This is a subject that always interests me. If you play a method that works 'well', do you really need to know why? What if your math is not the best (like myself)? What if you do not hold any math degrees? In my opinion, I feel that LOTS of testing/playing is just as good (or better) than a degree. Too many players are afraid of the 2.7% or 5.26%, big deal I say.
Yes, you have to be CREATIVE as hell but for Gods sake, 5.26 is NOT that damn bad (in my opinion). I use a couple methods that have brought me VERY NICE profits but if you ask me WHY it works, I couldn't tell ya. Just because an author of a method can not FULLY explain the 'whys' or the 'hows', does not exactly mean the method does not work. Another point is....'the long run'.
What the heck does that even mean? So if a method is doing 'well' over 40K spins but tanks near the 7 billion spin mark......"the method failed, it sucks!" WTF? ??? So many testing DEFINITIONS are so TIGHT in roulette, a person would NEVER be happy with any attempt at winning. That's my blog/rant for the day.
Ken
It isn t only the 2.7% or 5.26% that is making us losing.
It is also the nature of Randomness.
Now if you will combine the 2.7% or 5.26% + the Randomness you have the unbeatable game of Roulette.
It is so simple.
'Combining' means that the 2.7 or 5.26 would be higher. So what is it then?
Ken
I will explain it to you more analitic.
The -2.7 is the steady MATHIMATICAL DISADVANTAGE of the game
The RANDOMNESS is something that can t be traped so it can make you lose some sessions with out needing the -2.7....
And as I posted above if you will combine the -2.7 + Randomness = Roulette
That is why it exists 400+ years in the Casinos as a profitable mechanism for them.
lol, Give me an updated number. If its not 2.7 or 5.26....with that scary randomness, what is the NEW percent I should be AFRAID of?
Ken
As randomness is NOT steady....it can not be given to you a Steady NUMBER of disadvantage ......
In some sessions the disadvantage can be -70% in other can be +70
BUT in the LONG LONG LONG RUN the PURE disadvantage will be the steady math disadvantage that it is the -2.7.
If you can t understand this ...then I am sorry.
In other words Randomness + the -2.7 disadvantage are giving us hard time in our playing sessions.
And the -2.7 disadvantage by itself is giving us the steady loss in the LONG run.
I would not feel comfortable playing a method if I did not have at least some idea of why it worked. I have stopped in the middle of playing a method many times because it just does not feel right. The idea is to try and lessen the gamble in gambling. I can't sit there and go through an emotional rollercoaster of highs and lows, that is just pure out and out gambling. Rather, I will try and treat it like a businessman would. I am there to protect my capital and bet when a good opportunity presents itself. You can only do this if you know 'why and where' in the first place. Luckily for me, I am only fighting against 2.7%. That is not such a big disadvantage as people make out. If you treat the odds with respect and don't bet when you know it is not a good idea, the edge becomes an irrelevance.
"I would not feel comfortable playing a method if I did not have at least some idea of why it worked" >>> I agree with that 100%.
@Jordan >> I dont want to read through hundreds of posts, what is your BEST posted method? Does the 2.7 (or 5.26) ever go higher for you? If yes, then why play it? 40% disadvantage would suck. If no, why does it NOT go higher for you BUT with randomness, it can/should go higher for others?
Ken
I have already answered ur questions in the above post.
No. You dont need to know how it works, as long as it does work.
Its when it does not work, we tend to wonder why.
For example, I know how to use my microwave. Simple. Put food in push buttons=cooked food.
I do not know for the life of me how it does it. Yes I have a basic understanding that it uses microwaves to generate heat, BUT I dont know how it does that. Nor do I care, because IT WORKS.
If it only worked say 50% of the time, then I (we) would probally wonder why.
Anyway, thats my take on it.
If we all use Vic's Tool and it wins us money Im pretty confident most will choose, "do you want another session" than be sat there trying to work out how it does what it does.
Yes but the WHY (this means HOW) the microwave works there is a genuine reason.
It is involved electronics+knowledje...
And even if YOU do not know WHY it works...there are other people (like the microwave inventor and the microwave enginiars ) that KNOW why and how it works....
So the genuine conclusion is that IF we don t know WHY and HOW something is working...then it CAN NOT work.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 14, 02:27 PM 2010
So the genuine conclusion is that IF we don't know WHY and HOW something is working...then it CAN NOT work.
I disagree.
"I have already answered your questions in the above post" >>> Where in the above posts does it mention YOUR method of choice? The method YOU play?
Ken
My method of play is only Advantage-play.(VB)
When I have the time to spend in searching the correct wheels and their datas, I play.
When I don't have the time to do it...I just don't go there to gamble.
If I had a team I would play Advantage-play as a profession...Now that I don't its just a hobby
This why I posted in an other Topic that I can t consider my self as an advantage player.
For me Advantage Play is a profession and not a hobby
In Roulette the only reason for a system to work(exept AP) would be the possibilities...and when i say possibilities I always mean that in the long run the sectors must have hit almost equal.
BUT we have all witness in several systems of possibilities that RANDOMNESS isn t obeyng to them....
So if we can t rely on them then we can t rely on anything...so we don t have any reason why a system to win.....
The hard proof is that NOONE till now have ever beat roulette in the long run
So you are an Advantage-player but you are not an Advantage-player, ok got it.
VB....can I start testing your results for that? Nope. ROFL.....As I always say, quite convenient.
Ken
I really can t understand ur silly and imature attiitude.
I never claimed that I am a pro VB player and that I am winning millions...Then ur attidude may had a point.
You don t even know what VB is about so you don t have any base to ur claimns.
IF u remember my posts about AP I am the 1st to say that nowdays winning is very hard
"You don't even know what VB is about so you don't have any base to your claimns" >>> You dont know much about decent methods so I cant really help you out. Your loss I guess. You made my point....I have NOTHING to base *YOUR* claims on. :D Kind of convenient as usual. Thats what I love most about non-method players. They can NOT provide PROOF as to how they play or I should say, that they do 'well' playing. In my book, thats called hiding. I never implied that you have made millions.
"I am the 1st to say that nowdays winning is very hard" >>> You dont get to have it BOTH ways. Either you do NOT win using VB....or........you do win with VB but its not subject to me testing it? ROFL :P
Ken
I DO win by playing VB.
The hard part is to find the suitable conditions.
And if someone can NOT provide PROOF of WHY his system is winning then he isn t winning.
IF U HAD A DECENT METHOD AS U SAY ...U WOULDN T BE HERE AND IN VLS AND IN GG.
LOL....U just live in a fantasy
Gents,
You must know why something works or not,otherwise
you are in the middle of nowhere.
Quote from: Jordan on Nov 14, 04:01 PM 2010
I DO win by playing VB.
The hard part is to find the suitable conditions.
And if someone can NOT provide PROOF of WHY his system is winning then he isn t winning.
IF you HAD A DECENT METHOD AS you SAY ...U WOULDN T BE HERE AND IN VLS AND IN GG.
LoL....U just live in a fantasy
...... Its your LIE coolbreeze, make it as big as you want. lol It must be nice to put down others and hide behind AP (cough). What are your other user names at GG/VLS?
So if I have a decent method(s), I am not allowed to post at sites?
"if someone can NOT provide PROOF of WHY his system is winning then he isn t winning" >>> Says the LOSER roulette player. Its not our fault you do not win playing this game. Blame somebody else please.
Ken
Gents,
You must know why something works or not,otherwise
you are in the middle of nowhere
this is what I am trying to tell him in all these posts but it seems that he should start again from the primary school.....
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
MJ you are the most uneducated member I have ever seen!
And I am not in the VLS and in the GG
I did a great thread on this a while back. Why is it that a 20 year roulette guy IN GENERAL (not always) does better than a first year roulette guy? Its only a coincidence? Come on, there has to be a REASON. The 2.7/5.26 is SUPPOSE to affect everyone the same, so I hear.
Ken
Thats fine Jordan but I am STILL waiting for your PROOF that you do 'well' using VB....waiting hotshot......... :D When can we all expect to SEE that proof?
Ken
The proof is in my walet....do u want to take a pic of it and show you...lol...u are sick.
Go to the primary school to learn the simple maths and then go to the doctor to check ur head.
No person that play 20 years Roulette can be better than a person that just heard about roulette.
They are both losing under the -2.7....
when u will go to the PRIMARY SCHOOL they will tell u the same....hahahahahhaha!
UNEDUCATED AND SICK!
u are a rare case man
"The proof is in my walet....do you want to take a pic of it and show you" >>> Nope, thats not PROOF. That money could of come from anywhere. So WHEN can we expect to see your PROOF that you do 'well' using VB? One rule for everybody, no exceptions for you Jordan. Walk it like you talk it coolbreeze. If others can not win....nor can you. If others have to show proof.....that also means you. The 2.7/5.26 kills us all in the end......same rule for you Jordan. You sure do sound FAMILIAR to a couple other clowns I know. :twisted:
Ken
When someone play with Advantage-play isn t playing with the -2.7.
He alters the disadvantage into an advantage...this is why it is called Advantage-play....
U should know that ...u have seen it in so many posts of the genuine and respeactable snowman.
I can t really understand how a VB player can show you proof that he is winning....
It isn t a math system to tell you what to do and test it in some thousants of spins and check it out.
"u have seen it in so many posts of the genuine and respeactable snowman" >>> Oh boy, here we go. I called it first...I knew it. :D
Maybe I should of asked you that question a bit different? Are you an EX member of GG/VLS? LoL I will never understand the use of DIFFERENT user names.
"I can t really understand how a VB player can show you proof that he is winning" >>> BINGO BANGO, thanks, thats all I needed.
Ken
i know the answer to the above question ......
LUCK ... PLAIN AND SIMPLE :twisted:
Hamsup
The edge compared to dispersion is like a mosquito compared to an alligator.
"When you're up to your arse in alligators, you don't swat the mosquitoes."
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 15, 02:30 PM 2010
The edge compared to dispersion is like a mosquito compared to an alligator.
"When you're up to your arse in alligators, you don't swat the mosquitoes."
Sam
roflmao
hamsup