It seems to me there are still many people who still believe in w3m. . . and they have started to join these forums to search out for some answers on the CWB or CWS-Bet because currently w3m is closed. . . . .
Well i dont really care if w3m is a scam or real. . . . i have started this thread so people could discuss, share ideas, on how to find the CWB (if thats wat people want to believe in then so be it. )
In this thread you can discuss anything u wish about w3m or the CWB. . . . . i hope this will help people find what they are searching for. . . . . If any proffessionals are reading this i hope you could kindly contribute too. . . .
This thread will continue the discusion of the closed forum on w3m. . . . . . To roulette cc admins, i do not wish to stir things up. . . . All i want from this thread is people openly share their thoughts to finding the CWB. . . . and hopefully one or all of us will find it. . . (even if there is or not, time will tell). This thread will be a good learning experience for all. . . .
Also if Dobidobido would share some info that would be welcome too. . . . . . This thread is not an arguement if w3m is a scam or not. . . . its only goal is to find the elusive winning bet. . . . please stick to topic . . . . . if dont believe in one please do not post. . . .
I have started this thread in hopes of positive things would come out. . . . and for people to learn for themselves what they think is right or wrong. . . .
I hope roulette cc admins/moderator can fair on this. . . .
So here it is everyone, what you all been waiting for. . . .
Warning! ( I DO NOT CLAIM OR SUPPORT W3M IS REAL, WHAT U BELIEVE IS AT UR OWN RISK) all i want is for ppl to work together, brainstorm and hopefully there is a way. . . .
Quoteall I want is for people to work together, brainstorm and hopefully there is a way...
Kindly start another thread without ANY reference to W3M.
Possible title, "Finding the Bet".
THis exact topic and thread was discussed at length on VLS for about a year straight. Go to VLSroulette. com and you will find over 25+ pages of it. It got to the point of being ridiculous and a circus. Most people have no interest in doing it again. Only the rookies.
Win 3 million needs to be thrown to where it belongs: to the trash can.
I won't purge the scam threads, but let's cut the perpetuation of the idea of a W3M bet.
You are free to pursue the bet in a new thread telling only the principles of the bets disregarding any W3M references.
Thank you.
Please notice we aren't telling you NOT to debate ideas for a bet, just not to stir-up any further debate on the W3M bet, since there's none.
Feel free to talk, discuss, communicate, incur in brainstorming... I don't know how else put it, in one word, use the forum to elaborate on any bet you wish.
...Just let's cut the W3M mentioning.
Our BET SELECTION section is open for your thread:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/)
If i disregard w3m out of the thread then the thread is useless.....
What im tryin to do is let people share their ideas and thoughts without being scared to discuss it in public......Some people are still finding this bet, and the only way they learn is to learn the hard way.....
We all know that w3m has scammed at least 2 known person that is funboy and barcode (his nick looks like a barcode) So if people still doesnt believe in this fact then its up to them....They have been warn, let them learn the hard way......
What i want is to teach ppl to think for themselves and maybe searching for this CWB from the use of w3m info there may be a new way or lead in finding a truely useful bet....
I hope you understand, please let this thread run ....
There is no harm in people discussin information, i will warn them again that what you believe is at your own risk....
What i seek is a positive outcome to this, if people are inspire then its a good thing....they are learning to work hard ....one day they will know for sure, and have learn some good things out of this....bad or goood.....
As for this thread have been on vls before, this is diff.....its for people who dont want to give up.....for people who wants to know for sure themselves and this is the only way....
TNT, this is positive reinforcement to the idea of W3M having anything of value. There's none.
Any perpetuation of even the slightest value on the scam will only push the likes of Charles and his alter-ego Simon to prepare ground for new bets and new scams... perhaps getting back as claiming Charles is the real deal and he was given the bet. yadda, yadda.
EVERY forum where w3m is discusses degradates, let's cut it right here.
If you deal with poo poo, you are going to be tainted. We don't want to deal with poo poo here. So this thread is going to be severed OR you start a fresh one.
Is it really that hard?
"Charles said to trap RUNS and CHANGES."
Versus:
"We must aim for a bet that traps RUNS and CHANGES."
Presto!
If you really need to mention Win 3 million, then I'm sorry, that won't happen.
Feel free to discuss any bet you wish, just leave any positive reinforcement on the W3M bet. That is the most disrespectful thing to make in consideration for those people who were scammed.
Regards.
To VLS,
Ok, i will start a new topic but i wont mention w3m.......is that the only thing i cannot mention??
is w3m.....anything else u might like to add b4 i start up the new topic...
Thank you TNT.
This is a Roulette Systems forum so there's nothing better to have it running in good path than coming together to make better systems for roulette.
You wanting to develop a bet is very appreciated.
Quote from: TNT on Dec 12, 11:36 AM 2010
is w3m.....anything else you might like to add b4 I start up the new topic...
You are free to discuss ANY idea for a bet, no matter how simple or intricate. Just tell us about the procedure you have in mind and let's run at your new thread!
Cheers and many thanks!
Victor
Thanks, i will start a new thread called "Bet Within a Bet" in bet selection this thread will allow people who have follow w3m for yrs and who wishes to continue their search....
I will not mention w3m in my thread and warn people not to mention his site.....from now it will be refer to charles site....
If this is not ok with u then please let me know....i hope u can understand its hard to discuss a topic with refering to the topic...
i will also continue to state w3m has scammed people, and if u want to waste ur time and effort then be at ur own risk....this is an open discussion to seek the dream you all want.....U have been warned?
Yes but Victor . . . .
Even if the W3M name will not be posted here. . . . If a person is looking for a CWB it is the way of the scam W3m. . . . . so post the name or not . . . . ITS THE SAME!
These fake Bets have started having an existance ONLY when the W3M site were crated in order to scam ppl. . . .
So I don t see the deference.
OK TNT, I have made an adjustment to the forum's software so that whenever there is "win 3 million" mention the word scam is added.
Now feel free to debate as you wish! Mentions get the word scam by it so no newcomer can miss it!
I wish I had thought of this some time ago :\
hahahaha LOL.....i like your style VLS !
Well, i dont think anyone will post because they are all secretive for some reasons?? Anyways, i hope this will be a good discussion for people who still think there is a winning bet....
Im going to sleep now, i will check in tomolo to see if theres any progress.....i may have to contribute something to get this started....
Good night everyone
Quote from: TNT on Dec 12, 12:08 PM 2010
Hahahaha LoL.....i like your style VLS !
Well, now if Charles wants to stir the pot about his site in this forum unders different names, he would only be assisting in spreading the word about the scam :)
He must be loving this forum adjustment! :)
Quote from: TNT on Dec 12, 12:08 PM 2010Good night everyone
Have a fine rest.
It seems to me that the title of this thread isn't much of an improvement over the last one on this subject. If it's a scam, doesn't that mean that there was never a bet? ???
So how can it be found?
And I thought all reference to "w3m" was going to be removed?
Also, could someone explain what is meant by "consistent winning bet"?
How is this different from a winning system?
This idea that TNT is proposing is useless. This has already been discussed for close to one year straight on VLS before TNT was ever a member. It was debating and people thinking of ideas of a "bet within a bet. " Eventually, it reached a brickwall b/c no one could come up with anything after one thousand different ideas and tons and tons of testing. To satisfy TNT, all you have to do is post a link to the w3m scam scam threrad on VLS and everything will be there, over 200 posts worth of garbage
I just been enlighten, i would like to make an public apologie to Dobidobido....after reading his post on the results i realise i have not read properly when barcode reveal the bet....
How stupid i feel.....anyways it does match and it is a very simple bet, i have test it with another result and it is a winner so far?? Further testing will prove it is legit......
Now im having second thoughts maybe w3m is real??? If it was a scam, how come only 2 people so far is coming forward???
Anyways......who knows the truth?? I only believe what i can apply and see for myself....
Sorry again to Dobidobido, he was tellin the truth......
Now we all know the bet, i dont see why we need to work so hard to come up with a system??
Anyways....Good luck
P.s......to barcode, this thread is not useless........as Dobidobido prove u wrong....obviously u have not tested what he told u and came to conclusion too soon???
....... I also apologize to Dobidobido, I thought that whenn they were talking about the " Match " thing that they were refering to the content of the w3m scam website and the guestbook. Now I see it has to do with the permenanzen.
Sorry Dobidobido!!
However think about this, if this is the bet and it works why would the others not have received it...... and probaly it is no scam then.........??
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: TNT on Dec 13, 12:45 AM 2010
Now I'm having second thoughts maybe w3m scam is real???
TNT, you are being "pushy" on the w3m scam being real, which flags you as possibly having an agenda.
Another insinuation/mention and your account is gone.
We only want and need to depict Charles Scammer as what he clearly is.
This is the only treatment Charles deserves and is the Standard for forums.
Precedent is here:
link:://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/why-was-my-post-deledted/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/why-was-my-post-deledted/)
Quote from: Bayes on Dec 12, 12:13 PM 2010
And I thought all reference to "w3m scam" was going to be removed?
As per the above link, we go by this:
Quote from: Steve on Nov 29, 08:32 PM 2010
mods:when it is people exposing w3m scam as pure scam, we'll permit it. But if it is promotion of that freak ceh, we have to remove it to protect people. Everyone should know I don't censor much, but w3m scam is as clear a scam as it gets.
Source (link:://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/why-was-my-post-deledted/)
To VLS, note taken....
I am not reinforcing anything i am simply questioning myself........i dont have any hidden agenda, im only here to find a way to win at roulette.....
Can someone explain what the scammer means when he said.....allow me to tell you once and forever you can only find a way to beat the game not the odds
Now when he says you cant beat the odds......what does he really mean??
Can someone give me an example of tryin to beat the odds.....
To me my understanding is that i have to engineer a bet which win small when hit but lose more when miss......but....?? if u play this in the long run it will turn to positive results...
eG....Say im bettin on 2 dozen each spin......i only win 1 when hit and lose 2 when miss.....but if i can find a way to hit more then i miss then this would be a winner???
Example....everytime i lose is 2 units but in say in 5 spins i will lose once.....1/5 = lose 2 units
and 4/5 win 4 units....
therefore 4 - 2 units = profit of 2 units....
Now if this was true in 100 spins i will make a profit....
So is this what he meant by findin a bet to beat the game not the odds???
Can someone help?
TNT you are saying yourself that HE IS A SCAM!
So how on earth you want explanation of what he was posting on his scaming site?
The man posted in his site whatever his head was telling him to post....
So all these just don't have any meaning!!!!!
Please man just get out of this mind trap..... it is killing you!!!
This is rediculus mate... Charles the scam has NO Winning Bet...because winning bets don t exit!
You yourself witness the scamming oporation of him! He took the money and he left! He also deleted everything in his site!!!
The title of this Topic is : w3m scam - finding the bet LOL
Hoe can you find something that it is a scam!!!!!!!!!!
im just tryin to find a winning bet......isnt that what we are all here for?
Even if he is a scammer i will make this bad thing into a good thing by findin this winning bet!
The CONSEPT of the winning bet as you say it was Charles Scammer idea!
This idea not only the logic say that can t happen...but the same Charles Scammer prooved that it is a scam because he left with the money!!!\
So how can why find something that doesn't exist????????????
Ps. I have always said that Charles biggest part of his scam is NOT the money that he steals!
But the brains of the humans that he destroys!!!!
What has happened to you is exactly this brain destraction!
Well, lets try and do our best......and see for ourselves??
Doesnt hurt .....to think of ways to possibly win....
I mean if his a scammer, then shame on him if his not then its still good! we have a 50/50 chance of success!!
If we dont try that is 0 percent fail....lol
Well, dont worry about him.....just think of ideas.....make it flow.....and who knows we might discover something??
Focus on a way...are u with me or not ??
lol.....i guess if ur not then im postin this to myself....hahahaha
Its not that I am not with you :)
Its that I am not with BULLS$ITS!
I just tryed to help you ...like I tryed to help the ppl that finally paied the SCAMMER!
Its ur time to lose mate...
Thanx VIP
It nice to see u helpin ppl out......lets just move on, do u know any systems or method to win at roulette......if u do, i hope its simple because i dont really like the heavy crazy stuff ppl come up with these days....
Too complicated to work out.....lol, if u noe wat i mean??
LoL
Oh my God! I can t believe that I am hearing these things...
Why are u laughing ???
I dont understand? why do people come into this forum when they dont believe there could be a system or method to win at roulette....
Why are u in here anyways VIP?
Ok man...you got me! :D
Thread reopen
Please, continue :thumbsup:
Yes lets continue!!
According to CEH a 30 x 100 spins testing is a good standard test.....I want to know if anyone knows what positive results is good to say its consistent winner??
I mean after 100 spins test what is the average you should look for?? 3+ or 5+ or 10+ or 20+ units??
Hi TNT
It depends on the advantage you have.
If you are winning 1 in 5 than you will be 20 units up over 100 spins
This is what Charle's said.
Cheers,
Steve
Yeh i know and remember all the info he has given.....but like he said thats just an example.....
What if im winning say average between 7- 10 unit profit....is that still good?
Or it has to be at least 20 plus?