Alright, its done.
No systems for me anymore, Steve you were right.
Its only AP for me now.
Going only for 10 % of my BR.
That's it! :thumbsup:
Anyone got some tips and tricks?
shall I use progression?
Quote from: Robbert on May 29, 04:34 AM 2019
Anyone got some tips and tricks?
shall I use progression?
Concentrate on getting an advantage first.
Progressions only alter win-loss patterns and in doing so can mask if you have an edge in the first place.
What do you want to play: doublestreets,
dozens/columns, singles, splits, even-chances, sectors?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 29, 04:16 PM 2019
What do you want to play: doublestreets,
dozens/columns, singles, splits, even-chances, sectors?
He doesnt want to play systems. So lets suggest systems?
No. Focus on the cause of the winning number. Any bets must be based on sectors.
Steve I'm just trying to move the thread along.
Robbert, sure you can play with sectors-whatever
you choose has to be playable in a B&M casino.
(an easy to understand procedure and if possible without pen and paper)
I do not know of any casino that allows bets after ball release.
You will imo need to create a team to help you with this challenge.
The vast majority of real casinos allow late bets. Online casinos are different, probably because of what my players did to some of them.
I suggest start with basic VB. Here's an example:
Sorry about the poor video quality. They were done a long time ago.
What about a bankroll requirement?
There is no real bankroll requirement. You can see how long it takes to collect data. So you need to make small bets just to stay at the table.
Then when you get to the point of betting, even 1 unit has an edge. Like with the house edge, you can RANDOMLY bet 1 unit and the chances are you'll lose. With an edge in your favor, the chances are you'll profit. It doesn't work exactly like that (because you need to think longer term), but that's a simplistic explanation.
Simply the more you play, the greater your chance of profiting. This is the opposite of a losing system, that just attempts to survive a session, or requires you to "quit while you're ahead".
Let me see. As I remember Steve, your players
are given a $2000 bank and divide the profit by half.
Five dollar units per number. $500 goal for the session.
You like 15 sector numbers in play per spin, right?
I dont give bankroll anymore. Free money makes people more reckless.
$2000 is ample bankroll in most cases.
You dont need 15 numbers. Even 1 or 2 numbers is an edge. Fewer numbers just means larger variance, which means losing streaks are longer. You cant avoid losing streaks. They are inevitable from time to time. It doesnt mean you wont make it back eventually. But time is money, so you want to be out of the casino asap. That's why I suggest betting more numbers is better, but for a shorter amount of time.
I would love to put together the Grail here :)
Firefox likes nine sector numbers VB.
I remember Steve mentioning the last
decision number is important some time ago.
*Each spin is an independent event
Let me see. Steve originally said you need 300 outcomes to find the
bias on the wheel. More recently he says 50 spins for a noticeable bias.
*There is still something missing that ties it all together.
1. A sector is more like a group of numbers. Betting fewer numbers usually gives you a higher EDGE, but lower "profit per hour". And profit per hour is more important than edge.
2. Yes each spin is independent. But past spins still hold clues, just not in the way most players think (like RBRBRB).
3. About 300 spins recommended for one particular approach. It does not normally include bias, but it can. In a separate matter, yes you can find likely bias in 300 spins but it would involve something like half-wheel sectors, large sector bias, and/or visual/sound confirmation.
It has all been said before, many times. If you go through my posts you'll see the same thing repeated many times, because the truth doesnt change, and it needs to be repeated for people to learn - especially with new members.
Yes each spin is independent. But past spins still hold
clues, just not in the way most players think-Steve
That's the missing piece.
"The wheel has one great memory"
every 37 spin results in ...24 hits = 14 singles + 10 doubles
I have found this to be true
Is this part of the "clues" Steve is talking about?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 30, 01:43 AM 2019"The wheel has one great memory"
every 37 spin results in ...24 hits = 14 singles + 10 doubles
No, that is not memory. It is basic probability.
There is no memory in roulette. However, there are common physical conditions that make spins predictable to some degree. There's a big difference.
Alright. What about clockwise vs counterclockwise
spins. Should they be separate in tracking?
Hi -
Sorry for the stupid question, where can I get some more info on the VB? Like a course?
I know lots, but cannot seem to win constantly, so want to learn more.
Well im playing dealer signature as for now.
Works like a charm.
Thanks Robert. Are you able to explain more? do you play CW and CCW, or every spin?
Quote from: snafu3six on May 30, 04:18 AM 2019
Hi -
Sorry for the stupid question, where can I get some more info on the VB? Like a course?
I know lots, but cannot seem to win constantly, so want to learn more.
Do you know the wheel backwards and sideways in your head?
For example, if I said what number is opposite 4 (18 pockets) or going round the wheel in groups of 12 pockets what are the 2 numbers at 1/3 points from 4, or what are the neighbours of 4. Could you give the answers instantly. And be able to do that and more for every number on the wheel.
Then make sure you can count up to 6 seconds to within an accuracy of about 0.1/.2/0.25 seconds. Metronome and stopwatch.
Even if you can do all that, you wont be able to win all the time depending on method. You need the right wheel and the right conditions.
Quote from: Firefox on May 30, 12:22 PM 2019
Do you know the wheel backwards and sideways in your head?
For example, if I said what number is opposite 4 (18 pockets) or going round the wheel in groups of 12 pockets what are the 2 numbers at 1/3 points from 4, or what are the neighbours of 4. Could you give the answers instantly. And be able to do that and more for every number on the wheel.
Then make sure you can count up to 6 seconds to within an accuracy of about 0.1/.2/0.25 seconds. Metronome and stopwatch.
Even if you can do all that, you wont be able to win all the time depending on method. You need the right wheel and the right conditions.
Hi Firefox, that is what I read... a lot - "right wheel and conditions" but what does it means. Yes, I know the wheel, i have been playing roulette for multiple years.
It depends what method you are using to predict, but take Steve's example, traditional VB, you need a wheel with a knee point in the deceleration curve. Not all wheels have that. Also a pronounced drop zone (tilted wheel or track), where one diamond is hit a lot more than others. Also the right wheel speeds. Around 3 to 5 is OK usually. And a dealer who does nice long steady spins (no back spin or side spin to mess up the deceleration norms. And calling nmb late enough and a good view of the wheel. Table not to busy or too quiet when they do short spins and more attention on you. You need a couple of Chinese gents plastering the layout with bets throughout the spin ideally. Pit boss and dealer who are not too interested in you helps... so lots of things really!
Thanks Firefox for the explanation, yes, i have been reading re the 3-4 speed, heard it is the best.
Now, could you please be so kind and let me know if it is possible to play VB online? And i am only talking online land wheels? Such as Dragonara, Hipodrome, Aviator, etc.
It should be noted that Laurance Scott played VB using cross over patterns which develop easier with 2-3 second rotor so it shows there are really very many different approaches. He also had a sound method of playing traditional knee point VB. But hr was playing on higher profile frets and 2-3 second rotor with low profile frets lead to big scatters which can be difficult to predict. Also the faster the rotor, the better you have to be due to reading and parallax error at speed.
Playing VB online is very limited because casinos are aware of computer users which is a more accurate form of VB. They therefore call no more bets very early or even before the spin. They also disrupt your view of the wheel during the betting period.
There isnt a method or approach that works for ALL wheels and conditions. You need to apply the correct approach for the specific wheel and conditions.
It isnt ideal, but not much in life is. Going to work every day is not ideal either.
There isnt a method or approach that works for ALL wheels and conditions.-Steve H.
The method exists. It's just a matter of finding it. ;)
Yes it probably does exist. It is just quite unlikely to be nonsense thats already throughly shown to fail, such as repeaters, law of a third, hot numbers etc.
I am doing similar things with my cross reference system.
I can share the concept with you, but you need to code it ... trying to perform the simulations in head is too difficult
Also, according to me, the wheel is not always beatable ... even the most advanced devices such computers or else can’t beat the game when the wheel is chaotic...
thanks guys. i will try to learn more on VB. if you have some more training, explanations, anything useful, please share.
One question, why would VB not work on auto roulette? What i have been reading, it fits all the factors.... or speed roulette (auto), i have checked today, and we have 5-7 seconds after the ball has spun. Thanks again
Quote from: Robbert on May 30, 04:27 AM 2019
Well im playing dealer signature as for now.
Works like a charm.
Thats all i've been doing lately....Works great . I play 10 to 15 numbers max using the racetrack. Just flatbetting unless there's a clear advantage (which happens on busy tables) i might turn it up a noch. :thumbsup:
What?? Youre becoming an AP??
Welcome.. to the dark side.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 03, 03:58 AM 2019
Thats all i've been doing lately....Works great . I play 10 to 15 numbers max using the racetrack. Just flatbetting unless there's a clear advantage (which happens on busy tables) i might turn it up a noch. :thumbsup:
Are these 10-15 numbers situated next to each other or are spread over at least two spots on the wheel ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 03, 04:48 AM 2019
Are these 10-15 numbers situated next to each other or are spread over at least two spots on the wheel ?
Depends on the dealer . But mostly next to each other ( some might overlap coz i use the racetrack AFTER ball release and i might placed to fast).
Overlapping bets dont at all matter in the long term. It's just annoying when one of the smaller bets win.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 07:02 PM 2019
Overlapping bets dont at all matter in the long term. It's just annoying when one of the smaller bets win.
Thats for sure ;D