Its time for all Roulette forums to CLOSE.
Its time to make REAL money from this game AT LAST!
Bet 1 dozen at a time(in every spin) with any way you like....Roulette doesn't have Triggers and better or worst betting selections. IT IS RANDOM .It is time that you will all escape from the GF and be real MEN. LoL
Bet with this SAFEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and EASYYYYYYYYYYYY progression.
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Every time that a bet will lose GO FORWARD 1 step in the progression.
Every time a bet wins GO BACK 3 steps in the progression and coninue from there.
EVEN AN unintelligent CAN DO IT!
Every time that you are in a new profit ... Go back to the 1st step of the progression(1 unit).
BR=70 chips
WT=25 chips
3Ws and 1 L ratio is making you a LONG TERM WINNER.Isn t this what we need?
Now go and make money
If U reach the dizzy heights of the 20th step
in Ur super slow and eeeeeeeeasy progression,
would it not be wise to pay a little doh and cover are little Green Goblin friend?
Or is this threads post next destination the Humour section!!!!!!!!!!!!
U have obsession with that little Green Goblin friend..hahhah...
Just go and make money
Not with that progression.
Add up the total exposure first in Ur post,
so everyone can see what sort of a big hit it would be.
Its a big number if U happen to be unlucky and hit a sleeper
and get to the 20th step Jordan!!
nice to see Ur still thinking with Blue Sky Thought tho!!
Love ya man.
Just go and make money
Thank you for posting your holy grail. ;D
hm interesting.
well i tried something like this before just no progression like yours. i tried now, it worked
You cannot bet rigidly on one dozen even with 20 steps progression! You will sometimes lose and on real money RNGs always.
When dozen shows up bet it for 6 spins, if no hit wait for next appearance as a trigger. Do it separately on all 3 dozens. Keep for every dozen separate progression account.
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Nov 11, 10:17 PM 2010
You cannot bet rigidly on one dozen even with 20 steps progression! You will sometimes lose and on real money RNGs always.
When dozen shows up bet it for 6 spins, if no hit wait for next appearance as a trigger. Do it separately on all 3 dozens. Keep for every dozen separate progression account.
Hermes
I totally agree with Hermes, I rather suggest to try anything only upto its break even point and if it doesn't hit, stop betting on it, till it reappears and bet with double stake this time and so on. That was Albalaha's smart progression. Hermes suggests taking double chances than break-even (6 chances for a dozen). Makes sense.
OR.....You could bet the same dozen as the dozen before (A Repeating Dozen) It would definately have a better chance than betting the same dozen for 20 consecutive spins.
Scooby Doo
Dear Jordon,
If you target to play this long, DBL (the second last decision's dozen) could be the best choice. It would give you maximum benefit in three cases: 1. if two dozen dominates the game and came alternately. 2. If any dozen come in repeatition as streak; and 3. It will safeguard you from any possible sleeper.
Your progression is very good and realistic but what will you do if u win in your say 19th spin? will u continue with 8 units to start the next bet? If you win three times after multiple bets (delayed winnings), your bet size could go even above 40 units and so on. Think about it.
The progressions is good I agree, but also is very important the way we bet the dozen
or the column. I agree with you guys , the bet 6 times one doz...etc..., the last doz.
to repeat , or the DBL are good choices, and i add two more :
- bet the most hot from the last 6 spins, bet for the next 6 spins(or until W or L) , then
wait new 6 spins...and so on...(but wait trigger before bet that hot doz).
- from the last 12 spins take the *middle one* doz. (not hot, not sleeper) and bet that
doz. for the next spins until in plus (or lose let s say 20 units) and reset/restart waiting
around another 12 new spins....etc...( thanks to Hermes for this one).
And important , wait trigger before bet(trigger is that middle one doz.).
Let s find what is the best choise(s) for this progression.
I know Jordan ,you think it s not important the Triggers or wait this or that,
but for most of us it is important.
cheers
I gave u the progression.
I also TOLD YOU that the way that we will bet any bet in any system is a fallacy.
In every spin the chances for the doz to hit will ALWAYS be 12 of 37, for an EC will always be 18-37(europen wheel only)
I also told you that U can use the progression with ANY TRIGGER - WAY that u like.
I don t see why u have problems.....I gave U the ability to use any betting selection that u like.
We have also a STOP LOSS at -70 chips...so the posts about the WHAT we will do if we will reach the 10th step is silly....
I ALSO TOLD U THAT WINNING 3 sessions and losing 1 is making u a long term winner
READ 1st ALL THE POST and then if u have a question just re read again all the post and u will see that the answer is still there.
JUST GO AND MAKE MONEY
Jordan
"EVEN AN unintelligent CAN DO IT!"
Assume I'm real dumb. (Shut up out there!)
Look at this from your first post:
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3.....Would my next bet be here?
3......OR here.
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4...is this 1
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4......2
4....or is the winner 1
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Sam
This system is not bad at all.
In the very well known list of 302 systems,etc. etc. etc. is named PENTHOUSE ,even if it stops at term 5 and each term is played three times(1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,5)
Bankroll 45 units,suggested stop win 15 units.
I used to play it for many sessions with good results.
I was really very impressed,but later I lose three bankrolls in a row and I gave up.
The balance was negative
As all systems,I could say. . . . . . .
Say it!! For God's sake man, don't keep us hanging!
Example using that progression(Jordan s) from above.
Bet the Penultimate dozen( my personal choise for this test):
19 2
1 1 bet d2 1 unit
36 3 l1 -1 bet next d1/1u
6 1 w +1 bet d3/1u
21 2 l1 0 bet d1/1u
12 1 w +2 bet d2/1u
1 1 l1 +1 bet d1/1u
12 1 w +3 bet d1/1u
10 1 w +5 bet d1/1u
20 2 l1 +4 bet d1/1u
4 1 w +6 d2/1u
14 2 w +8 d1/1u
0 l1 +7 d2/1u
35 3 l2 +6 d2/2u
22 2 w +10 d3/1u
3 1 l1 +9 d2/1u
33 3 l2 +8 d1/2u
8 1 w +12 d3/1u
15 2 l1 +11 d1/1u
29 3 l2 +10 d2/2u
35 3 l3 +8 d3/2u
29 3 w +12 d3/1u
36 3 w +14 d3/1u
20 2 l1 +15 d3/1u
9 1 l2 +14 d2/2u
26 3 l3 +12 d1/2u
25 3 l4 +10 d3/3u
6 1 l5 +7 d3/3u
16 2 l6 +4 d1/4u
27 3 l7 0 d2/4u
3 1 l8 -4 d3/5u
18 2 l9 -9 d1/6u
24 2 l10 -15 d2/6u
13 2 w -3 d2/3u
34 3 l1 -6 d2/3u
23 2 w 0 d3/1u
36 3 w +2 d2/1u
20 2 w +4 d3/1u
10 1 l1 +3 d2/1u
4 1 l2 +2 d1/2u
33 3 l3 0 d1/2u
13 2 l4 -2 d3/3u
26 3 w +4 d2/1u
26 3 l1 +3 d3/1u
17 2 l2 +2 d3/2u
26 3 w +6 d2/1u
0 l1 +5 d3/1u
11 1 l2 +4 d3/2u
16 2 l3 +2 d1/2u
14 2 l4 0 d2/3u
8 1 l5 -3 d2/3u
17 2 w +3 d1/1u
28 3 l1 +2 d2/1u
21 2 w +4 d3/1u
29 3 w +6 d2/1u
18 2 w +8 d3/1u
36 3 w +10
and so on....
BUT this is not the only one good progression J
...
NOW same numbers, same bet selection(bet the penultimate doz)
but with positive progression( by Hermes and Kattila):
at W +1 / at 3 LLLs -1 , but at four Ls stop and wait one virtual W
and when start again start from 1u.
Reset to1 unit when in plus around +10.
Also reset to 1 unit if : for example we was at +30(or other) , then lost ,
but won again and recover around that +30 (or other).
Stop lose around -70 units.
19 2
1 1 bet d2/1u
36 3 l1 -1 bet d1/1u
6 1 w +1 bet d3/2u
21 2 l1 -1 d1/2u
12 1 w +3 d2/3u
1 1 l1 0 d1/3u
12 1 w +6 d1/4u
10 1 w +14 d1/1u Reset
20 2 l1 +13 d1/1u
4 1 w +15 d2/2u
14 2 w +19 d1/3u
0 l1 +16 d2/3u
35 3 l2 +13 d2/3u
22 2 w +19 d3/4u
3 3 w +27 d2/1u Reset
33 3 l1 +26 d1/1u
8 1 w +28 d3/2u
15 2 l1 +26 d1/2u
29 3 l2 +24 d2/2u
35 3 l3 +22 d3/1u
29 3 w +24 d3/2u
36 3 w +28 d3/3u
20 2 l1 +25 d3/3u
9 1 l2 +22 d2/3u
26 3 l3 +19 d1/2u
25 3 l4 +17 Stop wait virtual w
6 1 l5 bet d3 virtual play
16 2 l6 d1
27 3 l7 d2
3 1 l8 d3
18 2 l9 d1
24 2 l10 d2
13 2 w Trigger bet d2/1u
34 3 l1 +16 d2/1u
23 2 w +18 d3/2u
36 3 w +22 d2/3u
20 2 w +28 d3/4u
10 1 l1 +24 d2/4u
4 1 l2 +20 d1/4u
33 3 l3 +16 d1/3u
13 2 l4 +13 Stop wait virtual w
26 3 w trigger bet d2/1u
26 3 l1 +12 d3/1u
17 2 l2 +11 d3/1u
26 3 w +13 d2/2u
0 l1 +11 d3/2u
11 1 l2 +9 d3/2u
16 2 l3 +7 d1/1u
14 2 l4 +6 Stop wait virtual w
8 1 l5 d2
17 2 w trigger bet d1/1u
28 3 l1 +5 d2/1u
21 2 w +7 d3/2u
29 3 w +11 d2/3u
18 2 w +17 d3/4u
36 3 w +25
end session
cheers
Tested this some, and it looks good. Ofcourse you need your own common sense(But we always will If you want to win money).
Stopped the last one because I was down much and It was a very long session, still ended even.
I like that it isn't any big drawdowns and not high bets.
+25 in 52 spins, lowest(-4), high prog '4
+25 in 59 spins, (-21) '6
+25 in 102 spins (-26) '6
+25 in 78 spins (-21) '5
+26 in 136 spins (-22) '6
+25 in 37 spins (0) '3
+1 in 186 spins (-52) '7
Forgot to add. I played with the second last dozen.
I have never seen this system anywere before because I never download systems that are all gathered togeather because it is a waste of time...
Two Cat
I posted it clear didn t i???
3 steps behind....
Count with ur little fingers 3 steps behind and there u GO! u have ur next amount of chips to bet
Jordan
No, you did not post it clear.
And please don't be insulting to someone who asks you a question.
What you could do is copy and paste the right example from my post. That would be a nice thing to do.
Sam
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Jordan
Thank you.
I really am intrigued by your idea. Just wanted to do it right!
Sam
Is this word "intrigued" something bad?
No Jordan, it means 'curious'.
Jordan
It means I am interested or that you have my attention. I find your idea very workable.
Nothing bad! Good!
I'm working so very hard not to ever say anything bad on these forums again
Honestly.......
Sam
Hehe.
And this is why I offered u my help .because u were polite. ;)
Lets all try to be polite...this is why Vic made this forum
Dear Jordon,
U didn't answer my query regarding your progression. Suppose you win 20th time in ur first win, 16th time in second and say 14th time in third attempt, how far your progression go and how much profit and loss would be?
This system and progressin is good only if u keep winning fast, otherwise unit size could go above 100 in worst cases and huge losses.
I have already answered go and look above.
With 100 units bankroll and a win- goal of + 30 units,there are 29,12% probabilities to lose all BKR
This is math,so I hope that all users agree.
Of course % is different if you change BKR and win-goal,but at the end. . . . . . . .
That explains why I keep on playing and winning for several sessions before losing three BKR in a row!
In any case, among all posted rubbish and kamikaze systems,this one is nice and solid enough.
It can be played with satisfaction mainly if you reduce your win-goal,
Well I like this system a little :)
Session 8 = +26 in 112 spins (-22) '5
Session 9 = -73 in 35 spins (-73) '8
Session 10 = +25 in 46 spins (0) '3
Session 11 = +0 in 177 spins (-52) '8
Session 12 = +24 in 77 spins (-4) '4
Session 13 = +25 in 83 spins (-8) '5
Session 14 = +25 in 31 spins (-2) '2
Session 15 = -65 in 46 spins (-65) '8
So far: +139 units in 1257 spins.
11 sessions won
2 even
2 lost
It is fun to play!
Thanks for posting this system Jordan.
You have independently come up with one of my favorite systems.
Recently I mentioned that I am ahead this year playing a few systems that I think are very solid and this is one of them.
I did get the idea from a system called The Penthouse Roulette System as mentioned above, but that doesn't matter.
I always test this bet progression (adapted to the appropriate payout of course) on any system I try because I don't think you can improve too much on it.
I prefer this bet progression type playing the double and single streets because, forgive me for the following statement, there are many more options for bet selection.
Thanks again and LOL,
George
8)
my test
Quote from: albertojonas on Nov 14, 01:37 PM 2010
8)
my test
Albertjonas, you wont just win if you play this in a long streak. You have to have a stoplimit as jordan suggests and a profit target.
If you lose one session, go away and come back later and start a new session. You can't be lucky all the time.
Fripper this is what alberto did.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 14, 02:10 PM 2010
Fripper this is what alberto did.
Maybe I am missunderstanding something here..
In his test he plays 209 spins in a row.
He was as high as +53 units in some points. He was plus many times, so, what profit target did he have?
There is no stoploss either, he goes down to 1 unit (-109).
???
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 14, 10:46 AM 2010
And why GLC you kept the system secret?
don't you like contibuting to the cominity?..............LoL
Jordan,
Sorry, I thought everybody here had read all the systems in the 302 Roulette Systems.
It's probably a good idea since many of the systems posted on this forum are very similar to ones listed in the 302 systems.
Even though most of the systems are obviously not going to win, some are worth looking at and maybe tweaking to make them better.
WannaWin has published a goodly number of them with very little interest.
I have discussed the penthouse bet progression in other posts even as Hermes has.
All I know is that your post has generated some interest, which is good.
George
I played this and so big big draw downs , the game cannot be beat using progressions on dozens or columns full stop.
To say this is a real winner is a joke . :twisted:
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 14, 10:46 AM 2010
And why GLC you kept the system secret?
don't you like contibuting to the cominity?..............LoL
Another thing Jordan,
I'm from the South in the US and one of the things we do in the South is if we want to criticize or take a shot at someone we always begin or end with "...bless his heart".
It's kind of like telling someone how much we love them as we shove the dagger even deeper.
Many on the forum use "LOL" in much the same way.
Ending a statement with "LOL" doesn't make the obvious jab acceptable.
George
P.S. Even Kingspin just comes right out and blasts this system. No "LOL" or anything.
Quote from: GLC on Nov 14, 10:43 AM 2010
Recently I mentioned that I am ahead this year playing a few systems that I think are very solid and this is one of them.
George
By the way, I'm not endorsing this as a system that you can sit down and play indefinitely and win. The way I play is a few systems that I rotate through depending on how well I'm doing. The idea is that if one system isn't doing well, another may be doing great, so I switch. No concrete rules, just based on observation and gut feeling. Usually it works, sometimes not.
George
Quote from: GLC on Nov 14, 05:32 PM 2010
By the way, I'm not endorsing this as a system that you can sit down and play indefinitely and win. The way I play is a few systems that I rotate through depending on how well I'm doing. The idea is that if one system isn't doing well, another may be doing great, so I switch. No concrete rules, just based on observation and gut feeling. Usually it works, sometimes not.
George
George, you are a nice man. :thumbsup:
this is more than seen.
it does not work in the long run.
didn't hang on any 500 spin test
i made 5.
:ooh:
i hardly can believe now that any table based system can win on a long run. well maybe EC with Richard's Signum systems or FLATINO's Random vs Random, but i don't believe in dozens anymore
You are right beretta it is stretched Penthouse progression which is used for betting one dozen. After loss you get one up and after win you cross the won one and 2 others in hierarchy down. It is very good progression if you have enough hits. On $5 minimum: 5-5-10-10-15-15-20-20-25-25 and so on...With good selection and enough bankroll, ca. $1,000 this progression has a guts!
Hermes
P.S. Iggi, where is the Richard's Signum system? I would like to read it. Is it EC system? We could improve it.
Thanks komrad.
Quote from: Hermes on Nov 14, 09:28 PM 2010
P.S. Iggi, where is the Richard's Signum system? I would like to read it. Is it EC system? We could improve it.
Thanks komrad.
it is quite complicated, tovarisch. Try to grasp it first before u try to improve it
link:://signumsystem.com/ (link:://signumsystem.com/)
It is so complicated very few people have been able to master it i think, so i can believe it can win after all since no strings attached here -- all free and no casino links to register
the problem with 3 steps backwards on Win and 1 forward on Loss you can finish the progression going back all the way to 1 and still be in loss. So i guess I just continue betting on 1unit on this situation until WinTarget of 25 is achieved?
Is anyone still following this thread?
Quote from: BellagioOwner on Apr 01, 05:12 PM 2016
the problem with 3 steps backwards on Win and 1 forward on Loss you can finish the progression going back all the way to 1 and still be in loss. So i guess I just continue betting on 1unit on this situation until WinTarget of 25 is achieved?
Is anyone still following this thread?
I am. Old thread.
I'm wondering why the "up as you win" methodology by hermes didn't take off.
Just beginning to digest it.
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 02, 12:10 PM 2016
I am. Old thread.
I'm wondering why the "up as you win" methodology by hermes didn't take off.
Just beginning to digest it.
I answered that already (kind of)......*ALL* *EVERY* thread dies out, some sooner than others.
KTF, KTFs uncle (whatever its called), GUT (already in the tank), Grassroots (not far behind) etc etc
It all ends and we move onto cooking recipes from the 1930's.
Ken
cooking recipes from the 1930's.
Cooking recipes! Yum! I need one for mac and cheese and meatloaf.
TwoCat
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 02, 01:12 PM 2016
I answered that already (kind of)......*ALL* *EVERY* thread dies out, some sooner than others.
KTF, KTFs uncle (whatever its called), GUT (already in the tank), Grassroots (not far behind) etc etc
It all ends and we move onto cooking recipes from the 1930's.
Ken
KTF flat bet, when you going to crow on about that then, oh your going cooking then.
Quote from: mogul397 on Apr 02, 12:10 PM 2016
I am. Old thread.
so... Am I doing something wrong inthe progression? i end back again in 1 unit bet and still in negative territory. Do I juste continue betting at 1 unit as long as i win after reaching end of progression?
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 03, 03:53 PM 2016
KTF flat bet, when you going to crow on about that then, oh your going cooking then.
I can re-word it?
*ANY* method...will...be forgotten. Sorry for the bad news.
Ken
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 03, 03:53 PM 2016
KTF flat bet, when you going to crow on about that then, oh your going cooking then.
I have looked at KTF and played it against real spins on RX
I think it will die off as the HE gets the upper hand.
There will be people looking at this forum in 5 years asking "why did KTF post just stop dead"
See pattern breaker or ***FIVE***
They just die.
Seems to me to have a big BR and a small WG....and a BR that is used too. Gets real close, and is only arrested by progression = luck.
Usually, in my experience, this indicates a lack of edge.
Remember, I am using rules that are posted in full...
Good luck with it...but I would never base an idea on "LOTT" and most certainly numbers that had not hit....for sure
All this is my opinion. Dont start crying.
i havent seen any indication that notto would start crying
he is like a duck, the water just rolls off his back
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Apr 03, 06:48 PM 2016
i havent seen any indication that notto would start crying
he is like a duck, the water just rolls off his back
Good for you :thumbsup:
In 5 years? They wont ask WHY, they'll ask, what the heck was KTF?
Ken
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 03, 03:53 PM 2016
KTF flat bet, when you going to crow on about that then, oh your going cooking then.
keep on keepin on
i know we will see sheets tomorrow
Quote from: MrJ on Apr 03, 06:55 PM 2016
In 5 years? They wont ask WHY, they'll ask, what the heck was KTF?
Ken
Nods.
Actually in 5 years someone else will post something just like it (I honestly haven't even looked at it to see what it is - that's how typical I see ideas revolve around in cycles, I just don't bother reading anymore and trying to point out what's wrong)
"Every time that a bet will lose GO FORWARD 1 step in the progression."
Seriously ? Up as you lose. Down as you win is "ass backwards" and everyone knows this by now.
"EVEN AN unintelligent CAN DO IT!"
No comment needed.
"I also told you that U can use the progression with ANY TRIGGER - WAY that u like."
Oh wait, it's the guy using another name who types U instead of you.
I stop reading and know once again why I rarely EVER read a thread that someone else posts.
"I stop reading and know once again why I rarely EVER read a thread that someone else posts" >>
Myself as well, other than scanning over, looking for spam, thats it.
Ken
QuoteDown as you win is "ass backwards" and everyone knows this by now-Turbo
Amen. It's the newbies that believe the up as you lose nonsense. As can tell they're still looking for just the right progressions to make their recycled systems work.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 11, 02:00 PM 2010
Its time for all Roulette forums to CLOSE.
Its time to make REAL money from this game AT LAST!
Bet 1 dozen at a time(in every spin) with any way you like....Roulette doesn't have Triggers and better or worst betting selections. IT IS RANDOM .It is time that you will all escape from the GF and be real MEN. LoL
Bet with this SAFEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and EASYYYYYYYYYYYY progression.
1
1
2
2
3
3
4
4
5
5
6
6
7
7
8
8
9
9
10
10
Every time that a bet will lose GO FORWARD 1 step in the progression.
Every time a bet wins GO BACK 3 steps in the progression and coninue from there.
EVEN AN unintelligent CAN DO IT!
Every time that you are in a new profit ... Go back to the 1st step of the progression(1 unit).
BR=70 chips
WT=25 chips
3Ws and 1 L ratio is making you a LONG TERM WINNER.Isn t this what we need?
Now go and make money
Shit, I missed the hg :P
Quote from: denzie on May 29, 04:34 PM 2016
Shit, I missed the hg :P
Thankfully I don't think you are alone denzie. :)