This is called the 2nd dozen because whenever we hit on the 2nd dozen we win.
Since I always give credit where credit is due, I give Compa credit for this idea.
This bet is 2/3 of his H/L Formula system which was 1/3 too complicated for me to understand, but I did get this far.
We bet 1 unit on either the 1-18 e.c. or 19-36 e.c. and also 1 unit on the 2nd dozen.
If a number 1-18 hits, bet 1-18 e.c. and 2nd dozen for the next spin.
If a number 19-36 hits, bet 19-36 e.c. and 2nd dozen for the next spin.
(This is only a suggested bet selection method. If you have one you prefer, use it.)
We start by betting 2 units, 1 unit on each location.
This means you will either lose 2 units, win 3 units, win 1 unit or break even depending on what spins.
If you are betting on the 1-18 e.c. and 2nd dozen a hit on 1-12 results in a break even.
A hit on 13-18 results in a 3 unit win. A hit on 19-24 results in a 1 unit win. And a hit on 0 or 25-36 results in a 2 unit loss.
A gradual bet progression is useful. 1111122222333334444455555 etc...(Naturally, we bet 2 units times each number on the bet line.)
When you lose a spin move 2 steps to the right If you win a 1 unit hit, move 1 step to the left and if you hit a 3 unit win, move 3 steps to the left. As always you can stretch this line out for added safety or shorten it for a more aggressive attack. Suit yourself.
Use your own win target. I use 20 units with a 200 unit bank. I haven't even gotten close to the limit.
Compa was on to something with his system, he just covered a little too much of the wheel for my tastes.
Give it a test run. You'll be surprised.
George
P.S. If you want you can bet 2 units on the e.c. and 1 on the 2nd dozen. This will give you a 1 unit win when you hit the e.c. You'll need to tweak the the bet method to take into account the 3 units instead of 2 units on a loss.
Good find George but from my past experience high/low and a dozen dun work well in the long run. Maybe this idea can prove me wrong?
Quote from: weddings on Dec 08, 01:11 AM 2010
Good find George but from my past experience high/low and a dozen dun work well in the long run. Maybe this idea can prove me wrong?
I know what you mean and I agree that other hi/lo + doz methods haven't been very stable.
This one seems to work a little better because of the overlap of the two bets.
Also, with the bet line being a slow go, it tends to keep you in the game until a hit in the overlap area which gives an added boost to your total.
Of course, as with them all, there are spin sequences that can kill the system, but there are a lot of them that give pretty quick wins.
As with all systems like this, it's a hit n run method.
But, I like it as well or better than most others.
It's easy to play. Try a few tests and let me know how it turns out.
George
If anyone's interested I have palyed a total of 8 sessions. Five to 20 units and 3 to 40 units.
That's +220 units and no losses.
I know that's not much but it's a pretty good start.
I'm not going to post again until I have a difficult session. I need to see what that looks like. It shouldn't take too long. I seem to be able to sniff out the bad ones.
I, unfortunately, struggle with grinder bet lines so I have played different bet lines.
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 Is my favorite right now. +1 on a loss and move back 1 on a 1 unit win and move back 2 (or 3) on a 3 unit win. I have gotten to two 5 unit bets but won a couple of 3unit bets which helped me recover quickly.
At new high, start over at 1 unit.
When the 2nd dozen is hitting, this wins quick. (Of course I know that's like saying if you bet on the number 1 and a lot of 1's are hitting etc...)
I think that if you had a 1000 unit bankroll you'd never go bust. But, test and be convinced in your own mind.
George
Okay, I'm sure that you guys are just passing up an excellent system.
I have played another 4 sessions for +160 units.
I am playing more aggressively now because I am having such a good hit rate.
I am playing with the above mentioned tweak. 2 units on the Hi/Lo e.c. and 1 unit on 2nd dozen. This gives me more 1 unit wins and fewer break even wins.
I am betting a fibo 2&1-2&1-4&2-6&3-10&5-16&8-26&13-42&21-64&32 etc... The second number represents the fibo progression 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-32-64 etc...
If I lose at 2&1, I stay at 2&1 until I hit 1 unit 3 times or 3 units 1 time then I go back to the beginning. Anytime you hit the e.c. and 2 dozen, you will be back to even or + if you've hit some 1 unit wins along the way so start over.
This is hitting at a very high rate.
Luck? Maybe.
If I could get even 1 other person to test it and report his findings, I would appreciate it.
This is very easy to play. No tracking just winning.
Even 3 sessions to 25 units would be a help.
Thanks,
George
Hi George
I just played 2 sessions with your first rules, because I like it safe.
This one seems good to me, because if you are down in the hole (like 40 units) then random evens out. When the third dozen hits many times in a row, like in my graphs.
A bankroll with 1000 units would be very very safe, in my opinion.
Kind of long sessions, but on RNG that isn't a problem.
Forgot to add, I tested without zero. I can test with it if you want in the future.
+40 in 126 spins, (-32)
+41 in 264 spins, (-47)
Tested again with zero now =)
+41 in 282 spins
You can clearly see when our beloved third dozen hits frequently :)
I forgot to add:
When I have suffered a drawdown, and when I have started the climb up again. Sometimes I am betting with high units (like 4 or 5 units on each). Then I count some and see how much I need to bet. This way it gets even safer, you lower your bets when you comes near.
I also always reset to first step in progression when I'm in a new high or break even.
The highest bet I have had is 5 units on each (Low and middle dozen).
Puhhh, this session was a brain-killer.
+40 in 452 spins, (-93), with zero.
This was some serious drawdowns.
The second dozen hitted many times at the end and even out.
1st dozen, 148 times
2nd dozen, 145 times
3rd dozen, 146 times
Highest bet this time was 8 units on each.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Fripper on Dec 10, 06:45 AM 2010
Tested again with zero now =)
+41 in 282 spins
You can clearly see when our beloved third dozen hits frequently :)
I forgot to add:
When I have suffered a drawdown, and when I have started the climb up again. Sometimes I am betting with high units (like 4 or 5 units on each). Then I count some and see how much I need to bet. This way it gets even safer, you lower your bets when you comes near.
I also always reset to first step in progression when I'm in a new high or break even.
The highest bet I have had is 5 units on each (Low and middle dozen).
Dear Fripper,
Thank you so much for testing this.
The only thing you are doing different is I follow the last on the hi/lo.
Looking for streaks.
The one thing that can kill us is a series of 1 doz, 3 doz, 1 doz, 3 doz, 1doz, 3 doz, and of course sprinkled in a few zeros.
Follow the last or even penultimate makes it more stable.
Thanks again,
George
Yes I agree, it's never good to bet one the same for to long, we have to be able to switch our bets. In that case betting on the last one or betting on penultimate is a good thing.
Do you mean follow the second last even chance? Because we are always betting on 2nd dozen, right?
This one is very good on a no-zero table.
Well, I have tried the alternating system for even chances...but again, results are not that bright either. You must be prepared to take the loss when there are streaks of alternating results.
After my testing on a no-zero wheel this performs really good. Random evens out after several losses and you are back on track before you know it. That was without alternating bets.
Quote from: Fripper on Dec 10, 10:47 AM 2010
After my testing on a no-zero wheel this performs really good. Random evens out after several losses and you are back on track before you know it. That was without alternating bets.
Fripper,
Yes follow the even chance. Even on alternating e.c.s we don't always get killed because occassionally 1 of the six opposite e.c. numbers hits when the 2nd dozen hits.
If I have 3 losses in a row, I switch to betting opposite last e.c. in hopes the alternating continues.
Hey, nothing in roulette is perfect.
I have been having excellent results playing this simple little bet.
The fibo progression is pretty aggressive, but continues to win for me. Losses recover quickly.
If we have a lot of losses close together so as not to recover before another loss we will eventually hit bottom. Unavoidable unless we go with the 1111122222333334444455555 bet line. With this bet line we don't recover a loss so quickly and can spend hundreds of spins trying to come out of a hole.
Pick your own playing style and have fun.
George
hi
anyone still doing this? i like it :))
thanks
tom
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 27, 07:08 PM 2010
Hi
anyone still doing this? I like it :))
thanks
tom
Tom,
Thanks for the interest. I am very fond of this system. I am no longer testing it, but it is in my arsenal of systems available for play if other systems aren't doing so well.
It can lose of course, but if you have a high enough bankroll, I usually use 200 units, it's a fairly long streak of wins between losses. You could lose on the very first time you sit to play for real money, but not too likely. Once you build up a few hundred units, you should be able to stay ahead of any losses.
Test thoroughly to be sure you know what to expect when you put real money on the line.
Why not post the results of some of your testings here for others to get a feel for the system.
Thanks again Tom, :thumbsup:
George
george ive been playing it real time in real casinos in conjunction with something else i do its been working nicely---i just am tweeking the mm system i want to use with it. . . will report my play but i wont have anything concrete because i keep an eye on my bankroll as a whole w the combined systems
Tom,
As stated in an earlier post, I like to play a fibonacci progression. 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34 on the 2 dozen bet and double each for the even chance. The easiest way I have found to play it is to bet on the last even chance. Every loss and I switch to the other even chance. That way I can catch any streaks. I don't change even chances unless I hit the dozen that I don't have any bet on.
The fibo progression is a little aggressive, but it wins quickly. Even when you hit your stop loss, you can recover relatively fast. I think a 1-2-3-4-5-6-7etc... up 1 on a loss back 1 on a win is a safe way to play also. More of a grind, but steadier.
I'm not completely convinced that mild progressions are any better than aggressive ones. Granted, when you lose an aggressive one, you usually lose a bigger chunk, but you also win bigger hits along the way.
At the end of the day, it's probably just a person's playing style.
By the way, I just ran off a quick +52 units. When that 6 number line hits for a double win, it wipes out a good number of losses.
I guess there's really no need to post results because I know that this is a very playable system. If you played it continually for 1000's of spins, I'm sure it would fail to stay ahead, but for short strikes, it can deliver units quickly.
Thanks,
George
played it live in ct casino today , worked well im guessing about 15-20 units (remember i spot play it and use it as a tool w something else) used this progression 1,1,2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4 . . . . . . . . . . never went past 3 , thanks george it def looks like a valuable tool
Tom,
I hope you continue to do well with this easy system.
I just want to run a new twist by you for your consideration when and if you have the time.
Increase our base bets to 3 units on the even chance and 2 units on the 2nd dozen.
This gives us a 1 unit win if the even chance hits by itself.
A 1 unit win if the 2nd dozen hits by itself.
A 7 unit win if both even chance and 2nd dozen hit.
Of course the down side is that we lose 5 units if the unbet dozen or zero hits.
This is a faster paced version which can win rather quickly.
I am using this bet line. 1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-5-5-5-5-6-6-6-6-7-7-7-7-8-8-8-8, etc...
The way I play the bet line is for every loss, I move 5 steps down the line. For every 1 unit win I move 1 step to the left and for every 7 unit win I move 7 steps to the left.
This is a moderate bet line. A simple recovery line would be 5 bets at each level and a more aggressive line would be 3 bets at each level..
For exceptional safety you could go to 6,7 or more bets at each level.
The 5 steps to the right on a loss always remains constant.
What do you think?
George
Chris,
All joking and sarcasm aside. ;D
I have played 17 sessions with this system in one form or another.
I have won a total of 17 sessions for a total of +434 units.
Not all of them were with the same bet system.
5 of them for +257 units were using the exact system as stated in my last post to Tom re: going to 3 units on the even chance and 2 units on the 2nd dozen.
Also, Fripper tested this, albeit by betting the 1-18 e.c. and the 2nd dozen only which gave him some serious drawdowns when the 3rd dozen was streaking and he still came out to a positive level on all 4 sessions with a +162 units won overall.
Add to the above credentials, which I admit are far from conclusive, Tom's attesting to the fact that he is playing this system for real dinero and is doing well though he's using it as a hit-n-run along with other systems in his bag of tricks.
So. Even though I had put it on the back burner for a short while, Tom renewed my interest in it and with the new tweak, I'm very glad he did.
The way I play it is I write out my bet line with about a half inch between each number and I use a mini marshmellow to move around on the line to keep track of what my next bet amount is. When I reach a new high, I eat the marshmellow as a reward. I'm going to have to cut that out because I'm putting weight on like water buffalo.
All right, I can't put all joking aside.
Please believe me when I say that I'm
Sincerely Yours,
George
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 29, 09:44 PM 2010
Your hilarious George.
Its 2.45am here in Uk, and I am laughing my azz off.
Well done.
Love you man. nite . X
Sleep well my friend, and when you awaken you'll be able to read that I just finished another 2 sessions. 1st to +52 and the 2nd to +58. On the last one I was winning so fast I couldn't shut it down fast enough and overshot my win target.
I'm must be in one of the luckiest streaks with a system ever.
George
I was getting so c***y that the roulette gods had to teach me a lesson.
1 lost session of 200 units. :'(
This can win fast and it can lose fast. When it starts jumping between the 1st and 3rd dozens opposite the way you are betting, it can chew up units pretty quick using the bet line I've been playing.
I'm still ahead 344 units, so not too discouraged. All systems win and all systems lose. Goes with the territory.
Now that I see how my bet line works, I think I'll test a few session using the one Tom uses, 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4. This wins well enough when it's hitting the double payoff that even with a safer bet method, it can still win at a good pace.
Keeping my chin up, :thumbsup: :lol:
George
I have been thinking about this bet and realize that it is another variation on a common bet selection system where you are advised to bet on Red and 2nd column or Black and 3rd column.
If you bet 3 on Red and 2 on the 2nd column, it nets the same wins & losses as this 2nd dozen system.
So really nothing new with this system. This method of betting has been tested and if played for extended periods, will ultimately fail the same as other fixed type bets like the 3/2 method (3 on Hi or Lo and 2 on the opposite dozen), even Kingspins Lucky Horseshoe is showing that in the long run the losses eat up the wins unless you are one of the really lucky players, but who can bank on that.
As a hit-n-run system, it's not that bad at all, but I would have a small stop loss in case you hit a bad run early.
Good luck Tom,
George
Quote from: GLC on Dec 29, 09:38 PM 2010
The way I play it is I write out my bet line with about a half inch between each number and I use a mini marshmellow to move around on the line to keep track of what my next bet amount is. When I reach a new high, I eat the marshmellow as a reward. I'm going to have to cut that out because I'm putting weight on like water buffalo.
George
Hi George,
Last night I dreamt I ate a GIANT marshmallow. When I woke up my pillow was gone !
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=playnmJB_TI&feature=player_embedded# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=playnmJB_TI&feature=player_embedded#)!
A.
Good one A.
Sorry pal but after I let a few more members enjoy it, I may have to send it to the trash bin since I made that post about keeping our topics to the point to save people having to wade through non-pertinent material.
Cheers Pal,
George
U wouldn't dump the mellow would U George?
It'll be the ducks next!
back again to the brick and morter casino. . . . another 35-45 units plus i guess as i look at bankroll
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jan 02, 09:40 PM 2011
Back again to the brick and morter casino. . . . another 35-45 units plus I guess as I look at bankroll
Steady as she goes, Mate. :thumbsup:
Best wishes, :smile:
George
another 12 units today-----
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jan 03, 10:11 PM 2011
Another 12 units today-----
Norman Squire in his classic on roulette says that to beat the game of roulette, we must all be "hard grafters". A hard grafter plays 1st and foremost to not lose. Any chips he picks up along the way make up his wins for the day. One of a hard grafter's first rules is to never play a system that can wipe you out on a really bad run of luck.
Keep chipping away, my friend. But be wary, lady luck can sneak up and blind-side you when you least expect it.
LOL,
George
well aware of the negatives george but thank you,, live in cambridge mass and grew up with the MIT guys that did the blackjack thing--still play poker w some of them, i neg prog stuff but break it off early if something is not working and take a minor loss--will play for about 5 hours friday and give results ( not actual but close)
enjoy
tom
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jan 05, 11:58 PM 2011
Well aware of the negatives george but thank you,, live in cambridge mass and grew up with the MIT guys that did the blackjack thing--still play poker w some of them, I neg prog stuff but break it off early if something is not working and take a minor loss--will play for about 5 hours friday and give results ( not actual but close)
enjoy
tom
I get the meassage Tom.
Good luck to ya.
G
about 25 units up on the dozens friday
im trying to figure out some kind of simple trigger for this :)))
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jan 09, 03:01 PM 2011
I'm trying to figure out some kind of simple trigger for this :)))
The only trigger I can think of is for the 3rd dozen to hit a few times in a row or maybe 3 of the last 5 spins.
It's not a guarantee that it will not continue to hit, but may reduce the chances a little.
i kind of play that way waiting for 1 doz. 2x or 3rd doz 2 times and play the opposite along with the middle ---if zeros happen (im on double zero american wheel) i count that in as a miss? so far so good but ive heard that it is gambling:)))
U mean to say that U have been........ never...................its not...............
...is it, no...............I don't believe U.................... never in my wildest dreams............
...............Ur not ......................GAMBLING ARE U? ?
Bloody hell. :-[
@Tomla102
Are U playing George's (Nod to Compa) original Topic posting
on this second Dozen now?
What's Ur game plan?
im playing it, the dozens thing in conjunction with my own silly thing on EC's that ive been using for a couple of months--they seem to work well in conjuction---in reality its not a ton of test spins or hours but i do play it in real casinos in ct. usa----used to play craps and have been experimenting w bringing my idea to roulette even though the odds suck--lol
another 15 units apprx.
yup, the compa thing
another plus 10 units last night with some good heartbeats:))))) (little probs)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jan 09, 09:03 PM 2011
im playing it, the dozens thing in conjunction with my own silly thing on EC's that ive been using for a couple of months--they seem to work well in conjuction---in reality its not a ton of test spins or hours but i do play it in real casinos in ct. usa----used to play craps and have been experimenting w bringing my idea to roulette even though the odds suck--lol
Whats Ur "Little EC thingy" then?
Expand a little, or better still, a screen shot would be good of Ur bet placement. :thumbsup:
thingy system:::,, i play all ec' red /black, even/ odd.....say two odds i play one unit 10 on even, if win wait , if loss marty 20... if win finito if loss wait for a change in even /odd and then for two of the same again and go opposite...but i parlay now and need 2 wins to finish 15, 15, 20, 30, 40, 50.........,,, if im on step 3-4 etc etc i count chips if the other ec has been winning and im even or ahead might only wait for 1 win instead of parlay......it makes money on the times when all 3 ec's are hitting within the first 2 times
to GLC--thanks for all you do! cheers, merci beucoup, tres bien,, aciu, thank you,and what ever else you do
cheers george
Any update on this system? Seems as if some were having pretty good luck with it.