I think there will be an anomaly with the wheel layout after recording 37 spins i have many similarities for example the number or numbers to hit 3 times will likely have at least one of its neighbours hit and also 4 numbers have usually hit side by side.
Does anyone play like this with layout patterns
Plenty of people do, but this kind of pattern is random and meaningless after 37 spins. You need 1000 and preferably more.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 10, 10:54 AM 2019
I think there will be an anomaly with the wheel layout after recording 37 spins i have many similarities for example the number or numbers to hit 3 times will likely have at least one of its neighbours hit and also 4 numbers have usually hit side by side.
Does anyone play like this with layout patterns
thats excactly what started me on the vaddis bet and this was involved ..firefox is right it has to be kept in the cycle..beyond is no good on this
What is vaddis method
Im thinking to wait until 3 have hit side by side then flank them or something else like if one number triples then flank it
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 11, 06:11 AM 2019
What is vaddis method
Im thinking to wait until 3 have hit side by side then flank them or something else like if one number triples then flank it
link:://:.money-maker-machine.com/forum/general-discussion/wish-i-could-openly-share-roulette-grail/?PHPSESSID=1pr3cfpv29n5hq0uo5iijfics6
I dont believe. He gave virtually nothing except repeats and 6 to 10 numbers... he woulda just disappeared and played...to u believe this riddle?
Im thinming 37 spins
Play for first r3
And incorporate the wheel layout to predict the 3rd.... r3 happens 99.99999 % by spin 47.... i have some good ideas so far...
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 10, 04:29 PM 2019
thats excactly what started me on the vaddis bet and this was involved ..firefox is right it has to be kept in the cycle..beyond is no good on this
I was trying to say 37 spins are not statistically significant.
This is because the standard deviation is proportional to the square root of the number of spins.
Take 10 spins. The SD is K x 3.16
Take 100 spins. The SD is K x 10
The number of spins went up ten times but the SD went up only 3 times (approx).
Thus as the number of trials gets larger, the standard deviation in proportion to those trials gets smaller.
This is a very important result.
However, basically it means you are wasting your time looking at 37 spins. But deviations from randomness are much easier to identify over a larger number of spins. And also the figures are more likely to be a reflection of reality.
Ever wondered why opinion polls have at least one or two thousand people in the sample? This is why.
Same with number of roulette spins.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 11, 11:01 AM 2019I dont believe. He gave virtually nothing except repeats and 6 to 10 numbers... he woulda just disappeared and played...to u believe this riddle?
Yes don't be so gullible. Focus on the core of what he said regarding repeaters. It's fallacy. It's using past spins in a way that has no connection to the future spins. The law of a third is basic probability. Saying it HAS to happen is as misguided as saying all numbers HAVE to spin... eventually. Great, but it changes nothing.
Vaddi was just another anonymous person on the internet speaking shit, and chances are they had or even still have other usernames.
What does it take to fool gullible people? Just give wishy washy clues and claim it's the holy grail. The gullible people don't understand basic probability and why the claims are just shit.
Anastasius, I will take one more stab at the Vaddi riddle.
I think it is nine numbers that resemble a windmill.
Four windmills of three sector numbers.
"How do you play all the numbers on the wheel?"
Play each windmill once per cycle.
"Windmill" Sectors like this: (European Wheel)
A: 32, 15, 19 36,11,30 14,31,9
B: 4,21,2 8,23,10 22,18,29
C: 25,17,34 5,24,16 7,28,12
D: 6,27,13 33,1,20 35,3,26
Play once in any order (a cycle)
proofreader could u please test this with only real spins.
start tracking numbers,
then if a number triples it game over and start again ( u are looking for the double ups)
anytime you are tracking and say you have 4 double ups , you are looking for 2 that are side by side on wheel layout)
you then only flat bet these 2 numbers, if anymore double ups occur and become neighbours of these you add them to ( usually a max of 4 neighbours in rare events) then continue flat bet until triple up,,,, if another number occurs then just re track.
also if any of your other double ups make a pair side by side u bet them also.... u just dont bet the ones that are single..... yeh or no?
Quote from: Firefox on Jun 11, 11:39 PM 2019
I was trying to say 37 spins are not statistically significant.
This is because the standard deviation is proportional to the square root of the number of spins.
Take 10 spins. The SD is K x 3.16
Take 100 spins. The SD is K x 10
The number of spins went up ten times but the SD went up only 3 times (approx).
Thus as the number of trials gets larger, the standard deviation in proportion to those trials gets smaller.
This is a very important result.
However, basically it means you are wasting your time looking at 37 spins. But deviations from randomness are much easier to identify over a larger number of spins. And also the figures are more likely to be a reflection of reality.
Ever wondered why opinion polls have at least one or two thousand people in the sample? This is why.
Same with number of roulette spins.
😎👍 very good reply as always
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Quote from: Steve on Jun 12, 12:00 AM 2019
Yes don't be so gullible. Focus on the core of what he said regarding repeaters. It's fallacy. It's using past spins in a way that has no connection to the future spins. The law of a third is basic probability. Saying it HAS to happen is as misguided as saying all numbers HAVE to spin... eventually. Great, but it changes nothing.
Vaddi was just another anonymous person on the internet speaking shit, and chances are they had or even still have other usernames.
What does it take to fool gullible people? Just give wishy washy clues and claim it's the holy grail. The gullible people don't understand basic probability and why the claims are just shit.
It’s not law if the third its the mechanics of roulette..
Waiting for all numbers to appear is that mechanics in action playing taking the average third of everything every cycle unhits unique repeats until those numbers appear..
And all other locations in there own cycles
It’s not magical it’s present for all to see
That’s not a farcical statement or one to toss aside with basic anything goes or happens every cycle
The thing is the odds and you can’t predict what third is going to hit in that next cycle ..
Or so you seem to think..
I’m not stuck in turbo mode before you start ranting
I’m stuck in 6th sense mode
Numbers themselves is just one partition of the overall cycles and is expensive to do
this is probably the best subject on here about law of the third
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4960.0
QuoteClues:
For the most part: every 37 spin results in ...
24 hits = 14 singles + 10 doubles
Its not law of a third?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 12, 07:17 AM 2019
Its not law of a third?
Replying to this
The law of a third is basic probability. Saying it HAS to happen is as misguided as saying all numbers HAVE to spin... eventually.
I feel like a Martian talking to a peanut
Misguided 😂
Why dont you explain it to me, oh wise one.
Please.
6th
Plenty of KFC for the General.
Vaddi wins
Oh yeah on MPR testing 13 there at 13;44 PM
notto you want to try that tracker on a 37 spin cycle rolling basis...import a few 1000 spins...it will obviously go up and down and lose a 1000plus units but recovers..wins in waves loses in waves...up and down plenty of time and opportunities to leave with profit if you have the balls of steel..
This is Priyanka’s tester/tracker. It gives the checkpoints for groups of 10 spins.
Now this tester has been available for 3 years. Before she gave it; I did the calcs/recording manually on the countback sheet; where you can see the information of the groups of 10 spins.
Over time and I mean time; you get to see how non-hits land; their average to hit or perhaps I should say the TROT; that expert General; say’s he can’t see, yeah so he must be thick! For the General it’s in blue.
Basically the non-hits or better to show is where the repeats start showing! For the groups of 10 spins; you usually get repeats of 1-3-5-7 and 30 for 60 spins.
These spins are Herbie’s from some time ago. 58 spin in total.
Cut it short; you get on average 15 non-hits from the remaining non-hits after spin10. So for Herby; 10+15=25; so by spin40 you could have 25 of the starting 37 land/hit whatever you wants to call it. Here you actually got 18; so +3 on the average 15.
At spin 58 you are betting 4 of the starting 37 so 33 have hit. A fast game; for non-hits!
Here is Ayk’s tester; just as good.
notohammer. does that work longterm tho . and what is the method... its with repeaters r2 and r3?
also i see lots of times double line up as neighbours... so after 2 ur could bet any single neighbour to complete 3 in a row
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 13, 12:32 AM 2019notohammer. does that work longterm tho
Of course not. Random bets can win short-term even without progression. But with progression, you'll almost always win short term, then eventually tank.
Inexperienced players test a new system, and ones that win by chance are believed to be "winning systems". That is until they lose too.
Steve, what isn't a random bet?
A bet that achieves accuracy better than random, beyond normal variance, with statistical relevance, and legitimate "cause and effect".
Can someone test most amount of spins before 2 numbers hit side by side on wheel?
Or
Ur gonna get first double up by spin 24 max or maybe bit longer... so just wait until singles form a quad or line then if u get 24 uniques rarely u still have a 4/24 chance
Or
4 neighbours ..
There was a certain member on here who shall not be named noticed this..a certain guaranteed point that a pair would form table side or wheel side to hit within a certain amount of spins..
6th
Is it max spin of 20 to get a double; be a lot of non-hits landed
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 13, 03:58 PM 2019
6th
Is it max spin of 20 to get a double; be a lot of non-hits landed
Hi notto can’t remember without going back a hell of a lot of pms but it definitely cannot be progressed on ..average is around 12 spins on normal layout this I know myself which is made up from before and after the total of spins ..I can’t code so that’s my average
Does it happen?
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 13, 07:32 AM 2019
Can someone test most amount of spins before 2 numbers hit side by side on wheel?
Most in what amount of spins? To know the average you need lots of sets. But you can calculate that already with basic math. And it wouldn't help anyway.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 13, 03:26 PM 2019.a certain guaranteed point that a pair would form table side or wheel side to hit within a certain amount of spins..
Rubbish. Nothing is guaranteed. They would be looking only at their sample, forgetting the basic math, and assumimg only what they see is absolute reality.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 13, 07:32 AM 2019
Can someone test most amount of spins before 2 numbers hit side by side on wheel?
Most amount of spins? ... infinity.
The red numbers could keep on hitting forever and no numbers side by side would ever hit.
If you want to stick to the observed universe, I believe there was a run of 27 reds once... or was it 30?
However, non of this is any use at all in improving your prediction of the next number!
Notto what is the graph u posted
Also i mean not side by side but if u bet just the neighbours of each hit
So if 2 red hit next to eachother this would constitute one neighbour..
I tested got up to 15 numbers bet so far before hit.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 14, 12:39 AM 2019
Notto what is the graph u posted
Also i mean not side by side but if u bet just the neighbours of each hit
So if 2 red hit next to eachother this would constitute one neighbour..
I tested got up to 15 numbers bet so far before hit.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 14, 12:39 AM 2019
Notto what is the graph u posted
Also i mean not side by side but if u bet just the neighbours of each hit
So if 2 red hit next to eachother this would constitute one neighbour..
I tested got up to 15 numbers bet so far before hit.
Answer is still infinity.
But you are probably in the right ball park, practically speaking that there remains a very small chance a sector remains unhit 15-20 spins.
However, there is zero advantage on bet selection from this.
This method will lose money long term.
In 36 spins the average is 12 singles and 12 repeats.... so...what if we just play up to 6 repeats.... to account for variance
In 37 spins, number 12 averages 1 hit. Why not just bet on the average... and bet on 0 to account for variance?
You havent been listening.
Are you actually serious about winning, or is it just a hobby?