Post your experiences here, preferably with proof.
i.e. Wire transfer scan, emails, etc.
This thread serves as a "fresh start" of the former:
A LIST OF TESTIMONIES OF THOSE SCAMMED BY WIN 3 MILLION (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/a-list-of-testimonies-of-those-scammed-by-/)
All off-topic comments risk removal, kindly keep it on-topic.
Regards.
Quote from: VLS on Dec 12, 10:09 AM 2010
i.e. Wire transfer scan
Of course, you are free to blur your name. (i.e. just put a stripe of paper on it when scanning).
It's the recipient's name and account number what matters for comparison.
Those can then be published at Scam.com to warn more people.
First is the instructions for payment, I have removed my name, and the pin code (so w3m scam doesn't know who posted this). Second is the email that was sent after payment.
Dear (My Name),
PIN Code: (xxxxx)
Thank you for your application to join the PPPC.
You have been provisionally accepted.
To enable us to complete your application could you please forward your
processing fee of Ã,£335 as per the instructions below.
For security reasons we can only accept this one method of
payment - A Bank to Bank transfer.
We can not accept any alternatives.
You can pay into your Bank or any Bank, anywhere in the world and request them
to transfer your fee to the PPPC Account as detailed below.
Yours sincerely,
Elizabeth
Team PPPC
Note:- Your Bank will charge you a transfer fee which will be in addition to your processing fee. The PPPC must receive the full Ã,£335. GBP.
It can take up to 4 days for banks to fully effect this transaction.
We will confirm your payment as soon as we are notified by the PPPC Bank.
You will appreciate we are very busy at this time, please help us by being patient and keeping emails to a bare minimum.
To ensure accuracy please take the printed secition below to your own, or any Bank. DO NOT USE MONEY TRANSFER SERVICES
Thank You.
PPPC Bank is : HSBC. Bank:
Amount to transfer: Ã,£335. 00 GBP.
Account Name: PPPC
Account. : 71560247
Sort Code. : 40-25-03
***************
Dear (My Name)
Thank you,
We can confirm the receipt of your Application Processing fee.
As you know all applications are dealt with by hand. Many factors have to be collated
and checked to ensure no one of dubious character can join this club.
This background checking must be comprehensive and can take up to five or six weeks to complete in some cases. The Local Leaders will make the final report.
We will of course endeavour to be as expedient as we can in everyones interest. Your patience will be appreciated.
Please remember that email enquiries or asking for progress reports are not necessary, and can only serve to slow down the processing procedure.
Every endeavour will be made to ensure the PPPC is the perfect club for members.
We trust our next email to you will be the one you deserve.
Take care
Elizabeth
Team PPPC.
I also have kept record of every email dating from last year until now.
Proof enough for you?
Thank you,
Funboy
Thank you for allowing me to share my experience here on the forum about w3m, however I feel as though it's not very welcome, maybe because?? certain members cant help themselves and have to make unnecessary posts, which causes it all to get out of hand.
Nevertheless thank you. I really hoped more people posted their scam stories, as I wanted to see how much money they would have made. I may start a website directly aimed at them (thats how strongly i feel about this matter).
I may have offended some people, I'm sorry if i did. Good luck in your search or simply idea swapping.
I don't think i'll be on here much longer unless others have questions about my experience.
Funboy
Thanks for posting Funboy, it is indeed important to warn others.
If you make that website be certain we would like to link to it.
Also, a scan of the transfer's physical voucher would make wonders to deliver your point and how disgusted you are.
Charles did it with the Boffins scam. then the win3million and if he tries to pull it again, it is important there is precedent.
Good thing about the internet is that what you publish is forever, with every dubious post "out there" in other people's hardrives and the caches/archives Charles exposed himself.
International Money Transfers - receipt
The following International Money Transfer has been accepted for processing.
Receipt number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Transaction date: 30/09/2010 0X:XX:XX AM XXXXX time
1 Your details:
From account: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Name: XXX
Home address: XXX
XXX
XXX
XXX
XXX
Phone: XXX
Mobile: XXX
Email address: XXX
Mailing address: XXX
XXX
XXX
XXX
XXX
Phone: XXX
2 Payment details:
Country: UNITED KINGDOM
Currency of transfer: GBP
Remittance Type: Credit account
Amount in that currency: 335. 00
Exchange rate: 0. 5922
$A payment amount: 565. 69
Transfer fee ($A): 22. 00
Total amount to be debited from your account ($A): 587. 69
Description or purpose of payment: PPPC Processing fee
3 Beneficiary details:
Name: PPPC
Address: NONE
UNITED KINGDOM
Phone:
Account name: PPPC
Account number: GB12MIDL40250371560247
Country: UNITED KINGDOM
Bank name: HSBC BANK PLC
Branch / location: HOVE CHURCH ROAD / 125 CHURCH ROAD
City / State: HOVE / HOVE
Bank Codes: BIC MIDLGB2112R
XXX - Replaced the things I felt I should keep private.
Funboy
That puts things into sharp focus doesn't folk- Over $562 bucks- WoW.
Have U approached the bank- (Stopid question I guess, of course u have)?
Maybe get in touch with the FSA (FINANCIAL SERVICES AUTHORITY) here in the UK because they take a dim view of Non UK residents getting scammed by the people of this country, plus, in legal terms, the bank maybe at fault, b/c There where no goods/services received for the exchange of these monies.
They regulate the City Of London- the square mile as its know, )and the rest of the UK with regard to money, money transfers, banks, financial institutions etc.
Send them an email first.
I required, (but I would prefer all members to conduct there own research first)
I know of a systems programmer who works at the FSA, so I could drop him a line if the need arises.
Happy to help wherever and whenever I can with regard to this injustice.
Chris
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Chrisbis,
Thanks for the advice, I'm currently in the process of disputing this with my bank.
Let us know how it goes Funboy.
I am interested to find out if your bank is willing to help you. And with the info that Chrisbis posted that should help aid others as well.
Quote from: Funboy on Dec 13, 03:00 AM 2010
Chrisbis,
Thanks for the advice, I'm currently in the process of disputing this with my bank.
Its is quite simply fraud.
More accurately fraud by one of the banks customers, aided and abetted by the bank itself.
The members of this forum (and anyone visiting and viewing as a guest- (Hi there)) who have been robbed of their monies this way via a bank/card,
could (and I repeat could) go after their return of funds though the Money Protection programme that stops money laundering.
All major countries have a policies on this.
USA members should lobby there Governors and Senators, they love to get hold of this sort of thing, esp if more than one or two of U guys who have been scammed get together to bring a Class action against the financial provider. (Who every that was)
UK guys should be thinking Cameron and Clegg (They need a good story from somewhere at the moment- this is how they are Bourne)
Use this forum guys, to coordinate Ur RESPONSE, and Attack plan.
Sign an avidavid together, book a lawyer for a few letters, and get Ur-self organised into a useful group.
If any of U have connection with the media- (Esioto here in Aus), or TV companies, production houses, PR companies, then get this story out.
Gambling is a huge business, that the industry at large will not want to see this sort of thing going on.
The casino's if approached correctly, could pull out a real coo here- I can imagine, a few Vegas/Euro casino's and some of the big betting companies, getting together over the festive holidays, putting together a hardship fund for the people who were scammed of their money, and bringing about a join marketing and PR stunt that will be remembered for a while, and be good news story for the On-line and B&M casino businesses.
U can imagine the PR they would get from this.
But, and I mean But--- U all need to work Fast, Together, Co-ordinated, (if anyone needs a metafore here- just think of the
Julia Roberts -
Erin Brockovich Film.
Get some media news on this immediately- local, regional and National.
Do not for one second think there will be any shame attached to this.
We are nearly in year 2011, and things have moved on.
Nobody like to see someone "Getting away with it"
Some from USA- sent Barrack Obama a email for goodness sake.
cheers chris
Well forum.
I'm really surprised not one of U had anything to say about the above post of mine.
I would have hoped it could have galvanized a marching army of help, goodwill and support at the very least.
I'll prob get in trouble now for saying so, but to say I'm disappointed- would put it very mildly indeed.
This huge 'hall' of brilliance, excellence, and responsable posting, was (so I had wanted) to be fulcrum point and starting line of an new understanding in support and help for our fellow Roulette players.
I know that In the main, the "scammed" Roulette players are 'new' members, but don't we owe them something, in return for increasing the swollen membership in here?
Standing at over 700 fellows, this is THE place to be for information, testing, system ideas, new lateral thinking (and thinkers) on the Alternative Beautiful Game (football is the first beaut game!)
U know, in reality, If I'm going to be honest, I'm now ashamed I wrote the post above, because I thought that I was not only speaking from my heart (a pounding, thumping beast of a muscle and tubes and tissue), I also thought I would be speaking with the Heart & Soul of the forum that I have come to love.
I live & breathe for this hallowed place, and I foresaw, the need, the desperate clambering requirement, for the community to be just that- A COMMUNITY.
One that comes together, offers support, friendship, ......yes critique sometimes too, of the way people handle themselves- but that's done in the true spirit as outline by Esioto, of wanting to establish the baseline of trust, decency, honesty, forgiveness, and above all, a place where established, recent or brand spanking new members can feel safe in the knowledge, that this is the place to come, for fellowship, and help.
After Funboys first post on the w3m and PPPC subject, (since I was not party to the event), I have been wrestling here with my thoughts, contemplating, not what the next new bet system is going to pop into my head, not Y has the Tipping TooL not been finally released, and certainly not, Y are there members having duplicate and triplicate account opportunities--No.......................I have been trying to think, what can I do to help these Roulette Players who have paid good monies for a bet/product... that was never going to be sent to them, further more, is a system, that quite frankly has been seen here and in many forums before.
So Roulette Forum.cc...............................in the words of somebody famous somewhere, saying something Like this.................
What can WE do to help these chaps/chapesses to get there monies back? HUH?
(if I get in trouble for my spoken word (text) then forgive me forum, and Global Mods, my brains in overload on this subject at the moment, but Im sure Esioto, is sending the right tablets over to me as we read together.)
(Thank You to anyone who reads this message, It is purely my thoughts- mine alone, and maybe, just maybe....................Im a little "strong" on the issue)
If anyone wants to know how U get grey text, since the colour/color is not listed in the 'Change Color' option box, select a color like red, then manually replace the color word, with the word- grey.
Cheers all......................................going have a whisky now. love U all. Chris
Chris, your post is surely heartfelt.
I too wanted to see more of the affected members come forward and take action.
All we can do is wait and see if someone else wants to pursue. So far only funboy :-\
So, dear fellows, those who complained to me about the other thread being closed, those who communicated being scammed and who needed a channel to expose their case (and now probably to make it a prosecutable case) the path for exposing is here.
This thread shall remain open, it won't be locked, so since you've been affected feel free to open your case; there are fellows around who can advice you on the next curse of action, i.e. Chris' friend at the FSA.
Take the opportunity. It's YOUR call now!
How people could fall for this sicko? I don't get it." Blah-blah-blah forums are danger, don't go to forums, come to me...." I really did not think that anyone could buy it seriously. He with his website was looking like nuts for sure. And this "consistent bet". It doesn't exist, roulette all is about balance, no certain consistent bet. Who would risk his money for some crazy dirty mouth which only blames others and finds conspiracy everywhere in everyone but himself? and gives compliments only to himself and some imaginary Simon and Helen? Some imaginary letters from everywhere in the world...
holy molly I am upset. If I just knew people take him seriously I would ask to open a section "Don't buy anything from the crazy scammer Charlie". He sure looked ridiculous and it would be fun if it was not so sad that this nuts was able to steal something from those naive people. >:(
How do you expect anyone to come forward and voice their opinion or try and rally together when people make ignorant statements like IGGIV is doing.
OK already, we get the point that you would not have "fell" for the scam. But at least be heartfelt to others who did. Do not mock them/us. I am sure you are not perfect and have made mistakes before during your life.
But you know what they say "you live and you learn" Stop being so negative and making people feel embarrassed about what happened.
I won't be coming here anymore to post. Like i said If anyone is wondering what my next step is, it's to see if i can get my money back, perhaps you could try as well.
Thank you,
Funboy
Again, I had EXACTLY the same e-mails that Funboy had. Exactly.
Provisionally accepted.
Don't contact us by e-mail it will slow us down.
The thing that pisses me off is that scoundrel has personal information of mine.
The copy was so brilliant. And after I adopted some of Charlie Scammer's advice, I did play better. So Funboy, don't take it personally that some people on here are ridiculing us.
God bless them. Funboy you made me feel a whole lot better because you had the guts to admit it.
If one had never made admitted to making a mistake, one has never achieved anything,
because one has never risked anything.
Thank you Chrisbis for your support. Thank you VLS and esoito for being fair.
I want to help others not get scammed by Charlie Scammer.
"""So Funboy, don't take it personally that some people on here are ridiculing us.
God bless them."""
thanks mate :D
I did worned you all a lot of times!!!!
So who is the bad and who is the good now?
@Iggiv
What a remarkably unhelpful post that was. >:(
Rubbing salt into the wound is not the way to go when people are hurting. (Shakes head in disgust...)
@ BigEZ
Well done, BigEZ. Good to see a sensible, kind, supportive post. :thumbsup:
@Funboy et alia
Further suggestions:
1 Be sure to contact the police in your country.
* They all have fraud squads capable of taking up the cudgels if you can provide them with documentary evidence of fraud.
* They talk with each other.
* And they can involve Interpol if appropriate.
2 See if you can find a lawyer who will work pro bono on your behalf.
Caveat emptor. .
If any member requires the services of my legal team, feel free to ask.
My heartfelt sympathies are extended to all scammed forum members.
Consider any monies lost as 'tuition fees' in the University of Life.
Roulette, like the beguiling striptease, has always been a display of the power of suggestion.
There but for the grace of 'conmen' sense go I.
Although, how anyone could be taken in by that errant Charlatan is somewhat beyond me.
Immaculate 'deception' ? As if. The man's an imbecile.
I knew Mr 'hampshite' was a scoundrel the moment he published defematory remarks amount myself.
He obviously felt threatened by a genuine roulette aficionado.
Fac ut vivas!!!
People, I can see that you misunderstand what I said. I never try to hurt or abuse those scammed by this jerk. On the contrary I feel sympathy to them, and this post was out of anger -- why would they trust him? Why they would not ask other people first. They would get an advice not go for it.
i apologize if someone takes it as desire to look superior. Not at all. I made this post because I am NOT INDIFFIRENT for God's sake. Anyone who knows me, knows that I like to help people.
but now I don't know how to help them! I could help them BEFORE when they had their intention to handle their money to this bastard. But then nobody asked this seriousy: folks, is it worth to go to him with hope to win in roulette? NO! everybody tried to solve the mistery of "consistent bet" and many people just laughed at crazy Charlie. I was sure that his stories about his "club members" are only his fairy tales.
DO you UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? DO you UNDERSTAND MY MOTIVES? I know my post doesn't help anyone, but honestly I have big doubts someone will be able to catch this con artist.
i sincerely wish they would.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 14, 10:30 AM 2010Anyone who knows me, knows that I like to help people.
100%.
Igal is one of the finest I've had the pleasure to talk to :thumbsup:
Quote from: esoito on Dec 14, 03:43 AM 2010
@Iggiv
What a remarkably unhelpful post that was. >:(
Rubbing salt into the wound is not the way to go when people are hurting. (Shakes head in disgust...)
@ BigEZ
Well done, BigEZ. Good to see a sensible, kind, supportive post. :thumbsup:
thank you very much. maybe it was unhelpful, but at least i said what i wanted to say.
and maybe it won't help victims of crazy Charlie, but i hope it will help those who think to handle some serious amount money to the next con artist. ASK PEOPLE FIRST. don't be naive in your hopes someone will give u a golden mine for a few hundred bucks just because he is a big mouth. that's my
point. period.
i am not gloating. have never been. on the contrary. i feel anger i can't help them now but i could help them before, and nobody asked me (and other people).
Canuck, Funboy and others. I did not ridicule you. More than that. I had some correspondence with some of you in some hope maybe to help somehow.
but calling u naive is not desire to offend u. I could be naive myself when i was newbie not long time ago. I also gave some money to scammers. Yes i did. but these were mostly small amounts of money.
and i lost in roulette more than u lost with Charlie. yes, i also was naive, no doubt about it. I am not superior to anyone here.
but what i can see -- people can't take some facts and can't see real motives behind other people opinions. They come in defensive position and feel hurt even if nobody intended to hurt them or attack them.
Vic, thanx bud.
yes, and i still do feel anger that i can't help here NOW but i was able to help just not long time ago and nobody asked for it. i am not even sure at whom i feel this anger -- at people that did not ask my (and Victor's, and others) advice, or at myself that i thought that Charlie can't get any serious money from anyone just by telling his crazy fairy tales
Can some one lock this topic already? People got scamed :o Big deal. It happens all the time. Get over with it. This topic is spaming main page.