs tomorrow. :'(
Seriously, it has not being a great week. If Chicago don't win tonight, it will be beans on toast for the rest of the week. :D
Ah we all have bad weeks mate and months sometimes.
Lets hope Chicago land the spoils !
Ive got a Pearl of a horse for 2morrow......depending on the price of course :)
Ok last week was a Stonker for me with some nice priced winners :thumbsup:
So new week, 7 bets today
Its called a Patent and we are doing it Each Way
Thats 3 each way singles 3 each way doubles and an each way treble
TAKE THE MORNING PRICES NOW !
Carlisle 1.20 No8 TWENTYNINEBLACK
Take the 9/2-4/1
Carlisle 2.25 No8 SOTOVIK
Take the 7/2
Carlisle 3.30 No6 OVERQUEST
Take the 4/1
Cheers :xd:
Good morning guys.
Well I am away to Wolverhampton racecourse today. It is only about 45 minutes away from me and the fresh air will do me good. ;D
To round of last week, I had a bet on Chicago last night giving Buffalo a 3 point start.
Chicago won 22-19 making it a draw and no payout. :'(
Anyway, no use crying over spilt milk and I hope this week will be a lot better.
Bet number 1.
2.35 Wolverhampton. Sir Lunchalot (back to win) 8.0 or 7/1 is the best price on offer.
Lay of the day.
3.10 Wolverhampton. Gentleman is Back (back to lose) it is 8/13 at the moment.
The reason I am laying it is partly because of the jockey. ;) But I also think there are 2 others in the race with a good shout. It is not going to cost me too much to find out.
Twister, I agree with you on Overquest, I think it is very well handicapped and should have won last time out, hopefully today will be a win for it.
Good luck to anyone playing. :thumbsup:
Hi
Ok Ive had a bet on Overquest at Bet365 at 4/1...good luck to us all :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 08, 05:49 AM 2010
3.10 Wolverhampton. Gentleman is Back (back to lose) it is 8/13 at the moment.
The reason I am laying it is partly because of the jockey. ;) But I also think there are 2 others in the race with a good shout. It is not going to cost me too much to find out.
Thats Brave ! I wonder whats going to beat it ;)
Quote from: Blood Angel on Nov 08, 08:03 AM 2010
Hi
Ok I've had a bet on Overquest at Bet365 at 4/1...good luck to us all :thumbsup:
Nice one, hope you did it each way ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 08, 08:07 AM 2010
Nice one, hope you did it each way ! :thumbsup:
Yes mate i did ;)
Nice one Blood Angel !
Had one 4/1 winner today and 2 unplaced, virtually even on the day :)
Nice Lay Luke ! :thumbsup:
WOOT!
thank you Twister :thumbsup:
Quote from: Blood Angel on Nov 08, 02:45 PM 2010
WOOT!
thank you Twister :thumbsup:
Really glad you cashed in mate ;D
Have a nice one lined up for 2moz too, dependin on its price (as always) !!
Just back from a wet and windy Wolverhampton.
A nice day today with overquest doing the business.
Havlin gave a masterclass performance on Gentleman is back as well. ;)
Always nice to start the week on a winning note. Let's keep it going. :thumbsup:
Ok 3 selections today and 7 bets
3 Each Way Singles 3 Each Way Doubles and an Each Way Treble
Lingfield 1.10 No5 CLARACH
Take the 9/1
Exeter 3.50 No10 RITH BOB
Take the 7/1
Sedgefield 4.00 No12 AUTHENTIC ACT
Take the 8/1
Cheers guys :thumbsup:
Good morning guys, I am going to be playing up some winnings from yesterday.
bet number 2.
1.40 lingfield. midnight diamond (back to win) 5.5 - 9/2 best price.
bet number 3.
2.40 lingfield. russeltown. (back to win) 5.0 - 4/1 best price.
good luck everyone. :thumbsup:
Forgot to mention, I had a word from a friend about a horse in the 1.10 at lingfield.
It is the Bishops baby. He suggested taking the 12/1 on offer now and then laying it off just before the race. He thinks the money will come for it, if it does, then it's a bet to nothing. And if it wins, then a small bonus.
Oh well, managed to lay The bishops baby at 9's, so a free bet, if it had won (which it did not)
I would have made a 3 point profit. It's a good way to trade.
One of my selections Russeltown in the 2.40 at lingfield is a non-runner, so scratch that one.
Update:
Lingfield 1.10 No5 CLARACH
Well the money came for this as expected. Was 9/1 touched 4/1 went off 9/2.......sadly that was it as it was unplaced
Unlucky Twister, do you lay them of yourself or just stick with the win bet.
If something gets cut in half, you can make a profit either way.
Midnight diamond 2nd :(
A lot of 2nd's and 3rd's but no winners. Still, It will turn around and a few winners at nice prices will shore things up.
Unlucky luke
It wasnt for the trying of the Jock thats for sure !
He earned his fee, that's for sure. :D
He must have had a few shekels on himself!
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 09, 08:38 AM 2010
Unlucky Twister, do you lay them of yourself or just stick with the win bet.
If something gets cut in half, you can make a profit either way.
Most times I stick with them :)
Obviously there are gambles you do lay back for a free bet like a nice AP bet at 28s into 12s etc
Well we washed out today
All 3 horses were well backed
RITH ROB was 9s into 5/2 and AUTHENTIC ACT was 8s into 4s
Ah well 2morrows another day ;D
Good morning,
2 win bets for today.
bet number 3.
2.10 bangor. minella boys (back to win) 8.0 - 7/1 best price.
bet number 4.
4.50 kempton. silenzio (back to win) 6.0 - 5/1 best price.
good luck everyone. :thumbsup:
Going to give you another free bet if anyone is interested.
1.20 huntingdon. featherbed lane. currently, best price is 9/1 with victor chandler + a few others. I reckon it will go at about 6's.
So, back at 9's and lay it later for a free bet. Once again, if it wins, you nick a few points. :thumbsup:
Hi Luke
I got in on Silenzio but only managed 4/1 at Bet365.
Good luck for today.
Thanks Blood Angel, let's hope it's a winner for us. It ran a good race last time, with a bit of improvement, it could find the winners enclosure today.
Southwell 1.00 No2 ZAMINA
Back it Each Way at 7/2
Good Luck all :thumbsup:
Cheers Twister :thumbsup:
I have a good feeling in my bones today, not that that normally counts for much :D
Silenzio must have grown a pair of wings, it has being backed down to 2/1.
minella boys down to 5's as well.
Is today the day! Could be wild celebrations in flukey towers tonight. :wink:
Well it wasnt to be today for mine
Good luck with yours luke !
Just had a word for ASTERALES in the 5.50 at Kempton
TAKE THE 16/1 NOW and back it Each Way :thumbsup:
WOW what a Gamble landed in ure race luke !!!
Orange Ace 40/1 into 8/1 :o
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 10, 08:52 AM 2010
Just had a word for ASTERALES in the 5.50 at Kempton
TAKE THE 16/1 NOW and back it Each Way :thumbsup:
Crazy Prices at the moment 12/1 with Lads and 20/1 with Stan James :o
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 10, 12:32 PM 2010
Crazy Prices at the moment 12/1 with Lads and 20/1 with Stan James :o
Urgghhh 4th :-\
Hello Superman,
I would not consider myself to be a pro at this sport by a long way. :)
I have only really taken an interest in it over the last 12-18 months. It is a fact that only 2% of the people participating in it can make the game pay.
There are just so many variables involved.
ie. jockey, trainer, course, distance, going. That is probably only half of it as well.
As for staking plans, I think level stakes are best. In fact the Kelly Criterion would probably be just as effective here as it is in other fields. (especially for me at the moment anyhow :D )
There are all kinds of different software programs available. A lot of people compile their own ratings and form a tissue (this means making their own book) Then if they spot 'value' and other factors look positive, it would probably signal a bet.
Rather than backing horses to win, I am now more inclined to think backing horses to lose (in other words 'laying' them is probably the best route to go down). It may be that staking plans would be more effective here as well.
Let me just give you a brief example. The other day, I did not fancy a horse to win, it's price was 8/13. I forget how many other horses were in the race just now, but I think at least another 7 or 8. So in effect I had these horses running for me. Any one of them could win and I would collect my lay bet. I think that someone who is very selective could find a few excellent lays a week where the public overbet the lay selection and therefore it's price is shorter than it's true chance of winning. So in a sense, you are getting value laying it. If you can find enough of these over time to lay at prices lower than 1/1, then it may be possible that a good staking plan could work. It is not really like roulette where the odds are fixed. If 10 reds have come up in a row, I would not be getting any value in laying black. But if the public have overbet horse A, and it's true chance of winning is 2/1 and yet it is a 1/1 shot, then I have value on my side. So here, it would be fascinating to see if progressions could work. I would be inclined to think some kind of positive progression may be worth looking into here as well. Anyway, all just thoughts really.
I love the challenge and I don't give up, so it is going to be a long hard road ahead. But it would be nice in a few years to have another string to my bow. :thumbsup:
3 Bets today
Ludlow 1.00 No13 MAWSEM- Each Way
Take the 4/1
Ludlow 2.00 No6 RIFLEMAN-Each Way
Take the 10/1
And an Each Way Double those two
Cheers :thumbsup:
Good morning,
bet number 5.
12.55 clonmel. quartetto. (back to win) 6.0 or 5/1 best price available.
good luck :thumbsup:
Lay of the day.
3.00 ludlow. rougham (back to lose) 4/6 at the moment.
Personally, I think it will fall. :wink:
Beautiful Lay luke ! Cashed in nice there :)
A 3rd for me today and an Unplaced 4th
Always 2morrow ;D
Just one bet today
Cheltenham 3.35 No12 Traffic Article to Win
Take the 18/1 and 16/1 as its only 10/1 with Will hill
Good Luck all :thumbsup:
Hi Twister
I got on at 14's.
Good luck
Good afternoon guys, :)
I have 2 bets for today.
3.25 newcastle. rare society (back to win each way) 33/1 current best price.
It has not done much this year but was second twice of higher marks last year. So half a point each way is the bet.
6.20 wolverhampton. flying arch (back to win) 3/1 current best price.
I will probably go to the track and cheer this one on a bit.
good luck everyone. :thumbsup:
My selection Fell while travelling well
Gettin no rub of the Green this week lol :-\
you were unlucky there Twister, the horse was definately travelling better than anything in the race, in fact, it looked like he was taking a bit of a tug and just waiting to unleash a few out. :'(
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 12, 11:02 AM 2010
You were unlucky there Twister, the horse was definately travelling better than anything in the race, in fact, it looked like he was taking a bit of a tug and just waiting to unleash a few out. :'(
*nods head and cries into coffee* :D
good morning guys.
Well, I am pretty confident today of recouping some of my losses from the previous selections. I think this horse has a great chance.
1.20 cheltenham. wolf moon (back to win) 12/1 current best price.
good luck :thumbsup:
Helloooo
No horses from me today, just a 3 team Treble on the footie. Pays around 9/1
Man Utd at around Evens to beat Aston Villa
Liverpool at around 13/10 to beat Stoke
Arsenal at around 13/10 to beat Everton (Play Sunday)
All 3 play away. All 3 NEED to win
at combined odds of around 9/1 its worth a punt :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 13, 09:01 AM 2010
Helloooo
No horses from me today, just a 3 team Treble on the footie. Pays around 9/1
Man Utd at around Evens to beat Aston Villa
Liverpool at around 13/10 to beat Stoke
Arsenal at around 13/10 to beat Everton (Play Sunday)
All 3 play away. All 3 NEED to win
at combined odds of around 9/1 its worth a punt :thumbsup:
lol :D
Man U hit the woodworkk 3 times....... ah well there is always Monday
No losin tips from me 2morrow :P
Ok a new week and hunting Value :)
One selection today,
Wolverhampton 1.40 No9 Cheshire Lady
Its a massive 20/1 so back it Each Way
Good Luck all ;D
Hello guys,
Well if I don't get a few winners this week, I am packing this tipping lark in. :wink:
I have prayed to the gambling gods and helped little old ladies across the street all weekend. So fingers crossed.
12.50 leicester. call it on (back to win) around 5/1 at the moment.
3.20 leicester. donald will do (back to win) around 6/4. I have being told that this one is a lot of people's idea of a VERY GOOD bet.
good luck :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 15, 05:42 AM 2010
Ok a new week and hunting Value :)
One selection today,
Wolverhampton 1.40 No9 Cheshire Lady
Its a massive 20/1 so back it Each Way
Good Luck all ;D
Okk nice touch of 20/1 in 3rd place :thumbsup:
Touched 10/1 and returned 12s, so the value was deffo there early doors.
Okkk lets see if we can play up some of our winnings from yesterday ;D
3 bets today
Southwell 12.20 No1 Nicholas Poc*** Each Way at around 5/1
Southwell 1.20 No8 X Rated Each Way at around 5/1
And an Each Way Double those two
Good Luck all :)
Hello guys :)
I am going to have a yankee today, that's 11 bets. You get doubles, trebles and a four timer if they all come up.
I get the feeling that all my winners are going to come at once :D
1.40 general hutzov
2.10 ocean transit
2.40 plein poulvier
3.10 you can of course
Now I just need to get the prayer mat out. :wink:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 16, 04:31 AM 2010
Okkk lets see if we can play up some of our winnings from yesterday ;D
3 bets today
Southwell 12.20 No1 Nicholas Poc*** Each Way at around 5/1
Southwell 1.20 No8 X Rated Each Way at around 5/1
And an Each Way Double those two
Good Luck all :)
It wasnt to be :-\
Still, we can lose money tomorrow lol :D
Okk have a Peach of a Selection Today !
Lingfield 2.20 No6 CYFLYMDER
The selection is 33/1
IF this horse runs anywhere near its 2009 Form it Wins.
Take the 33/1 Now
Good Luck All :thumbsup:
Hello guys,
My luck at the moment on backing horses to win is down the pan. So I am going to concentrate more on my lays. I am 3/3 on them and pretty confident I know what I am doing there.
lay of the day.
12.20 lingfield. bilko pak (back to lose) 11/8 at the moment.
I really can't see this one staying the trip.
good luck :thumbsup:
Todays Selection !
Wincanton 2.20 No3 FORTIFICATION Each Way
TAKE THE 12/1 NOW
It will be alot lower come the off !
Good Luck All :thumbsup:
Hello :)
I have run out of betting bank before running out of the month. :D
So I will have to call it quits. I set aside money each month for my gambling hobbies and I don't want to dip into any more. In fact, I am that depressed from this months results, that I am taking all my winnings from the year and going and doing my christmas shopping today. (better than losing it all chasing)
A wise man told me that it was the wrong time of the year for betting on horses because we are in the middle of the two codes (end of the flat / start of the jump) Being a newbie, I should have listened. Anyway, I hope nobody lost too much if they followed any of my selections.
I am going back to roulette for the rest of the year. I actually had a pretty good idea for a method that I will post about later. It is probably the first roulette idea I have had for this year which actually excites me. That could be a good sign or maybe not! ;D
Thank you Twister for participating in the thread. Keep it going mate if you like. You have provided some good winners at really good prices. I hope a few were on them.
Ok, I am away for a bit of retail therapy. :P
I too will follow suit luke
I Had some nice winners at the start
Maybe we can pick this up when the nags have some solid form :thumbsup: