Hi, I live in the United States and I really want to play at Betvoyager but I can't. Every goddamn casino that accepts US players has cheating RNG software and offers shitty limits. The UK online casinos are regulated and Betvoyager has a honest RNG.
Has any other USA players found a way around this?
I was able to open an account saying I was from the UK but I can't deposit. Moneybookers and all the other ewallets know I'm from the USA and block my deposits.
If there are any honest roulette casinos that offer USA players, please let me know or if anyone knows a way to play at Betvoyager please shoot me a message. Thanks guys
Wouldn't this sort of blocking Breach Free Trade Agreements?
Is it possible for U to use a piece of software like TEAMVIEWER
and have some else place the bets for U on Ur behalf?
Could set up an instant messaging chat line up for the results, and lay the bets for U.
Has anyone else ever done this before?
I think it's actually violates our constitutional right. Who is the United States Government to tell me what I can and can't do in my own home. If I want to play a game on my computer in my home it's not the governments right to tell me I cant do that, but they somehow have.
What's even worse is that they are letting casinos that are cheating and stealing peoples money stay online but honest and fair casinos are banned. It's messed up.
Sounds it.
Could playing with a mobile dongle help in anyway? (internet mobile connection)
The problem is not opening a account, I have a betvoyager account. The problem is depositing. My credit card and bank accounts are in the United States and all the ewallets wont let you deposit to casinos if you are in the States.
I'm in the process of trying another method, I signed up for a webmoney account and bought a wmz card online. I'm waiting to receive the info in a couple days. I might be able to deposit that way. We'll see. But I was just wondering if anyone else has found a way around this.
Maybe I can open up a bank account online in the UK or some other country? That might work. I'll look into it.
Perhaps I may be of assistance.
I have helped members from the USA deposit into BV.
The process is very simple.
Members from the USA that find it hard to deposit into BV.
Can contact me on Skype. thomasgrant
Then they send me money into my PayPal account.
I put the money into their BV account via Neteller.
Taking out money is even easier.
I send them money via my Paypal account.
As I have my PayPal linked to my Neteller debit card.
I charge a flat rate of $20 for transaction.
As I loose a fair bit in money transfers.
This is only for Deposits.
Not for withdraws.
Up to those that members from the USA to contact me.
If they wish me to do this for them.
I have done this before.
And can send info of members that I have done it for.
Alternatively...
One of the members told me that one of the payment options.
Worked for them.
But I forgot what one.
That would be awesome. I'm working on WebMoney right now. i purchased some wmz credits and am waiting for the approval on it. If that works I should be able to deposit, if not I will definitely contact you and be sending you money.
Thanks for the help, I've been working on this problem for a long time now and finally have some help. I really appreciate it!
Just wanted to make a quick update. I did find a way to deposit, it's very simple actually. The only problem will be withdrawing money and when it comes time for that I will probably be contacting Thomas Grant.
If anyone wants to know how to do it, send me a pm. I don't want to post it on the open forum because U. S players are not supposed to be playing on there and I don't want to loose my playing opportunity just in case too many people start doing it and start causing problems or something. It is honestly the best online casino I have ever played at and I am incredibly lucky to have figured this out. It's also nice to be able to play online and not have to worry about getting cheated.
The only thing the anti gambling law did was help cheating casinos take more money from people. The true online casinos that follow the rules went away and the bad ones stayed of course without any regulation or consequences for their actions.
Quote from: N0vocane on Jan 03, 01:59 AM 2011
Just wanted to make a quick update. I did find a way to deposit, it's very simple actually. The only problem will be withdrawing money and when it comes time for that I will probably be contacting Thomas Grant.
If anyone wants to know how to do it, send me a pm. I don't want to post it on the open forum because U. S players are not supposed to be playing on there and I don't want to lose my playing opportunity just in case too many people start doing it and start causing problems or something. It is honestly the best online casino I have ever played at and I am incredibly lucky to have figured this out. It's also nice to be able to play online and not have to worry about getting cheated.
The only thing the anti gambling law did was help cheating casinos take more money from people. The true online casinos that follow the rules went away and the bad ones stayed of course without any regulation or consequences for their actions.
Great news...
Could you send me a pm please with the information on how you figured it out.
So I could post it for US members under my name.
That way, you wont get blamed.
If that is ok with you that is.
Or just send me the pm.
And I will keep it to myself.
For future reference for US players that contact me.
Iââ,¬â,,¢m also a frustrated US citizen who wants to play at Bet Voyager! Youââ,¬â,,¢ve got to love this casino for offering players low minimum wagers and a LEGITIMATE RNG !! Unfortunately, as Americans we canââ,¬â,,¢t play there coz weââ,¬â,,¢ve elected ourselves a pathetic group of bloated bureaucrats with crap for brains. This ridiculous law went into effect to appease a bunch of wealthy, crybaby, Washington lobbyists representing the brick & mortar casino industry in Nevada, New Jersey, and a few other states. There is currently a bill (HR2267) in congress that would legalize online gambling in the US. For more info Google HR2267. Call, write, or send a petition to your congressman to show support for this legislation. Maybe we can put an end to this nonsense.
It amazes me that such a Free Country as yours stops you spending your money how you please (within reason of course)
I would die if that day happened in England. But somehow I think it would be illegal or against our human rights blah blah if you know what I mean.
As for BV I can vouch for them. I played their No Zero Roulette today and, as they say, if they try and swiddle you the checksum will be out. Very fair casino. Infact the ONLY RNG I would play.
Hope our Friends across the Pond find themselves in a better position to play soon !!!
Quote from: Twisteruk link=topic=3172. msg30244#msg30244 date=1294071759
It amazes me that such a Free Country as yours stops you spending your money how you please (within reason of course)
I would die if that day happened in England. But somehow I think it would be illegal or against our human rights blah blah if you know what I mean.
As for BV I can vouch for them. I played their No Zero Roulette today and, as they say, if they try and swiddle you the checksum will be out. Very fair casino. Infact the ONLY RNG I would play.
Hope our Friends across the Pond find themselves in a better position to play soon !!!
It's sad but true,twisteruk. They overtax us and then want to control how we spend what little is left over. It really sucks!!
For those of you who donââ,¬â,,¢t already know the story and may be interested, hereââ,¬â,,¢s how it all went down. In 2006 GW Bush was pushing some piece of legislation and didnââ,¬â,,¢t have the necessary votes for passage. He had to cut a few back room deals with congress and one of those deals was the internet gambling law. In other words, politics as usual! This law really sucks unless you own a casino in Vegas, Atlantic City, or your a member of some fanatical religious group that opposes gambling. The feds left the enforcement of this law up to the individual states. 40 of the 50 states, blew it off and refused to enforce it. However, hereââ,¬â,,¢s the real kicker, these federal Nit Wits also made it illegal for American Financial Institutions to process online casino transactions. So, weââ,¬â,,¢re screwed! Canââ,¬â,,¢t make deposits and withdrawals.
Well, I am here to assist ANY Player from the USA.
Any player that wishes any assistance.
In setting up an account.
In depositing money.
In withdrawing money.
Then you may if you wish.
Contact me on Skype: thomasgrant
And I will be more than glad to assist you.
I was finally able to make a Bet Voyager deposit with the help of Thomas Grant. I simply transferred money from my Paypal account to his and Thomas did the rest. It was a very smooth transaction. If youââ,¬â,,¢re a US citizen, this is probably the easiest and safest way to handle deposits and withdrawals. You can send Thomas a PM on this forum or contact him on Skype. thomasgrant
For Players from the USA.
You may also wish to read this.
QuoteUse webmoney, then I buy WME at link:://cg2wm.com/ (link:://cg2wm.com/) and they transfer the amount to my webmoney euro purse. Then I deposit through betvoyager. You can also use UKcash, but they only let you do 10euro max per day through web money. If you load your WME account the daily limit is like 1000 or something. Pretty easy
QuoteDo not deposit into a WMZ account or anything other than WME. Betvoyager only accepts WME payments from webmoney, only Euro. If you accidentally buy something other than WME, you would have to google a 3rd party to convert the currency for you and everyone that does webmoney currency conversion charges like 30-40% of total funds being converted. So you if accidentally buy WMZ you are better off withdrawing it and re-depositing than converting it to euros.
They also charge 90 euros for a bank wire, so webmoney is only good for depositing. People are going to need to find another way to withdrawal. Webmoney does offer a master card that you can transfer your account balance onto but you need to order it and it costs like 10 euros and probably take a couple weeks to get.
It is just another option.
Or you can contact me.
I'm wondering; even though they have the best random generator at Betvoyager, would that stop them from using cheating measures on their software? What's been your experience at Betvoyager?
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Dec 26, 11:39 PM 2010
Perhaps I may be of assistance.
I have helped members from the USA deposit into BV.
The process is very simple.
Members from the USA that find it hard to deposit into BV.
Can contact me on Skype. thomasgrant
Then they send me money into my PayPal account.
I put the money into their BV account via Neteller.
Thomas, could this be done by opening an account at Dublinet? I'm not even sure they'll alow a US player to play with real money if you were allowed to open an account with them.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 15, 10:04 AM 2011
Thomas, could this be done by opening an account at Dublinet? I'm not even sure they'll alow a US player to play with real money if you were allowed to open an account with them.
Well... I could have a go.
Or if that don't work.
You could send me money.
And I can send you my login details for Dublin Bet.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Jan 15, 02:18 PM 2011
Well... I could have a go.
Or if that don't work.
You could send me money.
And I can send you my login details for Dublin Bet.
Thomas, i'm up for it. Please let me know what i need to do, how to send you the money and any other info.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 15, 10:04 AM 2011
I'm not even sure they'll alow a US player to play with real money if you were allowed to open an account with them.
You may want to get an australian-based windows VPS and connect from there. The casino software would be
physically running on australian soil and you would only be fetching the desktop's real-time image + controlling the mouse remotely.
For instance:
link:://:.crucial.com.au/services-cloud-vps-windows-packages.php (link:://:.crucial.com.au/services-cloud-vps-windows-packages.php)
That would of course add $39/mo to the fees, but as far as they are concerned, they are servicing a customer connecting from an australia-based PC, and they won't know the actual wagering cursor is being operating from overseas.
Interesting. But still, i would need Neteller, or something like that............because i won't be able to use US adress, right?
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 17, 10:50 AM 2011
Interesting. But still, I would need Neteller, or something like that............because I won't be able to use US adress, right?
Perhaps you could use something like Hide_my_ass. I think Victor posted that somewhere.
Or hide my IP.
Something I have.
And have used.
Why not contact me.
On skype. thomasgrant
Or go to the Dublin Bet site.
And see if you can login as a quest.
Or for free.
If you don't know how to do this.
I will post a video for it soon.
HideMyIP uses proxy servers. Its good for viewing websites but not for real hiding your location.
1. Most proxies are slow. Not very good for live play.
2. Most proxies don't allow to stream live video.
3. It can be easily identified as proxy and traced further to your ISP/Country.
If casino will want to find a reason to not pay you out, they will.
Maybe you could get away with VPN.... but thats additional costs.
Quote from: ophis on Jan 17, 11:38 AM 2011
HideMyIP uses proxy servers. Its good for viewing websites but not for real hiding your location.
1. Most proxies are slow. Not very good for live play.
2. Most proxies don't allow to stream live video.
3. It can be easily identified as proxy and traced further to your ISP/Country.
If casino will want to find a reason to not pay you out, they will.
Maybe you could get away with VPN.... but that's additional costs.
Wow...
Looks like the Americans are Americant's...
They cant do anything...
Land of the free... Yeah right...
Dublin Bet Video...
link:://rouletteforum.cc/video-library/dublin-bet-video/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/video-library/dublin-bet-video/)
I've made a withdrawal through betvoyager to a webmoney wme purse. No questions asked, money was in account within 24 hours. Betvoyager is absolutely incredible, other USA casinos take 3-5 days and make you send in a shit load of paperwork.
I have Auto Hide IP. Even though it hides my IP, like Ophis said, that won't stop them for tracing where i am.
I have an account with Dublinet (fake info), Thomas and i play with fun money.
QuoteMaybe you could get away with VPN.... but that's additional costs.
I wouldn't mind the cost, but still, i'd probably be asked to prove my residence.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 17, 06:00 PM 2011
I have Auto Hide IP. Even though it hides my IP, like Ophis said, that won't stop them for tracing where I am.
I have an account with Dublinet (fake info), Thomas and I play with fun money.
I wouldn't mind the cost, but still, i'd probably be asked to prove my residence.
Ok...
Have you tried opening up a real account with them?
You know, i'll try that and see what happens. I do know however that it says they dont accept US players.
Ok, i opened a real account with them, but when it comes to deposit funds, here is what i get:
"You are currently located in, or have declared that you reside in a country from which we are unable to accept any financial transactions".
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 18, 07:52 AM 2011
Ok, I opened a real account with them, but when it comes to deposit funds, here is what I get:
"You are currently located in, or have declared that you reside in a country from which we are unable to accept any financial transactions".
Any financial transactions?
How about sending them a request.
Or asking if someone can deposit for you.
Ohh dear...
If they don't accept that.
Then I am sorry.
But I can not help you.
Ok, i just sent a request. I'll be awaiting.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 18, 11:23 AM 2011
Ok, I just sent a request. I'll be awaiting.
Tell em...
That you know someone that can deposit money for you.
And that he lives in Australia.
And that he has an existing Dublin Bet account.
Mmmmm maybe not that last part.
If you have so many problems with depositing....
....then you will never get your winnings.
Quote from: ophis on Jan 18, 11:43 AM 2011
If you have so many problems with depositing....
....then you will never get your winnings.
Thomas Grant has helped me with deposits and he's also agreed to help me withdraw winnings.
Quote from: crownroyal on Jan 18, 12:06 PM 2011
Thomas Grant has helped me with deposits and he's also agreed to help me withdraw winnings.
Yep...
All you got to do is ask for them.
Quote from: crownroyal on Jan 18, 12:06 PM 2011
Thomas Grant has helped me with deposits and he's also agreed to help me withdraw winnings.
So, Crown, i guess you're in the US. If so, do you use an account at Dublinet with your US information? That will be way cool if they allow me to gamble from the US with deposits from a different country.
Hmm, i can't wait till they sign the darn paper that will allow New Jersey online gamble.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 18, 04:07 PM 2011
So, Crown, I guess you're in the US. If so, do you use an account at Dublinet with your US information? That will be way cool if they allow me to gamble from the US with deposits from a different country.
Hmm, I can't wait till they sign the darn paper that will allow New Jersey online gamble.
I'm currently playing at Bet Voyager. I don't play at Dublin Bet. The American law that bans online gambling is ridiculous. There is currently a bill before congress called HR2267, that would legalize it. Call,write, or send a petition to your congressman. We need to get this changed. In the meantime I'm sure that Thomas Grant could help you with deposits and withdrawals at Bet Voyager, if you choose to play there.
Here is what i was told:
QuoteDear Carlos,
Welcome to Dublinbet.
Unfortunately, for security reasons and in keeping with European Anti Money Laundering regulations, we only permit the account holder to deposit funds into their account.
We do however, encourage you to play for fun on our site indefinitely, and should the laws change and allow us to accept USA based financial players, we will contact you.
Kind regards,
Wendy
DublinBet Customer Service
support@dublinbet.com
Crown, as a gambler, how do you rate BV? I tried the demo, it seemed ok, but i can't tell if the real money play version would work as the demo version.
Hey Carsh,
Iââ,¬â,,¢m still a rookie at Bet Voyager, so I canââ,¬â,,¢t give you an honest answer. I decided to give them a try because they offer low minimum bets, they claim to have a legitimate RNG, and I haven't heard anything bad about them. Iââ,¬â,,¢ve read some horror stories about other online casinos, but Iââ,¬â,,¢ve only heard good things about Bet Voyager. Everyone seems to like them.
Quote from: crownroyal on Jan 18, 09:25 PM 2011
Hey Carsh,
Iââ,¬â,,¢m still a rookie at Bet Voyager, so I canââ,¬â,,¢t give you an honest answer. I decided to give them a try because they offer low minimum bets, they claim to have a legitimate RNG, and I haven't heard anything bad about them. Iââ,¬â,,¢ve read some horror stories about other online casinos, but Iââ,¬â,,¢ve only heard good things about Bet Voyager. Everyone seems to like them.
Yeah, that's what i hear about BV. Other than that, i would never trust RNG casinos. Why i'm asking around. I"m getting tired of driving 8 hrs (4 each way) just so i can gamble.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 18, 10:50 PM 2011
Yeah, that's what I hear about BV. Other than that, I would never trust RNG casinos. Why i'm asking around. I"m getting tired of driving 8 hrs (4 each way) just so I can gamble.
Well... I have assisted 2 Americans with transactions.
So if your interested.
I will give you the terms.
And how to go about doing it.
Ohh and try to avoid using echeque.
As it takes a few days to process payments.
I'm interested, Thomas. I have paypal.
I had a friend (anyone remember Jackalsdraai?) who lent me his Dublinbet account. I was able to logon (in real money mode) although there was $0 in the account.
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 19, 09:39 AM 2011
I'm interested, Thomas. I have paypal.
Well...
Set up an account with BV.
Get a username and password.
Contact me via skype: thomasgrant
Or pm me.
And I will then give you details.
I would prefer skype.
As if there is any confusion.
I can go back to the conversation and see what happened.
Plus I can send you stuff. Like screen shots.
Deposits...
Transaction details.
Etc...
But if you prefer to just pm me.
Then that would be ok as well.
Will respect your wishes.
Up to you.
The ball is your court.
Here to help...
If you need it.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 19, 10:08 AM 2011
I had a friend (anyone remember Jackalsdraai?) who lent me his Dublinbet account. I was able to logon (in real money mode) although there was $0 in the account.
Well... I have a Dublin Bet account.
Already mentioned that.
I can give anyone login details.
Well, when I say anyone.
Someone I feel I can trust.
If they can login.
And play.
Great.
But they must contact me first.
Via pm.
Or via Skype.
Will not divulge that sort of stuff in this open forum.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 19, 10:08 AM 2011
I had a friend (anyone remember Jackalsdraai?) who lent me his Dublinbet account. I was able to logon (in real money mode) although there was $0 in the account.
You mean he didn't make the deposit of the money you sent him on his account? If that's the case, that really sucks. Ever heard of him after that, or did he tell you what happened?
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Jan 19, 10:12 AM 2011
Well...
Set up an account with BV.
Get a username and password.
Contact me via Skype: thomasgrant
Or pm me.
And I will then give you details.
I would prefer Skype.
As if there is any confusion.
I can go back to the conversation and see what happened.
Plus I can send you stuff. Like screen shots.
Deposits...
Transaction details.
Etc...
But if you prefer to just pm me.
Then that would be ok as well.
Will respect your wishes.
Up to you.
The ball is your court.
Here to help...
If you need it.
Will do, Thomas. I'll have to get skype. I'll contact you.
@ Carsch: Jakk was ok. He lived in South Africa and I couldn't get the money to him to fund the account. Moreover if I were able to get the money to him, how could he get it back to me?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 19, 12:39 PM 2011
@ Carsch: Jakk was ok. He lived in South Africa and I couldn't get the money to him to fund the account. Moreover if I were able to get the money to him, how could he get it back to me?
Same way some do with Thomas? But then are you saying that it was Dublinet that took your money from the account? And if they did, was it because, for some reason, they found out you were playing from the US?
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Jan 19, 10:15 AM 2011
Well... I have a Dublin Bet account.
Already mentioned that.
I can give anyone login details.
Well, when I say anyone.
Someone I feel I can trust.
Thomas,
You are going way above and beyond the call of duty here. An admirable trait for sure.
AD
Quote from: ADulay on Jan 19, 04:59 PM 2011
Thomas,
You are going way above and beyond the call of duty here. An admirable trait for sure.
AD
Well...
I wont do it for everyone.
I have to trust the person first.
And they have to learn to trust me.
However...
I might be willing to give it a go.
Just to see what happens.
I'd rather not have my account closed.
Or blocked.
So now...
I have put myself in a bit of a pickle.
I would like to help players from the US.
Or a player from the US.
But as I said.
We got to learn to trust each other.
Giving details like this.
Is not something I would like to do.
So I may have to charge for the privilege.
Because I am putting my account on the line.
I may also add some other conditions to the deal.
Well... when I say conditions...
What I really mean is I may send the person some affiliate links.
They have the choice to click on them or not.
I will not force them.
But it would be nice if they at least took a look.
Hows that all sound?
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 19, 04:37 PM 2011
Same way some do with Thomas? But then are you saying that it was Dublinet that took your money from the account? And if they did, was it because, for some reason, they found out you were playing from the US?
My money never left my pocket. I tried to send it via Paypal, which was declined. I tried to send it via Moneybookers and it was declined. Jakk suggested using a credit card, but I refused (with my personal info involved). I am open perhaps to using a prepaid Visa to fund Dublinbet directly.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 19, 08:04 PM 2011
My money never left my pocket. I tried to send it via Paypal, which was declined. I tried to send it via Moneybookers and it was declined. Jakk suggested using a credit card, but I refused (with my personal info involved). I am open perhaps to using a prepaid Visa to fund Dublinbet directly.
Hey Proofreaders,
I tried using a prepaid visa to fund my Bet Voyager account and it didnââ,¬â,,¢t work. If an American Bank issues the card, forget it. It wonââ,¬â,,¢t work. The feds really have this thing locked up pretty darn tight.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 19, 08:04 PM 2011
My money never left my pocket. I tried to send it via Paypal, which was declined. I tried to send it via Moneybookers and it was declined. Jakk suggested using a credit card, but I refused (with my personal info involved). I am open perhaps to using a prepaid Visa to fund Dublinbet directly.
I see. I had misunderstood.
Quote from: crownroyal on Jan 20, 12:12 AM 2011
Hey Proofreaders,
I tried using a prepaid visa to fund my Bet Voyager account and it didnââ,¬â,,¢t work. If an American Bank issues the card, forget it. It wonââ,¬â,,¢t work. The feds really have this thing locked up pretty darn tight.
This is where I come in.
Or where you may wish to use my services.
Thanks Thomas :thumbsup:
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 20, 03:01 AM 2011
Thanks Thomas :thumbsup:
There may be some terms and conditions.
That one should adhere to.
For instance.
If BV ask for your ID.
And you send it in.
They may or may not keep your account open.
And since I am the one depositing.
Then any problems that occur.
Then may not be able to assist you.
So do not blame me if anything goes wrong.
Hi,today I had bet a for REAL money with BV
Thanks to Thomas(I live in USA)
Thank again Dude
Brit living USA
Congrats fellow Brit. :thumbsup:
Quote from: roulettenerd on Jan 20, 07:31 PM 2011
Hi,today I had bet a for REAL money with BV
Thanks to Thomas(I live in USA)
Thank again Dude
Brit living USA
This guy is amazing...
I helped him with the deposit.
Put money into his BV account.
He started with $75 euro.
Now he is up over $350 and that is not including the $50 withdraw request he has made.
In only a few days playing.
I have asked to share what he is doing.
Apparently he is using this.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/kimo%27s-global-pie-revisited/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/kimo%27s-global-pie-revisited/)
But flat betting.
Amazing...
Just amazing...
Congrats! :thumbsup:
Now the key is to keep taking the money out and not make any more deposits.
Leave enough in the account (and slowly let it grow) to be able to work whatever system play you're doing and just continue to take out a nice set amount from the wins.
When the losing sessions appear, you won't be tempted to just quit. You'll have the bankroll available to play through it and get back on the wins soon enough.
Works for me!
AD
Quote from: roulettenerd on Jan 20, 07:31 PM 2011
Hi,today I had bet a for REAL money with BV
Thanks to Thomas(I live in USA)
Thank again Dude
Brit living USA
Cool! Thomas did the same for me. He got me some money i sent him deposited on his account on Dublinet, and i'm ready to gamble. Hopefully i'll do as good as you. ;)
Thanks guys.
My winnings from BV transfered into my Paypal account today
It works a treat. ;D
Thanks again Thomas!
This Topic makes for very good reading in all aspects!
And sounds as tho the future of US players, Roulette-wise, CAN be assured.
At this rate, we will need to make duplicate copies of ThomasGrant, on a commercial scale?
How do U fancy that Tom?
"Would U mind just stepping into the Replica-tor Please Sir?"
"This should only take a moment..............................." ;)
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 24, 02:40 AM 2011
This Topic makes for very good reading in all aspects!
And sounds as tho the future of US players, Roulette-wise, CAN be assured.
At this rate, we will need to make duplicate copies of ThomasGrant, on a commercial scale?
How do you fancy that Tom?
"Would you mind just stepping into the Replica-tor Please Sir?"
"This should only take a moment..............................." ;)
Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You!
Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You! (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY#)
Here to serve...
And if I can help out those Americans.
In some small way.
Then I will continue to do so.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Jan 24, 03:43 AM 2011
Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You!
Now, that's a voice of reason. ;D
Quote from: Carsch on Jan 24, 02:18 PM 2011
Now, that's a voice of reason. ;D
Quote
Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You!
Well... what my country can do for you. IE: Australia...
We have no restrictions that I know of that stops us from online gambling.
Hi everybody, I'm new here. I have to say this is a great thread; it's nice to see you all helping each other out. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to register an account at say, Dublinbet (as an American). Do you enter in a dummy name, address, etc?
Thanks,
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on Jan 28, 12:27 PM 2011
Hi everybody, I'm new here. I have to say this is a great thread; it's nice to see you all helping each other out. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to register an account at say, Dublinbet (as an American). Do you enter in a dummy name, address, etc?
Thanks,
Sam
You can use a dummy name when you run the software.
I did a video of it.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/video-library/dublin-bet-video/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/video-library/dublin-bet-video/)
I would have to use a dummy name, address, phone number, etc. You guys think that's safe?
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on Jan 28, 07:44 PM 2011
I would have to use a dummy name, address, phone number, etc. You guys think that's safe?
Sam
Apparently you wont be able to set up a real account. Because your a yank.
Thomas can you set up for PaddyPower? (same deal as BetVoyager/Dublinbet?)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 29, 12:06 PM 2011
Thomas can you set up for PaddyPower? (same deal as BetVoyager/Dublinbet?)
Send me the link.
Quote from: birdhands on Jan 28, 07:44 PM 2011
I would have to use a dummy name, address, phone number, etc. You guys think that's safe?
Sam
You won't be able to make a real money transaction.
This is the link from Proofreaders2000
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Here's the link.
link:://:.paddypower.com/bet (link:://:.paddypower.com/bet)
Went to the site.
Tried to create a account.
The did not have Australia listed.
So I went to the help desk.
Asked why they don't have Australia as a country?
They said.
"We don't accept players from Australia"
So it is a no go for me.
Got any others you would like me to try?
Thomas,
Kudos for offering to help out we poor Americans. I used the technique you quoted for adding funds through webmoney and it worked brilliantly, although the fees were a bit much (I'm up roughly 50% despite the fees, though, so it all worked out just fine!). Just wanted to express my appreciation for what you do in this forum.
I want to tell everyone that Thomas just went out of his way to help me get money into BV. It was easy and Thomas was a pleasure to talk to. I'm really grateful there are people like him out there. Thanks Thomas.
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on Feb 14, 12:54 PM 2011
I want to tell everyone that Thomas just went out of his way to help me get money into BV. It was easy and Thomas was a pleasure to talk to. I'm really grateful there are people like him out there. Thanks Thomas.
Sam
Your welcome.
Just trying to help you hapless Americans out.
Since your Government does not seem capable of letting you make a Adult decision, and allow you to play at a Online Casino.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Feb 14, 12:58 PM 2011
Your welcome.
Just trying to help you hapless Americans out.
Since your Government does not seem capable of letting you make a Adult decision, and allow you to play at a Online Casino.
It's all politics. The brick and mortar joints have too much money they use to wine n dine the politicians to keep on-line casinos illegal. One day it'll happen. there's already movement in that direction.
Quote from: GLC on Feb 14, 08:42 PM 2011
It's all politics. The brick and mortar joints have too much money they use to wine n dine the politicians to keep on-line casinos illegal. One day it'll happen. there's already movement in that direction.
:D :-[ :o :-\
Right...
There has been movement.
But I would not hold my breath.
Not only does it have to pass congress.
But the separate states can overrule the outcome.
State Rights.
America...
Land of the long lost tribe called the Frkawe...
As in: Where the Frkawe... :D :P
:-*
Only kidding...
Been there.
I like Americans.
For the most part.
Another problem is that the Indian Casino lobby carries a lot of weight with the state legislatures.
The cities of Miami, Tampa and Jacksonville all wanted to have legitimate casino gambling offered up by the usual mega-corporations but it was voted down (with a lot of PAC money) due mainly to the actions of ALL the Indian nation corporations.
Anytime legalized gambling is brought up for a vote, there's one huge contributor to the "anti-gambling" block. Yep, the Indian casino nations.
Hypocracy at it finest for sure!
And it's probably one of the big reasons I play mostly online instead in the local Indian place.
AD
PS For those of you outside the USofA, the "Indian Nation" refers to the indigenous Indian tribes of North America and not Indians from India. I actually had a guy ask me about that.
Well, most indian casinos suck, period. A few of them, that I know of, you still have to pay a fee every time you place a black jack bet. Many don't offer roulette and craps. In California it's a joke; roulette is not played with a roulette wheel and a ball; instead they use playing cards or some other means to replace roulette. Same with Craps.........players don't roll dices - decks of cards are used instead.
Ours down here in Florida aren't too bad, just no roulette.
BlackJack, baccarat, several of the poker venues and of course the ever present slot machines.
For some reason the only roulette in the state is the off shore boats that go out every day.
AD
Does anyone know exactly when BV started accepting US players? I know it wasn't the case a few years ago. Thanks. . .
They don't............not that i know of.
They allow you to create an account with a note that you are responsible for knowing the laws in your own jurisdiction. The funding issue is very difficult, but not insurmountable if you really want to play in the paradise that is known as no-zero roulette. Personally, all the hassle I had to go through to get an account opened and funded was worth every single cent and second I spent on it. BV is awesome!
Hi,contact Thomas Grant for more info on BV
I bet with BV
I live in the states.
It really is frustrating because the internet gambling law in America would have never passed on itââ,¬â,,¢s own merit ! ! This was all about back room wheeling and dealing with a group of wealthy New Jersey and Nevada lobbyists to win the congressional votes needed to pass some worthless piece of legislation during the Bush years. The current administration is even more brain dead than the last. I hate to say this fellow Americans, but we might be stuck with this bull for quite some time. On a more positive note, thanks again to Thomas Grant for helping several Americans, including myself to deposit funds into our B.V. accounts.
Thank you both for those kind words.
Wish you both good fortune and lots of luck at the BV table.
Let me know if I can assist you for further deposits or withdraws.
Visa and Mastercard won't process? Just Webmoney?
Quote from: crownroyal on Feb 22, 11:01 AM 2011
It really is frustrating because the internet gambling law in America would have never passed on itââ,¬â,,¢s own merit ! ! This was all about back room wheeling and dealing with a group of wealthy New Jersey and Nevada lobbyists to win the congressional votes needed to pass some worthless piece of legislation during the Bush years. The current administration is even more brain dead than the last. I hate to say this fellow Americans, but we might be stuck with this bull for quite some time. On a more positive note, thanks again to Thomas Grant for helping several Americans, including myself to deposit funds into our B.V. accounts.
It's all about money, power and control. We're being screwed. ;D
Hey but thank God, we have Thomas. The Aussis are looking after us. ;D
Quote from: Carsch on Feb 15, 02:00 PM 2011
Well, most indian casinos suck, period. A few of them, that I know of, you still have to pay a fee every time you place a black jack bet. Many don't offer roulette and craps. In California it's a joke; roulette is not played with a roulette wheel and a ball; instead they use playing cards or some other means to replace roulette. Same with Craps.........players don't roll dices - decks of cards are used instead.
Carsh,
I guess I'm lucky here in Tucson, AZ because we have 4 Indian casinos and two of them have an airball roulette table. It has 6 seats and it's rare that more than 2 are being used. Of course it's double zero roulette. They are quarter machines with a $25 max bet. They're good for testing systems and with a good system, you can actually win a little money for "bread and smokes".
I love that phrase Flatino gave us. Having lived in Bulgaria for a while, I know the importance of including "bread" in the phrase. I was a missionary there in 1996-1998. It was a time of hyper-inflation and the cost of bread went from 50 leva to 500 leva in a few weeks. It was really hard on the retired folks because the government couldn't afford to increase their pensions to keep up with inflation. Being a "rich" American (not really but Bulgarians thought all Americans were rich and compared to most of them, I probably was) I used to walk up and down the alleyways where I would find Babushkas digging in the dumpsters for scraps of food to eat and paper and bottles to re-cycle. I would give them 5000 leva which was only $2-$3. Not much to me, but a great blessing to them. Some of them didn't want to take it. I understand, they're a proud people and didn't want to take charity. So, I just folded it up and dropped it on the ground behind them, tapped them on the shoulder and said, "Izvinete, molya" (that's about all the Bulgarian I remember) but you dropped something and then I would just walk away. What are they going to do? Just leave it on the ground. No, pick it up and buy "BREAD".
Excuse me for taking a trip down memory lane. What was I writing about? Oh yeah, Indian casinos. I have figured out that if there's 2 or 3 seats empty, I can play multiple screens and increase my range from 100 units to 200 or even 300. It can get a little hectic to place bets on 3 screens because you only get about 40 seconds to do any calculations you may have and then get you bets placed before the dreadded "No more bets, please" is heard.
Carsch, if you or anyone else are ever in Tucson, give me a call. We can get together for a meeting at the casino. It'll be better than using those stupid cards.
Cheers,
George
Yeah, i remember; they do have those air ball roulette machines in California, too (the only place i've seen them). Sure, if i ever go that way, i'll give you a ring.
Quote[1:53:12 PM] billy chipps: well land of the free as long as you don't want to gamble
Gamble online. Online Roulette that is.
QuoteThomas,
I tried to reply to this post to give you a good review but I dont have full member status yet I guess, I did register my username is BillyTheGamer or make it easy ..could you post this as my review?
Yes
YES
AND
YES.
Though if your are based in America, you will have difficulty playing with real money.
Tho ThomasGrant can sometimes....'Assist' with this situation!
I asked Thomas to make a depost to BV over this past week and he did it quickly and imo cheaply.I simply sent it thru Paypal and he deposited in my BV account without any problems. I plan on another deposit asap.
This is from an email I wrote to him today, it sums up my experience..
We hapless Yanks are stuck with casinos that use crappy and imo very suspect software.
The online casinos that are used by euro companies i.e betfair, 888, etc seem to be more fair, my guess would be they know if you can play at one of those big ones you can pick and choose, Bodog is the biggest company in America and it's owner is a refugee who lives on the run from the feds and the IRS!
But thats then, this is now...and lets move on!
Your fee is $25, I won't pay you a penny less. It more than worth it!
You're helping my fellow yanks flee from the slavery of shit gaming software.
BillyTheGamer
Hi guys...
All those Americans that have had a account with BV.
If you still have access to your account.
Please contact me.
Would like to know if any have been cancelled.
Or if any of you from the US still has access.
Please let me know.
I have someone that would like to use a BV account.
Mine still works, although it's empty.
Quote from: Moxy on Feb 22, 03:42 PM 2011
Visa and Mastercard won't process? Just Webmoney?
do a direct bank deposit in moneybookers