If today a person can test a million rng spins over a couple of days. So can test billions quickly and see limits for example a single number will hit 9 times in a row eventually.
How can randomness not have a limit since that would mean eventually a single number would hit 1000s of times in row.
Therefore the limits are there for those able to test.
Therefore roulettes beatable played within the limits.
Not just limitz but also most common categorys that stay same for million spins such as most common repeaters before x happens
Anything can happen, it's just some events are very unlikely.
Don't get carried away with testing. Most times systems can be proved useless without testing. If you don't have an edge somehow on the accuracy of prediction of a number occurring more times than 1/37 then the system will be a waste of time .
If over millions of spins 8 uniques is the most common before the first repeat. Why cant someone test how many times this bet will miss and make a method around that
Also why is 8 even the most common is it some math thing.why doesnt it alternate if its random .
8 in not the most common, it is the average.
The most common are 5,6,7.
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1st column: how many nrs you play
2nd: Odds of winning (n/37)
3rd: %age of runs that will face this bet
4th: %age of runs that will win this bet.
So if you multiply A by B it gives you the percentage of winnings at n-numbers.
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Most common win is with 6nrs at 10,6% of runs.
You also see that 34,7361% of the runs will hit after 8nrs.
@Anastasius
It's some maths thing!
Chance 1st number is unique
37/37
Chance 2nd number is unique
37/37 x 36/37
Chance 3rd number is unique
37/37 x 36/37 x 35/37
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Chance 8th number is unique
37/37 x 36/37 ....... 30/37 = ? ? ?
Grab a calculator and check it out for yourself. You will prove for yourself why. You'll find chance goes less than 0.5.
Non of this offers you any advantage in predicting the next number though!
Even 6 numbers then is most common. . And in million runs how many times will it go over 6 and miss the bet
50.100.200? I dont get with the info of most common events that some method cant be made.
Or even with the triple graphs .. the most common spin numbers...how many times can they miss...
Betting 6 uniques is better than betting any 6 random numbers right?
It's not better, it's just different.
What i mean is will u have the same losing streak as 6 bet randomly
And i dont believe in math.
It hits the 6 most through wheel magic
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 11:32 AM 2019
Betting 6 uniques is better than betting any 6 random numbers right?
Uniques/repeaters etc are all irrelevant. It's exactly the same chance.
Uniques/repeaters are gambler's fallacy methods. You will lose money to the house edge by employing these tactics.
Did anyone test the total losing streaks of these methods and make a progression from the strings of losses.
Or even the most common amount of losses before the win like xxxx then win is most common so always bet after 4 misses
The most common won't be 6 uniques and then win. It will go over a few times first most commonly before the majority of wins
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 11:55 AM 2019
Did anyone test the total losing streaks of these methods and make a progression from the strings of losses.
Or even the most common amount of losses before the win like xxxx then win is most common so always bet after 4 misses
Probably lots of people have test this before. I think I did too one day.
And it cant work even with waiting x losses.
That's right. It's a proportional descent.
No matter how many virtual losses you wait, there is still a 65% chance of winning on or before 8 spins.
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 11:55 AM 2019
Did anyone test the total losing streaks of these methods and make a progression from the strings of losses.
Or even the most common amount of losses before the win like xxxx then win is most common so always bet after 4 misses
You don't need to test any of them. You can tell immediately they will be losing because:
(a) They rely on immediately previous results.
(b) They offer no increase in accuracy of prediction.
So, you are complete wasting your time if you are looking to win any money long term.
If however, you just want to have fun and enjoy the "magic" of the wheel then go for it. But you don't need any testing or advice for that. Just play it as you feel it!
On the first run, you have 65% chances of hitting in 8 spins.
65% of the 35% remaining will hit in 8.
Say 1/3 and 2/3 just for ease of explaining:
Chance of hitting on the first run: 2/3
.....hitting on 2nd run: 2/3 of the 1/3 left (2/9)
...hitting on 3rd run: 2/3 of 2/9 (2/27).
so on.
But at each missed run, the chances are the same for the next to hit.
But whats the most common amount of times it will go over 6 before hitting on 6 unique... i dont think the first attempt will be most common
I understand everntually it will go over maybe 50 times but is there a most common in the same way 6 is the most common
Have u seen.out.of curiosity the max amount of times it went over before returning to hit 6
If you sit at a wheel and 22 comes up there times in a row, is there an advantage on betting on 22 the next spin?
Here is a sheet for a thousand spins.
Enter the max run length you want in B2.
Press F9 to change the nr set or import your nrs.
No.
But in million spins a number will triple before spin 50. It will go to a max of 18 doubles .the.most common will be 3. This isnt all useless information.. when a number quadruples the.most common will be 2... up to a max of 15 triples before the quadruple ... the first 5th is even fewer eventually it will be out of only a few numbers in x spins. If u know from tests the max numbers u will need to bet in max spins u can always get at least 1 unit.
But does what you have just said give you a better chance of betting now. Would it make any difference if 22 had just come up twice?
What is the 3 columns ... the cons columns.. can i make it bet after 6 only or does it must bet at 1.2.3.4.5.6
No its same odds
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 12:34 PM 2019
What is the 3 columns ... the cons columns.. can i make it bet after 6 only or does it must bet at 1.2.3.4.5.6
It's ''consecutive''.
This sheet is as if you played 1nr, then 2, then 3, up to the nr you wrote in B2
If one number only has doubled back to back and u can only bet one number betting on spin 3 is not ideal but if still only 1 number has doubled u have a better chance to bet on spin on spin 10. This has been tested.
So 22.22. Then bet is worse than
22.22. 3.6.9.0.13.4.36. Then bet 22 is better.
No that's wrong its same odds spin 10 is better only due to more chance of a double up so more wins occur on spin 10
This one.
Choose when to start betting, when to stop.
My answwrs wrong its same odds.
Spin 10 is only more hits due to more betting opportunities due to having the double up .its same either bet 1/37
....also with graph can i see max losses in a row .losing bets
Thanks
They are both the same 1/37
For which you get paid 35:1 Therefore they are both losing .
The chance that 22 comes up three times in a row is a rare event .
1 in 50,000
So you are averse to betting 22 again because the event of three in a row is rare.
But since the double has already happened that is history and has no relevance.
The chance that 22 will occur Now is still 1/37.
You are falling victim to the fallacy, and you are doing the same with your 6 or 8 uniques.
The previous 6 numbers make no difference to the probability of the next result.
Its always 1/37 i understand
But if in million spins u saw instead 18 max numbers only 10 u could wait spin 25 then marty and always catch a win 99.9% of time. By the time u have a loss u would have won 1000 progressions. Im sure somewhere u can always get a win in x spins.
It's the same as playing a Marty on an even chance. The previous results have no relevance.
You can only double up 6 or 7 times. You have a 1 in 128 chance of losing a full 7x Marty. So 99.something percent.
So Marty doesn't change anything. It gives you good promise of short term wins, but on the 128th time or sooner, you'll lose everything plus more on top.
A triple up is a max of 18 numbers in 50 spins. The most common is 3 doubles. I meant if the max was 10 instead of 18. .. it a bigger range if u start spin 25 with 4 numbers. Theres 100.000 progressions in this range. Ita just out of reach still u end up betting to much and after many spins it still will exceed 50 spins
Anastasius, it's simple. The odds of an event increase with amount of spins.
There is no limit. Like a dog chasing it's tail.
You are confusing probability in x number of spins. It's like saying in a single coin toss, the limit is 2 possibilities. So what? Does it help?
What if we did 10 tosses, or 20, 300,300000?
some graphs show 1000s of wins with few numbers before bust the prgression its always just out of reach though so far
broben
is there anything on your excel spreadhseet with where u can bet just for example 8 uniques then 1 bet only that shows the maximum amount of losses ina row or the most common losses b4 the win, im getting very good results from ur graph
Quotesome graphs show 1000s of wins....
Which graphs?
Take most graphs you see posted on this forum with a very large pinch of salt, though I'd trust BigB's graphs more than some others.
Most graphs are posted using the selection device of rose tinted spectacles!
broben forget what i said i just saw 21 losses in a row now im only curious about the most common amount of losses before a win
like example 5 losses before a win happened 132 times in many spins
then second most common is 3 losses before a win which happens 100 times
but im only interested in the most common amount of losses
is there a way to find that for 6 numbers
Theres many graphs for each level of repeater and other events basically tells u whats gunna happen long term whether u believe it... its still out of reach tho the perfect range doesnt mean it doesnt exist
You're not getting it. What does all that matter if you're winning at 1 in 37 but only get paid 35-1?
Repeaters, hot, cold, crossing lines, due, streaks, random limits.. all bullshit. They happen with RNG, real wheels or whatever.
People are still clueless to the fundamental problem: the payouts are lower than the odds.
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 11:32 AM 2019
Betting 6 uniques is better than betting any 6 random numbers right?
Mathematically no. Every number has a 1 in
37 (1 in 38 American Wheel) chance of winning.
So technically it would be (1/37) to the sixth power
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Moreover uniques tend to go stale for long periods (from observation)
I just witnessed a string of 14 consecutive unique
singles. In and of themselves they are not reliable to bet.
I think he is getting confused with the fact that if we start watching now then there's more likely to be a repeat starting around the 7th to 8th spin, if the first few are uniques.
That's correct, but it's not the same thing as waiting for x uniques and then start betting for them to repeat.
Once those uniques have gone, they are history. The wheel has no memory, it resets every spin. So those uniques may as just as well be any randoms.
It's sometimes a difficult thing to get your head around, but it's a fact which will save a lot of cash.
I feel like a repeater myself!
I have been inspired by this thread. Here is
an attempt to exploit six consecutive uniques.
*Been noticing this phenomena
quite a bit. Perhaps it is exploitable.
-----*Six consecutive uniques 'pause' system*-----
Procedure: Track six consecutive unique singles. (qualifier)
Wait the next six spins. (Doesn't matter if any of the six show or not)
Bet those six original uniques for up to six spins.
Stop on a win or after six consecutive misses.
Example: 12,0,31,7,14,3 (qualifier)
...2,0,13,9,14,6 (trigger)
Bet 12,0,31,7,14,3 for up to six spins.
If all six bets miss (or a hit but not in profit) start the
Procedure over with the newest six consecutive uniques.
Stop when in profit.
Total bankroll requirement: 144 units
I understand the odds re set...
Good method proofreader
Example .. wothin 50 spins in 100k cycles. A number triples from 1 double to 22 doubles max. It will inevitably go over 50 but thats the current test limit. If it went to 12 numbers instead of 22 ...but its just out of reach
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 10:38 PM 2019
broben
is there anything on your excel spreadhseet with where u can bet just for example 8 uniques then 1 bet only that shows the maximum amount of losses ina row or the most common losses b4 the win, im getting very good results from ur graph
Yes. If you write 8 in all 3 parameters cell, it will wait until there are 8 uniques, and will bet once on 8 nrs.
Bro ben do u know the maximum losses in a row for 6 uniques over like 100k spins or more
6 uniques then 1 bet not 6 bets
Broben sorry i keep bothering u with requests but forget all my other requests please i just need a spreadsheet with that i can set it to start betting on doubles for the first triple. So for example i set it to bet only when theres 3 doubles then re set if one of the number triples also re set if 4 doubles occur
This man is onto something, and everyone just keeps throwing math at him. :question:
Anastasius - kindly share what you're up with mate. Obviously you think that you've spotted something.
I'd also like to know what it is.
Havent seen anythung.
Just seen some graphs for the first number for a triple up and also that 6 uniques happens the most amount of times for a first double up... but everything im trying is just out of reach so far
Broben knows whats going on cause he can program anything he could easily beat it
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 03, 09:51 AM 2019
Broben knows whats going on cause he can program anything he could easily beat it
It cannot be easily beaten.
6 different numbers is the most common event for a first double up.
Thats all .but each spin is same odds so cant do much
How many numbers maximum for a first number to hit 10 times... like 8 or some thing.... how many spins with a max of 8 to guarantee a hit....there u go. Beaten....but who can even test that unless u can program
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 03, 09:12 AM 2019
Broben sorry i keep bothering u with requests but forget all my other requests please i just need a spreadsheet with that i can set it to start betting on doubles for the first triple. So for example i set it to bet only when theres 3 doubles then re set if one of the number triples also re set if 4 doubles occur
I got you a crazy mad sheet. You can enter whichever x-hitter you are wanting to play for, and below the minimum and maximum nrs you want to play. It resets on a hit, if the max nrs is reached or if the repeater arrives before your minimum nrs are attained.
I pleased myself with a progression option: Flat, Positive, Negative or Auto. Pos/Neg can be exponential or +/-.
The Auto mode calculates how many units you should put to reach a new high on next hit.
It's on the random function in column G: press F9 for a new set of nrs. Enter your nr set (up to 1000nrs) in column G or 1 by 1for real play: functions are added in the different columns not to show #REF! #VALUE! or #N/A if in a spin-per-spin usage.
Play with it, enjoy, ask if any questions. Can you find Waldo?
Quote from: Anastasius on Apr 02, 10:52 AM 2019
If over millions of spins 8 uniques is the most common before the first repeat. Why cant someone test how many times this bet will miss and make a method around that
Also why is 8 even the most common is it some math thing.why doesnt it alternate if its random .
I am in the process of formulating such a method. See all my posts on page 3:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=25944.30
Also see this:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19292.0
It's quite time consuming to develop this kind of method.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 01:17 AM 2019
You're not getting it. What does all that matter if you're winning at 1 in 37 but only get paid 35-1?
Repeaters, hot, cold, crossing lines, due, streaks, random limits.. all bullshit. They happen with RNG, real wheels or whatever.
People are still clueless to the fundamental problem: the payouts are lower than the odds.
True, but we also established that the game can be beaten without any edge because if you take away the table limits then the break even game can be overcome.
With infinite capital and no limits even a game with house edge can theoretically be overcome. You just add losses from zero to your progression bets and continue increasing till you win.... but you may also need infinite time to do so!
Table limits do flaw the game to an extent but they provide a convenient mechanism for the house to claw back its profits in a reasonable time, as well as limiting exposure to greater sums than the house may posess to honour a winning bet.
Alright here is another idea for you :)
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Track the newest six consecutive unique
singles. Which even-chance has equal parts?
Example: 23,4,16,14,7,27 (newest outcome)
Odd/Even has both three Even and three Odd numbers.
Bet the original six unique singles once.
If the newest outcome is Odd remove the fourth
newest Odd outcome and add the newest Odd
and vice-versa if the newest outcome is Even.
Example: (from above) 23, 4, 16, 14, 7, 27
Bet the newest six unique singles: 1.) 1(x)-6
(the newest outcome is Odd)
Bet newest equal parts Odd and Even
Bet 4,16,14,7,27,1
(Even, Even, Even, Odd, Odd, Odd)-equal parts
Test: Vegas2Web Casino European Wheel-
Friday, April 5,2019 @ 11:01pm CDT USA
...12,31,1,33,32,5 (newest spin-value)
High Low equal parts:
(three High, three Low outcomes)
Bet 5,1,12 & 32,33,31: 1.) 27(x)-6
Bet 5,1,12 & 33,32,27: 2.) 15(x)-6
Bet 15,5,1 & 33,32,27: 3.) 3(x)-6
Bet 3,15,5 & 27,32,33: 4.) 17(x)-6
Bet 17,3,15 & 27,32,33: 5.) 27(win)+30
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+6
Test: Jackpot Capital Casino American
Wheel-Friday, April 5,2019 @ 11:14pm CDT USA
...24,20,32,5,25,17 (newest spin-value)
(Odd/Even Equal Parts)
Bet 24,20,32 & 5,25,17: 1.) 35(x)-6
Bet 24,20,32 & 35,17,25: 2.) 24(win)+30
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+24
==============================
Test: Jackpot Capital Casino European
Wheel-April 5,2019 @ 11:24pm CDT USA
...1,6,33,36,17,16 (newest spin-value)
(Odd/Even equal parts)
Bet 16,36,6 & 17,33,1: 1.) 1(win)+30
Proofreader once u get6uniques what does it mean about odd and even being equal
Any of the three even chances can qualify.
Qualifier: three Odd and three Even unique singles
or three High and three Low unique singles
or three Red and three Black unique singles.
*ignore zeros
A quick observation.
It looks like there is a good hit rate if you:
First track six consecutive unique singles.
Bet the newest six outcomes each spin for up to six
spins. Stop on a win or after six consecutive misses.
Example: 12, 31, 0, 5, 26, 9 (newest spin-value)
Bet 12, 31, 0, 5, 26, 9: 1.) 2(x)-6
Bet 31, 0, 5, 26, 9, 2: 2.) 34(x)-6
Bet 0, 5, 26, 9, 2, 34....
Test: Vegas2Web Casino European Wheel-
Monday, April 8,2019 @ 1:07am CDT USA
...14, 15, 11, 17, 20, 2 (newest spin-value)
Bet 14, 15, 11, 17, 20, 2: 1.) 31(x)-6
Bet 15, 11, 17, 20, 2, 31: 2.) 27(x)-6
Bet 11, 17, 20, 2, 31, 27: 3.) 26(x)-6
Bet 17, 20, 2, 31, 27, 26: 4.) 27(win)+30
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+12
Test: Jackpot Capital Casino American
Wheel-Monday, April 8,2019 @ 1:16am CDT USA
...36, 18, 13, 1, 33, 23 (newest spin-value)
Bet 36, 18, 13, 1, 33, 23: 1.) 30(x)-6
Bet 18, 13, 1, 33, 23, 30: 2.) 35(x)-6
Bet 13, 1, 33, 23, 30, 35: 3.) 27(x)-6
Bet 1, 33, 23, 30, 35, 27: 4.) 5(x)-6
Bet 33, 23, 30, 35, 27, 5: 5.) 35(win)+30
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+6
Test: Dublinbet European Wheel #1-
Monday, April 8,2019 @ 1:27am CDT USA
...3, 0, 30, 27, 13, 32 (newest spin-value)
Bet 3, 0, 30, 27, 13, 32: 1.) 27(win)+30