As many of you know, I'm a TurboGenius fan.
I'm not saying he knows more about Roulette than a lot of you guys.
I'm just saying that I like a lot of his systems.
This system is his "Possible Holy Grail" system for single numbers that I have adapted to streets.
Yes, I have been testing it and it is working exceptionally well on streets.
Begin by tracking the streets until all 12 have hit and then start betting on 1 that has hit the least. If there are more than 1 tied for the least amount of hits, just pick one.
Bet 1 unit on this street until it hits or it misses for 12 spins.
If it hits before 12 spins, you will be at a new high, so start over betting the least hit street.
If it doesn't hit within 12 spins, increase your bet to 2 units and add the next least hit street at 2 units. So now you will be betting 2 streets @ 2 units each for 12 spins.
If one of the streets hits and you are at a new high, start over with 1 unit on the least hit street.
If one of the streets hits and you are not at a new high, continue betting the other street until it hits or the 12 spin cycle ends.
If it hits before the 12 spins are complete and you are at a new high, start over with 1 unit on the least hit street.
If it doesn't hit in the 12 spin cycle, add another unit to it, so we'll be betting 3 units and also add the least hit street at 3 units.
This means we will be betting 2 streets @ 3 units on each.
Anytime you are at a new high, you can take you wins and call it a session or you can start fresh.
You will not always be at a new high when you win on all your streets being bet.
Sometimes you are in a hole and have to dig your way out. Such is the game of roulette.
There is no stop-loss or win target. Just keep playing until you have won all you want and then quit.
You must continue to track the number of times the streets have hit so you can continue to bet on the least hit streets. You can play without re-tracking indefinitely or you can stop at some point, take a break and re-track for a new start.
I would test this thoroughly before playing for real so you know how many units you should take with you to be safe. I recommend not less than 250 units. You decide for yourself.
Since you are playing the same amount on all streets being bet, if you have a street that is sleeping a really long time, when one of the other streets hits, you can drop the sleeper, continue betting on the others and when the sleeper finally wakes up, start betting on it again because it will for sure be the least hit street.
Please try this system. It is easy to play and very effective.
Enjoy and Happy New Year,
George
Oh! I almost forgot to mention that this works with all bet locations on the board except e.c.'s. For the dozens, you only have a 3 spin cycle. For lines a 6 spin cycle. Etc...
New years greetings to you George. :smile:
Great minds must think alike, LoL.
I used to read the Turbogenius methods as well. I specifically remember this one because I had the same idea as you to convert it to streets.
First of all, you may need a much bigger bankroll than 250 units. What tended to happen is that you just ended up playing the same streets once they became detatched from the others. The losses could really get out of hand if they started going freezing cold which happened on occasions.
I will be happy to help you do some testing with this. It can be a steady little earner with a bit of luck on your side.
Thanks for you observations FL.
I have had some real holes to dig out of in my tests, but it has always recovered so far. I know it has to lose sometime.
I think that a good idea may be to re-track if you start getting 2 or 3 streets falling way behind.
I have been trying it with the dozens and it works well there also.
It can't be the true Holy Grail, but it is an interesting method of play that has good potential for profits.
George
I completed a quick test using roulette extreme. (776 spins) It went into a 10 unit profit at the end.
The most units I was ever playing on any one street was 8. At one point it did dip to 112 units. To be on the safe side, I think a minimum of 500 units is required.
The only thing that bugs me about this method is suppose you are playing two streets and only one keeps hitting in the 12 spin cycle. Your bets are escalating all the time and the odds of you hitting a winner is 5/1 because you are never playing more than two streets. A few bad cycles there can cost you a lot of units. I have attatched the bankroll graph of my test session.
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Hello.
My friend GLC I have tested this system a lot of months ago with the streets like you do.
The only thing that I had done deferenty is that I was picking the streets randomly(because I don't believe in bet selections) and it was a loser in the long run.
I also advise you not to bet 12 times but 11 times...because the 12 times will not give you a profit if you win the bet in the 12th spin.
U will also notice that sometimes even if we will win all the streets...it does not bring us in a new balance profit.
FL,
Thanks for you help with this system.
I acknowledge the truth of your observations.
I haven't had that much trouble with betting 2 streets and having only 1 hit in the cycle.
Of course for a few times, but always recovered.
I was going to recommend a 1000 unit bank, but large banks tend to cause many to not even consider looking at the system.
I have been considering the fact that the casino wins mostly because it has the biggest bankroll. Therefore, I am going to lean heavily toward the requirement that to increase odds of winning on any given strategy, the larger bank we have to play with, the greater the odds that we will walk out a winner.
To me that means no more win 20 or lose 50, rather win 20 or lose 200 or maybe even more.
Also, odds don't mean that much when we are dealing with a relatively few number of spins. Anything can happen in 40-70 spins. The hit quick and get out is a good strategy.
VIP,
I disagree with your comment of bet selection even though I know that mathematically you are correct. Please see my topic titled "Bet Selection" under General Discussion for a couple of graphs on this system based on betting single numbers.
I do know that every time we finish a series we won't always be at a new high point. Sometimes it can be a grind.
And yes, you can make the cycle 11 bets if you wish. You could even make it 10 or 9 or even less, but that makes it a more aggressive system. I'm even considering testing it with a 13 or 14 spin cycle for more safety.
Your observations are all valid and anyone considering this system should be aware of them in their decision making process.
Having said all, I still really like this system.
Since it can be played on any bet, you can select how quickly you want to play. Betting on dozens goes pretty fast, lines less so, and straight up numbers requires that you be ready to hang out in the casino all day.
George
"""I disagree with your comment of bet selection even though I know that mathematically you are correct. """
It is a good thing that you know that mathematically I am correct ;D
Ok I will have a look in your bet selection post....
""""And yes, you can make the cycle 11 bets if you wish. You could even make it 10 or 9 or even less, but that makes it a more aggressive system. I'm even considering testing it with a 13 or 14 spin cycle for more safety.""""
Yes BUT if u will win the 1st betting street in the 13th or the 14th time???
what will you do? I mean what s the point?
I wish to you happy winnings!
Quote from: VIP on Dec 31, 06:35 PM 2010
Yes BUT if you will win the 1st betting street in the 13th or the 14th time???
what will you do? I mean what s the point?
I wish to you happy winnings!
Good question,
I was thinking of giving yourself more bets at a lower amount, and even if you lose 1 or 2 units, you are giving yourself a longer series of bets at 1 unit before going on to 2 units.
It's like a way that I play a 6 step martingale instead of 1-2-4-8-16-32 I bet 1-2-4-7-13-25.
My thinking is that since you often hit most of your wins in the 1st 3 bets, leave those as your winning bets and the bets afterwards as loss management bet. So, instead of losing 63 units if you lose 7 in a row, you only lose 52 units.
I know it may look crazy, but I feel that it helps conserve units which can be recovered more quickly.
It may not be as effective in this current system as it is in a marty. I'll have to think about it more closely.
That's why comments from people like you challenging ideas are so important in putting together a good system.
Thanks,
George
For those who are interested, I have been playing this on the dozens and it's an excellent method that incorporates both 1 and 2 dozen bets. The combination seems to fit together well enough to come back from some fairly deep drawdowns without too much risk.
I know there are losing sequences. There are for every and I mean every system. As professional roulette players, we are to expect them, take them in stride. Our chips must become, not money, but the tools of our trade. That's why we must have adequate banks backing us up so we don't let our emotions cause us to balk at just the wrong time. We must leverage every unit to the maximum if we intend to beat this game. Otherwise, we might as well go play horseshoes with the other members of the spit and whittle club.
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I track the dozens until all three have hit at least 1 time and then I bet the 1 that has hit least for a cycle of 3 spins. If I lose these 3 spins, I next bet 2 units on the 2 least hit dozens. If I hit one, I continue to play the other one for the full cycle. If I don't hit the other one, I bet it for 3 units and also the 2nd least hit dozen for 3 units. I never bet all three dozens at the same time. The only set of circumstances that would normally call for betting all 3 would be if I were betting 2 dozens and the unbet dozen happened to hit 3 times in a row.
If a dozen gets more than 6 hits (2 cycles) ahead of the other 2, I re-track. I continue with the same bet level, but a new least hit dozen.
G
Good luck mate! :thumbsup:
I just need to tell you that I tested FOR YOU the system on double streets with the sleepers idea and 5 betting cycle....
After winning 150 chips(with 5 $ chips) It went to -650 ;D
Happy winnings!
Dear George,
Betting a street that came least may fetch you sleepers. When a dozen go beyond 30 spins without hitting,just imagine what can happen to a poor street. Everytime you try only three numbers to hit, it is very dangerous I think and far from getting status of a holy grail. If you try just opposite to it you may reach somewhere. Just my experience and opinion.
Quote from: VIP on Jan 01, 06:17 AM 2011
Good luck mate! :thumbsup:
I just need to tell you that I tested FOR YOU the system on double streets with the sleepers idea and 5 betting cycle....
After winning 150 chips(with 5 $ chips) It went to -650 ;D
Happy winnings!
VIP,
Thanks for posting those results. I haven't had a run that bad, so it's good to know they are just around the corner. Obviously, some kind of re-track is advisable after 3 or 4 losses.
Quote from: albalaha on Jan 01, 07:41 AM 2011
Dear George,
Betting a street that came least may fetch you sleepers. When a dozen go beyond 30 spins without hitting,just imagine what can happen to a poor street. Everytime you try only three numbers to hit, it is very dangerous I think and far from getting status of a holy grail. If you try just opposite to it you may reach somewhere. Just my experience and opinion.
Albalaha,
I'm good with the idea of betting other than sleepers. I have been looking at jumping back and forth between furthest and recent or even adapting the bet method to include starting with 2 streets instead of 1.
Also, let's not forget that since we are betting the same amount on each street, we can stop betting on a street that has slept the longest when we win on one of the other streets. This is an automatic check agains betting for 30 plus bets on a sleeper.
Cheers,
George
When you bet sleeping numbers or sections, you are just begging for disaster to strike, because eventually you will certainly find a number or section that will stay asleep for an unusual number of spins. It may work in the short term, but in the long term it is suicide!
I only play numbers that are currently hitting, then what you will certainly find in the long term, is a number or section that will continue to repeat, and much to your benefit.
Luck to all in 2011!
Ben
Exactly Ben,
That is what I wanted to say. Rather, play on most active streets. This way you can lose only if every hot street turns slow only for you. Never play less than two streets to get a good chance to win.
Flukey Luke, VIP, Ben, Albalaha,
If any of you are still available for a comment, I have an observation about this system.
I think just increasing your bets by 1 unit per the original system is twisting the odds of winning. To increase by 1 when getting paid at 35:1 is okay, but is it the same ratio if you increase by only 1 at 11:1?
It just feels like we may need to increase by 2 unit steps instead of 1 units steps or maybe even 3 unit steps.
I don't have a lot of time right now for testing, so if any of you have any past experience thinking this way, or you can determine it off the top of your head, I'd much aprreciate it.
Thanks,
George
hi GLC,
i am also a turboGenious Fan.
I am now more devoted to small bankroll systems, they feel more "Real" to me, in the way i can put them at work in my visits to local casino.
anyway, i think increasing your bet on a win, stay the same on a loss until reach a new high, is a better money management than before. it feels safer and hopefully still profitable.
By the way i am currently using it at an adaptation of mine on pattern system by John Legend - wich i call Pattern X for no reason.
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Best Regards George.
If you want i can make some tests on this one
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Quote from: Benmaster on Jan 01, 05:47 PM 2011
When you bet sleeping numbers or sections, you are just begging for disaster to strike, because eventually you will certainly find a number or section that will stay asleep for an unusual number of spins. It may work in the short term, but in the long term it is suicide!
Ben
+1! yes 100 times
Quote from: albalaha on Jan 01, 11:11 PM 2011
Exactly Ben,
That is what I wanted to say. Rather, play on most active streets.
+1
guys, I'm sorry I didn't make it clear, but I have taken all your advice and am playing this on most recent hitting instead of farthest back. At least I intend to test it on most recent. My problem is that I want to test it on my airball machine and it for sure appears to have a tendency to favor more recent over farthest away.
Alberto. Your bet method is kind of what we're doing, I think. Except that after a cycle, we do increase by 1 and add another street. Maybe staying at 1 until we have a win and then increasing by 1 if we are still in the hole is a safer way to play. I'll give it a try.
Do you think waiting to add another street until we have a hit and are still minus is better or stay with adding another street after each 12 spin cycle with streets still being played.
If you don't mind, a little help testing betting your way would be helpful.
Thanks,
G
Quote from: GLC on May 15, 08:52 PM 2011
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Do you think waiting to add another street until we have a hit and are still minus is better or stay with adding another street after each 12 spin cycle with streets still being played.
If you don't mind, a little help testing betting your way would be helpful.
Thanks,
G
I think add another is better to get out of the hole.
i will test it.
Quote from: GLC on May 15, 08:52 PM 2011
Guys, I'm sorry I didn't make it clear, but I have taken all your advice and am playing this on most recent hitting instead of farthest back. At least I intend to test it on most recent.
G
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good stuff!
This post is a bit old stuff, but I found it this morning, and tested it. I run the method for hours, the reason, it went so well, and wanted to see if and when problems will come, I got 1260 units plus, average about 5+ after each hit, sometimes it needed two or once three hits to reach new high.
One thing I changed were the bet selection, I use to not bet on sleepers, I took always the second last shown street, the street just before the hitting, (second last otherwise it will always be the same street), no other tracking.
I changed the progression, so I put two chips on the second street, after 10 trials, keeping the single chip on the street which did not hit in 10 trails, 2 on the second and the same then three streets were in play, most on the new, the other I suspect could be long sleepers, and the thought is a hit on the street with two or three pays more.
Has anybody tested it for longer time?
It went very well, max three streets betting, max three chips on each other, and it were a few times only. I will do some more, this time the hit rate were so good, I do not believe it will on average perform so well.