The PLUSCOUP PROGRESSION is a winning or "up as you win" progression.
The first betsize is always 1 unit.
If this first bet wins, then the attack is terminated and again 1 unit is bet.
If the first bet loses, the betsize remains 1 unit up to the first win.
After the first hit with 1 unit the betsize is increased to 2 units.
As long as the balance is negative, after a win the betsize is increased by 1 unit.
This raise after a win is to be continued, until either a positive balance is achieved, or up to a specific relation between wins and losses.
Which of these two possibilities the user selects, depends on his personal preferences. One prefers to secure with small bankroll requirements a small win, the other one accepts a higher downswing if he can realize thereby a substantial win.
The PLUSCOUP PROGRESSION is a very shallow progression, with which the betsize rises only slowly.
In the following example on BLACK / RED we try to win 8 units.
For simplicity we bet only on RED:
Spielbank Hamburg, Table No.1, 2004-01-07
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With a balance of +9 the session is terminated. In 42 spins Red loses 23 times and wins only 19 times. However the result is quite impressive. The cautiuos player could have reduced the last bet of 3 units to 2 units in order to achieve the target gain of 8 units, herewith protecting his bankroll. Disadvantage: the smaller bankroll requirement reduces the profits.
Even with larger tensions between losses and wins the PLUSCOUP PROGRESSION still leads to remarkable profits. The bankroll requirements are much lower than for example with the Whittacker or the Labouchere progressions.
The PLUSCOUP PROGRESSION seems to be the only one of the well-known progressions, especially in the case, in which only a few plus spins are missing, for reaching a positive balance, with by far the smallest bankroll requirements.
In combination with a good betselection the PLUSCOUP PROGRESSION leads to very stable results.
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When we hit our first bet
R-W 1+are we continuing next bet
R 2 UNITS/or still 1 unit cause 1+/
Or for instance on your 36 the.spin you bet 5 un.-won,and was 1 +
aren't we restarting with 1 un after any +/and also noticed after that win of
5 un.--you continued next bet same-5 un/shouldn't be a 6 un...?????/
Would appreciate some detailed explanation regarding this,as find it very
interesting.Thanks,Victor
ITMT---read it throughouly and got the unswer.
VLS after the spin No 21 when we are + instead of going back to 1 unit,we are adding more chips?
WHY????????????????????
Oh NO....all ok Iwasn t looking at the overal profit!
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Thanks for the idea...it looks cool
It's same after spin 36......but I reckon cause the balance isn't positive
at that stage.
Also noticed 3 wins in the row on spins-29,30,31,----couldn't we reset to 1 un.
after that,and still achieve our goal.
What am I traying to say here that am retesting/already tested method with 1-up
1-down/with pluscoup,and it shows much better results so far----but must note
am reseting to 1 unit after 3 wins in the row.Any further suggestions????
Great post Victor, I like this style of playing.
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
This is a very nice progression and it doesn't need a big bankroll. Thanks for this Victor!
This is a nice progression I have to agree.
But we need a big BR.
The way that FLATINO sagested or any other modification it is a must.
Quote from: Jordan on Jun 13, 12:40 PM 2010
This is a nice progression I have to agree.
But we need a big BR.
The way that FLATINO sagested or any other modification it is a must.
In fact it doesn't need large BR,dear Jordan,as I have re-tested more then 2000
actuals,from already tested method,and find out;
--The win is larger
--Need BR is smaller
--progression is much smaller
And again depends what and how you are playing with this approach.
It suits me fine so far.
I tested this progression.
The results are AMAZING!
I did about 4 sessions of 100 spins and the profits are very high!(and the BR needed was very little)
the 5th session was a session from hell!
I was losing far more bets than the winning ones.
But look what happened!!!!(if we had a big BR we would be also winners in this hell session!!!)
IT is amazing!!!!!I was +30 and after the final win I was +60!!!!(and the down was about - 220 chips!)
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I have never seen something like it!I still can t belive what happened!!!!!
Keep in mind that this graph session is almost the most hell session that you can meet in a casino.(of course random is strainge and you can meet a worst 1,but the chances are very low)
In my opinion there are 2 ways to play this.
1)have a BR of 300 chips and don't STOP ANYWERE until we are + in overal(like in the graph)
2)have 2 -3 minibanks of lets say 40 chips each and every time 1 bank is OFF(lost) then play again with 1 chip.
and ofcourse have a winning target.
we MUST all be united to find the best solution!!!!
Pluscoup is an excellent way of playing with limited chips.
My thoughts are to apply this to FENDER1000's crossplay with the modification of waiting for 4 and playing for 4. It would be a personal decision whether you'd begin immediately or wait for 'x' trigger(s).
I think Victor's Trillioneighbors strategy may work with it as well. Victor?
We must not focus on the bet selection because in Roulette every bet is same!
we must focus on HOW to make the downs on the sessions less.
Because it is not wise to bet in real play 20-30 chips on a bet.
1 way is with the minibanks as I posted above...we must hear other ways also.
ps.Voctor this Topic is the most sirious topic I have ever seen in 3 years in any forum!
thank u
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 13, 01:59 PM 2010
I think Victor's Trillioneighbors strategy may work with it as well. Victor?
Wally, for trillioneighbors I like my very conscious positive progression strictly +1 unit on a win / decrementing to the minimum unit to break even from highest point. Not really looking for a profit, just aiming to breaking even (profit is a bonus).
Cheers.
Quote from: Jordan on Jun 13, 02:02 PM 2010
Victor this Topic is the most serious topic I have ever seen in 3 years in any forum!
thank you
Remember dear Jordan, this has been brought to light before and the credit belongs to win-maxx.
This is posted here in the hopes that some may make use of this progression for their own good.
You never know, maybe this is the missing piece for someone's final strategy!
Truly hope so.
Kind regards.
the root of this progression is the strategy
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 13, 01:59 PM 2010
Pluscoup is an excellent way of playing with limited chips.
My thoughts are to apply this to FENDER1000's crossplay with the modification of waiting for 4 and playing for 4. It would be a personal decision whether you'd begin immediately or wait for 'x' trigger(s).
I think Victor's Trillioneighbors strategy may work with it as well. Victor?
This kind of progression wouldn't be suitable for any waitingxxxx then bet
methods-----its most suitable for continous bets,when A-versus B,with jumping small sessions.
i agree!
Victor,
I'm just going to mention a system that uses this pluscoup progression in what I think is a very good application. I don't mean to hi-jack your post.
Hermes, I know for sure, and probably others are aware of a system called "Trioplay". Rather than my trying to explain this system, which is a little involved, although once you understand it, it's very easy to play, I'll let the author of the system explain it:
FULL TRIO PLAY.pdf (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=3)
I have played this system extensively. It is one of my favorites although not the Holy Grail as the author implies, but close.
Please feel free to ask any questions and I'll (and I'm sure Victor, Hermes and others can help) answer them to the best of my (our) knowledge.
Regards, George
Hello dear George,
Many thanks for mentioning this at proper thread.
Don't worry. My threads are always open for productive discussion and open to contribution.
Thank you very much!
Victor
You will note that the author says not to try to adapt this method of play to any other bet, i.e. dozens, streets, corners etc..., but if it'll work on e.c.s it should also work on any bet.
I know that this is another thread topic, but I'd like some help figuring out how to adapt this to 2:1 bets.
George
Pluscoup is very interesting progression but needs good bet selection. Thought it could help me in EC bets but i find it crash sooner or later. Long series of L's on higher levels of progression kill it. Adding +1 unit on later stages is not enough to recoup - it needs longer and longer series of W's.
Playing with small bankroll is one way to go, or maybe playing with huge bankroll and second version of pluscoup where one adjusts bet size depending on W/L relations or percentage of bankroll one is losing (which is harder to calculate).
Betting on more than 18 numbers produce longer winning series, so maybe addapting it for 2 doz/col bets or 4-5 double streets?
In my humble opinion its very adaptable on any EC bets /outside-inside/without much deviation,But which bet-of many-to decide on.
Any ideas gents????
My choice of the suitable bet for a pluscoup--
BETTING WITH DOMINANT E/C IN LAST 7 SPINS.
Any other suggestions????
EC systems with mild progressions or even better, with flat betting are the bets with least risk. Player has good control over his bankroll. So i guess then changing pluscoup to suit non EC bets won't give some special advantage. I agree it would be better idea to find good bet selection for pluscoup among EC bets. Not easy job. . .
F LAT INO thank you for sharing idea. I haven't tracked dominant EC in short cycles, only on larger scale to see if the one which is behind will take lead at some point but that didnââ,¬â,,¢t show to be profitable.
Is color dominant if relation is 4:3 (RRRRBBB) or it is better to be 5:2 or 6:1?
I guess 3 spins is too short for determing dominance, but what about 5 spins or 9? Are 7 spins best in terms of accuracy/waiting time?
If you can develop a strategy that can give you a good supply of wins consecutively instead of in a more spread out fashion, that is where this type of progression can work some magic.
The progression itself can be played in different ways. I don't think it's necessary to bet every spin with it. You could use some kind of LW registry to go with it.
Personally, I would always just set a win target of 1 unit and then start over. It is always about minimizing your exposure to the house as best as you can.
I would be careful about trying to adapt it to include more numbers. I think 2 dozens/24 numbers is about as far as you want to be going with it. Any more than that and a losing run will eat away at a lot of the profits unless you have a big bankroll and then you are just an accident waiting to happen.
Quote from: Paja on Jun 20, 06:48 PM 2010
EC systems with mild progressions or even better, with flat betting are the bets with least risk. Player has good control over his bankroll. So I guess then changing pluscoup to suit non EC bets won't give some special advantage. I agree it would be better idea to find good bet selection for pluscoup among EC bets. Not easy job. . .
F LAT INO thank you for sharing idea. I haven't tracked dominant EC in short cycles, only on larger scale to see if the one which is behind will take lead at some point but that didnââ,¬â,,¢t show to be profitable.
Is color dominant if relation is 4:3 (RRRRBBB) or it is better to be 5:2 or 6:1?
I guess 3 spins is too short for determing dominance, but what about 5 spins or 9? Are 7 spins best in terms of accuracy/waiting time?
Have tested 6000 spins with 3,5,7-dominants/any dominance/and it seems 7 shows best results.Also as Sherminator suggested,creating a trigger bet/not betting
every spin/as for instance;punting only on trends after 2 of the same in the row;
B
B-----next spin bet on black--following the last and DBL--
R-lost and wait for next opportunity.
Tested pluscoup on dominant color. If color was dominant in 7 spins, bet that it will stay dominant in next 7.
+58 in 204 spins, highest bet size was 12 units
+60 in 271 spins, highest bet size was 13 units
-601 units in 141 spins, never were in profit, max bet size 53 units, stopped session cause it was pointless.
All real spins from Wiesbaden.
Looks like progression should be restarted if it reaches certain amount, let say 5 units.
I agree that betting each spin is not good idea. Good bet selection relies on knowing when not to bet and when to bet opposite.
We must NOT bet on the dominand EC...we need to bet on the balance to come!
eg try bet the colour that has left behind 7 times in 10.
8-10 times the balance will come...2 of 10 will not come...that why as U told we must have a stop loss.to avoid these bad sequences
Quote from: Jordan link=topic=260. msg2134#msg2134 date=1277284351
We must NOT bet on the dominand EC. . . we need to bet on the balance to come!
eg try bet the colour that has left behind 7 times in 10.
8-10 times the balance will come. . . 2 of 10 will not come. . . that why as you told we must have a stop-loss. to avoid these bad sequences
For me it's better to go with the wheel, not against it. What if, for an hour before you came to casino red was dominant and then wheel starts to throw black in order to restore balance on the next hour?
It would be better to turn lost 7 spins sets into winning ones by not betting all 7 spins.
Let's say we have RRRRBBB, where red is dominant.
We bet that in the next set of 7 spins red will stay dominant.
Next set is BRRBBBR which would be loss in case we bet all 7 spins.
If we bet only until we have +1 advantage (first 3 spins - where red is dominant BRR ) we win a losing set.
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It would be better to turn lost 7 spins sets into winning ones by not betting all 7 spins.
Let's say we have RRRRBBB, where red is dominant.
We bet that in the next set of 7 spins red will stay dominant.
Next set is BRRBBBR which would be loss in case we bet all 7 spins.
I think you doing it wrong,-----after each spin you should bet dominants.
How can you go WITH the wheel...? ;)
Quote from: Jordan on Jun 23, 08:05 AM 2010
How can you go WITH the wheel...? ;)
You got to get friendly with it,then it will
look after you--lol
Quote from: F_LAT_INO link=topic=260. msg2136#msg2136 date=1277288320
I think you doing it wrong,-----after each spin you should bet dominants.
Yes i was doing it wrong. If i understand, rules are: don't need to wait, you bet on each spin by looking past 7 spins and bet on dominant color. Disregard zero.
Results are on same numbers (give or take few spins in order to finish progression) :
+59, +58, +52 (one that lost on wrong rules)
Than i had one more wining session +54. Total number of spins in 4 sessions 952.
Fifth session was loser:
-1848 in 254 spins, progression went to 77 units. . .
Either way a loser. Limiting progression or using stop loss could make it better but somehow i doubt.
I think i will stick to flat betting.
Quote from: Jordan on Jun 23, 08:05 AM 2010
How can you go WITH the wheel. . . ? ;)
Be aware of what wheel is doing at a time. Sometimes long trends are dominating, sometimes terrible two's, sometimes zig-zag (RBRBRBRB). Better to go with a flow then to wait for pattern which is good for your system.
I guess there can be found so called mechanical system which has rules/triggers that can point to what's wheel doing at the moment and show when is the right time to bet.
I wish I had one of those. . . :(
Quoterules/triggers that can point to what's wheel doing at the moment
Only problem there is, you only know when it's actually happening, what you don't know is when it will stop.
TrioPlay Tweak Time:
I have played this system numerous times and can tell you that it is still a little too risky for most of us.
There are lots of winning sessions, but also too many losing sessions.
The original system was built on Oscar's Grind or Pluscoup. Please follow the link to TrioPlay in the download section if you're not familiar with how to play.
My tweak is to play exactly as described in Full Trioplay except. We must win 2 times before we increase our bet by 1 unit.
In the original version, we increase our bet by 1 unit after each win.
In the original version, we go into Advance play 1 when we reach a difference of 5 between bet size and number of bets lost.
In this tweak we go to Advance play 1 when we reach a difference of 10.
In Advance play 1, original way, we increase by 2 units after each win. With this tweak we must win 2 times to advance by 2 units.
In the original, we go into advance play 2 when our losses reach 12 (in one version it was 9). In Advance play 2 we increase our bet by 3 units after each win.
In this tweak we go into Advance play 2 after a difference of 15 between number of units bet and number of lost bets. Also we don't increase by 3 until we win 2 bets instead of just 1.
These 2 bets don't have to be in a row. They can and usually do have 1 or more losses between them.
Once we reach 0 or +1 or greater we reset to 1 unit and start over.
Also, once our number of units bet reaches the number of hands lost, we reset to 1 unit and start over. Any units not recovered represent a loss.
These safety nets over Oscar's Grind are what make Trioplay a viable MM plan. They keep us from reaching our loss target so often, rather we take a few small losses instead of large losses.
Believe me when I say that this is an excellent MM plan and when coupled with an excellent bet selection method results in one of the best roulette systems you can play.
Cheers,
George