OK here is the system all complete.
It is VERY simpleââ,¬Â¦BUT u will need a pen and a paper to track the progression.(It has 2 stages)
BETTING SELECTION
We bet in every spin THE SAME DOZ + THE SAME COLUM OF THE LAST OUTCOME.
(there is a reason for this because of the Possibilities + the Progressionââ,¬Â¦I will NOT post the reason as it is very simple for an experienced player to understand but very complex to explain it)
PROGRESSION
1)We always start with 1 chip in every DOZ and COL(ALWAYS of the last outcome)
2)When we have to MINUS(because of a win) and we had bet 1 chip in a doz or col we still bet 1 chip(because we can t bet 0 chipsââ,¬Â¦lolââ,¬Â¦I am saying because I have seen that kind of questions in many forums)
3)The betting has 2 attempts-stages.
Eg. We bet 1 chip on a doz and we winââ,¬Â¦so we say that we won on the 1st stage
Eg We bet 1 chip on a DOZ and we lostââ,¬Â¦we then bet 1 more time the same amount ââ,¬Â¦so 1 chip againââ,¬Â¦So this is the 2nd stage-attempt..IF we will win with the 2nd attempt ââ,¬Â¦we say that we won in the 2nd stage.
4)IF we will win in the 1st attempt-bet of the stage we MINUS 1 chip.(in the DOZ or COLââ,¬Â¦depending of WHAT was the win on)
5)IF we will win in the 2nd attempt-bet we STILL bet the same amount of chips and we count again as the 1st stage of this amount of chips betââ,¬Â¦
6) IF we will lose all the 2 stages then we ADD 1 more chip in the DOZE OR COOLUM that has lost.
THATââ,¬â,,¢S IT!
ALL INSIDEââ,¬Â¦Maths and Possibilities!
DO NOT FORGETââ,¬Â¦.we follow the progression (in any stage) BUT we ALWAYS bet on the DOZ and COL of the LAST OUTCOME!
So far I have tested 16 sessions of 100 spins each session(I belive is the best way to test any system)
The resaults were
1)+23
2)+42
3)+44
4)+6
5)+55
6)+12
7)+9
8)+27
9)-2
10)+10
11)+39
12)+22
13)+7
14)+30
15)+38
16)-26 (the hell session)
let s all do testing
Jordan
Well this is unusual. Let me see if I have it right.
I bet on last dozen (or column) that came. Say 3rd dozen, for example. Now--2nd dozen comes and I lose. I then bet two units on 2nd dozen as it is now the one that just came. We are seeking back-to-back dozens, right?
Am I correct so far?
Sam
Jordan, if I may make a suggestion
it is a statistical fact that repeated dosens/cols come in clusters, you as an experienced player should be aware of that. Its not uncommon to have 10 spins of chops followed by almost equal amount of double, triple repeated dosens/cols.
why dont you instead of betting every spin, just wait for a virtual WIN then start betting, sometimes it could save 10-15 steps of the progression
and by the way, I did not understand quite well do you bet on dosen+column when you lose
with TWOCATSAM's example:
I bet on last dozen (or column) that came. Say 3rd dozen, for example. Now--2nd dozen comes and I lose. I then bet two units on 2nd dozen as it is now the one that just came.
ok this was 1 chip on 3rd dosen + let us say 2nd column. = BET OF 2 CHIPS
2nd dosen came and we did not hit 2nd column either.
Now we bet on 2nd dosen 2 CHIPS + let us say 1st column came 2 CHIPS on 1st column = bet of 4 chips
is this the correct way of the system?
if it is not a big problem would you explain it again in more details, we would appreciate it much, thank you
TwoCAtSam
U are correct about the bet selection...BUT u are wrong in the progression that is the 80% of the systems succes.
Let me explain....
Because U lost the 1st attempt ,NOW u are in the 2nd attempt of the progression(2nd stage).
SO U MUST BET IN THE 2nd DOZ(that came) AGAIN 1 chip (and NOT 2 as u said)....
So now IF u will lose again in this second attempt...then and only then u will bet the new DOZ with 2 chips(u add 1 more chips)
so it is like that:
1 chip LOSE
1 chip LOSE
2 chip LOSE
2 chip LOSE
3
3
4
4
ETC......
SO I reapeat again...
IF we will win in the 1st attempt...we MUST MINUS 1 chip in the next spin.
IF we will win in the 2nd attempt ...we must BET again the same amount of chips...and we must start counting again from the 1st stage (of the certain amount of chips)
IF we will lose BOTH 2 attmpts then in the next spin we are betting +1 chip....
This is happening because the DOZ and the COL bets are 2-1 8)
sekuritati
NO my friend ...virual losses will ONLY mess mess the system UP!!!!
Virtual losses NEVER helped any system because U do not know when the WIN will come...so u can t afford losing wins......
Just stick to the system as It is......
Later when u will be testing an making good profits I will explain to u why it wins...
But as I posted above it is easy to understand.....
The progrssion is made for the most safe play...so even IF we have 10 chops..the bet will be ONLY 5 chips in that bet.
ps. IMPORTANT
I forgot to mention that....IF we have a win in a spin that BOTH DOZ AND COL won....WE MUST MINUS the bets 1 chip IN any stage that they are(even at the 2nd one)
Made 150 units total with a drawdown in one session of -100. Working very well for me so far. Great work, Jordan!
Droganson
Thanks man.
Are you sure that you were using the progression (of the 2 stages) correct my friend? Because the -100 inside the session sounds to me like a VERY rare case!
But as you saw the Possibilites +the progression worked in the LONG tesrm and gave you a HUGE prifit.
With this system the more you lose...the more you will win after...Because this kind of possibility should hit MORE after a bad fluxuation....
2 more 100 spin sessions from me.
1)+9
2)+43
The sooner we will all test the sooner we will abort or take this system to real Casino and make money :)
Here is the way I am tracking the progression NICE and EASY (it will also help you to understadn the progression
1 loss
1 loss
______
2 (because we lost the 2 stages of the 1 chip per bet)
2 WIN
______
2 ( we are betting 2 chips again because we won in the 2nd bet) WIN
_______
1 (Now we bet 1 chip because we MINUS 1 chip because we WON in the 1st bet )
and so on.......
Here are more examples
1 L
1 L
____
2 L
2 L
_____
3 W
_____
2 L
2 L
_____
3 L
3 W
_____
3 W
_____
2
and so on
It cound be more easy mates!
Ps...make sure that in the paper that you will be tracking you are using a LIne (____) to spot the stages of the betting
I gave you all......it really couldn t be more easy ;D
We are betting IN EVERY SPIN..so it is easy and possible and not boring to play in REAL Casino.......
After a 0 you will still bet the same DOZ + COL of the number before the 0 (with the correct progression of cource)
Not bad so far!
After some tests the results are quite good. I wasn't sure at first if the progression should be used separately (independently - so if a doz hits but a col loses you should increase bet on col and reduce it on doz) , but I see from the examples that it isn't played this way.
Please lets not change subject.
This is a system topic. I had to remove 2 posts that were off topic
thanks
And yes Bayes the progression is INDEPENDENT on the DOZEN and INDEPENDENT on the columns...
The examples that I gave above are ONLY for the DOZ ....U must do the same to columns ....
We are betting in every spin a DOZ and a column.,...we use INDEPENTENTLY PROGRESSIONS on each
thanks for the interest.
0 is like any other number.
It isn t the 0 that is giving the 2.7 disadvantage to the player....
its the 35-1 .....in other words the ODDS...the payment.
Anyway.... the idea of playing 2 doz and 2 colms is very bad....Just stick to the system if u like it
thanks
It was an OR
Doz or Col
Doz/Col
Its same man....not good...stick to the SYSTEM
Im plugged in man.
Upload the Matrix Orphus................
MATE...the MATRIX is a Hollywood movie...hahahhaha
It doesn't need any MATRIX to play this so simple system. read again the rules.
Please ...all off topic posts will be deleted because this is a productive system and we do not want this topic to be full of uselles posts as it will confuse and make tired any new readers
thanks
Hi Jordan,
Can you be so nice and post an example with numbers(20-30 spins)
to see exactly how to play(what , where we bet and how much ...etc...)
I always do that (post examples in my systems)....so.......
Thanks.
My friend Katiila
It doesn t need any more examples.... :o
The WHERE is soooooooo simple ...we BET on the LAST OUCOME DOZ AND COL
The HOW MUCH TO BET is being given with perfect example on the DOZ ....
U must do the same on the colum....
Its really a childish system to play
I also gave u the way to track on the paper.....
One question.
I came down -80 units and then back up again to +13 units, at this point I am at a very high point in the progressions. Shall we reset the progression when we have a new high?
Maybe I have missed this in your explainations.
I will report back with some testings. So far so good..
EDIT: Maybe we should atleast take down both the progressions to 5 units if we have a new high after a big drawdown.
Thanks for sharing Jordan. Just did a 100 spin test.
Ended +96, but was minus 147 after 48 spin(after only 11 of 47 wins at the dozens and 12 of 47 wins at the columns). . .
Just one question: Do you reset the progression when you are in plus??
In my test the bets got quite high in the end. The highest bet was 15 at the dozen, and I find it strange that all your results have been in the range +/- 55 when the size of the bets are that high. So I m not sure if I am doing if corectly. .
FRIPPER
If we have a So much recover(we are in a new profit) and we are so High in the betting...then yes...it is good to minus some chips....But I wouldn t advice to start with 1 and 1 chips...Because wile you were losing as you saw....the wins became MORE and BIGGER...BECAUSE OF THE MATHS AND POSSIBILITIES of the system...this si its power.
It was a good question my friend that I had forgoten to answer
thank You
My first session ended very good.
1) +114 units in 100 spins
Bankroll attached
OK Jordan, what do you think about taking the bets down to like 5 units on both dozen/column after we have had a big drawdown and we are back to plus?
Thanks for the testing Fripper
EkisNo...it isn t OK to restart the progreesion after a new PLUS.....because the system lose its POWER and profitability
Fripper
This was strange to me too.
Are you building up the progression with +1 chip when 2 consecutive bets of the same amount of chips are Losing?
Or are you building up +1 chip in EVERY loss?
I do as the rules says.
I have one independent progression for dozens and one independent for columns.
So, I use this one each of the progressions:
1122334455667788
If lose, one step at the right, if we win one step at the left.
Or maybe I have missunderstood?
No Fripper... you don't have everything correct
I said 3 times....that :
IF we will win at the 1st step we MINUS 1 chip
IF we will win at the 2nd step(that has include the same amount of chips as the 1st step) we BET the same amount of chips....BUT we are restarting the 2 steps (with the same amount of chips)
IF both DOZ and COL (in the same spin) will win we are MINUS BOTH bets 1 chip(No matter if we were in the 1st or 2nd step)
Please read again all my posts...I have explained everying in FULL details!!!
U are NOT playing it completely wrong though.....
BUT the maths aren't SAFE with the way that you are playing and this is why you experienced a so BIG sown inside the session.
OK 1 more BIG example with Ls and Ws:
DOZ and chips we bet
we start with 1 chip so:
1 L
1 L
____
2 L
2 L
____
3 W (so because we WON in the 1st STEP of the 3 chips bet...we have to MINUS 1 chip)
_____
2 L
2 L
____
3 L
3 W (we must bet AGAIN 3 chips in the next spin because we had the WIN in the 2nd step of the 3 chips betting)
____
3 W(Now we MINUS 1 chip in the next bet because we WON in the 1st attempt of the 3 chips betting )
____
2
And so on!
with this way we are building profit with SAFE PROGRESSION
ps.It was teh most accurate and easy way to show u how we treat this progreesion.
Sorry I can t do more to explain.....
If you will not understand it again I will start ripping my clothes OFF... ;D
I was makeing a joke ppl.... :wink:
One thing that I missed, I just saw it.
1 L
1 L
____
2 L
2 L
____
3 W (so because we WON in the 1st STEP of the 3 chips bet...we have to MINUS 1 chip)
_____So, when you win here, you go back 2 STEPS. I think I get it know, puhh.
2 L
2 L
____
3 L
3 W (we must bet AGAIN 3 chips in the next spin because we had the WIN in the 2nd step of the 3 chips betting)
____
3 W(Now we MINUS 1 chip in the next bet because we WON in the 1st attempt of the 3 chips betting )
____
2
YES FRIIPER EXACTLY ...This was your mistake....
I also removed some posts of ours in order NOT to confuse the other members....
well done mate...I think now you know how ro play it....
This was the reason why your progression was Building up so dangerous...BUT as you see even with a wrong progression you made a HUGE profit(this is because you obeyed some of the rules) ;)
Now if you want...test this session again to see the Correct results...this will show us the POWER of the correct progression :)
ps. You have my respect Fripper! ;)
Ok people, I will try to give you a easier way to understand all this :)
We have one independent progression for dozens and one independent progression for columns.
So, we can use this one to each of the progressions:
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8
1 Step is underlined. So here we have 16 steps.
If we win at lets say the second step of 4, we go back one step. So we will then bet 4 units again, but we are know at the first step.
If we win at lets say the first step of 4, we go back 2 steps. So we will then bet 3 units, but we are at the 1 step of 3 units.
If you lose, you go one step to the right.
One more thing:
If you win with both the dozen and the column at the same time, you should go back 1 unit and start at the first step of that unit.
Jordan, correct me if I am wrong.
Will this work on an RNG Wheel?
OK, I just had to at least try it.
3 runs of 100 spins each.
+18
+9
+31
This was betting only on the dozens and not both the dozens and columns as I wanted to make sure I was getting it right.
The lowest drawdown in any of the three runs was -26 in the first run.
AD
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 04, 09:31 AM 2010
Will this work on an RNG Wheel?
If you have an fair RNG it should be the same, if you ask me.
My first test was on RNG and I will continue to test in RNG.
Looks good so far did another test + 138 in 100 spin.
Will do some more tests later=)
my testing so far
1: +96 (-147)
2: +138 (-15)
Well done Fripper...U explained it CORRECTLY!
For me people RNG is NOT roulette....BUT what can I say ... its your personal choise.
BUT please after a testing post IF it was RNG or REAL WHEEL
thank u
I am glad that we are ALLLLLLL winning ;D
Ps. It will be nice for us to post also the DOWNS of the seesions in order to find what is the best BR of the system and also the best Winning Target.
In my testings the bigest DOWN was -96 chips.
I guess that the BR should be 80 chips and the profit target about 40 chips....
But the more tests we will have,the best choises we will make
3 more 100 spin sessions from me:
1) +37
2) +91
3) +29
I just calculated all the wins-losses sessions we ALL togeather have and we are +1101 chips :o
the bigest - in the end of a session was -29 chips......
Do you think there is still hope???? LoL
I personally in 3.5 years of experience and member in all the roulette forums...I have never seen something like that.....Lets hope it will last......
we have all together played around 2.500 spins .......
I guess the BIG surprize is to be a long term winner in more than 30.000 spins.
So we need total of 300 X 100 spins sessions
If it will be proved as a LONG TERM WINNER I will take 3 BRs with me and I will go to the Casino.
I will pick a table and I will stay there .... My bears and hair will grow....I will have meals on the roulette table and i will hire a person to bring me equipment to pee and poop....
I will take piils and drink Coffies and red bulls in order not to sleep and after 1 months of concecutive play I will return home as a MILLIONER!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And i will be sleeping for the next month 24/7
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
DREAMS!
Jordan,
The separation of the two bets into individual probabilities means we can look at the bets individually. This part of the system makes sense.
What I can't figure out is the progression. Simply put it will lose money.
1 W=+2 L=-1
1 W=+1 L=-2
2 W=+2 L=-4
2 W=0 L=-6
3 W=0 L=-9
3 W=-3 L=-12
4 W=-4 L=-16
4 W=-8 L=-20
and so forth
Since you are betting for a repeat and haven't covered all probabilities the odds are 1:3 with the payout at 3:1. Essentially you will get crushed by the zero and are relying on deviations from the mean in relation to doz or columns repeating.
Perhaps if you stopped earlier in the progression the missed bets would reduce the money on the table in actuality while keeping them in theory. thereby overcoming the odds.
The other option would be to inverse the bet at a loss. Statistical clustering could allow for enough wins to occur before losses. It a chop between the two theoretical outcomes that would hurt you.
Monte Carlo
The resaults and the MATHS+POSIBILITIES of the system are great.....
the Future will tell
why don t u test with us? :D
The progression is OK. What I understand Jordan plays always last dozen and column what give a chance that eg. dozen is choppy but column is streaky. This would balance the system and when both win it is a big celebration.
I would play the progression like that: if both lose rise one level, if one win and one lose keep the same and if both win go to minimum.
I created system like that and was successful most of the time.
Cheers Hermes
Good work Jordan. Make it 30x100 sessions with only one session lost and its a HG.
Cheers
Hermes,
The bets are progressed independent and therefore separate. You are simply playing the same system twice in different ways. This means that they can be looked at independent.
If you modify the bet structure to being co-dependent thereby turning this into one system, you would suffer statistically in the short term at the intersecting bets.
Monte Carlo
I have just used numbers from Spielbank Wiesbaden in my tests. In my third test I used the first 100 numbers from table 3 03.01.2010 and I got a heavy loss.. The numbers are attached. Can anyone else test the same numbers??:) Hopefully I am doing something wrong:)
Hermes
Yes you are right...this was my intention
But my progression is better...more profit
Compa
Thanks for the nice words.
We are all trying to finish with the testings...But for me 3.000 spins aren't enough. 30.000 would be something!
Monde Carlo
U are mistaken. Me and Hermes are correct ;)
__________________________________________
All silly and negative posts will meet the DELETE button.
This is a productiove thread ;)
Ekis
Did u bet BOTH DOZ and COL? or just the DOZ?
Got a bad session, ended -40 units.
We have to do something about when we have very high stakes in the progression.
I really don't think that -40 chips is a BIG loss!
If you look our previous winning sessions it is a NOTHING!
we can t WIN in all the sessions people....it is completely natural! :) Its the unbeatable roulette that we have to deal with!
I think that all these BIG WINS Blind u and u forgot for 1 minute that we are playing with a beast .... :D
I am happy so far with the results
I posted a mistake that Monde Carlo was misteken....I thought it was someone else.I apologize to him.
(I can t remove in the post what I have written cause the MODIFY button no longer exist(
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 04, 12:17 PM 2010
I really don't think that -40 chips is a BIG loss!
If you look our previous winning sessions it is a NOTHING!
we can t WIN in all the sessions people....it is completely natural! :) Its the unbeatable roulette that we have to deal with!
I think that all these BIG WINS Blind you and you forgot for 1 minute that we are playing with a beast .... :D
I am happy so far with the results
I'm not saying that it is a big loss, and so far results have been good. I'm not negative at all.
Just saying that in spin 92 I was down 148 units.
Then I got some wins.
In my next tests I will decrease my progressions if I'm near +, I like it safer :)
Ok Fripper.
if u think that u can make any better modification it is welcomed... ;)
I agree with Jordan, all games are beasts against the players because not fair rules. The casino almost always smiles on the end. We have to pay respect to the powerful enemy against us and not to underestimate it, therefore play safely as possible.
We have some advantage against casinos also! We can change strategy or go home with small stop-loss and come next time and be a winners. Patience,patience, patience...
I am going on 21 November to Varadero, Cuba. I hope they have casinos there, otherwise I have only chase women and that's after while boring.
Hermes
Jordan I tryed this before look up DOZ/COL REPEATER last post AUG 4 2010
IT don't work to good I tryed it with progression and flat and it flopped.. Try to use (Time Before Last) not repeaters TBL is the way to go with this.......
Quote from: bella on Nov 05, 06:25 PM 2010
Jordan I tryed this before look up DOZ/COL REPEATER last post AUG 4 2010
IT don't work to good I tryed it with progression and flat and it flopped.. Try to use (Time Before Last) not repeaters TBL is the way to go with this.......
Same here
Dear All,
One thing that I do not like about Dozens/Columns is their fictitious nature. These are bets upon table only and have no meaning upon wheel. What we can do is to take chances only. This type of betting ultimately fails very badly. Whether u play last or DBL or sleeper dozen/column, it doesn't matter much.
Bella
TBL or LAST is exactly the same...Roulette can t understand this deference...lol
The point is to play in every spin the same desision as U started no matter it is TBL or LAST.
Albalaha
Roulette also can not understand if the numbers that we are betting on are wheel based or table based.
ALL wheel based systems are losing with the same way as the table ones.
The ONLY reason to play wheel numbers(cover sectors) is when u play AP
thanks
Dear Jordon,
I appreciate your point that sector(wheel) based system does fail also but in a sector, all the numbers are more closely related to each other than a dozen/column on the table. Isn't it? If it is not so, why the wheel is designed as 26-0-32-15-18........and so on and not 0-1-2-3-4-5.....and so on? Our ball moves on wheel and not upon table. Wheel and table are designed differently to create these fictitious set of numbers like dozen/columns/ECs etc. If this is not the reason, can you elaborate why it is so?
albalaha,
QuoteWheel and table are designed differently to create these fictitious set of numbers like dozen/columns/ECs etc. If this is not the reason, can you elaborate why it is so?
My guess is that it was designed this way to make it harder for wheel watchers to detect AP conditions which might arise. If the ordering of numbers was the same on both the wheel and the layout, it would be easier to spot bias, sector shooting etc. But the fact that the numbers are arranged differently doesn't change the fact that under "normal" conditions, there is no reason why a number should be more likely to fall into one pocket rather than another, so how the labels on the wheel and table are arranged is irrelevant.
Roulette was designed 400 years ago and designed in this manner to create maximum disadvantage to the players who are staking their bets on table. If you see the wheel, numbers 1 and 2 are poles apart and if you are betting them u are not getting 2/37 chances practically to win.
It would be like putting 2 small nets upon two banks of river. American Roulette, furthered this ambition and created a wheel with neighboring numbers on the table exactly opposit each other and added an extra zero. If what I think is wrong, please enlighten me by telling how concept of so-called advantage playing came in the mind of the creator of wheel design, prior to people started playing upon it? Why in the table's design, zero was kept separate from all other set of numbers? Had this advantage playing been so effective as per the principals of physics/mathematics, why one of the greatest scientists on earth (Einstein) commented that only way of earning from it is to steal chips? Advantage playing is a vague concept and doesn't exist in reality.
Albalaha
Bayes post is correct...THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY the WHEEL NUMBERS ARE SPREAD.
There is NO other reason.....
"""Advantage playing is a vague concept and doesn't exist in reality.""""
U are 100% WRONG!
Ap is for real!@
But these days is a lot harder because Casinos know about it.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 06, 05:01 AM 2010
Albalaha
Bayes post is correct...THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY the WHEEL NUMBERS ARE SPREAD.
There is NO other reason.....
"""Advantage playing is a vague concept and doesn't exist in reality.""""
U are 100% WRONG!
Advantage-play is for real!@
But these days is a lot harder because Casinos know about it.
Yes, both of you are genius and Einstein was an idiot. Keep finding a biased wheel or counting speed of ball. Even roulette computers can't predict where the ball will land because of deflectors set on the wheel.
I've read the last few posts with great interest.
If a visitor from another planet were to read them he/she/it might ask why anyone bothers to play roulette at all -- given all the hurdles and difficulties!! LoL
Wouldn't it be a fair question?
Einstein is out of the topic mate....He just said that with Maths you can t win in Roulette.
If you don't have the knowledje and having spent time to see what VB really is you can T make a conclusion.
I am the 1st of all the apers that say that winning with VB nowdays is VERY hard to imposible.
I really don't know how your post about the wheel sectors of the wheel converted into a fight about VB....
U mention the wheel number order in order for the math - possibilities system...this was the case......
And I told you that its same.....
esoito
what u say is real....but this visitor from the outerspace would have realise that Roulette is unbeatable from all the Topics-posts from all the Forums and not just this one
We can have a system that never loses...that's a fact!
we can only have a system that is as safe as possible(MM) and try to leave the Casino almost always with +.....
These are the only weapons we got!
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 06, 06:05 AM 2010
We can have a system that never loses...that's a fact!
we can only have a system that is as safe as possible(MM) and try to leave the Casino almost always with +.....
These are the only weapons we got!
Very contradictory statements. Please clarify what we can have?
I am very Optimistic about winning from roulette with my techniques. The day I will lose confidence in myself, will be my last gambling day.
In Atlanic City at the TRUMP TAJ MAHAL they have a roulette wheel with NO red/ black
each six numbers in a row are a differant color and it pays 5 to 1 on outside.Wizard of odds has it on his site and you think that would help but I lost plenty on it and its still there..
albalaha.
U really don t know what u are talking about....
If u really win....post ur SYSTEM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hhahahahahahhaha
Dear Jordon,
You might not be knowing what you are saying but I am very firm with my knowledge and belief. All these sets of numbers like dozen/column and all ECs are fictitious set of numbers having no relation upon the wheel and there is nothing like advantage playing in real world. The wheel and table are designed differently to create maximum disadvantage to players and advantage to the casino.
The wheel and table are designed differently to give a hard time to the VB player to bet.
This is the ONLY REASON
U can t know if there is AP in the real world if u don t have the knowledje in AP