It's useless to study both bet selection and progressions.
If you have a good bet selection,you earn money even with flat bet,but because bet selection is a dream. . . . . . . . .
If you have a very solid progression,it's a matter of time but in a not so long run you'll be ruined.
Math is against us!
Soto study both, mean losing time.
The only topics to develop are in my opinion:
-Bankroll
-Money management
-stop-win and stop-loss
-max number of spins per sessions-
-number of days per year,spent in a casino
-only hit and run strategies
Discussing about these items ,we can find something new, help each other and decide a simple way of playing different for all players,according with the list above,different for each player too.
Roulette is a simple and SYMMETRIC game.
Studying bet selection an progressions is like an alcohol addiction. . . . .
Everything was/is impossible until someone does it.
It's true
Since I was a child I've been trying to fly,only with my legs and arms.
Up to now I don't succed,but all is impossible until someone does it.
P. S. I have a dog that is trying to do the same,we are confident. . . .
Your point is received, understood and well taken.
Quote from: beretta28 on Nov 12, 09:37 AM 2010
It's true
Since I was a child I've been trying to fly,only with my legs and arms.
Up to now I don't succed,but all is impossible until someone does it.
P. S. I have a dog that is trying to do the same,we are confident. . . .
you can use a computer for roulette
the impossible already has been done. my opinion.
Quote from: beretta28 on Nov 12, 08:38 AM 2010
It's useless to study both bet selection and progressions.
If you have a good bet selection,you earn money even with flat bet,but because bet selection is a dream. . . . . . . . .
If you have a very solid progression,it's a matter of time but in a not so long run you'll be ruined.
Math is against us!
Soto study both, mean losing time.
The only topics to develop are in my opinion:
-Bankroll
-Money management
-stop-win and stop-loss
-max number of spins per sessions-
-number of days per year,spent in a casino
-only hit and run strategies
Discussing about these items ,we can find something new, help each other and decide a simple way of playing different for all players,according with the list above,different for each player too.
Roulette is a simple and SYMMETRIC game.
Studying bet selection an progressions is like an alcohol addiction. . . . .
Are you sure you didnÃ,´t forget to write in big bold letters:
Nothing worksIÃ,´m sure in some days we will read about your unbeatable buyable constant winning system
"Roulette is a simple and SYMMETRIC game." .......and how to exploit it is by using a bet selection to turn it in your favour. :smile:
Regards
Max
QuoteBet selection doesn't exist
Just like Sam said:
it doesn't until you do it.Most satisfactory results are flat betting :)
Regards.
Victor
WELL DONE Beretta!!!!!!
Finalyyyyyyyyyyy.....a person in here has LOGIC and he is SMART!
But """Roulette is a simple and SYMMETRIC game. """
This isn t true...it is Simple yes...BUT NOT symmetric.
If it was Symmetric the way to beat it would have already be found!
Well done...u are in a good road....when u will see that it isn t symmetric u will be in my level.....
u are very close
By symmetric I didn't mean that is EQUILIBRATED.
I meant that whatever you play,the probailities and the pay-out are the same.
So it's also useless to say:-I play Dozens that are better than streets or than EC or similar statements.
Winkel I don't sell anything.
But I have found a way of playing and a disciplined bahaviour that, with 80/100 sessions per year in a live Casino(Montecarlo),allows me to be just a bit + or a bit - every year.
This year I hope to close at + 500 €. For me it's enough!!
I know,it's ridicolous for almost all the users here that want to live with roulette. A dream. . . . . .
Ok then :)
U are in my level... ;D
But this way of urs as u know in the furure will fail...and u will be a loser at -2.7 .
Quote:
....my level.... :o
Hi everyone, with 10+ years playing this game i have this conclusion: numbers sometimes repeat and sometimes they create a sequence (mostly descending), this is not theory, just fact, everyone could read a session and verify, how do u make this a strategy?? i have an answer for that.
Quote from: power3 on Nov 12, 03:23 PM 2010
Hi everyone, with 10+ years playing this game I have this conclusion: numbers sometimes repeat and sometimes they create a sequence (mostly descending), this is not theory, just fact, everyone could read a session and verify, how do you make this a strategy?? I have an answer for that.
Why don t you start a new topic about that.
Welcome to the Forum
Quote from: power3 link=topic=2277. msg21364#msg21364 date=1289593404
Hi everyone, with 10+ years playing this game i have this conclusion: numbers sometimes repeat and sometimes they create a sequence (mostly descending), this is not theory, just fact, everyone could read a session and verify, how do u make this a strategy?? i have an answer for that.
Hang on, you've been playing for 10 years and that's all you've concluded? You can find this fundamental infomation in a math text book. Every sequence of defined length has the same odds as appearing, no matter if certain numbers have hit 5,10 or 500 spins ago. Unfortunately, you CAN'T make a strategy from that, ever seen a dog chasing its tail? Unless you can predict which numbers will repeat it's a no goer. I'm guessing you won't step up and do a challenge?
Roulette doesnt follow a math equation, sorry, ur wrong. I have my system, and works well, i know when the roulette repeat and when the number will follow a descending sequence, im just starting my comments just to see people interested, theres a lot to learn
thanks, im always learning, i have a system, i hope we can share it and improve it
F_LAT_INO says that he has been playing his 9 sector system for over 3 years and it is a winning system.
His system is both a bet selection and progression system.
How do you explain this? ???
George
i respect that, im new here and willing to learn and improve my strategies, and im willing to share my system too
Quote from: power3 on Nov 12, 08:01 PM 2010
I respect that, I'm new here and willing to learn and improve my strategies, and I'm willing to share my system too
Power3,
Please share your system.
99% of us are very interested to be introduced to a new system.
George.
Winning 9 sector system(for three years):luck or a liar.
I won two years in a row(1996/7) playing "ZERO AND NEIGHBOURS" all the sessions!(50 sessions a year)
After I lose a lot. . . and I gave up . It's a matter of time and luck!
If you are very lucky, you don't admit it,but you consider that your system is the holy grail. . . .
This is a basic (wrong) psychology of a gambler
Quote from: power3 on Nov 12, 03:56 PM 2010
Thanks, I'm always learning, I have a system, I hope we can share it and improve it
Give It to us then baby........................
As He-Man would say>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I HAVE THE POWER!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (1983)
By the time the animated series was being developed, He-Man's origins had been revised as follows: his true identity is Prince Adam of Eternia, son of King Randor and Queen Marlena who rule the planet of Eternia along with Adam and the rest of their inner circle. The Sorceress of Castle Grayskull endows Prince Adam with the power to transform into He-Man, which Adam does by raising his Power Sword and proclaiming: "By the power of Grayskull." Once the transformation is complete, he continues "I have the power!"[2]
courtesy of Wikipedia The Free Encyclopedia.
Well, this a clue for repeating numbers: u need to track the wheel for the next pair that will repeat, and then check the next 2 spins, one of those numbers will repeat again, just lets take the magic five sequence first 19 spins: 25-9-11-1-30-32-21-28-27-8-26-27-30-7-00-17-7-25-8
1 .- Notice 27 is the first to repeat, the next pair is 8-26, 8 spins later 8 repeat again
2.- Interesting the pattern for zero: 8-26, this is a classic pattern for zero or double zero, 4 spins later double zero
3.- What about descending patterns: we have 9 (2nd spin), 8 (7 spins later), then 7(4 spins later), and 27(8th spin), 26 (2 spins later), 25 (7 spins later)
Unbelievable. . . . . .
Are you not ashamed to propose such exoteric and stupid system?
"It's useless to study both bet selection and progressions" >>> Damn it !! You could of told me this sooner, thanks alot! ???
Ken
well, some players like to have some kind of "tracker" (black/red, 1st dozen/2nd, even/odd), playing roulette so many years i realized that the wheel has some kind of rhythm, and people get amazed that after 10 reds u expect some blacks too, and its true because the numbers on the wheel are "balanced" to some extent, so any strategy has to focus in the short-term to beat the wheel and run, i use 3 trackers, to predict where the ball will land.
"""""Winning 9 sector system(for three years):luck or a liar.
I won two years in a row(1996/7) playing "ZERO AND NEIGHBOURS" all the sessions!(50 sessions a year)
After I lose a lot. . . and I gave up . It's a matter of time and luck!
If you are very lucky, you don't admit it,but you consider that your system is the holy grail. . . .
This is a basic (wrong) psychology of a gambler""""
I agree COMPLETELY
and power3 U are veryyyyyyyyyyyyyy new in roulette indeed
I really appreciate that comment Jordan, i guess u are generous enough to give me ur best shot and explain how much u know about the game
Quote from: beretta28 on Nov 13, 09:38 AM 2010
Unbelievable. . . . . .
Are you not ashamed to propose such exoteric and regular system?
--And are you not ashamed for calling somebody a liar.
For F LAT INO
I giocatori sono,per definizione dei bugiardi,tutti, anch'io!
For JORDAN
Dear friend,
I'm afraid that we are a minority in this Forum to think that most users are losing their time here.
Question :Why Jordan and Beretta 28 do you partecipate and post in this Forum?If you are so pessimistic and negative about roulette systems,please look at different Forums!
Answer:We look at this Forum because we enjoy to see that so many people want to beat a game that is impossible to beat with math,statitistics or other. It's amazing to " feel and touch" the human stupidity post after post!
Even if since 1860 scientists,mathematicians and players have tried to find a solution without result,someone keep on looking for solutions,that don't exist!
A lot of people have tried with very powerful computers too:no solution.
In spite of that many user keep on proposing systems,tests,progressions,bet selections,new ideas.
A lot of old players have given up roulette after conclusion that there is no way of winning.
They play Black Jack now.
But they are immediately replaced by new generation that don't trust the disappointing experience of old players(that's the life. Also in a family,often a child considers useless the experience of his parents).
OK the joke can go on. . . . . .
Quote from: beretta28 on Nov 13, 10:25 AM 2010
It's amazing to " feel and touch" the human stupidity post after post!
beretta28, let that be the last dig at our community and its point of view. I appreciate yours is different. So now let it rest please.
I have done my best to keep out of these kinds of topics but I felt I had to put in my two cents here. I am addressing this to Jordan, beretta28 and any other player who feels the need to say that all roulette systems that work this way or that will fail because roulette is a game of whatever or whichever.
You think we don't know that already? In our testing and experimenting and heart and gut-wrenching tests we have experienced firsthand how cruel and unpredictable roulette truly is and yet when we feel that we have something that MAY possibly win in the long-term we decide we want to share it with the world so we post it here. The testers then test it and offer any suggestions or opinions that may help to improve that system so it has a higher chance of winning in the long term but we already know that the unforgiving game of roulette will toss in many losses in between those wins so we don't need people like YOU telling us that the systems will lose. We already know that!
That is all. Thank you for reading if you chose to. :) Now I will go back to being an optimistic roulette player testing and creating new systems that will lose.
Droganson,
I really appreciate the polite way you gave your opinion(more polite than my way of posting) and I must confess that your statements are very smart, clever and I share them.
You said that studying for systems you know already they will lose, make you happy.
But(and I'm serious because I used to be like you) don't you consider that is a form of addiction?Looking for systems I mean,not the roulette itself!
Sure it's better than alcohol,drug or sex(this one may be is better. . . . . ),but it's an addiction and I repeat I was like you,so I understand very well.
If you are conscious of that and if you know perfectly that roulette is unbeatable,I apologize with you and with all users that have your same opinion.
Unluckily a minority,I'm afraid
Droganson
well done!
I am happy that u also know that roulette can NOT be beaten in the long run!
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 13, 11:45 AM 2010
Droganson
well done!
I am happy that you also know that roulette can NOT be beaten in the long run!
Still we can go and make money with your newest system, isn't that great? :o
Some of us knows the fact that we can't beat roulette with maths, still we are here to enjoy the community and we are happy to test systems. You never know, ey?
trolling the forums could be a form of addiction anyways.....
however that being said ... anyways who gambles what he cant afford to lose is a fool. The fun is in beating the game :D :D
anyways lets just ignore the trolling part of the thread and discuss the important stuff....
ie
Quote from: beretta28 on Nov 12, 08:38 AM 2010
The only topics to develop are in my opinion:
-Bankroll
-Money management
-stop-win and stop-loss
-max number of spins per sessions-
-number of days per year,spent in a casino
-only hit and run strategies
That in my humble opinion is what we should be deliberating on in this topic.
Hamsup :-[
Good points, Hamsup.
There is a hit'n'run thread but, sadly, it doesn't seem to be very active. Which rather surprises me...
Hopefully you can add to it from time to time. :thumbsup:
I have a friend who just loves to play roulette. He thinks he's going to have a big win one day. He probably will, but he won't leave the casino with it.
He and I go to the casino here in town occasionally and play our little airball roulette wheel. His method is straight up numbers which he bets based on hunches, what he hasn't seen come up for a while, someone's birth date. Sometimes he wins. Most of the time he loses. Sometimes, out of frustration, he bets a lot on 1 number that hasn't hit for a long time or just scatters chips all over the table. This is when he can really lose.
Oh, by the way, he thinks the time I spend on roulette forums is a waste of time. It's all luck anyway. Right?
When I go to the casino with him, I always play 1 or 2 of a few systems I know that I feel gives me a good chance of walking out a winner or at best a small loser. I have very defined boundaries I play in. If I get frustrated, I take a break for a while. I never lose more than I intended to, etc...
Guess what! I am actually ahead playing roulette for the last year and he's so much in the hole, he can never catch up.
Thanks you guys for sharing what you know with me, encouraging me to keep trying, but be smart, don't take unnecessary risks, etc...
That's why I'm still here. Not to mention that some of you are pretty decent chaps to interact with.
By the way, Atlantis, if you are reading this, I miss you my friend.
Hope all is well.
Regards,
George
"Guess what! I am actually ahead playing roulette for the last year" >>> Great job sir!! :thumbsup:
Ken
Well done George, :thumbsup:
The good news is that it does not need to be a one off either.
There is an old saying that I rather like.
"chance favours the prepared mind"
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 13, 08:13 PM 2010
"chance favours the prepared mind"
I would say the prepared mind is the one that learns the recurrent nature of chance the most and adapts consistently to these changes...
What is rarer to find is not a winning system but a winning attitude.
Quote from: beretta28 on Nov 12, 09:37 AM 2010
It's true
Since I was a child I've been trying to fly,only with my legs and arms.
Up to now I don't succed,but all is impossible until someone does it.
P. S. I have a dog that is trying to do the same,we are confident. . . .
since I was a child I've been trying to levitate, but no matter how long I do it I can only get a few inches off the ground.
"I am happy that you also know that roulette can NOT be beaten in the long run" >>> I disagree with you Jordan. As many times as you post this, I will continue to RE-POST, I disagree. AP is not the answer long term either, sorry bro.
Ken
Quote from: Red Nickels on Nov 24, 12:10 AM 2010
since I was a child I've been trying to levitate, but no matter how long I do it I can only get a few inches off the ground.
Hey Red,
Sounds like you are levitating.
That must mean you have beaten roulette.
I'll take a few inches of wins.
Cheers,
George
"bet selection doesn't exist' :xd:
Here is the state of play from the 10 euro bonus I received from Fairway Casino.
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Now considering I am only betting in 10 cent units and playing between 4-7 streets, I am doing pretty well. I stopped checking the Z-Score once it went past +4.0!
So if you really, really, really think that bet selection does not exist, you may want to reconsider that statement.
My ego is out today :wink:
p.s. 'Timing + LW Methodology Volume 2" hint..hint... :thumbsup:
Nice work mate :thumbsup:
Bet selection doesn't exist UNTIL you have a working bet selection.
Same as with a profitable system. "There is no viable system", until you finally have one!
Cheers.
You are very diplomatic Victor :smile:
What you say is of course true. People like your good self and I imagine a few others like Carpanta have all had to start from scratch just like the rest of us.
Someone on another gambling forum posted the following statement today.
"how could you know a method worked. a different set of numbers spun and it would not work."
It kind of backs up what you are saying because if you have a winning method/system, it does not matter WHAT numbers come up, you will find your way around it.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 25, 01:09 PM 2010
if you have a winning method/system, it does not matter WHAT numbers come up, you will find your way around it.
The most important thing then being your method to be as adaptative and as malleable as possible to try to "catch 'em all" so to speak.
Good thing is, in gambling, you don't need to be 100% accurate to make a profit. Even a 1% more accuracy than the expected -2.7% can make you a millionaire!
Again, long-term mentality. Reminds me when Laurance said "I played with an edge" and the wifey knew he lost the session, but still he had the overall edge!
Quote from: VLS on Nov 25, 01:17 PM 2010
The most important thing then being your method to be as adaptative and as malleable as possible to try to "catch 'em all" so to speak.
Excactly Victor. You hit the nail on the head. The problem there is you can't buy experience. There are a lot of subtleties that you can only pick up along the way. That brings me to one of my favourite sayings,
"A winner never quits and a quitter never wins" I think that comes from legendary football coach Vince Lombardi.
Quote from: flukey luke on Nov 25, 01:27 PM 2010
"A winner never quits and a quitter never wins" I think that comes from legendary football coach Vince Lombardi.
That was said by the Great Author Napoleon Hill ! :)
You are right Twister :D
Oh well, not to dissapoint Vince Lombardi fans, here are a few of his famous quotes.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary."