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I've been testing a Random System

Pick any 4 Corners you like. 4 of them. 16 numbers in total


I've been doing it so that each Dozen and Column is covered


Also don't worry about spitting the dozens in two with a 4 number split


don't forget 0123 IS a four number corner, easy to forget.



Staking, I use a Grand Marti starting at 0.25p. You can use the one you feel most comfortable with



I've been making around 100pts an hour





And that's about it  :)







                      EDIT: Please Read Reply #52 on: 24-01-2011, 17:14:08

Hi mate,

Playing corners could get higher profits in very short term :)

Yep  :)

Its just another Bet Selection  :thumbsup:

Just had another totally Random session

+161 Units

 :thumbsup:

Maybe this is the constant win method :))

Bud I don't believe it will work consistently. I tried random. not corners, but single numbers (which is more random than corners) . yes, they win for some time, then it all goes back. basically if you flatbet it, it is gonna jump up and down around zero minus house edge. if you use progressions you may finally lose (cause this way finally you gonna catch on "cold  waves"). on a long run of course. on a couple thousand spins you may win big though.

basically random gives you zero minus house edge. whatever you pick.

True.

It is Random aznd just another form of bet selection


Ive seen SOOOO many complicated Methods of bet selection, I just thought what the hell-keep it simple keep it random. So I did.


I just finished another session +88 Units



So far Ive never been in a hole. But early days  :)

u may ride for long time on this train. But not forever for sure. It is not BBC news.

Quote from: iggiv on Jan 21, 03:01 PM 2011
U may ride for long time on this train. But not forever for sure. It is not BBC news.

I dont disagree with you.

Hi Twister,

How does the grand marty look again, sorry i forgot!

And re you changing your 4 corners with each spin?

Thanks!

Buffalo

Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 21, 03:17 PM 2011
Hi Twister,

How does the grand marty look again, sorry I forgot!

And re you changing your 4 corners with each spin?

Thanks!

Buffalo

The Grand marti is double ure stake plus one unit

So if ure betting 0.25p and lose ure next stake is 0.75p etc etc


Yep just a random selection of 4 corners after every win (16 numbers), no change on a lose. Play those 16 until a win

I do keep all dozens and columns covered, even if its by only 2 or 4 numbers. I split the dozens, as in I cover four number that are 2 inside the 1st dozen and 2 inside the 2nd dozen etc etc

What's the largest bet you've had to make so far?

Do you have a stop loss picked yet?

How does this feel compared to you system where you bet all 3 e.c.'s with a marty?

I think I will try it later using my bet selection method outlines in my topic "Universal Principle, Almost".

That bet selection works really well on streets so I don't see why it wouldn't work on corners.  It'll take some finagling' to deal with the overlap problem, but it should be doable.

Thanks,

GLC

Quote from: GLC on Jan 21, 09:31 PM 2011
What's the largest bet you've had to make so far?

the highest its gone, for me, is level 5. It will go higher. It will bust as some point Im sure.

Do you have a stop-loss picked yet?

I've been playing with 500 Units, and never been in a hole yet.

How does this feel compared to you system where you bet all 3 e.c.'s with a marty?

I think I prefer this Method of bet selection. Maybe because its a newer and hence more exciting play

I think I will try it later using my bet selection method outlines in my topic "Universal Principle, Almost".

That bet selection works really well on streets so I don't see why it wouldn't work on corners.  It'll take some finagling' to deal with the overlap problem, but it should be doable.

Thanks,

GLC

Just played another Random Session

+202 Units
Highest Level 4

All Four Corners chosen at Random, but making sure all Dozens and Columns are covered even if its only by 2 numbers


Please come Test this and check out your Randomness  :thumbsup:

Just had another Session of around 1.5hrs

+177 Units

Was never in the negative, apart from the 1st bet (obviously)


Highest Level was 5

I'm very impressed mate.    :thumbsup:

All systems will fail in the end.

The idea is to know when to stop before the storm.

Yes, I cud not agree more


So far Im nicely up and playing as we speak  :)

Ok just finished a session and ended +155 Units


Level 6 was the highest



I think a bank of around 500 Units works nicely with this System

Maybe because its Random ?

Maybe because it has No Triggers ?

Maybe that means it has no meaning ?

Maybe ?

Just had a great Session !

+277 Units

Highest Level 5

Ok final session of the day and that brings my running total to

+1158 Units

Zero Losses



Try it, you might like it  :thumbsup:

Hi Twister,

Well done mate, impressive to say the least. How many levels of progression does your budget allow for? Or do you have a built in stop/loss?

Thanks

BW

Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 22, 04:51 PM 2011
Hi Twister,

Well done mate, impressive to say the least. How many levels of progression does your budget allow for? Or do you have a built in stop/loss?

Thanks

BW

Hi BW


I can go to level 8


The beauty of this System though is your always changing the 4 corners after a win


You have 16 numbers


Ive never experienced ALL 16 numbers to go to sleep when I start betting them. But I accept it could.


Im nicely ahead now so if a session of 16 numbers all slept for 8 spins I can now soak it up


Cheers  :thumbsup:

First Session of the day and ended with,


+169 Units

Highest Level 5

lol try as I might it aint losin yet !


Another 222 Units Profit


Highest Level 5

Okay Twister,

Before I start testing this in opposition to testing the last 237 systems I have posted in the last 4 days, ;D ;D :lol:,  does this hit often enough to be able to use any even chance bet methods, like D'Alembert, +2-2, pluscoup, labby, etc... or does it hit only once every 3 or 4 spins?

Marty, grand or otherwise, is a little rich for my blood lately. :'(

G

Hi George


I would say most hits happen on the 2nd 3rd or 4th spin. However it can go 5 6 7, even higher as you know



Good luck with ure testing  :thumbsup:

Alright its been a good day  :)


Unless others test/play I wont update this thread anymore as it feels like Im talking to myself lol  :-\


Anyway, it continues to make good Profit  :thumbsup:
And seems like a good tool in ure Arsenal  ;D

Hello, Twister. I am requesting more information on this system. You are betting on four different corners every spin and they should all touch each dozen and column? How does your progression work? Like if you started with one unit for example? I understand the 500 bankroll thing but I'm thinking in terms of progression something like 1,2,4,7,10,15,22,30 possibly? Looking forward to hearing from you!

Just did a test run.

I bet on 4 corners only: 1-2-4-5; 11-12-14-15; 22-23-25-26 and 32-33-35-36.

This meets the requirements of having every dozen and column covered.  There are 6 numbers in dozen, 4 numbers in dozen 2 and 6 numbers in dozen 3.
There are 4 numbers in column 1, 8 numbers in column 2 and  4 numbers in column 3.

I just reached +100 units betting the following progression.

4-4-8-8-12-12-16-16-20-20 etc...

Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 2 steps to the left from the win number.  Continue to move 2 steps to the left after each win until you reach a new high balance then start over.

If you hit one of the 1st 3 bets you will be at a new high so start over.

The following statement should not be read by VIP.
If you can come up with a trigger to bet on another 4 corners or not bet every spin on these 4 corners but use some kind of a trigger such as 2 or 3 Loses in a row and then start betting, it may improve your hit rate a smidgen. 

Thanks Twister,

George

Quote from: Droganson on Jan 23, 02:58 PM 2011
Hello, Twister. I am requesting more information on this system. You are betting on four different corners every spin and they should all touch each dozen and column? How does your progression work? Like if you started with one unit for example? I understand the 500 bankroll thing but I'm thinking in terms of progression something like 1,2,4,7,10,15,22,30 possibly? Looking forward to hearing from you!

Hey Droganson

No, not 4 different corners on every spin ! SAME 4 corners until a win THEN switch it around


As long as every dozen and column is covered then all is good (even if its only by 1 or 2 numbers)


Most wins come within 4 spins, I find. some 5 or 6th spin.



MY progression is a Grand Marti (double stake plus one unit)
0.25 then 0.75 then 1.75 etc etc




Just be Random in your 4 corner selection. Bounce around !



So far my 16 numbers have not slept for the full 8 spins. But I accept they will at some point.

Quote from: GLC on Jan 23, 04:06 PM 2011
Just did a test run.

I bet on 4 corners only: 1-2-4-5; 11-12-14-15; 22-23-25-26 and 32-33-35-36.

This meets the requirements of having every dozen and column covered.  There are 6 numbers in dozen, 4 numbers in dozen 2 and 6 numbers in dozen 3.
There are 4 numbers in column 1, 8 numbers in column 2 and  4 numbers in column 3.

I just reached +100 units betting the following progression.

4-4-8-8-12-12-16-16-20-20 etc...

Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 2 steps to the left from the win number.  Continue to move 2 steps to the left after each win until you reach a new high balance then start over.

If you hit one of the 1st 3 bets you will be at a new high so start over.

The following statement should not be read by VIP.
If you can come up with a trigger to bet on another 4 corners or not bet every spin on these 4 corners but use some kind of a trigger such as 2 or 3 Loses in a row and then start betting, it may improve your hit rate a smidgen. 

Thanks Twister,

George

Nice one George  :) !



Are you changing the 4 corners after a win or keeping them static ?



Nice progression mate  :thumbsup:

I will just say, dont forget 0 1 2 3 IS a four corner split. Easy to forget. And by usin that split now and then the number 3 covers that entire column if ure wanting to cover the other two more for an 8 spin session  :thumbsup:

The RNG I play lessens the value of the 0-1-2-3 corner so I don't use that corner but I darn sure would if it was 9 cents instead of the 6 cents it is! Darn RNG being cheap. Lol.

I can give an idea. you can avoid progressions by flatbetting if you keep flatbetting. if you hope your corners to hit soon but they don't if you keep flatbetting after winning then maybe you will get hit again and will break more or less even by small price where you would need to spend lots of chips for progression.

look, i tried to play here 2 corners flat. i think this is more optimal bet

combined now 2 streets and 2 corners random

unfortunately it will go  down sooner or later...

Well so far so good !


Just had another Session and ended,

+213 Units

Highest Level 5

Very nice.

Maybe that newbie, Twangbone, will run with this ball.

I posted him the link in his quest for a 'simple system'.

Quote from: esoito on Jan 24, 04:09 AM 2011
Very nice.

Maybe that newbie, Twangbone, will run with this ball.

I posted him the link in his quest for a 'simple system'.

Ah nice one esoito. To be fair this System is so simple I think thats what puts ppl off


Some love all the Triggers. This has none. You just play Random.

Hey Paul

OK I have set this into the bot, running against playtech RNG, so far 395 bets place 1634 units won, highest losses in a row = 6, wins in a row = 8.

As you say randomly selecting corners, are you finding you are doing the same bets every now and then, if so what are they, I have setup 12 corners to work with

Local $array1 [4] = [1,2,4,5]
Local $array2 [4] = [2,3,5,6]
Local $array3 [4] = [7,8,10,11]
Local $array4 [4] = [8,9,11,12]
Local $array5 [4] = [13,14,16,17]
Local $array6 [4] = [14,15,17,18]
Local $array7 [4] = [19,20,22,23]
Local $array8 [4] = [20,21,23,24]
Local $array9 [4] = [25,26,28,29]
Local $array10 [4] = [26,27,29,30]
Local $array11 [4] = [31,32,34,35]
Local $array12 [4] = [32,33,35,36]

Then using random function select one of the following layouts

1,6,7,11
2,5,10,11
1,4,8,12
2,3,7,10
3,5,9,12

I have not setup 0,1,2,3 as a corner as I want to run the same test against BetVoyager to see how that goes, playtech so far is pushing money my way.

Are you using the same locations more than once, do you use any criteria to dictate where you pick your corners?

Quote from: superman on Jan 24, 04:32 AM 2011
Hey Paul

OK I have set this into the bot, running against playtech RNG, so far 395 bets place 1634 units won, highest losses in a row = 6, wins in a row = 8.

Nice one mate. Yep that sounds about right !

As you say randomly selecting corners, are you finding you are doing the same bets every now and then, if so what are they, I have setup 12 corners to work with

Yes every now and then I probably do use the same combination, but I'm unaware of it as I just really do click 4 corners at random


Local $array1 [4] = [1,2,4,5]
Local $array2 [4] = [2,3,5,6]
Local $array3 [4] = [7,8,10,11]
Local $array4 [4] = [8,9,11,12]
Local $array5 [4] = [13,14,16,17]
Local $array6 [4] = [14,15,17,18]
Local $array7 [4] = [19,20,22,23]
Local $array8 [4] = [20,21,23,24]
Local $array9 [4] = [25,26,28,29]
Local $array10 [4] = [26,27,29,30]
Local $array11 [4] = [31,32,34,35]
Local $array12 [4] = [32,33,35,36]

Then using random function select one of the following layouts

1,6,7,11
2,5,10,11
1,4,8,12
2,3,7,10
3,5,9,12

I have not setup 0,1,2,3 as a corner as I want to run the same test against BetVoyager to see how that goes, playtech so far is pushing money my way.

Excellent ! Let us know how it goes on BV RNG  

Are you using the same locations more than once, do you use any criteria to dictate where you pick your corners?

Yes, most likely but I don't keep a record. Nope, none whatsoever  

Thanks for the reply, I am guessing you are playing live wheel?

Quote from: superman on Jan 24, 04:56 AM 2011
Thanks for the reply, I am guessing you are playing live wheel?

Yes my friend, always live wheel  :thumbsup:

ok playtech max progression reached, marty, 4096 level 13, too much

betvoyager took a while to test but in 300 spins the max prog so far is level 11 1024

So for long play on RNG this method is a bit risky

Ah ok mate


I know some prefer auto bots with RNG

I guess Im old fasioned and prefer the Real Wheel experience  :)


So far its not gone bust yet !

I hope more will test it/play it on real wheels and be trully random with their choice of 4 corners (16 numbers)

Obviously what ure betting is that the 16 numbers you choose, at that moment in time, dont sleep for 8 spins. Assuming you go to level 8.


So far ive been more Random than Random  8)

Somehow i dont see the point of testing this, because testing this multiple times on the same set of spins will show different results. The only thing it will show of how lucky u are.

Besides we know that 16 numbers can sleep far longer than 8 spins and this is not uncommon.

Better bet on last 4corner for X spin. Then simply take previous 4corners vet for X spins and so on...

Maybe now (4) corners on RNG---perhaps 5 or 6 corners..maybe

Quote from: ophis on Jan 24, 09:11 AM 2011
Somehow I don't see the point of testing this, because testing this multiple times on the same set of spins will show different results. The only thing it will show of how lucky you are.

Besides we know that 16 numbers can sleep far longer than 8 spins and this is not uncommon.

Better bet on last 4corner for X spin. Then simply take previous 4corners vet for X spins and so on...

Yes that's correct. 16 random numbers, chosen randomly, can sleep at anytime.


Its just another Bet Selection  :)

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 23, 04:27 PM 2011



Nice one George  :) !



Are you changing the 4 corners after a win or keeping them static ?



Nice progression mate  :thumbsup:

I was just keeping them static.  I realize that it's risky, but here's how I was thinking, if you're hoping to not pick 4 corners when they are going to sleep for 8 spins, I'm picking the same 4 corners and hoping I pick a spin sequence that doesn't contain and 8 spins miss for my 4 corners.

Of course, I'm not using a marty, so I have to have an extended series of misses before going bust.

I think in hind sight, I like your method better.

Cheers,

George

Quote from: GLC on Jan 24, 11:29 AM 2011
I was just keeping them static.  I realize that it's risky, but here's how I was thinking, if you're hoping to not pick 4 corners when they are going to sleep for 8 spins, I'm picking the same 4 corners and hoping I pick a spin sequence that doesn't contain and 8 spins miss for my 4 corners.

Of course, I'm not using a marty, so I have to have an extended series of misses before going bust.

I think in hind sight, I like your method better.

Cheers,

George

Ok mate, let me know how you get on  :)


Are you on RNG or Real Wheel ?



Yes I much prefer to bounce around and be Random  :thumbsup:

!!!!!!! UPDATE !!!!!!!


I've been tinkering today and have another proposal to make re this Method


You can choose 5 Corners (20 numbers) If you prefer a higher strike rate. As in you get a hit after 3 or 4 spins so less chance of going bust.


This is how I see it,



We are choosing 20 numbers on the Table NOT the Wheel, I prefer this because we all know that Sectors go cold.
As in you could get 8 hits in say the Tier section and go bust

Our 20 numbers are spread all over the Wheel. All Dozens and Columns are covered, even Zero is covered if you choose that Corner



Yes, of course it can still bust.



But think about it.





20 Random Numbers (covering all dozens and columns) from all over the Wheel going to sleep for 8 Spins ?? That's never gonna happen, is it ?





So from here on in I'm playing with 5 Corners. Yes a little less Profit But BR a little safer, maybe ?

Okkkk latest Update with 5 Corners


Win +179 Units

Losses 0


Highest level 4

Final Update for the day

5 Corners (20 numbers)
All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero covered Randomly too

+316 Units

0 losses

Highest Level 4

hi great results what progression are you using
cheers

Quote from: ausjase on Jan 24, 04:02 PM 2011
Hi great results what progression are you using
cheers

Hi ausjase

I'm using a Grand Marti (double on a loss plus one unit)


It is aggressive and not for most people, but I enjoy it.




I'm upto +2257 Units with this baby so far and not bust yet


To be fair I could take a level 8 hit and bust and still be ok and play on for a while longer to see how long this wave is


Keep it Real. No RNG  :thumbsup:

First Session of the day


+290 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 4


Running Total +2547 Units

hi paul, how are you testing?

live wheel or actuals?

do you know how many spins you've tested?

cheers and thanks for posting mate  :thumbsup:

Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jan 25, 03:54 AM 2011
Hi paul, how are you testing?

live wheel or actuals?

do you know how many spins you've tested?

cheers and thanks for posting mate  :thumbsup:

Its Real Play on a Live Wheel  :)

Nope no idea on Spins mate, wont be many so prob less than 1000
I tend to just record Profit and Loss

Second Session of the day


+278 Units

0 Losses


Running Total +2825 Units


Highest Level 5


All Dozens and Columns Covered (20 numbers)
Zero covered at Random too

Third Session of the day


+308 Units

0 Losses

Highest Level 5

All Dozens and Columns Covered (20 numbers)
Zero covered at Random too




Running Total  +3133 Units

Fourth Session of the day


+256 Units

0 Losses

Highest Level 4

All Dozens and Columns Covered (20 numbers)
Zero  covered at Random too




Running Total  +3389 Units

I'm seriously impressed with your results Twister even if a lot of luck is involved.

I gave it a quick test on paper and lost the progression at the first attempt!

I doubt I'll try it with your progression but other than Betvoyager where can you get wide enough table limits?

Robert

I tried it at BetVoyager.  Looks good so far (5 random corners)  :thumbsup:

Quote from: trebor on Jan 25, 10:06 AM 2011
I'm seriously impressed with your results Twister even if a lot of luck is involved.

I gave it a quick test on paper and lost the progression at the first attempt!

I doubt I'll try it with your progression but other than Betvoyager where can you get wide enough table limits?

Robert

Really ?

Your first set of 20 Random numbers, covering all dozens and columns, and you went past level 8 on ure first attempt ?

Geeeez, give up Roulette while you can mate  :D


Seriously though, yeah it can happen.
I'm now ready for my level 8 bust. Can take the hit and carry on. If I don't get too many busts then this is where I'm playing for a while as now nicely ahead  :)

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 25, 10:10 AM 2011
I tried it at BetVoyager.  Looks good so far (5 random corners)  :thumbsup:

Ah nice to read  :)


Im not an RNG fan, but BV is supposed to be fair. Bayes seems to like them  :thumbsup:

I've had my share of luck to go with the bad, but anyway I don't think marty's suit my temperament.

Best of luck. Hope you win lots and lots.

Robert

Quote from: trebor on Jan 25, 10:40 AM 2011
I've had my share of luck to go with the bad, but anyway I don't think marty's suit my temperament.

Best of luck. Hope you win lots and lots.

Robert

Cheers Robert, appreciate ure kinds words  :thumbsup:


If I get 2 or 3 busts close together Im out  ;D

Fifth Session of the day


+194 Units

0 Losses

Highest Level 5

All Dozens and Columns Covered (20 numbers)
Zero  covered at Random too




Running Total  +3583 Units

Well played Twister,

You must be lovin' it! You gonna up your unit size soon?

BW

Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 25, 01:16 PM 2011
Well played Twister,

You must be lovin' it! You gonna up your unit size soon?

BW

Indeed, its been good so far  :thumbsup:



I keep playin all the time its winning  :)

I just wondered, what are most ppls opinions about this style of play ?

Is it a System ?

If a system is "...a scheme or plan of procedure..." then yes, your 'Random' is a system

Quote from: esoito on Jan 26, 04:25 AM 2011
If a system is "...a scheme or plan of procedure..." then yes, your 'Random' is a system

Fair enough  :thumbsup:


This gets an upgrade to Full Systems  :)

QuoteThis gets an upgrade to Full Systems

I think a system would be mechanical, if I asked you what you played and when, currently you can't answer that directly as your choices are random, if you make it a system ppl will ask where do you put your first set of bets? and if you lose the first bet then where do you put the next bets, the reply can't be random for it to be a system.

Its a random system, but everyone will get different results even on the same table!

Quote from: superman on Jan 26, 05:00 AM 2011


if I asked you what you played and when, currently you can't answer that directly as your choices are random, if you make it a system people will ask where do you put your first set of bets? and if you lose the first bet then where do you put the next bets, the reply can't be random for it to be a system.

I can answer directly !

It doesn't matter. You put your bets anywhere you like  :)

As long as each Dozen and Column is covered, and the Zero too if you so choose
And that's all you do every Spin


Yessssss I know what your point is. And yep different people will get different results, even, as you say, at the same table.


This System is outperforming anything I've ever tried before.


Its Random  :)

First Session of the day


+296 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 5

All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero covered at Random too.


Running Total +3879 Units

Be nice if there was a bot for it for a live wheel.

Any thoughts on that , Twister?

Quote from: esoito on Jan 26, 07:07 AM 2011
Be nice if there was a bot for it for a live wheel.

Any thoughts on that , Twister?

Yeah would be nice !

Maybe though the ppl that use Bots may think this too slow ? Some prefer a faster RNG turnover

QuoteBe nice if there was a bot for it for a live wheel

Can do, but it would need to know a lot of details, I have a bot for dublinbet that could be setup for this random method, need a few answers first, as there are 24 corners, I think, do you use all 24 or just the main 12 + 0,1,2,3 - main 12 being 1,2,4,5 - 2,3,5,6 - 7,8,10,11 and so on, which misses out overlap corners like 4,5,7,8 and so on.

QuoteMaybe though the people that use Bots may think this too slow

If it takes an hour to make 50 units or 10 minutes to make 50 units, it's still 50 units. Us bot makers do like a bit of speed though, the speed is mainly so we can see a method fall flat in it's t1ts within minutes rather than hours, Paul if you could examine where you place your bets it may help. As I said earlier in the thread, I did it on playtech AND betvoyager randomly selecting from the main corners, it collapsed.

I know your playing live table, is it dealer or airball?

Quote from: superman on Jan 26, 07:44 AM 2011
Can do, but it would need to know a lot of details, I have a bot for dublinbet that could be setup for this random method, need a few answers first, as there are 24 corners, I think, do you use all 24 or just the main 12 + 0,1,2,3 - main 12 being 1,2,4,5 - 2,3,5,6 - 7,8,10,11 and so on, which misses out overlap corners like 4,5,7,8 and so on.

If it takes an hour to make 50 units or 10 minutes to make 50 units, it's still 50 units. Us bot makers do like a bit of speed though, the speed is mainly so we can see a method fall flat in it's t1ts within minutes rather than hours, Paul if you could examine where you place your bets it may help. As I said earlier in the thread, I did it on playtech AND betvoyager randomly selecting from the main corners, it collapsed.

I know your playing live table, is it dealer or airball?

Hi Superman, thanks for your interest  :)

As for the coners I overlap all the time. I break up the dozens nearly every bet. After a win I ALWAYS use different corners. There is no combination of 4 that I do not use. Although I accept I might use some more than others, but that's Random too.

The only thing that stays constant is the coverage of all Dozens and Columns. Not forgeting Zero  at Random too


An example would be,

0 1 2 3, 4 5 7 8, 11 12 14 15, 22 23 25 26, 28 29 31 32

2 3 5 6, 10 11 13 14, 16 17 19 20, 22 23 25 26, 32 33 35 36



Yes its Real Wheel and its Airball. Can be Dealer but that's too slow I find.




Does that help  ?

Second Session of the day


+210 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 5

All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero covered at Random too.


Running Total +4089 Units

All corners groups


Group/Numbers

1.    1,2,4,5
2.    2,3,5,6
3.    4,5,7,8
4.    5,6,8,9
5.    7,8,10,11
6.    8,9,11,12
7.    10,11,13,14
8.    11,12,14,15
9.    13,14,16,17
10.  14,15,17,18
11.  16,17,19,20
12.  17,18,20,21
13.  19,20,22,23
14.  20,21,23,24
15.  22,23,25,26
16.  23,24,26,27
17.  25,26,28,29
18.  26,27,29,30
19.  28,29,31,32
20.  29,30,32,33
21.  31,32,34,35
22.  32,33,35,36
23.  34/35, 1/2 ( splits *corner*)
24.  35/36, 2/3 (splits * corner *)
25.   0,1,2,3

Numbers belong to groups:
NR.  /Groups

0       25
1       1,23,25
2       1,2,23,24,25
3       2,24,25
4       1,3
5       1,2,3,4
6       2,4
7       3,5
8       3,4,5,6
9       4,6
10     5,7
11     5,6,7,8
12     6,8
13     7,9
14     7,8,9,10
15     8,10
16     9,11
17     9,10,11,12
18     10,12
19     11,13
20     11,12,13,14
21     12,14
22     13,15
23     13,14,15,16
24     14,16
25     15,17
26     15,16,17,18
27     16,18
28     17,19
29     17,18,19,20
30     18,20
31     19,21
32     19,20,21,22
33     20,22
34     21,23
35     21,22,23,24
36     22,24


cheers

Thank You Katt  :)

QuoteDoes that help  ?

Yes

QuoteThere is no combination of 4 that I do not use

Thought you had changed to 5?

Quote from: superman on Jan 26, 11:24 AM 2011
Yes

Thought you had changed to 5?

I have. 5 lots of 4 corners making 20 numbers  :)

Thanks, progression ? grand marty, X2+1 every increase/loss?

Yep Grand Marti, Reset on a win  :)

Third Session of the day

Had a stonkingly long Session. Tried to make it break, no luck yet LoL


+404 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 5 (Yes, never went above level 5 !!)


All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero  covered at Random too.



Running Total +4493 Units

mr. Twister take a nick mr.  Tempter
;D

I'm happy to report it is still holding up at BetVoyager!

Quote from: iggiv on Jan 26, 02:07 PM 2011
Mr. Twister take a nick mr.  Tempter
;D

I no understand  ???

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 26, 02:18 PM 2011
I'm happy to report it is still holding up at BetVoyager!

Excellent  :)

20 numbers ?

Whats the highest level so far Proof ?

So far early days, but level 4.  (20 numbers)  **Just because it is working for me atm doesn't mean it will work for everybody at BV.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 26, 02:36 PM 2011
So far early days, but level 4.  (20 numbers)  **Just because it is working for me atm doesn't mean it will work for everybody at BV.

Very True. Everyone will experience different results.


Keep it Random !

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 26, 02:29 PM 2011

I no understand  ???

i mean u r tempting :)

causing temptation

Quote from: iggiv on Jan 26, 02:56 PM 2011

i mean you are tempting :)

causing temptation

To play Roulette Randomly ? Then Yes, you are correct  :thumbsup:

superman am i right in understanding that you have a bot for dublin bet?does it work automatically on its own on real betting?

Fourth Session of the day


+238 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 5


All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero  covered at Random too.



Running Total +4731 Units

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 26, 03:21 PM 2011

To play Roulette Randomly ? Then Yes, you are correct  :thumbsup:

yes that's what I mean

Quote from: iggiv on Jan 26, 03:37 PM 2011
yes that what I mean

Thats Cool  :)

@ Proof, I am going to run a long test on playtech AND BV as I have made the bot now use ALL corners, before I was running with just the main 12, its just finished a run on DublinBet of 55 spins, check the file for the results, they are good, similar to yours by the sounds of it.

QuoteSuperman am I right in understanding that you have a bot for dublin bet?does it work automatically on its own on real betting?

Yes I have, I am only working in guest mode so keep getting the chop from them but it usually runs about 30 to 60 spins, is there a difference in real money mode, don't tell me random is different inside!!  :P

@ Paul, will keep running the bot for a few hours a day, also will be adding ALL corners to the playtech and BV bots so they can get a fair crack at it too.

I take it you space the random choices across the whole table, as fairly as you can ? currently I am just using 5 set layouts/maps I will either add more or code it to properly select 5 the only issue, coding wise is making them NOT overlap, can be done but I can't be ar$ed just yet, will do it for the playtech one as that works much faster than dublinbet/live wheels.

Will post when I have more results.

Quote from: superman on Jan 26, 03:48 PM 2011


@ Paul, will keep running the bot for a few hours a day, also will be adding ALL corners to the playtech and BV bots so they can get a fair crack at it too.

I take it you space the random choices across the whole table, as fairly as you can ?

Pretty much I would say. I just click a corner I've not played for a few spins


currently I am just using 5 set layouts/maps I will either add more or code it to properly select 5 the only issue, coding wise is making them NOT overlap, can be done but I can't be ar$ed just yet, will do it for the playtech one as that works much faster than dublinbet/live wheels.

I see that as crucial mate. It will corrupt your results if you have some overlapping, as you wont have 20 numbers.

Will post when I have more results.


Nice one ! Look forward to it  

:)

nope not telling you that at  all would like to see if your interested in coding a little simple system for me for dublin and rx when you have the time that is.dublin real money though would that be possible?

First Session of the day


+342 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 6


All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero  covered at Random too.



Running Total +5073 Units

Where do I find the bet placement for what Ur playing Here Paul?

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 27, 03:16 AM 2011
Where do I find the bet placement for what your playing Here Paul?

Do you mean where I place my bets ?

Its ok, I found it, just U now place down on 5 corners right?

Yes that's correct. We play 5 corners (20 numbers)


ALL Dozens and Columns must be covered, Zero too if you choose.


Keep all your corner selections Random



Only change your 5 corners on a Win

and are U TRULY Random, or have U "Systemed" it, where U have a list maybe, (created random of course!) and U play down that list, jumping from one to another choice as the game/session progresses?

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 27, 03:28 AM 2011
And are you TRULY Random, or have you "Systemed" it, where you have a list maybe, (created random of course!) and you play down that list, jumping from one to another choice as the game/session progresses?

Nope no list. Then Order plays a part. I dont want that.


All my 5 corners are chosen, as Randomly as my brain will allow, at Random



I do accept I maybe use some corners more than others, but that happens Randomly too


Just bounce around. Have no list or order  :)

Show me ONE of UR randoms then buddie!
[attach=#]

An example would be,



0 1 2 3, 4 5 7 8, 11 12 14 15, 22 23 25 26, 28 29 31 32

The reason I ask/say, is because IF Ur covering ALL Col's and ALL Doz's,
then its not Random at all is it!

There's method in Ur madness of KING GEORGE!

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 27, 03:38 AM 2011
The reason I ask/say, is because IF your covering ALL Col's and ALL Doz's,
then its not Random at all is it!

There's method in your madness of KING GEORGE!

"Nothing Is Random" DERREN BROWN

Sure it ain't!! ha ha.
[attach=#][disc]0,1,2,3,4,5,7,8,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32[/disc]

[box]EDIT.

Do U bet place also in accordance with what has already spun out?

Ie. if say 3, 5, 8 are on the marque, are U paying attention to them in Ur bet placement choice, or totally ignore previous spin results?[/box]

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 27, 03:50 AM 2011


EDIT.

Do you bet place also in accordance with what has already spun out?

Ie. if say 3, 5, 8 are on the marquee, are you paying attention to them in your bet placement choice, or totally ignore previous spin results ?

Ignore, as best is possible with a Random brain  :D

I wonder if U could reverse engineer a sector from the wheel, into a Random bet on the table/felt.

See how Ur example fits into the wheel? (WRT fours/corners I meant!)

[box]
EDIT

Interesting stuff this random!!? [/box]

The beauty of this System is that it is Random


Its as Random as your brain will allow it to be



Unless ure playin a bias wheel or following DS, its all Random

                                                 !!!! UPDATE !!!!



Ive been looking over my results and have concluded that you can play this with some VL's too

I know a Grand Marti is not to everyones taste, so here is what I thought.......


Choose your 5 Corners.........wait for one/two/three misses then bet


You then have upto 11 Levels


You will miss winners playing this way. But maybe you think it is safer this way ?


IF you play this way and your 5 corners hit during ure wait for 1/2/3 VL's then, obviously, you have to start over with a new set of 5 Random Corners.


In my experience **most** wins come around the 3rd spin, however I did have a session when I had about 8 or 9 hits ALL on the First Spin.


Its up to you. Tinker with it as you will to fit your own taste

Second Session of the day


+226 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 4


All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero covered at Random too.




Running Total +5299 Units

Third Session of the day


+192 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 5


All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero  covered at Random too.




Running Total +5491 Units

One week in and if your still doing 25p units that's still over Ã,£1300   :)

You must be really pleased. Just hope the inevitable loss stays away as long as possible.

Robert

Looking good Paul!

Ok playtech tests completed, fail, I noticed after level 5, I think, the progression can't recover in one hit, the longest winning streak was 11 in a row, but, the longest losing streak was 14, it still hadn't hit at level 14 and started to place chips again so I killed the bot, level 14 is too far for my likeing so that's that.

I did scan through the result file to see if any other type of progression, to cover 14 losses in a row, would work, in my mind it wont as, for example, dlambert needs consecutive wins to level itself, there were stages when it would work but after some losing streaks you would get 1 or 2 wns then a bad streak which would keep you at the top of the sliding progression, 1 up 1 down would also keep us mid field rather than getting back to the starting point.

Going to do some dublinbet tests instead.

Proof, are you still surviving BV? I would test on that table but it just takes so long, if you survive a bit longer then maybe I will

Quote from: trebor on Jan 27, 09:03 AM 2011
One week in and if your still doing 25p units that's still over Ã,£1300   :)

You must be really pleased. Just hope the inevitable loss stays away as long as possible.

Robert

The loss will come. Its just a matter of when and how often


But like you say, so far so good  :)

Quote from: superman on Jan 27, 09:04 AM 2011
Looking good Paul!

Ok playtech tests completed, fail, I noticed after level 5, I think, the progression can't recover in one hit, the longest winning streak was 11 in a row, but, the longest losing streak was 14, it still hadn't hit at level 14 and started to place chips again so I killed the bot, level 14 is too far for my likeing so that's that.

I did scan through the result file to see if any other type of progression, to cover 14 losses in a row, would work, in my mind it wont as, for example, dlambert needs consecutive wins to level itself, there were stages when it would work but after some losing streaks you would get 1 or 2 wns then a bad streak which would keep you at the top of the sliding progression, 1 up 1 down would also keep us mid field rather than getting back to the starting point.

Going to do some dublinbet tests instead.

Proof, are you still surviving BV? I would test on that table but it just takes so long, if you survive a bit longer then maybe I will

Yep ok mate  :thumbsup:

I dont like RNG, but appreciate its horses for courses so to speak  :)


You should get better results at dublinbet


Also try Smartlive Casino if you want other options  :)

QuoteAlso try Smartlive Casino if you want other options

Would mean building a bot to suit their table, will keep testing at DB for the time being

Ok mate, look forward to your results !


I gues DB is sooooooooo slow for you ??


I prefer that lol, again horses for courses  :)

QuoteI guess DB is sooooooooo slow for you ??

Yeah I mowed the lawn twice already, grass grows faster than live roulette lol

OK got 37 spins out of them this afternoon, again, good results, see attached file

Quote from: superman on Jan 27, 10:01 AM 2011
Yeah I mowed the lawn twice already, grass grows faster than live roulette LoL

OK got 37 spins out of them this afternoon, again, good results, see attached file

LOL  :D

Yeah I can how you would feel that way compared to auto turbo RNG speed !!!


Nice Results mate  :thumbsup:

@GLC


Howz your testing going mate ?

Fourth Session of the day


+238 Units

0 Losses


Highest Level 5


All Dozens and Columns covered. Zero  covered at Random too.




Running Total +5729 Units

real money?

Yes, real money. Apart from a small amount at the start of Testing  :)

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 27, 03:38 AM 2011
The reason I ask/say, is because IF your covering ALL Col's and ALL Doz's,
then its not Random at all is it!

There's method in your madness of KING GEORGE!

You called!

LOL,

King George

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 27, 10:33 AM 2011
@GLC


Howz your testing going mate ?

Sorry, got bogged down with life.

Rats, if I were only independently wealthy I could do this stuff all the time.  It would be much more interesting than what I do do.

I will test!  I will test!  I will test! etc....

G

Just played 50 spins, amazing  :D

+180 units

Highest level was 4

Is this right?
grant marty

Spin/Bets/total bet/loss
1.   1,1,1,1,1= 5
2.   3,3,3,3,3=15                              20
3.   7,7,7,7,7=35                              55
4.   15,15,15,15,15=75                   130
5.   31,31,31,31,31=155                 285
6.   63,63,63,63,63=315                 600
7.   127,127,127,127,127=635      1235
8.   255,255,255,255,255=1275     2510

Hi Paul

What progression are you using, I have tried grand marty, x2+1

It doesn't work, you lose after level 4 I think

So I did this x2+1 then x2+2 then x2+3 then x2+4 and so on, that too fails.

Please write out your 8 levels mate

Quote from: Fripper on Jan 27, 01:46 PM 2011
Just played 50 spins, amazing  :D

+180 units

Highest level was 4

Is this right?
grant marty

Spin/Bets/total bet/loss
1.   1,1,1,1,1= 5
2.   3,3,3,3,3=15                              20
3.   7,7,7,7,7=35                              55
4.   15,15,15,15,15=75                   130
5.   31,31,31,31,31=155                 285
6.   63,63,63,63,63=315                 600
7.   127,127,127,127,127=635      1235
8.   255,255,255,255,255=1275     2510

Nice Work Fripper  :thumbsup:

@Twisteruk

So U play like Fripper Paul?

Quote from: superman on Jan 27, 02:29 PM 2011
Hi Paul

What progression are you using, I have tried grand marty, x2+1

It doesn't work, you lose after level 4 I think

So I did this x2+1 then x2+2 then x2+3 then x2+4 and so on, that too fails.

Please write out your 8 levels mate

Hi mate


I do just use a Grand Marti like Fripper



If you have a better progression to suggest Im all ears mate  :) ?

hi whats a grand marti

At level 6, 63 units on the corner/fours, paying out at 8:1 gives u

63 x 8 = 504 +63=567.............but U have lost 600 at that bet point? am i wrong here Paul?

Is it not the case by changing form 4 corners to 5 corners/fours, Grand marty does not win back enough!?

@Koshiba

Standard marty progression + 1 unit

...........and at level 5 U lose  6 units on a win!

tell me I'm wrong here ppl



[box]EDIT
level 4 is the last level for recovery.............gain of 5 units on a win

15 x 8 =120 +15=135..................total bet at that point= 130

Yes there is a point where you get back less than staked at the higher end of the progression


For me most of the wins come before level 5


Infact I raise an eyebrow if I find myself at level 4 lol



I just play on until I end the Session in Profit  :)

I sea.

Maybe for a bot, need to alter levels 5, 6, 7, & 8 to recover loses.

Quoteneed to alter levels 5, 6, 7, & 8 to recover loses

Gets expensive, like Paul says, most wins are below this point but this evening I lost the first 5 bets, so went up the progression and was still negative after the first win.

The current progression is ok for 4 corners, Paul, why did you add another corner, if there is a reason that is.

Quote from: superman on Jan 27, 04:14 PM 2011
Gets expensive, like Paul says, most wins are below this point but this evening I lost the first 5 bets, so went up the progression and was still negative after the first win.

The current progression is ok for 4 corners, Paul, why did you add another corner, if there is a reason that is.

Just for that very reason really, to try to secure a win as soon as possible


I guess we could do as I suggested a few posts back and get 2 or 3 VL's before playing ?

Or we could increase Levels 5 and 6 to secure a Profit ? Ive not gone past level 6. So 2 VL's and start from there to give you the 8 Levels maybe ?

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 27, 04:18 PM 2011
Just for that very reason really, to try to secure a win as soon as possible


I guess we could do as I suggested a few posts back and get 2 or 3 VL's before playing ?

Or we could increase Levels 5 and 6 to secure a Profit ? I've not gone past level 6. So 2 VL's and start from there to give you the 8 Levels maybe ?
hi guys,
have been playin twisters system kinda like it and a wee bit different.
have also been playin 5 corners and 3 streets,changing after every win (randomly,no set play).
3 units on corners and two on streets. will take two neighbours with 2 streets.
6x1 hour sessions went like clockwork, approx 140-150 units pre session. then last night amazingly it missed for for 5 spins, only 7or8 numbers not covered and 5 came on the trot. it really was jaw dropping stuff.
2 sessions tonite at dublinbet live wheel,like clockwork.
ah guess the moral of the story is be very wary of double up progressions.  :o :o :o

twister do you think that random is the main point of your play,i think is that you bet 16 numbers,try to bet 16 numbers not randomly choosen you get similar results

another session from hell  >:( >:( >:(  20 numbers miss for 9 spins. there is a positive, like last nights nightmare the problem happens when one dozen hits for 5 or 6 spins and your chips are filling up the other dozens.
it would not be a bad idea to add chips to all numbers in that dozen when a dozen shows 3 times in a row.
it does not feel random when this happens.  :( :( :(

Playing the same  16 or 20corner numbers until you get  a win doesn't seem to work.

Tested this with live numbers over at wesbaden and lost 8 times in a row,which would have wiped you out.

However playing different  corner numbers after every loss was much better,but I certainly wouildn't play a grand martingale with this method.

The delembert progression seems to work much better(up 1 if you lose down 1 when you win). Buildsyour profits slower but much smaller losses.Will test some more later :)

How many corners do you play Twister is it 4 or 5. :)

Quote from: maestro on Jan 27, 06:46 PM 2011
Twister do you think that random is the main point of your play,i think is that you bet 16 numbers,try to bet 16 numbers not randomly chosen you get similar results

Yes, excellent pov  :thumbsup:


Let us know how you get on with ure testing  :)

Quote from: macduff on Jan 27, 08:34 PM 2011
Another session from hell  >:( >:( >:(  20 numbers miss for 9 spins. there is a positive, like last nights nightmare the problem happens when one dozen hits for 5 or 6 spins and your chips are filling up the other dozens.
it would not be a bad idea to add chips to all numbers in that dozen when a dozen shows 3 times in a row.
it does not feel random when this happens.  :( :( :(

Thanx for the testing feedback macduff


Maybe playing the first 3 spins for 3 VL's is an option ?

Quote from: moles40 on Jan 27, 11:53 PM 2011


How many corners do you play Twister is it 4 or 5. :)

I play 5 mate  :)

Proof, how goes it at BV ?

Bad new Twister it busted at BetVoyager.  Couldn't get a hit to save my life, sorry.   ???

QuoteBad news Twister it busted at BetVoyager

Atleast that saves me from testing it there too.

I had 3 bad sessions @ dublinbet too, so I wont be testing any further, good while it lasted, be careful Paul, I think we can say it IS going to bite you at some point.

Quote from: superman on Jan 28, 07:30 AM 2011
Atleast that saves me from testing it there too.

I had 3 bad sessions @ dublinbet too, so I wont be testing any further, good while it lasted, be careful Paul, I think we can say it IS going to bite you at some point.

Yes I think ure correct mate.


I think Im gonna take my Profit and leave.



It makes me wonder though, was I being trully random or was I using instinct ?


No matter, I dont want to experience 3 bad hits like you did mate so Im done.




WoW, what a Ride !

Proof, any opinion on havin 4 spins on the NZ at BV and gettin 4VL's then place a bet on your chosen 20 ?

Twister, I think BetVoyager is your typical RNG.  It figures out your system.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 28, 09:05 AM 2011
Twister, I think BetVoyager is your typical RNG.  It figures out your system.

Yeah, ive heard that before !


Okkk thanx to everyone who took part in Testing  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jan 28, 09:05 AM 2011
Twister, I think BetVoyager is your typical RNG.  It figures out your system.

Yep! Spot on!  It's done that to me before.

I'm currently using BV for only testing my own stuff and, so far, it's working fine. I find it convenient for testing but definitely not for 'serious' play.

But I know it will eventually suss me out -- it always has done on previous tests.

Mind you, my original 5 euros is now a touch over 80 using 10c bets on my current test  so I won't complain (too much) when the tide turns.    ;)

Lets be honest anyone playing rng with real money is asking for trouble.

As is any system using the Martingale progression for goodness sake.

Really surprised  anyone expected this method to be any good when its based on any form of the martingale  ::)

Moles, there's no gainsaying your sound observations. RNG + martingale = madness LOL

But there are now over 5000 reasons (pounds, in fact) that  suggest  this method for Twister (if not anyone else) is one of those exceptions-to-the-rule we so often hear about.

It's currently working for him if for nobody else  ;)

The method is fraught with danger. We ALL know that.

The method has bitten a few people already. We ALL know that.

But, so far, and with his eyes wide open because he knows EXACTLY what he's doing, Twister has made a lot of money.

In fact, more than enough to cover his first, ineviatable drawdown, at which point he will cease altogether.

He's an experienced player; not a noob. As such he knows when to take a contrarian position and bet against conventional wisdom.

Right now he's busy making hay while the sun shines. He's playing a winning trend. And his first loss is already more than covered by his impressive profits.

He's posted what he's doing, how he's doing it, and with results.

Nobody is compelled to follow suit...it's all a matter of choice.

I choose not to do it because I'm high-risk-averse and I certainly don't like the progression.

But I also choose to support his efforts, knowing he entered into this madcap journey in full knowledge of the risks, and knowing it's HIS money he's risking and nobody else's.

So where's the problem in this one-off instance?

Quote from: esoito on Jan 29, 02:46 AM 2011
Moles, there's no gainsaying your sound observations. RNG + martingale = madness LoL

But there are now over 5000 reasons (pounds, in fact) that  suggest  this method for Twister (if not anyone else) is one of those exceptions-to-the-rule we so often hear about.

It's currently working for him if for nobody else  ;)

The method is fraught with danger. We ALL know that.

The method has bitten a few people already. We ALL know that.

But, so far, and with his eyes wide open because he knows EXACTLY what he's doing, Twister has made a lot of money.

In fact, more than enough to cover his first, ineviatable drawdown, at which point he will cease altogether.

He's an experienced player; not a noob. As such he knows when to take a contrarian position and bet against conventional wisdom.

Right now he's busy making hay while the sun shines. He's playing a winning trend. And his first loss is already more than covered by his impressive profits.

He's posted what he's doing, how he's doing it, and with results.

Nobody is compelled to follow suit...it's all a matter of choice.

I choose not to do it because I'm high-risk-averse and I certainly don't like the progression.

But I also choose to support his efforts, knowing he entered into this madcap journey in full knowledge of the risks, and knowing it's HIS money he's risking and nobody else's.

So where's the problem in this one-off instance?

Thanx for your words of support esoito  :)


Yes indeed,and it was fun while it lasted 


Due to the experience of the other testers Im stopping before I get bitten too !


Thanx Random, it was Funn  :thumbsup:

Lol. Fantastic result Paul. And well done for stopping before the crash.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 29, 04:17 AM 2011

Thanx Random, it was Funn  :thumbsup:

I like the thought of U thanking the God Of Random.

What will be Ur next offering I wonder?

"Many chips" says the God Of Random!!! (not the potato version either!!!)  :D