All the info is in the excel files.
Thanks to F_LAT_INO (Iboba) for open our eyes(16 numbers touching all doz. and col.)
This system bet 4 corners touching all doz. and col.
Until now i use only 3 progression steps.
cheers
If someone find even better triggers , welcome :love:
cheers
Looks really good, Kattila. Did really well in my virtual sessions which is where I simply freespin in real money mode! Never goes past the 4th step in my progression so far but I will test it with my actual money tomorrow. Let's hope the results are good! :)
Tried a few spins doing good will post more results later. How long have you tested this Kattila?
Quote from: weddings on Dec 02, 12:30 AM 2010
Tried a few spins doing good will post more results later. How long have you tested this Kattila?
Only a few test Weddings, this is the reason i posted here not in Full systems.
I had a bad session (using 3 steeps and LL trigger), so maybe i will try to
swich from trigger LL to trigger W( and also from W to LL) after L1L2L3.
cheers
In my test trigger W produces a higher profit. Let's test more and see how it goes.
Quote from: weddings on Dec 02, 03:36 AM 2010
In my test trigger W produces a higher profit. Let's test more and see how it goes.
Yes maybe you right, from now i will test swich method (LL and W ) after 3 LLLs,
and also trigger W alone.
Now this is a lost session if play trigger LL(only 3 prog. steeps).
But if i play swich method after 3 Ls results change :thumbsup:
Same numbers (from test 2) but trigger W. ;)
Another test swich mode LL and W after 3 Ls
Max up +203
Max down -50
End at +83
I will try this session only trigger W (another day)
Same session 4 , but the trigger is only W.
I think i stay with trigger W because until now
gives the best results.
cheers
Well , until now this looks good, will see next days if still works good.
Another session with trigger W.
cheers
First lost session at stop lose -120 .
Another test with trigger W .
Results after four tests ( T4W,T5W,T6W,T7W) played virtual with strict rules:
Spins aprox . 500
Lost 1 session
Win 3 sessions
Total + 665
To good to be true, I will keep testing when I have time,
let s see what s next ..... :( or :)
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Dec 03, 12:23 PM 2010
let s see what s next ..... :( or :)
cheers
Either way, thanks for your time and efforts in posting dear Kattila.
Personally, looking forward to: :)
Cheers!
Had 5 sessions with this system so far. Had 2 sessions end in close calls with good profit but the rest were pure profit! This system is looking good so far!
Thanks Victor!
And thanks Droganson for you time and effort to make some tests.
Btw... you have tested trigger W and 3 prog. steps, or ...?
cheers
Tested both, Kattila!
The 2 sessions that were close calls were the ones where I waited for LLL W and the other three were just a W. In the end, they all ended in profit!
Test 8 trigger W :thumbsup:
Ok, another test made today. :thumbsup:
Did 2 sessions yesterday and hit my stop loss both times. Will look for alternative ways to play this. I played the w and lll w strategies. Gonna do a few sessions of ll tomorrow.
For sure sometimes will hit the stop lose Droganson, but
this happens with all methods, tools, cwb s....etc...
Important is that to happen rarely, and win more sessions than lose.
Here is another way/ progression to use:
after trigger W bet
Level 1
1. 0,30 x 4 -1,2 +1,5
2. 0,50 x 4 -3,2 +1,3
3. 1 x 4 -7,2 +1,8
if lost this first 3 steps ( 3 Ls), wait new trigger W
and bet
Level 2
1. 2 x 4 -15,2 +2,8
2. 3,50 x 4 -29,2 +2,3
3. 7 x 4 -57,2 +5,8
if lost this second level (total lost -57,2), wait new trigger W
and stay on level 3 until in plus(or break even) or lost all levels.
Level 3
1. 2 x 4 -8 +10
2. 4 x 4 -24 +12
3. 7 x 4 -54 +9
so 54+57,2 = -111,2 stop lose
I will keep testing same way(see excel files) , trigger W/ 3 steps,
and if will not work i will try with the 3 Levels.
cheers
Here is a session with rules from above( 3 Levels).
I will test both ways.
Another test ,trigger W /3 steps (stop lose around -100)
I tested until now around 820 spins
7 sessions , one lost , six won
profit + 1175 (still to good to be true)
Droganson tested 7 sessions, spins ?
two sessions lost, 5 won , + ?
Total balance = positive until now
Btw...the 3 Level *way* is good for a +50 (+75) target
cheers
Hi Kat.
Is this another system that could be characterised as a CONSTANT WINNING BET?
Looking good from Ur figures and of some others too!
CWB ? Take it easy Chris , it is just in testing stage :)
cheers
OOps sorry sir. Was ahead of myself then.
edit- I did say "could be"
Hi Droganson , you have replied in other topic(Katt two Lines...),
i have copied here and remove from there.
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I guess I am the only unlucky person with this system. I hit my stop-loss yet again when trying ll and ll w in two different sessions. I really like this strategy so I'm going to try maybe twisting around the corners or thinking of another strategy using a similar format. I'm not sure... *
Droganson,
Forget about trigger LL, stay on trigger W, not LLW or LLLW.
Can you give that spins (lost session) ? I will take a look , maybe we play/test a little
different....i don't know. Anyway this is on testing stage.
cheers
this looks like
very nice system, i 'll make s sessions per 80 spins live today at local casino, be back with results in 24 hours.
bye
3 sessions, each session 80 spins, trigger on w
session 1:+23 units
session 2: +27 units
session 3: +11 units
banbkroll: 100 unit, 2$ unit
it is looking promising i can say
has anyone else done some testing on bigger numbers of spins
iz is hard ot track without paper, so take some pencils if you play live
Hi Blablablu,
thanks for your help to test this system,
and have you tested trigger W with only 3 progression steps?
or same trigger W but progression 3 Levels (9 steps) ?
btw....what was the maximum up and maximum down in your three
80 spins sessions ?
thanks
just 3 progressions, not the 3 level progression play, when lost i reset and start over.
i didn't track maximum down or up, but as i recall somewher around 25-30 units at the most down, but maximum up was around 50-60 units as i remember, but i did stricktly 80 spins test, maybe i would hit in next 2-3 spins and then have a larger profit.
i must put a note that it wasn't a lucky day, i expected bigger profit in 80 spins, something around 60 units.
i made some speedy test today again, 70 units, 50 spins, total:0
1. how to decide which group of corners to bet when it hits the middle row, because sometimes I choose one group and it hits the other one, so I was switching between. After some thinking I made some logical conclusion due to the numbers covering the table. So group a for numbers 2,5,14,26 group b for numbers 11,20,23,29 and group c for numbers 8,17,32,35
Is there some logic in choosing this exact corners in each group?!?!?!
2. never play on losing trigger due to slow game and chasing losers, it is much easier to chase the winner if we consider some hot numbers logic against sleepers. :D :D :D do not ever trust the sleepers, as you would not trust the lazy people tooo ::)
3. do not deviate from the rules because today in 50 spins I hit 5 loses 3 times and then went to first progression to minimize losses. Guess what happened?!?!?, hit the winner in the 6th spin each time. yeah I was smart unintelligent,... I could went home with profit if I followed the rules strictly >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
4. bankroll recommended is 2 times bigger then first six steps of the progression, so we could take it to 300 units just in case
5. Maybe when playing group a or b we could put zero in, but I must calculate that to see if it gets any profit out of it
if I think something else for this system I will write down, I will do some more tests in the end of the week and try to think a bit about some improvements
sorry for being away for long, I got new girlfriend, you know how it is :love: :love:
Quote from: blablablu on Jan 10, 11:44 AM 2011
sorry for being away for long, I got new girlfriend, you know how it is :love: :love:
Yes I do ! I close my eyes every night and have a new girlfriend ;D JOKE !
if i do that i would be smiling even more, like a drunk kid :) thnx :thumbsup:
Is anyone still playing or testing this method ?
Is looking great but needs an improve.
any ideas? i was thinking switching corners between groups to get more randomess
Could work but again you could spoil your good random which would have come by playing stable corners :))
Who knows ? :)
Also, we could play this method in the follwing way:
Bet always on the last group that hit.
We will win when a group hits consecutively twice.
We need a good progression for this.
5 step progression looks good.
However, this is a killing when groups are switching each time :) and could cause big loses :)
Yes we could bet on the last group to repeat and use the progression
i allready posted( 5 steps), or an more economically progression:
1. 0,30 x 4C -1,2 +1,5
2. 0,50 x 4C -3,2 +1,3
3. 1 x 4C -7,2 +1,8
4. 2 x 4C -15,2 +2,8
5. 3,50 x 4C -29,2 +2,3
6. 7 x 4C -57,2 +5,8
but before bet wait some virtual Ls
ABACBCBA.....then bet the last to repeat
Or bet the penultimate group, like Ex:
C
A
B
B
C virtual Ls
A bet C
B L, bet A
B L, bet A
C L, bet B
B W
..............................................................
OR
Corners groups
1. 1,2,4,5
2. 2,3,5,6
3. 7,8,10,11
4. 8,9,11,12
5. 13,14,16,17
6. 14,15,17,18
7. 19,20,22,23
8. 20,21,23,24
9. 25,26,28,29
10. 26,27,29,30
11. 31,32,34,35
12. 32,33,35,36
Or bet the last 3 corners to repeat, if lose bet the last 4 corners to repeat,
if lose bet the last 5 corners, if lose bet the last 6.
Of course when hit the common numbers (2,5,8,11,.....) we have to choose the group to bet.
Ex: hit number 2, choose between group 1 and group 2.
1. 0,50 x 3C -1,5 +3
2. 1 x 4C -5,5 +3,5
3. 3 x 5C -20,5 +6,5
4. 8 x 6C -68,5 +3,5
cheers
Katilla:
playing repeating corners is way to risky, there is a lot of LLLL's it is very easy to get kicked out of the game and also you need big bankroll for this.
The original idea is OK and it works most of the time, well much more win's then L's.
When you win or lose, wait for next spin to make new bet selection.
Betting on every spin like jointu said: bit fast,risky and has a lot of LLL's i tested it on 50 spins and twice i got to 6th level of progression, max. drawdown was in 17th spin -93 units, but after 50 spins i was +89 units.
he way
This systems covers 16 numbers, considering that corners are stable in each group, this i solid system to be played with even chances system along the way.
Quote from: blablablu on Jan 20, 06:31 AM 2011
Katilla:
playing repeating corners is way to risky, there is a lot of LLLL's it is very easy to get kicked out of the game and also you need big bankroll for this.
The original idea is OK and it works most of the time, well much more win's then L's.
When you win or lose, wait for next spin to make new bet selection.
Betting on every spin like jointu said: bit fast,risky and has a lot of LLL's I tested it on 50 spins and twice I got to 6th level of progression, max. drawdown was in 17th spin -93 units, but after 50 spins I was +89 units.
he way
This systems covers 16 numbers, considering that corners are stable in each group, this I solid system to be played with even chances system along the way.
I agree the original idea is OK, the reply from above is only others ideas/ways
to play/test corners.
cheers
Katilla I agree.
The original idea: 3 groups with 4 corners which touch each dozen and column is the core of the system.
You could play it in many different ways: Bet after a win and stop after 3 loses or bet after LL for 5 step progression or bet the last hit.
I think the core selection is a winner since covers most of the table and gives you a good approach.
The rest of the method depends on how are you playing: I had inspiration to switch groups during progressions and hit the gain, while staying with the selected bet was a loss.
My Question is: Could we identify some trends like in R/B bets ?
If this is possible or trends do exist then this way of betting ( A,B,C groups) will be a killing for roulette.
one idea is got for this but not having time to test it due midterms at college.
play 4 corners and play 2 dozens that showed in last 3 spins (1,2,1 - play dozen 1 and 2).
[/url]link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/figures-for-d-c/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/figures-for-d-c/)[/url] - check it for statistics and ideas-good info
with this idea we are getting more profit and covering both stable(corners) betting and betting the differences. This the way where we are playing both for trends and for surprises.
when losing in corners, still covering losses with dozens or columns, and there is realistic chance to make double hits/wins in one spin or doublee lost too :P?
Katilla: how did you picked those 4 corners in each group? i think that bet selection is important
jointu: maybe tweaking corners selection with number distribution on wheel so we could make better wheel coverage?!?!
Gave it a Token play at Dublinbet for 2 hours session.
229 units starting bankroll
Maximum down it went to 100 and then I closed at 500 !
I've played last group hit with the following approach: On loss +1 and on win -1.
I will keep testing.
Just lucky.
nice. i tried every spin too, but if you get 2-3 times in s4ession till 6-7th progression and not enough bankroll, then you burn out. i think that one must have 500 units for this to play and determined goal to achieve
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play 4 corners and play 2 dozens that showed in last 3 spins (1,2,1 - play dozen 1 and 2).
[/url]link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/figures-for-d-c/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/figures-for-d-c/)[/url] - check it for statistics and ideas-good info
with this idea we are getting more profit and covering both stable(corners) betting and betting the differences. This the way where we are playing both for trends and for surprises.
when losing in corners, still covering losses with dozens or columns, and there is realistic chance to make double hits/wins in one spin or doublee lost too ?
**
I know very well that system (figures for DC) because I made some tests and it is
a good system for two dozens, but how could this work together with this four corners
system ( two Doz + one corner group A ,or B or C ) ? Too much numbers to bet, maybe
flat bet.... ???
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Katilla: how did you picked those 4 corners in each group? I think that bet selection is important
jointu: maybe tweaking corners selection with number distribution on wheel so we could make better wheel coverage?!?! **
The bet selection is based only on the table layout, and each group touch every Doz.
and Col.
And yes we could choose the 3 groups based on the wheel layout and make better
covarage, i will think about that....
cheers
Yes, that was the problem.
Need high bankroll.
However- we could play with units of 0.1
With 20 deposit and let us say another 20 (100% first deposit bonus) and playing with 0.1 units we have a BR of 400.
If we get a very good session- let us say in 2 hours play we could double our deposit money and in the same time meet an important part of wagering requirement.
Nice system.
I will continue testing bot on live wheel form dublinbet and also on RNG to see how much it can go down.
This goes well when a group sleeps because the ball goes between 2 groups and it is unlikely not to hit consecutively twice same group.
Yes, you play 4 corners regular way, so just one group and not every spin, and the system with dozens you play as described. Point is that you are cutting bad streaks with not playing every spin and because system have different fundamental rules you are cutting surprises and sleepers.
that is the way I feel it.
In average you would play corners every second spin and for dozens you have breaks now and then for few spins, and sometimes streaks of few spins betting. So the corners are doing stable betting and dozens are chasing changes and alterations.
2 dozens plus one of the corner groups, it is not too much numbers, corners are easy to remember it is kind of automatic bet, you just have to watch for dozens system, that is it.
I was thinking more of a progression, then the flat bet. It is playing two systems simultaneously and if possible with separate bankroll, but don't think that makes a big change just so you could track profit/loss easily
Hi mate,
What do you think about this approach which relates dozen bet with our corners system.
Here is the image of corners for each group if we see the dozen from which it belongs.
Group Dozens
A 1 2 3 3
B 1 1 2 3
C 1 2 2 3
So basically, I would still play last hit but like this:
If A hits, than I will bet on dozen 1 and 2 bets which I would have put on corners related to this dozens and for Dozen 3 I will play actual corners.
If hits dozen 3 but not our corners we lose but this would have happened also with the straight corners bet.
If hits dozen 1 or 2 we will be at a loss of -1 regarding which group hits ( this is more as an improve since previously this area was covered poorly but with higher return.)
And if it hits corners from dozen 3 we win as previous approach.
Same idea with B and C groups.
And also, use + 1 on loss and -1 on win.
:)
Again, this could be a fail if our group hits each time in the dozens on which we do not bet on corners- we would have won more playing the initial idea :)
But also, any fluctuations will be less aggressive compared with previous idea.
need some time to put it on paper jointu, but it looks interesting.
katilla: i will make the corners groups on the wheel selection and post it here.
give me time till Sunday guys, it is Friday and i go out :P,
we can make something out of it, i strongly believe it
why this isn't under the full systems group?
Katt can request it to be moved if he wants it so :)
He should because it's a winnnig system.
Needs only an improve to get the right trigger.
I tested this method in a long time about 3000 times at casino's house
I use this method strigger LLL
The first time is very good, but at last I was lost. pool lost 14 consecutive times.
The creation of the group should change here?
Top not hit (LLL. . ) :
Group A: 17 times
Group B: 11 times
Group C: 13 times
If you play after trigger LLL better not use more than 3 progression steps,
and if lose that 3 steps, wait new trigger LLL and bet again only 3 steps.
I tested this method only with trigger W and 3(or 5) progression steps.
I advice you do not bet the sleeper, bet the hot (after trigger W).
Progression lose win
1. 4 x 2 -8 10
2. 4 x 4 -24 12
3. 4 x 7 -54 9 stop-loss at -54
.............................................................................
4. 4 x 13 -106 11
5. 4 x 25 -206 19
Or
w L
1. 4 x 1 -4 +5
2. 4 x 2 -12 +6
3. 4 x 3 -24 +3
.........................................................
4. 4 x 6 -48 +6
5. 4 x 12 -96 +12
Also can use this ( 2 Levells or 3 Levells)
After trigger W bet
Level 1
1. 0,30 x 4 -1,2 +1,5
2. 0,50 x 4 -3,2 +1,3
3. 1 x 4 -7,2 +1,8
if lost this first 3 steps ( 3 Ls), wait new trigger W
and bet
Level 2
1. 2 x 4 -15,2 +2,8
2. 3,50 x 4 -29,2 +2,3
3. 7 x 4 -57,2 +5,8 stop-loss at -57
if lost this second level (total lost -57,2), wait new trigger W
and stay on level 3 until in plus(or break even) or lost all levels.
Level 3
1. 2 x 4 -8 +10
2. 4 x 4 -24 +12
3. 7 x 4 -54 +9
so 54+57,2 = -111,2 stop-loss
cheers
Method Trigger W
I see some number of 2 group so if them hit
How did you choise to bet A or B or C
When 14 hit ,why did you bet to C and did'nt bet to A
2 W trigg. A W L
26 W w +10 W trigg. B L
10 L L L1 W
5 W trigg. A W w +12 L
23 L L1 W W
7 L L2 L W
26 W w +9 W trigg. B L
15 W L L1 L
32 W L L2 W
9 L W w +9 L
14 W L W trigg. C
21 L L W w +10
27 L W trigg. B L
11 L W w +10 W trigg. C
4 W L L L1
26 W W L L2
21 L L W w +9
31 L L W trigg. C
34 L L W w +10
When 14 hit ,why did you bet to C and did'nt bet to A
Thank you very much
When you have that situation(two triggers W) you have to choose one , no strict rules
for that (use your intuition, luck...), or wait one or more spins until remain only one trigger W
and bet that group.
cheers
Been using this for about 8 sessions now, total playing time about 16hrs using triggeR LLL instead of LL, same time playing 8splits trigger again LLL splits are 3/6 8/11 12/15 17/20 16/19 26/29 25/28 32/35. . . . . . .
william hill live wheel starting BR 200 units. . . . . . up to today 28/1/11 BR 1010 units, early days but doing well ;D
Tj5566, I am happy for you man :)
For sure you have catched some Ls,
L
L
L trigger
L1
L2
L3 ?
Do you use only the first 3 prog. steps, if lose wait again trigger and bet again
3 progr. steps, right ?
And if you add that 8 splits group to the others 3 corners groups, you can choose
now from 4 groups :thumbsup:
This can be applied to streets, and make your own 4 or 6 groups(5 streets groups
touching all doz./col) find good triggers(W or LLL...) and bet only a few progr. steps.
cheers
Kattila
To be honest i've been taking the progression to five steps instead of three, using only small chips this really is not a problem for me, i use my 8 splits as a completly different system just run it along side the four corners at the same time and up to now seem to be working really well together, got another idea in mind which i'm going to test out before posting, thx for advice, be lucky. :)
i printed out the wheel and draw the group number, it's really good spread around the wheel and there is no need to change it.
i don't understand the thing with splits, how do you combine it with corners. :question: tj5556 can you explain it with more detail i would appreciate it.
combining the dozens system works well for now in the testing period, well to be honest i did 3 sessions(my sessions are always 40 spins).
when it hits the middle column i think that it is the best to play one time one group, then next time switch to the other, just to cover both possibilities equally.
see you folks ;)
blablablu
as i said before i use my 8 splits as a complete different system! so i'm playing two systems at once, when any of my 8 splits don't hit after any 3 consecutive spins i hit them , and i've never (yet) gone past the 4th progression, the splits have no effect on the four corners system as i treat it seperatly, to be honest i'm winning more with the splits than the corners, on my live wheel these splits give me complete confidence, so far so good short session this morning now up to 1075 units not bad from 200 in a short space of time. . . . . . . . . . and before anybody says i know any system will fail the more you play it, been there done that!. . . . . . . but will i'm870 units in profit what the hell!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
soryy i missed the part that it is side-by-side playing. 8)
Hi tj,
Well done for plundering the casinos so far. Onward and upward I say. WHat splits are you using?
Do you alternate or stick to the same ones?
Thanks
BW
buff
my splits are 3/6 8/11 12/15 16/19 17/20 25/28 26/29 32/35 and i never use anymore ;) like i said before i know the wheel i play these are VERY good splits be lucky
how you play please your splits?????? ???
Thanks tj,
What progression are you using with that?
Thanks
BW
The prog I am using on both the four corners and the splits is 1-1-2-4-8-16. . . . . . . .
but with the splits you could just flat bet which is what i've been doing last couple of sessions, think i've played about 9 or 10 sessions now and NOT been down yet. . . . got a bit hairy once when the corners did'nt hit but made amends with the splits ;D
just waiting for the bubble to burst, like so many before. . . be lucky :thumbsup:
how many virtual losses you wait FOR SPLITS ??? 3 ??? L L L ?
for the splits i wait for 3, if your using big chips i would advise 5. . . . . but you might have to wait longer, only been to 5th step once so far. :thumbsup:
i won last step in 21 novacasino :sad2:
21!!!!!!!! steps, did the corners not hit neither? thats bad luck
I used to play 8 splits a lot and tried every variation going,
And everything I tried, you would always still get nightmare run eventually of at least 10+ without hitting, therefore blowing your bankroll.
I'm guessing the same applies with 4 corners. Just be wary mate
BW
buff
too true but not happened yet, last few sessions been flat betting the splits, with equally good results
please tell me which are the opite splits of 3/6 8/11 12/15 16/19 17/20 25/28 26/29 32/35??? :question:
sakis sorry don't know what you mean ???
I think he mean the oposite of your 8 splits (another 8 splits group).
Friends, can use my corners groups or
make your own corners,splits, streets groups (15-16 number groups)
and try to touch all doz/col also touch all *wheel corners* .
Bet only a few ( 3 until 5) progression steps and choose your own triggers,
like W or LLL or....( I prefer W ) .
good luck