Hello dear friends
Victor has asked me to explain, due to serious problems in his private life he will not be around for a while
I will leave it for Vic to say the exact details as its so private
Please, bear with him. Its a difficult time.
oh dear.
i'm sure we all wish victor all the very best.
Sorry to hear that Victor. All the very best.
Best Wishes to the Forum Admin.
Though missing at this moment, his wisdom, Topics, ideas and the very essence of this hallowed place that he has shaped,
will keep us all going till his return.
We will all be here, waiting for his next posting.
Our thoughts are with him, carrying him on and into the future.
Be strong buddie, and we will be equally resolute in keeping this place clean, tidy, orderly...........................
and above all, the centre of excellence in all matters Roulette.
See you on Ur next post Victor.
This from ALL Ur fellows at RouletteForum.cc
I know Vic 3 years now from the old Vls.
I hope everything will go OK for him and his lovely family.
Best of wishes partner!
We are "Brothers" and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with this man we call Victor. He is experiencing a crisis at the moment so it is our jobs to stand strong for him and give all of the support we are able to give.
Victor is a strong man who can overcome any adversity but there are times in any man's life when the support of his friends and his brothers are needed and I think I speak for all of us when I say:
Our prayers are with you. Compared to personal problems, roulette really doesn't mean much ....it's only a game. Our "Spirits" and best wishes go with you my friend and hopefully that knowledge will help to uplift your soul and make this an easier obstacle to overcome.
May God Be With You
Scooby Doo
You are missed Victor. Hope it all works out for you.
Thanks for the info. I hope everything turns out okay.
Ken
Dear Victor,
I will add you to my prayer list and pray for you every day until this situation is resolved.
May God direct your steps.
George
I would also like to wish Victor all the best . . . . . . . . . . .
iggy
I hope that you will solve the problems and come back soon.
Now take it easy and come back only when you are ready.
Best wishes
there is a saying in my country:
"ain't no bad lasts forever, ain't no good that has no end"
keep it real
hope that's not health problem
best wishes
Just one of things that Life throws at us.
It's how we handle it that matters.
Sure hope Victor is ok...
Things like this can happen.
And can throw our lives out of whack.
:-*
I hope it has more to do with computer problems than anything else. Vic, come back safely, we want to know how u r doin
best wishes to you vic. Hope that everything turns out fine. Keep the faith.
CHeers
hamsup
Vic,
Hope everything is OK with you and your family. If you need any help and there is anything that I can do for you let me know. You will be in my prayers.
Thank you. From the bottom of my heart.
I think you deserve to know what is happening.
Something family-breaking happened and the last few days I have been only dealing with moving, lawers and starting divorce.
Sorry for not answering dear friends. Now you know the reason.
The wife has moved and by it I'm sad to announce I've been separated from Victor Jr. and he is not living any longer here at my household. I need to make adjustements on my personal life therefore. Here in Venezuela the law stablish that when there is a child in the middle there must be a year before validating divorces, so I'm not officially "un-married" until 2012.
We have tried everything, this is the second time something similar happens.
Those were great years, but a time must come when things simply can't go on, and one has to move forward.
I am gathering myself back again, the worst has happened already, and as I get myself back I have more motivation for giving more to Vic Jr. since he is my son for a lifetime. I am more motivated to work harder now. Both on- and off-line. I must prove I'm a suitable parent for enough share of his custody.
Thanks again for your kind words of support, this is a particularly hard time and it is reassuring to feel you as part of my life do care too.
Your grateful and friendly forum admin,
Victor
Hi Victor,
Having gone though a similar thing as you 18 months ago my heart goes out to you, I am still raw from the experience, but you have to go on for the children, and do your very best for them and you.
I would love to tell you that with time things will get better and on the whole it does, but at times the pain and hurt comes flooding back, that is when you need your friends and family around you to help you through the tough times.
You have a lot of friends on this forum and I am sure in your personal life, and the one thing I have learnt though this experience is never be afraid or too proud to ask for help.
You are never truly on your own when you have friends/family and people around you that care for you.
Be strong.
Philip
amen
I've never been married, but I do remember the pains of a divorce from 34 years ago with my parents and wouldn't want anyone I cared about to have to go through this.
Malcop was right in that you have many friends here at the Forum. If there is anything I can do to help, just ask.
I will be praying for you and yours.
Thank you for your messages.
I do feel comforted by all your kind words.
Thank you.
Victor
The first time this happened we mailed each other on the old VLS because I have been through this too.
So I am concerned that you are back in this situation. If I can help in anyway then you can find me here....and as you can see others are here for you too.
Hello Victor,
My thoughts and prayers are with you. Divorce is always a difficult thing, but itââ,¬â,,¢s even harder when youââ,¬â,,¢re separated from your children. Hereââ,¬â,,¢s hoping that you and Victor Jr. will be re-united as soon as possible.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Jan 13, 09:04 AM 2011
Victor
The first time this happened we mailed each other on the old VLS because I have been through this too.
So I am concerned that you are back in this situation. If I can help in anyway then you can find me here....and as you can see others are here for you too.
Yes, this is recurrent. I think there isn't much left to do.
I have seen this type of "loops" over other people's marriages and it always end up badly. One must put stops while people still can talk to each other as there is a child in between.
I know the fight for Jr. is barely starting, I'm willing to put up plenty of myself into it. Getting out of my "comfort zone" regarding jobs and adjusting my life accordingly.
I know this is for the better. One of the things I have learned is "lyfe comes in cycles"... and an open cycle will come back the same later again. One has to address matters with measures if one wants better outcomes.
Quote from: crownroyal on Jan 13, 11:38 AM 2011
Here’s hoping that you and Victor Jr. will be re-united as soon as possible.
We are being reunited. I'm seeing him later today.
We are set to talk to the lawer in some hours and both of us must be present. She brings him!
Thank you very much again dear friends.
Yours truly,
Your friendly forum admin.
Victor
I know how you feel mate, thinkin of ya and sending you healing light and love
Wow. What a great bunch of guys.
I'm even blessed by your obvious love and concern for Victor.
I count it a real blessing to be a part of this group of quality people.
George
Know how you feel Vic mate,as went through it 6 times,
and am still kicking.
My dear friend, Victor,
I hope this finds you with the strength and patience to find your way through another of life's problems. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Warmest regards,
Wally Gator
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jan 13, 04:47 PM 2011
My dear friend, Victor,
I hope this finds you with the strength and patience to find your way through another of life's problems. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Warmest regards,
Wally Gator
Dear Wally.
Your kind words mean a lot in this particular time.
Thank you.
An update on the situation.
Yesterday she brought Jr. and we went to a neighbor lawyer to check her fees, documentation, etc.
Lawyer adviced us to take some time to talk about it, that she sees it every day: fought couples who start divorce just to cancel it and losing all legal fees in the process.
She said there is an opportunity since at least we can talk to each other. Real bad cases end up with only lawyers talking to each other on behalf of each party and not the couple.
It happened on sunday, and it's been less than a week since. She said she is OK to get the documentation, but not making it official until at least we discuss it for some weeks; that it is the better for the child, and anyway the "separation of bodies" legal resource is there to allow for a year of reconciliation.
With a minor under 5, Venezuelan law establish the couple must use "separation of bodies" instead of a flat divorce. So in any case we aren't going to be divorced right away.
I'll keep you guys updated.
I must retake my regular working schedule, so I'll be more time online around.
Thanks for your concerns and caring.
Victor
Is there any chance of a reconciliation mate ?
Its the same here, I had to wait 1 year for mine too :-\
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 14, 09:18 AM 2011
Is there any chance of a reconciliation mate ?
She explicitly said she's still in anger. Precisely because of that we were advised NOT to proceed entering the documents for the civil registry right away.
In other circumstances as a couple
without a small child, divorce goes straight in less than a week, but since there is Jr. in the middle the advice was to give it some weeks to see if there is a chance of a friendly comeback.
If not, even after entering documents and paying legal fees the document has a mandatory clause enforcing an exact 365 days hold before the towns' civil registry offices nullify the marriage.
I'll keep you guys updated. Also, on monday I may be getting a regular 8-hour job.
I've been adviced to have constancy of salary and a current job reference from a company. It can also be beneficial psychologically to know I'm not relying only on temporary contracts, particularly these days.
Kind regards.
"Also, on monday I may be getting a regular 8-hour job."
that's one GOOD NEWS!!! Keep pushing, good luck!!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 14, 10:49 AM 2011
"Also, on monday I may be getting a regular 8-hour job."
that's one GOOD NEWS!!! Keep pushing, good luck!!! :thumbsup:
Well, I do love and enjoy working on my own and some months are truly magnificent, making more than a salary man can do... (but then it's on the hunt again)!
On the other hand, this enables me to relax and -well- enjoy steady income. At least until all of this is past.
u need some peace of mind. When u can be efficient freelancer u don't need 9 to 5 job, but otherwise...
UPDATE:
Wife came earlier today with Jr.
She was more calmed. She said not to proceed with divorce, to better give time to time and seek for peace. Lawyer was informed.
She won't move back home, but at least we can take it at personal level and not legal.
I hope in time we can grow confidence and be mature enough to carry on. Right now, the only sure thing is we love Jr, and we don't want to hurt him.
Perhaps my lesson is to value what I had. Perhaps her lesson is not to start rushing things when there are other ways. Either reasons, we can start a new page. Not living together, but still with a bond.
From this point on, I must resume work, she must resume her activities, she wants to take a new career, I support her to do so.
...I can sleep in peace now, at least I know there's hope. I want to be my son's father for the long run. In the future we may live back together as a family. I know it can't be right away, but I know in my heart people can forgive each other in time. Let's give time to time. Let's allow for the time to come.
Thanks to all for your cherished and valued kind words of support.
I hope good times come for our board.
Yours truly,
Victor
novedades buenas :thumbsup:
"...I can sleep in peace now, at least I know there's hope."
That is the best news so far. :thumbsup:
You're both talking. The door is still open. You both want peace and a happy outcome.
It won't be easy, but there are some green shoots of new life and a new understanding already appearing, judging from what you've written so far.
Good things happen where there is Love...
Pax tecum.
Quote from: VLS on Jan 15, 08:00 PM 2011
I want to be my son's father for the long run.
Yours truly,
Victor
My Dear friend Victor.
Its great news to hear of your progress. I truly hope the best outcome for each and everyone of you involved,
Having been divorced for 22 years now, and with four wonderful children from the marriage, I can tell you that keeping up the contact with
both the children, and their mother, was the hardest, and the most rewarding experience I have encountered.
It also turns out the most important thing that has occupied my Personal life ever since we split.
I still get on well with my ex-wife to this day, and have helped them out in all sorts of ways- she went on to re-marry and have a 5th child. And that child comes to my house too!
One thing to set in stone for Urself right from the outset, is that children are the most resourceful of the human race, and will adapt quickly to changing arrangements.
Usually better than the adults do.!!
I see all four of my children very regularly, they have free, unrestricted access to me 24/7 & 365, one of them works with me in my profession.
Remember this too, with regard to the line I have highlighted in your message quoted above.....................No matter what occurs..................
U will
ALWAYS be your son's father....................................That will
NEVER alter.
All the best Victor.
Christopher.
Hello Victor,
Happy to hear that things are starting to improve for you. I was married for 11 years and then divorced. Fortunately, no kids. We went our separate ways for 5 years and then hooked up again. We don't live together, but we have been seeing each other for the past 13 years. We're closer than ever. I think the relationship works because we are not living together.
A friend told me an old saying that you may have already heard. It goes like this : Men marry women, thinking that they will never change, but they do. Women marry men, thinking that they will change, but they don't. There's the problem.
I'm hoping that things continue to improve for you, your wife, and Victor Jr.
Sincerely,
crownroyal
@Chris
Thank you dear Chris.
I ment it more in the sense of never wanting a 3rd party to rise my son under values which aren't my own. That won't happen. I'm making everything I can humanly make in order to vouch for reconciliation. And I mean it in full. I do not want to live away from my family.
I do know it can take time to reunite, but we are moving forward, little by little. With every visit, with every interaction. In the mean time while we aren't living together, I'm focusing on getting financial resources and offering as much support as I can to her and Jr.
@Crown
QuoteI think the relationship works because we are not living together.
In
my book family must be united, turning a house into home. I'm a family man and gladly admit it!
But
I don't judge. I also know: Each couple a world. Each person a cosmos.
If you both are happy that's what matters the most.Thank you for sharing your experience(s).
Hi Victor
Sad to hear of your tribulations, but pleasedv that there may be some light at the end of the tunnel! My thoughts are with you. One day at a time.
Best wishes
Wishing you peace and all the best Victor. Never let anger rule your decisions. I've been married / divorced three times all nasty argumentitive when Lawyers involved. Settled down to peaceful discussions later on one to one. Children adapted better than I thought, Daughter and son found me after a few years and very close now.
A thoughtful post, demac.
And, from a fellow Antipodean, welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:
Thank you dear friends for your most thoughtful advice.
The worse times have passed. I am seeing Jr. almost on a daily basis now.
As for the day job, I conceded it to a long-term friend who was in greater dismay (mom ill, unemployed).
At least I got my local IT clients, he's got nothing --Well, now he's got the job.
I am taking my time to make 2011 the year I finally either become a full-time web programmer OR the year I forget about the internet and go intern into working for a local company full time.
As for the personal life, I look forward to have everything sorted by the end of the year. With my son by my side again and -hopefully- wifey completely back.
Slowly but surely.
Interesting year in my life indeed!
Vic
Quote from: VLS on Jan 18, 07:53 PM 2011
Thank you dear friends for your most thoughtful advice.
The worse times have passed. I am seeing Jr. almost on a daily basis now.
As for the day job, I conceded it to a long-term friend who was in greater dismay (mom ill, unemployed).
At least I got my local IT clients, he's got nothing --Well, now he's got the job.
I am taking my time to make 2011 the year I finally either become a full-time web programmer OR the year I forget about the internet and go intern into working for a local company full time.
As for the personal life, I look forward to have everything sorted by the end of the year. With my son by my side again and -hopefully- wifey completely back.
Slowly but surely.
Interesting year in my life indeed!
Vic
well keep pushing. I hope people will value and pay u back somehow for what u do for them
on consistent basis. Keep pushing setting realistic goals and achieving .
Good luck!
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 18, 08:47 PM 2011
well keep pushing. I hope people will value and pay you back somehow for what you do for them
on consistent basis. Keep pushing setting realistic goals and achieving .
Good luck!
Yes my brother, either online or offline I know I'm going to be fine.
I have my feet on the ground. My aim is to be a proficient developer, not to be a full-time gambler with all the uncertainties attached (i.e. feed my family IF the ball lands on my bet slot,
that's unacceptable!).
I can still be an active weekend player, but not taking it to any level, just for fun and relax. If I make some EXTRA, good, but never relying on it to "put the bacon on the table", that's what the job is for.
Thanks for your kind words dear Iggiv.
Hi Victor
Good to see things taking such a positive turn for you :thumbsup:
Hopefully, the tipping-tool will also eventually help put bacon-on-the-table.
We all realise time and energy are often in short supply when life takes a sudden turn.
So everyone understands it could well be down on the list at the moment because -- inevitably -- priorities sometimes have to change after a personal crisis.
Actually dear Esoito, the tipping tool may be a short-lived project.
Every time I spend trying to tweak it is time I'm not coding other things. Perhaps I must do a release and cut it soon after.
Of course, I'm honoring every session booked. I just don't want to spend my life trying to find the "sweet spot" that will work for every person so to speak. It will work for some, it won't work for some others. That's it. I am done trying to achieve that mythical 100%!! (unachievable).
Also, I'm slowly starting my VLS.cc (link:://VLS.cc) site, little by little, and hope to derive a recurring income from it. I could also do roulette software, but I'm reluctant to do it for a fee. I know several members have paid 3rd-party programmers for coding roulette systems and are disappointed for having paid for it... What I want to do is to help people in the roulette community to learn to code their own systems so no money is lost, and the learned processes can also be applied into other fields.
Quote from: VLS on Jan 19, 07:01 PM 2011
Actually dear Esoito, the tipping tool may be a short-lived project.
Every time I spend trying to tweak it is time I'm not coding other things. Perhaps I must do a release and cut it soon after.
Probably the way to go :thumbsup:
Of course, I'm honoring every session booked. I just don't want to spend my life trying to find the "sweet spot" that will work for every person so to speak. It will work for some, it won't work for some others. That's it. I am done trying to achieve that mythical 100%!! (unachievable).
Yep. The H G sure is elusive... ;D
But you weren't far off from what I could tell in the beta-testing
Also, I'm slowly starting my VLS.cc (link:://VLS.cc) site, little by little, and hope to derive a recurring income from it.
And you've now got your first new member -- little ol' me! ;)
I could also do roulette software, but I'm reluctant to do it for a fee. I know several members have paid 3rd-party programmers for coding roulette systems and are disappointed for having paid for it... What I want to do is to help people in the roulette community to learn to code their own systems so no money is lost, and the learned processes can also be applied into other fields.
An admirable objective. Be interesting to see how that unfolds.
Although how you'll find the time for that as well is going to be a big ask of yourself.
You could get overloaded so easily and so quickly...but you already realise that, I'm sure!
Quote from: VLS on Jan 19, 07:01 PM 2011
What I want to do is to help people in the roulette community to learn to code their own systems so no money is lost, and the learned processes can also be applied into other fields.
A noble goal Victor - help people to help themselves. Programming is a very useful skill which can open up all kinds of doors. I will definitely keep an eye on your new forum.
QuoteWhat I want to do is to help people in the roulette community to learn to code their own systems so no money is lost, and the learned processes can also be applied into other fields.
Depending on what software they chose to code in.
So far we have Basic.
Pascal
Delphi
C++
Great to see you posting again Victor and I am happy for you that things seem to be taking a turn for the better on the home front. :thumbsup:
It is a brilliant idea to educate people on how to create the code for their own systems.
From a personal perspective, I would rather pay someone to teach me a new skill over just letting them do it for me. Anyway, I look forward to learning more and good luck with your new venture.
Regarding the tipping tool, I still have faith that somewhere down the line you will produce something very worthwile. These things take loads of time and it would be very premature for people to write it off.
Quote from: VLS on Jan 19, 07:01 PM 2011
Actually dear Esoito, the tipping tool may be a short-lived project.
Every time I spend trying to tweak it is time I'm not coding other things. Perhaps I must do a release and cut it soon after.
Of course, I'm honoring every session booked. I just don't want to spend my life trying to find the "sweet spot" that will work for every person so to speak. It will work for some, it won't work for some others. That's it. I am done trying to achieve that mythical 100%!! (unachievable).
Dear Victor,
Not to be taken as offensive but am I the only one that sees the profitability potential for
YOU of the tipping tool?
If it works as you say, cannot say for myself really, I had done very little testing before the server crashed, it would draw in many players.
Me personally, I plan to use it for 15-20 sessions DAILY(small units, relying on overall profit for the day). That's 15$ in session fees just from me. Multiplied by 30 days equals 450$.
Now its safe to assume that there are 30 people on this forum that would plan to use the tool. 10 of them would play every day, approx 6-10 sessions each, 10 of them would play every other day approx 5 sessions, and 10 of them would play 1 session per day.
So you have
10 people by roughly 8 sessions/8 dollars daily by 30 days = 2400$
10 people by roughly 5 sessions/5 dollars every other day*15 days = 750$
10 people by 1 session/1 dollar daily = 300$
then you have extra 450$ just from my sessions
so if my math is correct the above sums up to roughly
3900$ PER MONTH, just for supporting the service against crashes from merely 31 active players. Imagine if you draw in 100, or 500 players.
Now, how is that not going to put that bacon on your table?
At least if the service is not going to happen, just say so, as many of us have been holding our breath for months now since you did a very good job in building up the tension for the tool's effectiveness over this period. I clearly remember one member asking "Is this the end of roulette as we know it?" and you replied "No, not really, as there are millions of other players out there that play their own systems and hunches and would not deviate from their understanding, even if it is a losing one." That clearly showed what enormous confidence you have in your project.
Regards
Quote from: sekuritati on Jan 20, 03:00 PM 2011
Dear Victor,
Not to be taken as offensive but am I the only one that sees the profitability potential for YOU of the tipping tool?
If it works as you say, cannot say for myself really, I had done very little testing before the server crashed, it would draw in many players.
Me personally, I plan to use it for 15-20 sessions DAILY(small units, relying on overall profit for the day). That's 15$ in session fees just from me. Multiplied by 30 days equals 450$.
Now its safe to assume that there are 30 people on this forum that would plan to use the tool. 10 of them would play every day, approx 6-10 sessions each, 10 of them would play every other day approx 5 sessions, and 10 of them would play 1 session per day.
So you have
10 people by roughly 8 sessions/8 dollars daily by 30 days = 2400$
10 people by roughly 5 sessions/5 dollars every other day*15 days = 750$
10 people by 1 session/1 dollar daily = 300$
then you have extra 450$ just from my sessions
so if my math is correct the above sums up to roughly 3900$ PER MONTH, just for supporting the service against crashes from merely 31 active players. Imagine if you draw in 100, or 500 players.
Now, how is that not going to put that bacon on your table?
At least if the service is not going to happen, just say so, as many of us have been holding our breath for months now since you did a very good job in building up the tension for the tool's effectiveness over this period. I clearly remember one member asking "Is this the end of roulette as we know it?" and you replied "No, not really, as there are millions of other players out there that play their own systems and hunches and would not deviate from their understanding, even if it is a losing one." That clearly showed what enormous confidence you have in your project.
Regards
i second that. if this will take even a year more to implement it slowly (not disturbing other things in life), Victor could do a great thing in his life as in life of the others.
I checked this tool a few times (when i had this possibility) and all times it won. I think it is worth it to continue, though not to break a head over it. As Victor said, winning rate was amazing.
anyway if it can't be done as it is now, then it is worth to cooperate with some other programmers to implement it.
Victor,
You're still on my list.
I know that you will make coming decisions based on what's best for Victor Jr. first and foremost then yourself and your wife.
We must sacrifice so our kids don't suffer because of the parent's mistakes.
You've got a lot of prayers and good wishes coming your way from all over the world. Wow! What place to be in. Sounds like a pivotal year in your life.
May God bless every step.
George
Thank you dear friends.
This year is indeed a pivotal year.
Like sekuritati says (I'm a bit more realistic in my appreciations, but I do hope this brings in consistent profits... and I an make it pass as "non gambling!", which is what I'm being demanded to offer).
...and Iggiv, this was very pleasant to read:
QuoteVictor could do a great thing in his life as in life of the others.
I checked this tool a few times (when I had this possibility) and all times it won. I think it is worth it to continue, though not to break a head over it. As Victor said, winning rate was amazing.
Thank you. I do hope to bring a good proposition to the table.
Cheers!
Yours,
(a happier)
Vic
Oh the scent of expectancy in the air.
It sure smells good. :love:
I ain't going to be the one putting any dampness on this fire, the optimism is fantastic to read.
Possibly the figures mentioned a tad over ambitious, tho it shows the potential that
could be realised by the originator, and his family, for they will all benefit.
Bring the TooL to the table my friend, ever mind the bacon!!
I'll slap it between two rounds of bread for good measure!
In summary tho, I just want to say, all the positive words, messages and encouragement, are wonderful to read- I surround my self in positive thoughts every day of my life, and it pays off.
The dividend here for VLS, is to be the backbone to the software, the server relationship, and keeping the forum updated as to the REAL-TIME results. (And notes on any tweaks made.)
Looks like Twisteruk's RESULTS topic will soon be open for business, and let the good, the bad and the down right ugly, pour into that thread.
There will be disappointment for some, tears and tantrums may break out too, tho lets just hope that for the majority of TippinG TooL users, the results put a lovely smile on that face of Ur's.
And mine too. :) ;) :-*
Happy Birthday Chris. :P
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 23, 04:12 AM 2011
that for the majority of TippinG TooL users, the results put a lovely smile on that face of your's.
And mine too. :) ;) :-*
Happy Birthday Chris. :P
If that is the case.Then why not play in teams? That way everybody would come out ahead.
Quote from: furple on Jan 23, 06:04 AM 2011
If that is the case.Then why not play in teams? That way everybody would come out ahead.
Yep.
Lets set Up a new Topic then, as soon as testing is complete, and the TooL is released for REAL TIME use.
I'd be up for being in a team. [attachimg=#]
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 23, 01:01 PM 2011
Yep.
Lets set Up a new Topic then, as soon as testing is complete, and the TooL is released for REAL TIME use.
I'd be up for being in a team. [attachimg=#]
Sounds like a plan. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bayes on Jan 20, 05:39 AM 2011
A noble goal Victor - help people to help themselves. Programming is a very useful skill which can open up all kinds of doors. I will definitely keep an eye on your new forum.
Being able to program is great in theory, I wish I was a competent programmer. I can
design and produce complex roulette systems, but I doubt very much if I would be able
to attain the degree of skill necessary to program a complex roulette system.
If anyone disagrees with my assessment of becoming a proficient programmer let me know
I will be only too pleased to hear from you.
Richard
QuoteIf anyone disagrees with my assessment of becoming a proficient programmer let me know
I will be only too pleased to hear from you
Hi Richard
It's not that difficult if you understand the basics, it's just a matter of knowing how to manipulate the data you are working with, to learn how to start is probably best in pseudo code, for example making a cup of coffee in pseudo would look something like this
WANT = coffee x1
check kettle has water
if not kettle has water
fill kettle
hold kettle under tap turn tap on
check kettle plugged in
if not plugged in
plug kettle in
check socket switched on
if not socket = on
switch socket on
if all above = true
turn kettle on
got mug ?
got spoon ?
if no spoon, open draw etc
need sugar ?
need coffee powder
need milk ?
Its all routines to check if you have what you think you should have, most languages have built in functions to do all the checking, its just a case of using the correct function for the job.
Lets say you want to find the last time red landed, your tool would spin and add the results as they happen into a main array, then you could scan over that array looking for the first mention of red, the array would then return a value of where that red was found, this would give you a number eg, 6 spins ago, if that falls within your criteria you next step of making the coffee wouyld be to place the bet on black, then spin and then check the result
if win
reset progression back to 1
if lose
add to the progression, or multiply by 2 if using martingale
So basically its in 3 stages, any roulette strategy that is
find trigger
place bet
check win lose
You can then add all sorts of if statements for example, if you wanted to reset progression as soon as you are ahead, you would need variables that monitor the chip outlay and return, with some progressions dalembert for example, you go up a scale when a loss hits and go back down on a win, depending on the progression values you may go up to level 6 and after 2 or 3 wins be ahead in units so instead of waiting for the dalambert to hit the first stage again you could zero it out thus saving 2 levels of your scale.
Hope thats not too confusing for you
Quote from: Richard on Jan 24, 07:24 AM 2011
If anyone disagrees with my assessment of becoming a proficient programmer let me know
I will be only too pleased to hear from you.
Richard
Hello dear Richard,
First start by sticking to the most
easy-to-use programming language you can find.
Any flavor of a modern BASIC dialect can do.
I recommend Visual Basic.NET or FREEBASIC
Then begin by learning programming concepts and doing tiny tasks, which can get more elaborated as you improve your skills.
Crawl, walk, run! :)
Hi Richard,
I concur with Victor and superman, start off simple and don't try to run before you can walk.
You might like to try BBCBasic (link:://:.bbcbasic.co.uk/bbcwin/bbcwin.html). It comes with a nice beginner's tutorial which doesn't assume any prior programming experience and you can try the demo version for free.
Programming isn't that hard, but it can take a while before you "get it". It helps if you take a methodical, logical approach, although there's plenty of scope for creativity.
I would also recommend this book (link:://:.amazon.co.uk/Designing-Computer-Programs-Haigh-Dip-Ed/dp/034061398X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295882463&sr=8-1). Following the design methodology will save you an awful lot of headaches in the future when your programs get more complex...
My thanks to superman, Victor and Bayes for your helpful replies.
I will seriously follow up your helpful suggestions and if it's ok I will ask any questions in
a new thread. Let's see if I "get it" within a reasonable period of time.
Hello dear friends, may I suggest we take the programming debate to VLS.cc (link:://VLS.cc)?
There's a programming section where we can interact, so we keep the technical matters over there and focus in roulette here :)
JustBASIC is FREE!! I use it for my personal roulette stuff.
Active forum. Good tutorials. (It's the free spinoff from the more advanced LibertyBASIC)
link:://:.justbasic.com/ (link:://:.justbasic.com/)
BBCBasic is OK but you have to buy it.
You really need a free one to test the water first.
Thanks esoito for the info.
The BBC Basic seems ideal for a beginner, but will check out Just BASIC as well.
I like the comment in their news section:
"Our Just BASIC programming language gets mentioned as being used to develop software
for advanced submarines."
Surely advanced roulette systems should be no problem ::) :thumbsup: