I don't think I have ever seen the forum this quite before. So many people just watching and not contributing.
Have the sytem players run out of ideas? or has someone discovered the holy grail by making 1 + 1 = 3?
Or has everyone now realised the only way to beat roulette is by precognition and VB? is this now the forum consensus?
I think the old forum members realised that the forum is zero help to beat the game + they already purchased a winning "system" , playing Kimo Li's way or Steves Computer.So this forum is for them irrelevant.
we will see what there is to see ... 8)
1. It goes through phases of few or lots of posts. The traffic is unchanged.
2. The less bullshit there is, and the more truth there is, the less activity there is because people get discouraged by learning fairies aren't real.
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 18, 04:03 PM 2020...has everyone now realised the only way to beat roulette is by precognition and VB?
Shaddup!
Quote from: Steve on Feb 18, 11:00 PM 2020The less bullshit there is, and the more truth there is, the less activity there is because people get discouraged by learning fairies aren't real.
Absolutely right !
Peoples are simply tired to lost with systems which not gave benefit, but they are still not ready to learn what can give them benefit.
They understand that for that need to have some mathematical education, some other abilities and that they can get only after a long job. But all comes to roulette with the hope that here are money rains :) and now they understood, that no money for free - need work...:) who will like that :) ?
why lose while working when you can win while having fun ?
Quote from: plolp on Feb 19, 05:18 AM 2020why lose while working when you can win while having fun ?
If you can win while having fun - we here will not see you :)
It's the psychology of gamblers to look for 'easy money'.
Fact is, 'easy money' is the hardest money to get.
I still use my favourite even chance system at the casino from time to time as a spot play type wager, and funnily enough, it's called 'EC money'.
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 19, 06:07 AM 2020
Fact is, 'easy money' is the hardest money to get.
I still use my favourite even chance system at the casino from time to time as a spot play type wager, and funnily enough, it's called 'EC money'.
Do you make some money with it? Or is it a just for fun system?
There have always been quiet days on the forum. But it's still the most active one, compared to once great forums such as vls and betselection.
some people simply don't have time to contribute
some people simply don't have anything to add to the discussions
some people are afraid to post, because it's impossible to start any discussion these days that won't turn into a fight
some people are only interested in reading new posts
some people are going back and read old topics on a regular basis
some people don't want to share what they are working on
some people say they won't post any more, but are keep returning to taunt all the system junkies
Some folks
Love to see red
Some folks
Never talk about it
Some folks
Crave a blue lady
Some folks
Know and still they doubt it...
Some folks
Love to feel pain
Some folks
Wake up every morning
Some folks
Live for no reason
Some folks
Die without a warning
Some folks
Are probably high
Hey Boo Boo, higher than the average bear.
It was a smart move on Steve's part to create this forum. Just looked at the number of viewers - 3688, and every one a potential buyer of one of his AP systems or a computer. And the icing on the cake is that the members themselves show that systems don't work. It's great free advertising. ;D
I think Steve has right
In the past the forum was too loud but is fruitless perhaps because we had members who were trolling most of the time
Quote from: Joe on Feb 19, 08:24 AM 2020It's great free advertising
Forum is not for free - it cost money and time....
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Feb 19, 08:53 AM 2020
Forum is not for free - it cost money and time....
Peanuts !
Steve is a smart boy, he pays peanuts for the hosting of the forum but earns thousands from selling his computers to members here
He even enabled advertisements ads ! So his investment is win win
Quote from: Joe on Feb 19, 08:24 AM 2020
And the icing on the cake is that the members themselves show that systems don't work. It's great free advertising. ;D
Joe thats not how i see it. Yes its advertising. But not from teaching people their system loses. Only from people searching for systems, then finding posts on the forum. For every posting member, there are thousands of visitors who don't post.
From a 'sales' perspective, actually it would be best if i shut up and let people post as much dribble about losing systems as they want. It would mean more traffic and sales.
But next to plain truth, i dont give a rats ass about sales. Id rather tell people fairies aren't real and upset them, and have fewer posts, traffic and sales,.. than tell them tinkerbel is real.
Also I earn much more from other sources, which is why im selling the roulette sales part of my company. People with less income assume everyone is motivated by money. The company financials are public for the part im selling, between $400k-$500k / year after expenses.
Not specifically anyone, it annoys me when people think my focus is sales and money. Maybe it shouldnt but it does, because its not what I am, and a large part of my real work is to reduce everyones dependence on and slavery to money. Its well beyond a ball and wheel.
I do a lot more than roulette. When it comes to my roulette technology, if people don't like the idea of it, i dont give a rats ass. I just tell the truth and people decide for themselves.
Even if i sold nothing related to roulette, id still have the forum, because i still like roulette on a personal level. Ive worked in related technology for over 20 years. Is it really that hard to understand not everyone's primary focus is money?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Feb 19, 08:53 AM 2020Forum is not for free - it cost money and time....
Yes he has to pay server costs and maintain it etc but my point was that he doesn't have to write posts trying to prove that systems don't work.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 19, 09:19 AM 2020Yes he has to pay server costs and maintain it etc but my point was that he doesn't have to write posts trying to prove that systems don't work.
Forums are just one way to get content and traffic. There are hundreds of thousands of forums. Facebook does the same, just on a bigger scale.
Forum hosting is virtually nothing. I maintain various servers with much heavier loads, and those are $150-$350/month. But this forum could literally run on a $1/month host.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 19, 09:19 AM 2020Is it really that hard to understand not everyone's primary focus is money?
To most people it's really hard to understand, because to most people nearly everything in life is a question of money. Be it a product they want to buy, entertainment, traveling, health, relationship.
I understand that. In my late teens i had no money, and for the next decade the pusuit of money consumed me like it does most people. And when i achieved financial goals i understood i wasted my time, and what i really wanted. Im not saying money is meaningless. Its food, gas etc. But those things require money because of our choices, lifestyles, and missing technology.
When i finished school, i studies physics at RMIT because i wanted to develop free energy technology. Because solving that problem would make a huge difference, and reduce dependence on money for everyone. Roulette was only to fund that research. 20 years later i well understand technology is not the problem. We already have solar. The problem is us. Collectively we are stupid and sleeping slaves.
Money is mostly a middleman, by design, to make us slaves. Theres a lot to the story. Should a roof and walls really put people in debt most of their lives, or is that by design too? It's all by design.
Steve....money is everything and i am sorry to say that.We are living in a capitalistic society and every materialiastic things or services cost money.Simply as that.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 19, 08:24 AM 2020And the icing on the cake is that the members themselves show that systems don't work.
Although Reading Randomness is not a system but rather a skill, it works. It just takes work to learn it, like all skills. I enjoy talking with Steve. He's an articulate communicator. At this forum it works great. Nobody tries to blow him off the stage and we just get to talk. Since only a few people try to learn Reading Randomness it just lays there and I get a few Nostradamus jokes for the effort. One of the great things about a forum is that you get to insult people that you would prefer hitting. So insults are free shots that end up displaying their intelligence. Now tell me that isn't fun.
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 19, 10:15 AM 2020
Steve....money is everything and i am sorry to say that. We are living in a capitalistic society and every materialiastic[sic] things or services cost money.Simply as that.
Tell it to the altruistic lawyers out there. Once you get full on socialism you can put all the lawyers in the concentration camps first.
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 19, 10:23 AM 2020
Tell it to the altruistic lawyers out there. Once you get full on socialism you can put all the lawyers in the concentration camps first.
If you dont have money you are nothing in our society.I dont say that money makes happy or the perfect life,but it provides a carefree life.
Quote from: Clf7 on Feb 19, 10:27 AM 2020
If you dont have money you are nothing in our society.I dont say that money makes happy or the perfect life,but it provides a carefree life.
Is that actually true? If you are homeless in downtown San Francisco you can shit anywhere you want. And for some reason you are automatically classified as a victim. Your favorite choice of substance abuse is available and you can rob anyone you want without consequences. And if you are in the United States illegally then you get bonus rights. You are on the fast track to a free ride. You have to love the fact that government spends twice as much as they take in in taxes too. I mean that is magic money. The leaders in our country do quite well without money.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 19, 10:07 AM 2020Money is mostly a middleman, by design, to make us slaves. Theres a lot to the story. Should a roof and walls really put people in debt most of their lives, or is that by design too? It's all by design.
Steve, money has been around for thousands of years. As the saying goes, it's not money itself which is 'the root of all evil' but the love of it (or, more specifically, the love of it above everything else). What's your alternative to money? go back to a bartering system? :o
Quote from: gizmotron2 on Feb 19, 10:37 AM 2020If you are homeless in downtown San Francisco you can shit anywhere you want.
Don't watch this while you're eating. link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ld6qYJe4pRs
Quote from: Steve on Feb 19, 09:19 AM 2020
People with less income assume everyone is motivated by money.
Not specifically anyone, it annoys me when people think my focus is sales and money. Maybe it shouldnt but it does, because its not what I am, and a large part of my real work is to reduce everyones dependence on and slavery to money. Its well beyond a ball and wheel.
I do a lot more than roulette. When it comes to my roulette technology, if people don't like the idea of it, i dont give a rats ass. I just tell the truth and people decide for themselves.
Even if i sold nothing related to roulette, id still have the forum, because i still like roulette on a personal level. Ive worked in related technology for over 20 years. Is it really that hard to understand not everyone's primary focus is money?
People can only understand as far as their level of consciousness allows them to. You are far ahead of majority of population, and unfortunately for a lot of people - they will have to go through the misery to learn that at the end ,the chase for the money is a pitless hole - and that deep down what they desire is not the money itself.
People are simply slaves of their minds (this includes being a slave to money).
And if you want to dive a bit deeper into spirituality, you will also find a lot of "poor" people who self-sabotage themselves, because they have created and attached their identity to being "poor". Ironically, they would rather stay where they are at and chase money - because they have created an identity around it. Giving up that identity would be extremely scary.
I am afraid to post my hg here, so I will stay quiet for now, that is good for industry. ☕
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Feb 20, 04:33 AM 2020
I am afraid to post my hg here, so I will stay quiet for now, that is good for industry. ☕
Ye ofc you have a HG .. :xd:
Yes well you should be afraid. I've banned everyone who posted their HG. Its bad for my business. I wake up in a sweat, worrying about it sometimes.
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 18, 04:03 PM 2020
Or has everyone now realised the only way to beat roulette is by precognition and VB? is this now the forum consensus?
I'd go for this hypothesis cuz it's the one I relate to.
All systems end up at the house edge in the end. So why argue, research and study many variations if they all end up the same?
Cozy at home, arguing, researching and studying can be done on any investment/money making strategy. It is way more motivating to read on many companies, analyzing charts, fundamentals, and to get to plausible positive expectations in the future. It is a rewarding effort. As much effort in strategies that end up -2.7%, no matter what, is pointless.
AP on roulette: fundamentals. Find the proper situation to beat the house. AP on investments: fundamentals. Find the better deal to beat the market.
Quote from: precogmiles on Feb 18, 04:03 PM 2020
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Have the sytem players run out of ideas? or has someone discovered the holy grail by making 1 + 1 = 3?
Or has everyone now realised the only way to beat roulette is by precognition and VB? is this now the forum consensus?
Precog ....quite a limited point of view ....especially coming from you & what your advocating?
- because you can’t see it yet doesn’t mean that it is not there
- and one would be naive at best to expect any type of systematic HG or winning way to be posted on these forums - Yes I understand 99% of these posts are regurgitated thoughts & ideas ....& the few that aren’t are usually crucified or worse overlooked ....the workings - its not going to all be in one place (ie. one book/one forum/one idea/one ology)
Quote from: Steve on Feb 19, 10:07 AM 2020
Money is mostly a middleman, by design .... Theres a lot to the story....It's all by design.
:thumbsup:
- majority on here wont get what you shared ....or if they do understand only a small % of them will actually get to ‘know’
.... this illusion is what hinders majority from finding what they seek
....& Yes Steve - I still have a diff point of view regarding making money from this game ;)
-Best-
A long time ago 'money' grew an extra leg when those with the most realised they could use it to create debt.
Then it grew an extra penis when those with the most realised they could use it to create bonds.
And it's a matter of time until those legs, and that penis, is cut off. I'm betting it will be in our lifetime. But there's a lot of shit going to happen before then.
Indeed. It's apparent we are moving towards immense upheaval. Sometimes I feel guilty about ever fathering children. I can only hope they will get their chance to be upstanding.
The main problem as I see it is there are too many really dumb people who've got no idea about what's really happening, and people without balls.
I know on some level, Im also thick. But im sure im more aware than most.
What do you think the core problem is?
How do you think this will play out?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Feb 20, 02:47 PM 2020It is way more motivating to read on many companies, analyzing charts, fundamentals, and to get to plausible positive expectations in the future. It is a rewarding effort. As much effort in strategies that end up -2.7%, no matter what, is pointless.
I agree. There are many more and interesting ways to make money from analyzing data; sports betting and trading for one. You're right; researching roulette systems is just an exercise in proving that 1 + 1 = 2, in many different ways. Boring as hell, and more to the point, a fruitless exercise.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 19, 09:19 AM 2020From a 'sales' perspective, actually it would be best if i shut up and let people post as much dribble about losing systems as they want. It would mean more traffic and sales.
But you
do let people post as much about losing systems as they want. Usually you only speak out when someone is claiming that their system works.
QuoteBut next to plain truth, i dont give a rats ass about sales. Id rather tell people fairies aren't real and upset them, and have fewer posts, traffic and sales,.. than tell them tinkerbel is real.
Then why do you have a large Ad on the forum directing viewers to your site? I don't know why you're trying to make out you're not interested in sales because there's nothing wrong with that. You have a business and want to make a success of it, well d'uh. Actions speak louder than words.
QuoteAlso I earn much more from other sources, which is why im selling the roulette sales part of my company.
Are you going to keep the forum?
Quoteit annoys me when people think my focus is sales and money. Maybe it shouldnt but it does, because its not what I am, and a large part of my real work is to reduce everyones dependence on and slavery to money. Its well beyond a ball and wheel.
I didn't say your primary focus is on sales and money, just that it was a smart move to open this forum because it nicely complements your business. Can't you take a compliment? ;D
Quote from: Joe on Feb 21, 06:15 AM 2020But you do let people post as much about losing systems as they want. Usually you only speak out when someone is claiming that their system works.
Do you think i have time to address every bad system?
I usually only address the self professed gurus, who mislead many people. Ive explained it many times before.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 21, 06:15 AM 2020Then why do you have a large Ad on the forum directing viewers to your site? I don't know why you're trying to make out you're not interested in sales because there's nothing wrong with that. You have a business and want to make a success of it, well d'uh. Actions speak louder than words.
I didnt say i didnt care. I said next to the truth, i dont care. I.e. it would be more profitable for me not to put people off from contributing, because it would mean a busier forum, more traffic, and more sales. Id rather tell the truth and make less money, even if i wasnt financially comfortable.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 21, 06:15 AM 2020Are you going to keep the forum?
I aim to. It depends whats negotiated.
Quote from: Joe on Feb 21, 06:15 AM 2020
I didn't say your primary focus is on sales and money, just that it was a smart move to open this forum because it nicely complements your business. Can't you take a compliment?
I didnt open the forum. I bought it. I originally started rouletteforum.net, then bought vlsroulette.com on the condition the seller wouldn't make a competing forum, which he did then i bought that too, which is this forum. Then he went and made yet another forum. So i did get cheated, but we made a compromise.
I buy a lot of sites, or at least i did.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 21, 02:31 AM 2020What do you think the core problem is?
Technocracy.