Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 26, 07:27 PM 2010
Terms with NO rock solid definition:-
holy grail.
Many people confuse a winning system with a holy grail.
In my way of seeing it, an holy grail have a simple definition:
System who can never lose a single session !I don't believe in a "holy grail" system.
but I do believe in a winning one
;)
Afonso
Its the direct connection between Roulette, and Religion.
What's the one over used phrase I imagine
players use when they have lost their BR
.............OOh Hell.
or
.............Holly Mosses.
or
.............OOh God.
Actually, to me in this modern age- Holly Grail says- Im the best system that there is available, at this moment in time!
Which always means that another one will come along any time now.
Other phrases are most likely are available...! :wink:
Quote from: ego on Dec 26, 03:29 PM 2010
...
C) A good method or decent is a method which succeed to overcome 1024 placed bets using flat betting and where the minimum gain is 100 units.
Now in average we always get average fluctuation and draw downs - peaks - during 1024 placed bets or above.
Then if some one manage pass does using flat betting and still end up with a positive gain.
Then I regard that as a decent method.
If we assume some one is playing a Roulette System.
The cruel truth is that not many if any strategy at this forum or any other have 100 or above after 1024 placed bets - and that bench mark is for even money position - but should give a hint to similar bench mark for any spread of numbers.
OK, is there anyone who has tested any system and using flat betting and where the minimum gain is 100 units, after 1024 placed bets?!
I personally doubt it!
I could say ego's posts are interesting, with some critical elements, no problem, but could ego helps the forum with any concrete system, hint or idea about this point?!
Thanks!
Quote from: A3on on Dec 26, 07:55 PM 2010
Many people confuse a winning system with a holy grail.
In my way of seeing it, an holy grail have a simple definition:
System who can never lose a single session !
I don't believe in a "holy grail" system.
but I do believe in a winning one
The ONLY difference between a Winning System and the Holy Grail is this:
Any roulette system can win (no matter how ludicrous the bet selection method),
However, ONLY the Holy Grail is MATHEMATICALLY guaranteed to win each session.
Consider it an insurance policy.
My roulette sessions are just like riding a rollercoaster,
Yes, there are twists, turns and scary moments,
But, I NEVER fall off the rails,
And, I ALWAYS get back to where I started from,
Walking away with my heart pounding and a BIG grin on my face..
;D
Quote from: Dyksexlic! on Dec 27, 07:07 AM 2010
Walking away with my heart pounding and a BIG grin on my face..
;D
yeah, hefty progressions, like in your repeater system, tend to do that
Quote from: Dyksexlic! on Dec 27, 07:07 AM 2010
The ONLY difference between a Winning System and the Holy Grail is this:
..........................just like riding a rollercoaster,
Yes, there are twists, turns and scary moments,
..........................back to where I started from,
;D
Pardon for asking, the ride sounds quite interesting,
but is there any point to it if U end up back at exactly the same point?
Or is there a little gain that Ur not telling Us about?
A roller coaster will do what's its intended to do- take U on a ride from Point A, to Point A.
There's no gain along the journey, (there maybe a small loss actually, sweat & body salts, weight in the form of calories burnt, brain cells used up in the "By-The-Seat-Of-Ur-Pants" ride, and of course, the nerve endings being shredded, as those Frankie Boyle has had U on the front seat in one of his live gigs!)
Please tell me there's a point to the journey!?! :-[
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 27, 10:04 AM 2010
Pardon for asking, the ride sounds quite interesting,
but is there any point to it if you end up back at exactly the same point?
Or is there a little gain that your not telling Us about?
Please tell me there's a point to the journey!?! :-[
Certainly.
Yes, my '
session' is like the rollercoaster ride,
Meaning its guided on 'unmoveable' rails, (
Mathematics)
And even though the ride is full of 'surprises', (
Randomness)
It is still somewhat 'predictable' (
Pigeonhole Principle), plus,
I have no doubt of a safe and positive return at the end.
My opening '
Balance' is comparable to my heartbeat,
It fluctuates during the course of the ride,
At some points dropping right through the floor,
At others, shooting through my chest.
But in the end, ALWAYS beating faster and stronger (
100% guaranteed).
The scenario is the same regardless of which 'rollercoaster' (
Casino) I choose.
Note, that I don't have to be a rollercoaster 'designer' (
Playtech) to enjoy the ride,
Also, that I don't have ANY limit to how often I can ride,
Or, how many times I can choose to 'thrill' my heart (
Profit),
Plus, I don't need to PREDICT the 'path' (
RNG spins) of the rollercoaster,
AND, Once my rollercoaster has begun, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop me..!
Now perhaps you'll understand why I feel so darned HAPPY all the time.
:thumbsup:
You are also a very 'modest' person, Dyksexlic ::)
A.
Funny how we "see" analogies in different ways. ::)
He's how I was looking at U taking the pleasure ride at the beach side resort, me standing on the side lines- watching the ride progress around all the twists and turns that the track had waiting for U.
The Roller Coaster awaits Ur arrival= The Casino of choice
The Seats of the ride U sit in..............= The formate- Playtech/Rival/Real gaming
The assent to the first drop................= The first 13-15 numbers up on the Marque
The first bend - drop point..................= The first bet U make, Ur stake on the Table/Felt
The 'G' force of the initial descent.....= The rush of winning Ur first initial gamble
The second bend, gaining speed.......= The second bet stake laid down
The out swinging sharp curve............= The first loss on that 2Nd bet
The approach to the loop....................= The 3rd bet stake laid down- BR down, only a smidgen
The Revolution 360* Loop...............= The 2Nd loss -recovery required !!
The Twister spinning rotation..........= The 4Th bet stake laid down- take deep breath
The Fastest part of track..................= The 3Rd loss, and its three in a row!!
The rest section before" "..............= The 5Th bet, now Ur palms are sweating
The BIG ONE.....................................= A WIN !!
The BIG ONE is the final stage in the ride, U have just about recovered Ur ass,
returned the Bank Roll to DEF-CON 2 status, and U take a steadying breather.
The session is over- U live to fight again.
The numbers all supplied by the COSMOS
Delivered to the Graphical Interface by Playtech
Served By Win-Lot-Casino.com
Sweat and uncomfortable hairline supplied by Yourself.
Thanx for letting Us watch Ur fantastic ride- we're off for Candy-Floss. :-X
For the record- I think U have a naturally HAPPY disposition, and good on U for that. Light of Truth eh.
Cheers D!
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 27, 11:00 AM 2010
You are also a very 'modest' person, Dyksexlic ::)
A.
--And puffed up and sarcastic,I would add.
Quote from: atlantis on Dec 27, 11:00 AM 2010
You are also a very 'modest' person, Dyksexlic ::)
Listen, if you knew half of what I know, you wouldn't 'share' it either.
None of you would, I promise you.
I go to bed shaking, and wake up in a cold sweat, crying like a baby..
That's the price of guarding the Holy Grail from the unwashed masses.
At least I'm here providing truth as opposed to untested waffle.
Deep down, you know that I'm telling you the truth..
And it terrifies you.
:-X
Would U teach me? Pls.
Afraid of nothing me- except absolute ignorance.
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 27, 11:40 AM 2010
Would you teach me? Pls.
Afraid of nothing me- except absolute ignorance.
Chris, If I taught you how to do this, what would you do with it..?
Make a pension income from it.
Replace my ageing van.
Possibly hand it down in a loaded -'Must Do This before U get That'..... Will.
And that's it.
I came to Roulette to make a second, then replacement income, the beer- well I should be able to fund that from my 'Earnings' (winnings others would call it).
I'd see it as earnings, since I'm still going to be doing 'WorK' for it.
It 'aint going come to me on its own now is it? :o
You wouldn't get rich Crisbis I assure you.
We had the same story by Gizmo,remember.
This D character is just a teaser,nothing else.
Rich is a relative term Ivica.
Gizmo just wants too much money for what he is offering.
And if its so good (Gizmo...n) then why does he need the money!?
He sent me a tracker.
Interesting. Dodgy controls. No info. GUI- strange.
But he showed willing.
edit Same Here Blood ! :-\
Quote from: Dyksexlic! on Dec 27, 11:37 AM 2010
And it terrifies you.
:-X
It doesnt terrify me...I find it fascinating..
OMG :o
Gizmotron, and his trusty sidekick, Spike, are to be avoided at all costs.
They're deluded fools, borderline scammers.
Last I heard they were peddling 'Guesswork' as a viable Bet Selector.
I'm serious.
You couldn't make this stuff up..!
I use Mathematics to beat roulette.
NOT wishful thinking.
NOT guesswork.
NOT pseudo science.
NOT 'Magic'.
Just MATHEMATICS.
The same mathematical principles as used by academics around the world.
Yes people, your mythical Holy Grail is just plain old maths.
So, now you know.
@Chrisbis
It saddens me that you never once considered helping anyone else.
Yes, charity begins at home, but you are far from the poverty line.
:(
Dyslexic,
we all know your method's basics, all in all you bet on every came out number then increase the bet amount on the repeaters then capitalize on the cluster of repeaters that happens on RNG since they are more prone to abiding the law of third than live croupier where the game depends greatly on how the dealer throws the ball, one dealer might hit a lot of repeaters, other might throw very randomly.
Also you said yourself that even if you experience 100% hit on the 38th spin of the cycle, that is, having 37 unique numbers(totally impossible), having a repeater on the 38th since there are 37 numbers and 37 spins(pigenhole principle) you would not have loss of bankroll, but from your words it is obvious that you talk about loss of TOTAL bankroll(minimum of 2478 or something as per your system's hints and guidelines) you might be down 2300 units but yes, you would not lose your entire 2486 or something bankroll
that is your system my friend, nothing that mysterious about it
Quote from: sekuritati on Dec 27, 03:05 PM 2010
Dyslexic,
we all know your method's basics, all in all you bet on every came out number then increase the bet amount on the repeaters then capitalize on the cluster of repeaters that happens on RNG since they are more prone to abiding the law of third than live croupier where the game depends greatly on how the dealer throws the ball, one dealer might hit a lot of repeaters, other might throw very randomly.
Also you said yourself that even if you experience 100% hit on the 38th spin of the cycle, that is, having 37 unique numbers(totally impossible), having a repeater on the 38th since there are 37 numbers and 37 spins(pigenhole principle) you would not have loss of bankroll, but from your words it is obvious that you talk about loss of TOTAL bankroll(minimum of 2478 or something as per your system's hints and guidelines) you might be down 2300 units but yes, you would not lose your entire 2486 or something bankroll
that is your system my friend, nothing that mysterious about it
I have wondered what he does when there have been 37 unique numbers, which one do he bet on the 38 spin? Not saying that it will be 37 unique numbers in our history..
:)
Quote from: Dyksexlic! on Dec 27, 02:58 PM 2010
Gizmotron................
@Chrisbis
It saddens me that you never once considered helping anyone else.
Yes, charity begins at home, but you are far from the poverty line.
:(
Surprised at Ur response since leaving aside the formality of getting permission,
It was Ur position to help,
I would have assumed, in that the teachings, would be the lesson to go and teach others.
I get the distinct impression, Ur question was double loaded. :P
So if I have naturally said (and I nearly did, since I help so many in my life right now),
that I would have first taught my son, so he could become financially independent...........
Then, again with the originators permission, I would have taught others- but I suspected that U would have found reason to fault-find that reply in
someway.
It could be right. Magic indeed.
And I suspect Ur wrong.
My heart knows Ur completely wrong about one thing...........................ME
..(How U attempt 2 play with peoples lives eh D!... Oh how we cross weave in lifes little tapestry).. :twisted:
Never is such a long time.
Its very easy to take the Moral High Ground........... Spot On Chris !
Not like U to have nothing to say Paul?
Perhaps we should all get back to the Topic subject. We seem to have gone off on a Tangent.
Terms with NO rock solid definition
Here's one for U, No in fact here's two for U:-
Magic................and
Pantomime.
The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 27, 04:02 PM 2010
My heart knows your completely wrong about one thing...........................ME
There are two kinds of egotists.
Those who admit it, and the rest of us.
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 27, 04:02 PM 2010
..(How you attempt 2 play with peoples lives eh D!... Oh how we cross weave in lifes little tapestry).. :twisted:
Never is such a long time.
You shouldn't punish others for
YOUR own choices.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Dec 27, 04:06 PM 2010
Its very easy to take the Moral High Ground........... Spot On Chris !
Even
EASIER to take the moral LOW ground.
Spot On Dyksexlic !
:P
Nice use of tongue.
Ham anyone?
choices,
choices
choices eh.
GENERAL WARNING
This thread is in imminent danger of being locked.
It is way off topic.
It is not intended for gratuitous insults and mud-slinging. So much for the Season of Goodwill which is supposed to last ALL THE TIME.
Certain posters are likely to receive a consequence of their ill-considered actions...
Quote from: Dyksexlic! on Dec 27, 10:56 AM 2010
Certainly.
Yes, my 'session' is like the rollercoaster ride,
Meaning its guided on 'unmoveable' rails, (Mathematics)
And even though the ride is full of 'surprises', (Randomness)
It is still somewhat 'predictable' (Pigeonhole Principle), plus,
I have no doubt of a safe and positive return at the end.
My opening 'Balance' is comparable to my heartbeat,
It fluctuates during the course of the ride,
At some points dropping right through the floor,
At others, shooting through my chest.
But in the end, ALWAYS beating faster and stronger (100% guaranteed).
The scenario is the same regardless of which 'rollercoaster' (Casino) I choose.
Note, that I don't have to be a rollercoaster 'designer' (Playtech) to enjoy the ride,
Also, that I don't have ANY limit to how often I can ride,
Or, how many times I can choose to 'thrill' my heart (Profit),
Plus, I don't need to PREDICT the 'path' (RNG spins) of the rollercoaster,
AND, Once my rollercoaster has begun, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to stop me..!
Now perhaps you'll understand why I feel so darned HAPPY all the time.
:thumbsup:
I'm curious though, you said sometimes I bet the whole table, how you did this in a real B&M casino is beyond me?
Maybe it was a virtual roller-coaster I'm tending to think now.
Virtual, like a lot of other things. :question:
I believe it could be possible to get all the table covered
in a virtual world, since time can be frozen, the virtuoso will have many
avatar mates at his disposal, and the dealer could be digitally distracted
at just the right moment.
Worth not thinking about eh.
A winning system usually give you a return on your money, whether it be a casino game, certificate of deposit or some other small investment. A Holy Grail on the other hand (you hope) can make you as rich as Bill Gates or Warren Buffet.
Do u consider your luck as holy grail?