Hello . Here is the Holy Grail for You who Like to play R/B:
Ooohhhhhhh nooooo. Another Moron with another HG...You say...LMAO.
Well,, properly tested for 3000 spins, never exceeded 4 spins (can we do a Martin here?)
Merry Christmas Yall!
3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = Triggers for RED. Hits after 4 spins Max
6.15.24.33 = Triggers for BLACK. Hits after 4 spins Max
Meanwhile You waiting,, play H/L + 2 Doublestreets for a Dummybet = +2 units..
Cheeers!
is this what we was talking about in chat?
what does hits after 4 spins max mean?
We are the knights that say NEE! Nee Nee Nee
Yes its related to the Discussion in the Chat.. Max 4 spins means, the target is aquired after max 4 spins.
Cheers!
good job
is this for 0 wheel or 00
European Roulette;)
6pts first test
can it be adapted to 00 wheel maybe useing same wheel spaces count out the same spots
i think you got lucky those number dont mean anything . I have a history sheet 730 numbers from a 0 wheel and 1/4 of way though 6 then 9 reds in a row and another time 24 then 7 reds in a row good try mate
Quote from: Compa on Jul 06, 04:42 PM 2010
Hello . Here is the Holy Grail for You who Like to play R/B:
Ooohhhhhhh nooooo. Another Moron with another HG...You say...LMAO.
Well,, properly tested for 3000 spins, never exceeded 4 spins (can we do a Martin here?)
Merry Christmas Y'all!
3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = Triggers for RED. Hits after 4 spins Max
6.15.24.33 = Triggers for BLACK. Hits after 4 spins Max
Meanwhile You waiting,, play H/L + 2 Doublestreets for a Dummybet = +2 units..
Cheeers!
HI COMPA JUST WONDERING is there a reason why this wins.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 06, 10:02 PM 2010
HI COMPA JUST WONDERING is there a reason why this wins.
YES it is.
hi compa i find it intersesting but i tryed this a while back but the only difference i used the middle colum black numbers as my triggers for black ,and the third colum red numbers for my triggers for red but i found the long series a problem of the opposite color so how would you deal with this and what would be your betting progression thanks WARRIOR.
Are you talking about RNG or live wheel? If it is about RNG, I may consider it to be true but in no way it can work with live wheels.
Quote from: albalaha on Jul 07, 12:06 AM 2010
Are you talking about RNG or live wheel? If it is about RNG, I may consider it to be true but in no way it can work with live wheels.
RNG is NOT Roulette. Dont even bring it up. And do not state something you dont know.
Are you saying your holy grail is when one of these numbers show: 3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36
then bet red, and red will show up no later than 4 spins?
I want to be clear. What is your dummybet you mentioned?
KEEL
HI COMPA what would be the progression ?
DID YOU YOU TEST THIS FLAT BETTING ?
how do you deal with the long series of the opposite color?
why only these numbers?
and the dummy bet how are you selecting this ? thanks warrior
Hi gents,
Before you all go mad at Compa, he told us in the chat room that this method needs some form of 'tweak' to work. I guess he didn't post the tweak to protect the method from other 'spy guests' from other forums.
So far, what we know is that we have a limited safe progression which won't allow us to lose more than 7 units and there's a trigger for that. We also know that a certain tweak is needed.
He informed me that he's making quite good money with this method.
Thanks for the method Compa and we will try some tweaks and hopefully succeed!
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
Advices against this system have been moved to the dissenting area:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/dissenting-area/re-the-holy-grail!-(for-redblack)/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/dissenting-area/re-the-holy-grail!-(for-redblack)/)
Guys, remember we have a dissenting area; let's keep the main thread useful. If you want to dissent in the main thread, the right way is to show your test result charts, attach your RX sessions, and educating the members with facts (results) about this.
Nothing productive comes out of pure verbal dissenting on the main thread.
Thanks.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 07, 07:29 AM 2010
HI COMPA what would be the progression ?
DID YOU YOU TEST THIS FLAT BETTING ?
how do you deal with the long series of the opposite color?
why only these numbers?
and the dummy bet how are you selecting this ? thanks warrior
Warrior,
I too have been playing this the way you are, using the black #s in 2nd col and the red #s in the 3rd col.
I have been having excellent luck betting the 1-2-4-8 limited martingale. Long streaks of colors are actually our friends because if a black trigger shows and you're in a long series of black #s, you win after every trigger. The only thing that hurts us is if a B trigger shows followed by 4 red #s, or 4 Bs following a R trigger.
I have been playing the two colors with separated banks. If I lose a session, I increase my stakes to 2-4-8-16 until I recover and then I return to 1-2-4-8. If you lose at the 2-4-8-16 level you can increase again, or just stay at 2-4-8-16 to protect against multiple losses close together wiping you out. I don't mix the two bets. In other words, if I lose 15 on R and go to 2-4-8-16, I stay at 1-2-4-8 on Black. This is just a matter of preference. You could go to double stakes on both colors and recover more quickly.
I also play every trigger. That means that sometimes I'm playing 2 or even 3 at a time. Example: If a R trigger shows, I start playing it. If a B trigger spins next, I play it and con't on the R. Another R or B trigger could show on the 3rd bet and I start playing it also. No sense wasting good betting opportunities.
I too am waiting for Compa to tell us why the 4 Bs in 3rd col are a better trigger. Why any of these #s are better triggers. And what his tweak is to make it more of a winner. Until he straightens us out, I'm having success playing a variation of his system.
Let me know if you can make some suggestions for me. I'm always open to more light.
G.
Warrior,
Compa recomended the 1,2,3,4 progression but he said there's a tweak to make it work.
I believe you guessed right with a second higher progression if you lost.
Maybe 1,2,3,6 and 12,24,48,100 ?? But this way the progression get too dangerous...
Or light progression like 1,1,1,2 and 4,6,10,15...
Well let's hope Compa can help us with more hints :)
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
I think we need to make sure about the rules of this system. Are we betting Red/Black when one of those numbers show, or are we betting just a handful of numbers?
I need confirmation.
KEEL
I think we are betting the colours mate.
But I don't know one thing. If a trigger comes and we bet and lose the first, lets say that it is red we are betting one.
Do you keep betting on black to come out or are we switching? If we are not, we lose if a longer streak of reds comes out.
And also, if a trigger comes. We bet and win the first bet, do we wait until another trigger or do we keep betting 4 times? Switch coulour if win?
Fripper
I tested it on couple of 100 live European roulette spins and to my surprise it WORKS! I got only 5 times to go to 4 on the progression. That's no problem for Penthouse or Leveller.
I am now concerned about the uneven numbers for RED 8 and for BLACK only 4 ??? It is discrimination of Obama and African Americans! You could go to jail for it, be careful.
The Penthouse or Leveler progression match the holy system perfectly. I Like it only what makes me wonder what is behind those numbers that they are so important.
I will take it with me to Las Vegas on 13 July to test it next to 6 other systems, some of them holy. We will see how many stay holy after the trip? It will be fun.
Cheers Hermes
This could be doorstep to consistent winner in my opinion. I also think it needs some tweaking.
For all people who are blind or/and ignorant to see the reason for choosing these numbers as triggers: leave the wheel, focus only on table.
Missing part of the bet could be 2nd column. Also i'm not sure do we need all those numbers as triggers. In case of given example/bet only red majority or only black minority (no pun intended) could be right trigger group. What about reversing the bet? Using W's and L's as triggers could make it flat betting winner, which i think is a way to go.
Reason why it wins is the most important here and i don't think it's easy to find only by trial and error testing of 101 variation of this bet.
Thank you for sharing Compa.
Why are you writing on another forum:
"So when we see any Number in Figure 3 Or 9, bet BLACK. If hit on B on 1st spin, bet RED."
And here:
"3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = Triggers for RED. Hits after 4 spins Max"
This is the opposite, which one shall we use?
I tested this with my own tweak. If a trigger comes you bet the opposite colour, if win, wait for a new trigger. But if lose high your bet like this: 1,2,4,8 (martingle). But if the next number also is a lost and is one of your triggers. Stop there and wait for another trigger.
Example:
17 B
18 R Trigger, bet black 1 unit
7 R Lost, 2 unit on black
3 R lost (trigger) so now you don't continue. You wait for another trigger and continue with the next bet in the progression.
23 R
22 B
11 B
7 R
3 R trigger, bet 4 on black
24 B trigger, bet 1 on red
36 R trigger, bet 1 on Black
21 R (trigger) so now you don't continue. You wait for another trigger and continue with the next bet in the progression.
5 R
0
30 R trigger, bet 2 unit on black
28 B
31 B
3 R trigger, 1 on black
32 R lost
33 B
Yeah you get the idea.
If you should lose the 8 unit bet. You wait until another trigger and start betting 2,4,8,16 until you are in profit again.
I lost 2 or 3 times the 1,2,4,8 bets. And lost the 2,4,6,8 one time in 899 spins.
Bankroll attached
Fripper
Quote from: Paja on Jul 08, 04:28 AM 2010
This could be doorstep to consistent winner in my opinion. I also think it needs some tweaking.
For all people who are blind or/and ignorant to see the reason for choosing these numbers as triggers: leave the wheel, focus only on table.
Missing part of the bet could be 2nd column. Also i'm not sure do we need all those numbers as triggers. In case of given example/bet only red majority or only black minority (no pun intended) could be right trigger group. What about reversing the bet? Using W's and L's as triggers could make it flat betting winner, which I think is a way to go.
Reason why it wins is the most important here and I don't think it's easy to find only by trial and error testing of 101 variation of this bet.
Thank you for sharing Compa.
At Last! A competent person! Very Nice! Thanks mate.
The Figure 3 and 9 is all RED Numbers. The Figure 6 is all BLACK Numbers.
3.6.9, The Key of Time rules the Roulette. So it decides the outcome in the Column 1 and 2.
Figure
3: 3.12.21.30Figure
9: 9.18.27.36Figure
6: 6.15.24.33So when we see any Number in Figure 3 Or 9, bet
RED. If hit on
R on 1st spin, stop and retrack.
Same Procedure with Figure 6.
If i get:
12
15I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, i follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.
Look out for the 2 Mainpatterns and exploit them if possible:
RBR/BRB and RRBB/BBRR(the terrible twos)
@Fripper..good to hear You found your way to Numerisenvoys.com;)
Now that description of the Bet is a Typo and has been Corrected..
EXAMPLE of my 3000 spin Test:
4
31
10
10
19
3 - Trigger
30 W
17
10
28
32
11
8
12 - Trigger
23 W
15 - Trigger
15 W
30 - Trigger
30 W
5
31
11
36 - Trigger
3 W
34
0
14
20
2
10
15 - Trigger
23 L 1
16 L 2
11 W 3
4
19
9 - Trigger
26 L 1
36 W 2
4
34
28
11
0
18 - Trigger
9 W
21 - Trigger
15 L 1
1 W 2
34
26
30 - Trigger
26 L 1
9 W 2
11
2
23
11
36 - Trigger
1 W
36 - Trigger
31 L 1
5 W 2
13
23
1
1
20
33 - Trigger
13 W
13
19
31
22
13
31
9 - Trigger
34 W
21 - Trigger
16 W
25
31
3 - Trigger
21 W
9 - Trigger
And so on..
"@Fripper..good to hear You found your way to Numerisenvoys.com;)
Now that description of the Bet is a Typo and has been Corrected.."
Ohh, I become to wonder :P
But this is the way to play it then. What do you do if you lose the forth bet? There will be a longer streak of the other colour some time..
Quote from: Fripper on Jul 08, 07:14 AM 2010
"@Fripper..good to hear You found your way to Numerisenvoys.com;)
Now that description of the Bet is a Typo and has been Corrected.."
Ohh, I become to wonder :P
But this is the way to play it then. What do you do if you lose the forth bet? There will be a longer streak of the other colour some time..
I never follow a Timekey more than 4 spins. If it goes LLLL i wait for another Key.
cheers!
Okey mate. I tried it now, if I lost I waited for another trigger and started again with 1,2,3,4.
Started good but then it went down.
One question: What do you do when zero comes?
Attached
I ignore Zero.Just play on. That is only 578 spins. It tells nothing mate;)
There should be 30x100 spins. You need to win 29 out of these 30 sessions.
i will post a Test like this in a while.
Cheers
Quote from: Compa on Jul 08, 08:18 AM 2010
I ignore Zero.Just play on. That is only 578 spins. It tells nothing mate;)
There should be 30x100 spins. You need to win 29 out of these 30 sessions.
i will post a Test like this in a while.
CheersTHANKS FOR THE method, how do you choose a dummy bet while your waiting my understanding your choosing a 2 dozend bet correct.thanks warrior
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Dummy Bet is last spun Half of the Carpet + 2 doublestreets in the opposite Half. so its actually a "semi"-dummy. Ie: you CAN lose but also win..
Quote from: Compa on Jul 08, 09:18 AM 2010
Bella! From now on consider yourself Kicked from this Forum "DUDE"
i have tested 1000 live spins and it holds up, but compa i would not mind if you could show how to properly test this creation of yours,
thanks warrior.
System looks good - so far!!
OK tested against RNG in REAL money mode for a few hours, using the following method
@ any trigger eg 33 = bet black 1,2,4,8 STOP if all 4 lose
@ next trigger eg 3 = bet red 16,32,64,128 BUST if lose, suffer 255 unit loss
Attached file has 1370 attacks, only twice did it lose 255 units, file needs analysing to see if any specific trigger/number can be dropped ie, after which trigger did it lose mostly OR was it an even spread? will another progression work? etc etc
Will set it up on a laptop and let it run for the rest of the day.
Superman, Compa played this with 1,2,3,4 then stop. But I don't know which is the best progression.
Compa
If you look at my results then in 100 spin sessions:
100 spin= -7
100 spin= +26
100 spin= +21
100 spin= -29
100 spin= -1
100 spin= -21
2/6 won
4/6 lost
That is not 29/30 won sessions.
Or am I doing something wrong?
First of all. This is NOT an RNG method. Dont even speak RNG with me. Its NOT Roulette.
Second, Fripper. If this is RNG -sessions. Trash it and make 30x100 spin sessions.
Here is only 6, which 4 lost.
/Compa
OK mate, I will try it on a live wheel then later on. I always do my testing in RNG. But maybe I can collect some old live spins and check.
But ey, rng and live. What's the differens really, they are both random.It is the same. But if you say so, I will give it a go.
live = vs wheel rng = vs software, software eats your $=]
30x100 spins playing the Bet reverse. It almost qualified.
1. -6
2. +25
3. +11
4. +8
5. +23
6. +13
7. +22
8. +2
9. +5
10. +20
11. +16
12. +3
13. +28
14. -21
15. -4
16. +1
17. +6
18. -2
19. -15
20. -2
21. +9
22. +12
23. +8
24. +5
25. +9
26. +22
27. +8
28. +15
29. +19
30. +15
-------------
24 Sessions Won, 6 Lost
Finally found it! Disappeared from the roulette systems, I thought for ever. I tested today 344 spins not so lucky as before but got only 10 losses in 344 spins and the nice surprise I had 24,20,18 wins in row. Fantastic! If I would apply progression for 6 spins instead of 4 I would win all! It will be profitable even with flat bets but with Leveller or Penthouse it is winner in long run, for sure. Best EC system I saw until now. Sometimes the loss came only because zero came between.
Compa what is the bet reverse tweak? I don't understand it? Can you explain, please. If I understand all I can make a progression that it never lose if enough bankroll.
It is pity that it cannot be used on Baccarat, SicBo and craps. Excellent for ECs. It probably works for H/L and O/E also?
Hermes
Hi Hermes. I'm glad You find it useful. I hope your success is based on real Live spins.
Because RNG is NOT Roulette. Its a artificial cheat.
However, personally I'm very restrictive when it comes to how I want something to win in the long run. So in order for me to consider it a consistent Bet, I want a steady Profit on 3000 Live Spins.
Now, I first tested this according to my own Rules but I didnt pass the 30x100 spin sessions.
So with influence of the user Fripper, here on the Board, I reversed the Bet. Not quite as he did it. Because I don't like Martingale whatsoever.
So what I did was just instead of betting RED on a RED Trigger, I did bet BLACK. And instead of BLACK on a BLACK Trigger I did bet RED. So with this strategy I got 24 sessions won and 6 lost.
on my 3000 Live Spins from my local Casino. Still not good enough though. I would have accepted 25 wins and 5 lost.
However there is a reason why these Numbers triggers the Colors. I will not elaborate on it though because it will take too long. And when it comes to E/O, yes, there is a Formula for an integration also. But that is still to be investigated. So You have to be satisified with R/B "only" for now, lol. I have some additional Info though: Number 6 BLACK almost ALWAYS calls BLACK.
And NUmber 12 almost ALWAYS calls RED.
Please feel free to improve, tweak, etc. I know this is a real Beauty. It just needs some finetuning and we have a Bet4 Life ;)
Cheers!
It was live European roulette numbers. I hate RNGs. It is wasting time to test something on RNGs. I don't think that reverse will help! Actually, I wouldn't be winning 24 bets in row if reversed. Clever progression would overcome losses. Working on it. Even master Atlantis could say something to tailored progression? Master cps10 is welcome also.
Hermes
Quote from: superman on Jul 08, 11:04 AM 2010
System looks good - so far!!
OK tested against RNG in REAL money mode for a few hours, using the following method
@ any trigger eg 33 = bet black 1,2,4,8 STOP if all 4 lose
@ next trigger eg 3 = bet red 16,32,64,128 BUST if lose, suffer 255 unit loss
Attached file has 1370 attacks, only twice did it lose 255 units, file needs analysing to see if any specific trigger/number can be dropped ie, after which trigger did it lose mostly OR was it an even spread? will another progression work? etc etc
Will set it up on a laptop and let it run for the rest of the day.
Superman,
I am a big fan of limited martingale betting. I too have been testing this system and am having extremely good results. I was betting the same progression that you are, except if I lose a 1-2-4-8 series, instead of continueing on with the progression at 16-32-64-128, I go to 2-4-8-16 until I recover at which time I drop back to 1-2-4-8. This is much less volatile and it's rare for you not to recover in the next 8 betting opportunities. If you do lose at 2-4-8-16, just go to 4-8-16-32 and if by some total streak from hell, go to 8-16-32-64. If you happen to lose at this level, you should probably take the 225 unit loss. It should be very, very rare.
Once you go to the next betting level don't drop back until you are equal to or ahead of your previous high bank amount.
One final thing. I said I was playing the way above, Ihave now started to test it using the grand martingale 1-3-7-15; 3-6-14-30; etc.... This wins much more rapidly and with a system that wins at the rate this one does, I think an aggressive betting progression is warranted. If you happen to lose all 4 stages of this betting method, you lose 390 units, but you are winning 1 unit for every bet you place rather than 1 unit for every trigger.
Just letting you know what else is happening out there. If we get our heads together, we may have a valid contender here.
Thanks again Compa.
Cheers, Superman,
George
May I suggest if you lose 1 2 4 8 progression, which is 16 units, try flat betting 8 units until you recover. Continue playing as normal Flat betting 8. You would only need 2 more wins to catch up. Then return to 1 2 4 8 progression.
Compa, do you have a win/loss percentage for your system of 3000 spins?
KEEL
Quote from: keel44 on Jul 09, 12:14 AM 2010
May I suggest if you lose 1 2 4 8 progression, which is 16 units, try flat betting 8 units until you recover. Continue playing as normal Flat betting 8. You would only need 2 more wins to catch up. Then return to 1 2 4 8 progression.
Compa, do you have a win/loss percentage for your system of 3000 spins?
KEEL
Hi KEEL. Good Idea with the Recoup-method;) Ill try that one out..
And Yes i have: 24 Sessions won and 6 lost out of the required 30.
Cheers!
Ok Compa, we get the picture about you hating RNG but by the posts everyone is having the same results wether they are on live or rng, it's all random mate.
@ GLC am busy running it using the +1 on a loss OR win if behind, biggest draw down currently is -227 units but it does recover. Will try other progressions at some point soon.
Quote from: superman on Jul 09, 04:30 AM 2010
Ok Compa, we get the picture about you hating RNG but by the posts everyone is having the same results wether they are on live or rng, it's all random mate.
We? Who are We? And NO, its NOT Random. that's why You play the Best System you've ever seen in your Life mate. I know why it works but You don't. RNG is NOT Roulette get that into your Heads.
And where is the Results?? The only Results i have seen is my own Results of 3000 spins.
/Compa
What really intrigues me abhout this method is this;
---Will also ask what is so special about -3-6-9-12-15-18-21-24-27-30-33-36
that it should behave different then -2-5-8-11-14-17-20-23-26-29-32-35--
or for that matter -1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22-25-28-31-34
In my humble opinion there is nothing special,mistery or magics involved.
Am attaching a session where am applaying same Compas method
on the same basis with numbers in column 2----4-reds--8 blacks
and the results are evidently even little better----and if you try it same with the column
1-6-reds--6-blacks---you will get the similar results.
Appreciate Compas idea about this bet which could turn into something very special,
but do not agree that this should work cause some numbers are connected more with
each other then other numbers,as they are all equally connected at the end.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 09, 10:24 AM 2010
What really intrigues me abhout this method is this;
---Will also ask what is so special about -3-6-9-12-15-18-21-24-27-30-33-36
that it should behave different then -2-5-8-11-14-17-20-23-26-29-32-35--
or for that matter -1-4-7-10-13-16-19-22-25-28-31-34
In my humble opinion there is nothing special,mistery or magics involved.
Am attaching a session where am applaying same Compas method
on the same basis with numbers in column 2----4-reds--8 blacks
and the results are evidently even little better----and if you try it same with the column
1-6-reds--6-blacks---you will get the similar results.
Appreciate Compas idea about this bet which could turn into something very special,
but do not agree that this should work cause some numbers are connected more with
each other then other numbers,as they are all equally connected at the end.
If You Read the previous Posts You will notice that most of the posters(if not all) are surprised by the consistent Behaviour of this method. Even some old experienced players that goes way back with me. In my Section there is noneed for arguing against or with. Or any competitive attitudes at all. Then you're at the wrong spot.
So,You do what you think is Best. I am absolutely not interested in your attempt to prove that i am wrong or whatever.
You don't know absolutely nothing about these Numbers or the REASON why I picked them. Or why this is the Best RouletteMethod Ever Posted on the Entire Internet for FREE. And I'm not going to explain it either. So if you have your own method that take the ass off the Casinos, Fine with me. But if You want to argue. or having a problem with competitive behaviour, Go elsewhere. So I tell you only once. One more irreevant post and you're out Companéro.
/Compa
superman how could be RNGs random? What is manipulated by software cannot be random only pseudo. WWW.RANDOM.ORG (link:://WWW.RANDOM.ORG) is atmospheric random, almost random! It is the nearest you can come to random. Much better than RX roulette testings! I do lot of tests on ORG but I still feel the difference between live wheel and the second perfect atmospheric random.
Nobody can copy god and never will. The humanity today's love to copy Satan because it is easy, no challenges, just down hill.
Superman you are still not superman, be patient, you have to learn a lot.
I like all Compa's contributions to forum. Sophisticated entries.
Thanks Hermes
Compa you are wrong about F LAT INO! He didn't offended you, only said his opinion, and all opinions, if not aggressive, should be welcome because are constructive. Competition is healthy because it pushes us to grow further, not retire. The stupid Rockefeller hated competitions and destroyed all. The same do mighty corporations (Microsoft) in present time. Sick ideas are growing faster than cancer.
Hermes
keel's idea is the last stage of Leveller (1-2-4-8). But I wouldn't go to step4 - to bet 8 units until in win. Too much!
1-2-4 is enough, and than bet the 4 units until total breakeven or better than before. With patience it will come.
I see greedy is now regular? Ha, ha, ha... ;D
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 09, 01:53 PM 2010
Compa you are wrong about F LAT INO! He didn't offended you, only said his opinion, and all opinions, if not aggressive, should be welcome because are constructive. Competition is healthy because it pushes us to grow further, not retire. The regular Rockefeller hated competitions and destroyed all. The same do mighty corporations (Microsoft) in present time. Sick ideas are growing faster than cancer.
Hermes
Thanks Hermes,
Was just going to say something like that,but you said it instead.
When I post a method I usually plead for a further improvement and explain my believes why the method could work.Compa continuously refuses to do so--why should the numbers
from the third column behave better then these in second column,on the same basis.
If I knew that i wouldn't ask,and if you posted method,dear Compa,you are kind of obligated to unswer some questions.Nobody is arguing or being competitive,just politely ask question.
Since I consider Hermes as one of the very relevant Players, and one of the biggest contributors, and since i am honored of that he pays attention and even post in my section. I am open for your reply Tino. (he save your butt mate;)
However Guys, I am going to do a "Sticky" about this, but let me spell it out right now.
These are the Rules in my Section:
1.Anyone is Free to Post a method that he/she considering good etc.
2.No One is alloved to "Hammer" a Method.(You will be embarked to the Purgatory in 30 secs)
Why? (see 2a)
2a) Because this is a Section where one either catch up with the post, or dont.
3. It is abolutey alloved to Question a method! But in a competent and in a constructive(!) way
4. I Do not want to hear Why is this, why is that , bla bla, in a subjective way. (very often)
5. The issue is to Beat Roulette, so dont expect any mercy considering Questions, Opinions, etc.
though i am all open for your statements,
This My Section. Stay or Leave. Nothing personal whatsoever.
6.The Stay and gain! Maybe one of my Probuddys will post, ie: Lanky (hasnt lost a BR in 5 yrs) or maybe RONJO, the roulette Wizard (Yes its actually true) the greatest--^^
Just keep up the respect, the courtesy and stay out of competitive behaviour with fellowmembers.
7 So together we maybe we can beat Roulette!
Best Regards!
To those who question Compa's method:
There is an old saying that goes as follows - " Don't look a gift horse in the mouth ".
iggy
Dear Friends,
I think we need to get back on topic.
I don't know what your test results have been but mine have shown a propensity for multiple wins in a row. With that in mind, I have used an up-as-you-win method and have had great success with it.
If you're having multiple wins in a row then use the 1-2-4 up-as-you-win progression
Scooby Doo
You are right iggi, when you get a horse for free bring him to dentist and pay for fixing his teeth, but that's more expensive than buy a new one! Better accept gifts only from within, they are also for free and last for ever.
I am happy that Compa and F LAT INO dug the tomahawk deep into the earth and smoke together hashish peace pipe.
I tested just for curiosity which one of the other 2 ECs are similar to Red an Black and I got this: Black- High - Odd; Red - Low - Even. Try it the same way on the other 2 ECs to see if I hit the target.
Scooby it is too steep, better would be 1-2-3 or 1-1-2-2-3-3.
Hermes
Aha! Nice reflection on the EC;s! Ill check it out;)
Cheers!
Fellow Seekers,
I don't mean to hi-jack Compa's method, so if there's anything improper about this post, Victor, please move it to the appropriate place.
I have been playing with phenominal results the following tweaked Holy Grail for R/B.
Play the bet selection exactly as Compa's original explanation. I don't know why this works with the 12 #'s he has given us as betting triggers but they do seem to work. I haven't tested any other #'s. It could be that any 12 #'s would work just as well. But for now it's the 3rd column. My betting sequence is 1-3-7-15. While waiting for a trigger, I play similar to what Compa recommended, but I bet 3 units on 1-18 EC and 2 units on the 3rd dozen. I never change the bet placement on this 3/2 bet. As all of you know if you land on any number other than 0/00 or 19-24, you win 1 unit.
If you lose the 1-3-7-15 sequence, you increase to 2-6-14-30 until you win your 26 units back. If you lose a 2-6-14-30 sequence, increase to 4-12-28-60 and play this sequence until you recover any lost units. If you lose at this level, you can either stay at 4-12-28-60 until you recover lost units or reach a stop loss, say 350 units; or you can even go to 8-16-32-64. Decide for yourself based on your testing and risk tolerance.
If you lose on the 3/2 unit bet, go to 6/4 for 3 wins. This will recover the 5 units lost plus 1. Drop back to 3/2. If you lose 6/4 before 3 wins, go to 12/8 until you have recovered all lost units. If you lose at 12/8 before full recovery, go to 24/16, then 48/32. If you win 4 or 5 times in a row on any of these levels you will have fully recovered all lost units and be back at your base betting level.
I have a win target of 80 units per session or a loss of 350 units. You should probably have 2 or 3 back-up banks to play this for real money. I have already played 5 sessions on Ladbrokes 0/00 play for free game. I have won all 5 sessions which = +400 units. Most of them were so easy that it was surprising. Also, it doesn't take many spins at all because you are betting on every spin.
The interesting thing about combining these two systems is that when you are playing the Holy Grail R/B system you often times hit some of the losing #'s for the 3/2 system. The two systems meld together quite well, I think.
I have gotten up to betting 48/32 a couple of times, but never lost at that level. I haven't gone beyond the 2-6-14-30 level on the R/B bets, but I'm sure that'll happen eventually.
Give it a try. I think that you'll be surprised at how easy it is to play and how profitable it is in a short period of time. It definitely looks like it will stay well ahead of any losses on a really bad session.
Cheers,
George
P.S. I always bet the R/B system. If I'm betting 6/4 on the other system, I continue to bet that with the R/B simultaneously. If I'm at the 3/2 level when a R/B trigger shows, I quit playing the 3/2 until I have no more bets to place on the R/B system. If I have the opportunity to bet R and B at the same time, I use differential betting until one of them hits. This saves units if the 0/00 hits.
To GLC
I have tried your twists on this system, and I won 100 units. The only concern is that 2/3 bet. I had to go up to 32/48. This dwarfs the measly 1 unit I had on the R/B method. The R/B grail method is the main bet here, not the 2/3 bet. We need to be on more equal terms. The way I understand it, the 2/3 bet is just to pass the time until you get a trigger.
If we want to truly take advantage of the R/B method, we need a more subtle bet to pass the time...........but your idea did indeed work, and worked very well.
KEEL
well it was raining money at my local casino thanks for your methed compa.
Hahaha.. im glad mate;) ;D
Cheers!
Quote from: GLC on Jul 09, 11:04 PM 2010
Fellow Seekers,
I don't mean to hi-jack Compa's method, so if there's anything improper about this post, Victor, please move it to the appropriate place.
I have been playing with phenominal results the following tweaked Holy Grail for R/B.
Play the bet selection exactly as Compa's original explanation. I don't know why this works with the 12 #'s he has given us as betting triggers but they do seem to work. I haven't tested any other #'s. It could be that any 12 #'s would work just as well. But for now it's the 3rd column. My betting sequence is 1-3-7-15. While waiting for a trigger, I play similar to what Compa recommended, but I bet 3 units on 1-18 EC and 2 units on the 3rd dozen. I never change the bet placement on this 3/2 bet. As all of you know if you land on any number other than 0/00 or 19-24, you win 1 unit.
If you lose the 1-3-7-15 sequence, you increase to 2-6-14-30 until you win your 26 units back. If you lose a 2-6-14-30 sequence, increase to 4-12-28-60 and play this sequence until you recover any lost units. If you lose at this level, you can either stay at 4-12-28-60 until you recover lost units or reach a stop-loss, say 350 units; or you can even go to 8-16-32-64. Decide for yourself based on your testing and risk tolerance.
If you lose on the 3/2 unit bet, go to 6/4 for 3 wins. This will recover the 5 units lost plus 1. Drop back to 3/2. If you lose 6/4 before 3 wins, go to 12/8 until you have recovered all lost units. If you lose at 12/8 before full recovery, go to 24/16, then 48/32. If you win 4 or 5 times in a row on any of these levels you will have fully recovered all lost units and be back at your base betting level.
I have a win target of 80 units per session or a loss of 350 units. You should probably have 2 or 3 back-up banks to play this for real money. I have already played 5 sessions on Ladbrokes 0/00 play for free game. I have won all 5 sessions which = +400 units. Most of them were so easy that it was surprising. Also, it doesn't take many spins at all because you are betting on every spin.
The interesting thing about combining these two systems is that when you are playing the Holy Grail R/B system you often times hit some of the losing #'s for the 3/2 system. The two systems meld together quite well, I think.
I have gotten up to betting 48/32 a couple of times, but never lost at that level. I haven't gone beyond the 2-6-14-30 level on the R/B bets, but I'm sure that'll happen eventually.
Give it a try. I think that you'll be surprised at how easy it is to play and how profitable it is in a short period of time. It definitely looks like it will stay well ahead of any losses on a really bad session.
Cheers,
George
P.S. I always bet the R/B system. If I'm betting 6/4 on the other system, I continue to bet that with the R/B simultaneously. If I'm at the 3/2 level when a R/B trigger shows, I quit playing the 3/2 until I have no more bets to place on the R/B system. If I have the opportunity to bet R and B at the same time, I use differential betting until one of them hits. This saves units if the 0/00 hits.
Hi George. No Hijacking in this mate. Feel free to Improve, mod, tweak etc. No problem. One single brain is not as powerful as several together;) Only thing i will not tolerate is stupid remarks. But i belive that is sorted out by now. To me it seems we are only creative posters left, very Nice! Keep me updated Guys and Dolls!
Cheers!
Hi Compa + others,
What about playing level stake units on the original R/B trigger selections for ONE spin ONLY - best of 10??
After EACH 10 bets assess the bank balance:
1) If level or ahead - continue at same level for next 10 bets
2a) If behind and lost overall over last 10 bets - increase stake by 1 unit for next 10 bets
ELSE
2b) if behind and profited over the last 10 bets but still behind overall - remain at same level for next 10 bets.
3) Stop session when +5 approx.
Casino Wiesbaden 06 JUL 2010 - Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net, Bal.,Bet Layout
1,5,No,0,0,0,0,500,
2,23,No,0,0,0,0,500,
3,24,No,0,0,0,0,500,
4,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
5,0,No,0,0,0,0,501,
6,20,No,0,0,0,0,501,
7,0,No,0,0,0,0,501,
8,0,No,0,0,0,0,501,
9,8,No,0,0,0,0,501,
10,15,No,0,0,0,0,501,
11,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black
12,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
13,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
14,3,No,0,0,0,0,500,
15,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Red
16,8,No,0,0,0,0,499,
17,25,No,0,0,0,0,499,
18,14,No,0,0,0,0,499,
19,23,No,0,0,0,0,499,
20,19,No,0,0,0,0,499,
21,2,No,0,0,0,0,499,
22,27,No,0,0,0,0,499,
23,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Red
24,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : Black
25,11,No,0,0,0,0,499,
26,6,No,0,0,0,0,499,
27,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : Black
28,10,No,0,0,0,0,498,
29,7,No,0,0,0,0,498,
30,21,No,0,0,0,0,498,
31,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,499,1 : Red
32,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Red ** level after 10 - stay @1u
33,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
34,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
35,4,No,0,0,0,0,502,
36,6,No,0,0,0,0,502,
37,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
38,26,No,0,0,0,0,501,
39,18,No,0,0,0,0,501,
40,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
41,24,No,0,0,0,0,500,
42,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
43,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
44,24,No,0,0,0,0,502,
45,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
46,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
47,11,No,0,0,0,0,502,
48,9,No,0,0,0,0,502,
49,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
50,24,No,0,0,0,0,501,
51,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black ** +0 after 20 - stay @1u
52,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Red
53,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Black
54,35,No,0,0,0,0,500,
55,22,No,0,0,0,0,500,
56,5,No,0,0,0,0,500,
57,14,No,0,0,0,0,500,
58,36,No,0,0,0,0,500,
59,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
60,23,No,0,0,0,0,501,
61,21,No,0,0,0,0,501,
62,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
63,20,No,0,0,0,0,502,
64,6,No,0,0,0,0,502,
65,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
66,17,No,0,0,0,0,501,
67,7,No,0,0,0,0,501,
68,24,No,0,0,0,0,501,
69,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
70,1,No,0,0,0,0,502,
71,31,No,0,0,0,0,502,
72,27,No,0,0,0,0,502,
73,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
74,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Red
75,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
76,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red * +2 after 30 - stay @1u
77,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
78,14,No,0,0,0,0,501,
79,2,No,0,0,0,0,501,
80,36,No,0,0,0,0,501,
81,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
82,15,No,0,0,0,0,502,
83,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black
84,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Black
85,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
86,0,No,0,0,0,0,505,
87,15,No,0,0,0,0,505,
88,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Black
89,33,No,0,0,0,0,506,
90,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black
91,34,No,0,0,0,0,507,
92,0,No,0,0,0,0,507,
93,4,No,0,0,0,0,507,
94,19,No,0,0,0,0,507,
95,24,No,0,0,0,0,507,
96,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
97,18,No,0,0,0,0,508,
98,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Red
99,6,No,0,0,0,0,507,
100,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black * +6 after 40 - STOP
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+6 in 40 bets @100 spins.
maxdrawdown=3.
Highest Bet=1.
Didnt need to increase stake in this session. :)
Didn't bother with the other 'stay at table' bet.
There was a session high of +8 on spin 96 - just wanted to complete the 10 bet cycle...
Cheers,
Atlantis.
Thanks mate! Great thing. Must be tested;)
Cheers!
Using level stakes, betting once only on trigger + cycles of 10 bets above:
Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in 50 bets@227 spins; d/down=15; highest bet=3
Table 4: +5.5 in 48 bets@171 spins; d/down=13.5; highest bet=2
Table 8: +6.5 in 59 bets@224 spins; d/down=10; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 9 bets@29 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1
A.
The reason why this bet looks more than promising interests me the most.
I came up with this bet:
3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = triggers for BLACK
6.15.24.33 = also triggers for BLACK
2.8.11.17.20.26.29.35 = triggers for RED
5.14.23.32 = also triggers for RED
It's not that often for a dozen or column to repeat. So if 3rd column hits it's most likely that next spin will be one of two other columns. 3rd column has 8 reds and 4 blacks, so it means that in other two columns are 14 blacks and 10 reds = black is more likely to hit.
Same (opposite) for 2nd column.
It may be only fallacy but it seems like ok reason (at least to me).
To Compa: Thank you for your kind words. Don't bother with those who do not appreciate most valuable thing posted in years, it's their loss.
Quote from: Paja on Jul 10, 09:00 AM 2010
The reason why this bet looks more than promising interests me the most.
I came up with this bet:
3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = triggers for BLACK
6.15.24.33 = also triggers for BLACK
2.8.11.17.20.26.29.35 = triggers for RED
5.14.23.32 = also triggers for RED
It's not that often for a dozen or column to repeat. So if 3rd column hits it's most likely that next spin will be one of two other columns. 3rd column has 8 reds and 4 blacks, so it means that in other two columns are 14 blacks and 10 reds = black is more likely to hit.
Same (opposite) for 2nd column.
It may be only fallacy but it seems like ok reason (at least to me).
To Compa: Thank you for your kind words. Don't bother with those who do not appreciate most valuable thing posted in years, it's their loss.
Hi Paja,
Good reasoning...
Would like to to see how it would fare if added in to the "bet once; cycles of 10" mod. Certainly there would be more bet opportunities and hopefully shorter profitable sessions?
:)
A.
Hi Paja,
Quote
Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in 50 bets@227 spins; d/down=15; highest bet=3
Table 4: +5.5 in 48 bets@171 spins; d/down=13.5; highest bet=2
Table 8: +6.5 in 59 bets@224 spins; d/down=10; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 9 bets@29 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1
Here are results from same sessions if using the ORIGINAL column 3 triggers (R/B) and factoring in your column 2 triggers (always bet on RED):
Using level stakes, betting once only on trigger + cycles of 10 bets method:
Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in ?? bets@35 spins; d/down=11; highest bet=2
Table 4: +6 in 42 bets@67 spins; d/down=8; highest bet=2
Table 8: +6.5 in 54 bets@84 spins; d/down=16; highest bet=4
Table 9: +5 in 17 bets@29 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1
The number of spins before target reached is definately reduced for some of the longer sessions.... Forgot to log table 3 bet count.
You may wish to try it with exclusively YOUR column 2/3 triggers exactly to see if any difference or improvement...
A.
A.
Once again you bring me back down to earth. I tend to like to rachet it up on the stakes for a more rapid, higher win in a shorter period of time. I think that my posted tweak wins at a solid rate, but also at a higher risk level.
Your betting method looks to be profitable and very stable. Will try it and see what happens. Also, Paja's reasoning is akin to your reasoning re: using columns to trigger betting on the Hi/Lo EC's. Let's hope we don't run into the same problem where we win a lot of small wins but every now and then a killer loss comes along.
Paja,
Excellent observation. I think you may be on to something with your reasoning. I like the more triggers. I'm not ready to totally give up on pairing the 3/2 system with this and the fewer bets on the 3/2 may make it a stronger bet in the long run, I think. Time will tell.
Keel,
I know you're right in your observation re: the 3/2 system. It is only a small twist on Compa's sitting at the table bet. I have tried for a long time to figure out how to make it a profitable bet. Even though "The Barbi" system is based on it and claims to be a long-term winner, I've never been able to prove it to myself. It seems to do better when tied to Comp's trigger system because we don't play it continuously and some of the losses are missed while playing R/B. I admit that in the long run it may ruin the R/B system. I like Atlantis' betting method. If it holds up we could be able to make more $ per hour because we can bet larger units without having up to 80 units riding on a single spin.
My basic tendency is to toward Mr. J's progression style. I admit that in real play, it's hard to shell out 80 units on a spin if the units are $5, $10 or $25. Oh well, we have to deal with who we are. That's why this forum is so good. Helps us all reach equilibrium.
George
Hi Guys. Now, I do not agree about the Triggers.
This is a 2500 spin Session Report playing The method reversed:
There were 24 wins and 6 loss. The losses had been avoided playing the Method as created.
However, there is a point doing the reverse Bet.. When we have:
21 <--Trigger: play RED
26 L <--play RED again
or:
21 <--play BLACK
26 W<--play RED
Ok,, the sessions:
1. -6
2. +25
3. +11
4. +8
5. +23
6. +13
7. +22
8. +2
9. +5
10. +20
11. +16
12. +3
13. +28
14. -21
15. -4
16. +1
17. +6
18. -2
19. -15
20. -2
21. +9
22. +12
23. +8
24. +5
25. +9
26. +22
27. +8
28. +15
29. +19
30. +15
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24 Sessions Won, 6 Lost
Cheers
Here are the results playing it I think the way Warrior and GLC tried it earlier in the thread.
If a column 3 RED - bet RED
If a column 2 BLACK - bet BLACK
Betting once only and using "cycle of 10" method described above.
Casino Wiesbaden 9 Jul 2010
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Table 3: +5 in 11 bets@31 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1
Table 4: +6 in 67 bets@143 spins; d/down=17; highest bet=3
Table 8: +6.5 in 20 bets@53 spins; d/down=5; highest bet=2
Table 9: +5 in 15 bets@43 spins; d/down=1; highest bet=1
A.
Ok mate. Thanks;)
Cheers
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 09, 08:44 PM 2010
You are right iggi, when you get a horse for free bring him to dentist and pay for fixing his teeth, but that's more expensive than buy a new one! Better accept gifts only from within, they are also for free and last for ever.
I am happy that Compa and F LAT INO dug the tomahawk deep into the earth and smoke together hashish peace pipe.
I tested just for curiosity which one of the other 2 ECs are similar to Red an Black and I got this: Black- High - Odd; Red - Low - Even. Try it the same way on the other 2 ECs to see if I hit the target.
Scooby it is too steep, better would be 1-2-3 or 1-1-2-2-3-3.
Hermes
Hermes mate,
Compa and me are old mates,and we went through some tough battles traying to
create CWB,in his FAGC secret section back on the old VLS/but since am here under other name/he is not aware that I'm only traying to solve this to the best for all,and am glad that Atlantis and some other guys are bringing up my suggestion of 2nd column bet also.
But I don't wish to suggest anything just now,but when you all deplete your ideas,I might with Compas permission,give my oppinion and suggestion on this bet staking plan.
Please feel free to contribute Tino. No problem, go ahead;)
Cheers!
Okay, for those of you who would like to try a way to play this idea the Compa has shared with us in a way that wins fairly quickly, about 20 units in 100 spins. And, you don't mind risking 300 units, try this. (Don't risk the 300 units until you've tested and found out for yourself if this system is for you.)
A spin on the 3rd dozen triggers a single bet on Black. A spin on the 2nd dozen triggers a single bet on Red. A spin on the 1st dozen triggers Compa's bet on the Hi/Lo EC and the opposing dozen if you need to bet to keep your seat at the table.
The betting mod is a combination of mini martingale and fibonacci.
1
2
4
4
8
12
12
20
32
44
61
96
If you're unlucky enough to lose all 12 bets, please don't ever play Russian Roulette. Also, you'll lose 296 units. A substantial number, but not so much considering the win rate of this system.
You only bet once on each trigger. As you can see, the first 3 bets are a mini martingale. A win on any of them results in +1 unit. We only play until we are +1 then we start a new attack. We will use Victor's "conscious" progression idea. That means that if our next bet according to the above progression would net us more than +1 on a win, we reduce that bet so we only win 1 unit.
If you lose the first 3 bets, we go into a fibo style in that we have to win 2 bets to get +1.
So, let's say we lose the first 4 bets. Our next bet is 8 units. We are down 11 units. If we win the 8 unit bet we are still down 3 units and must drop down to the 4 unit bet. If we win, we are at +1. Start a new attack. Anytime we are betting the second 4, the 8 or the frist 12 unit bets, we must also bet the previous bet in order to reach +1. Caveat. If we win then lose then win then lose etc... we will be whittleing away our deficit and can move down the progression as required so that we keep our bets as low as possible at all times. Study the progression a little so that you understand completely what I'm saying. (Forgive me if I'm getting too detailed. I know that most of you are way ahead of me on this.)
If you reach the second 12 unit bet or higher, you must win three times in a row to reach +1. Although, the same situation will arise as explained above if you are winning and losing in a choppy fashion. You can accumulate units and work your way back down the progression without having to win 3 in a row.
This idea Compa has shared with us seems to be a really valuable concept. I could just be getting lucky, but I have been having phenominal luck in my testings. I have played over 1000 spins, am up over 300 units and haven't even come close to reaching the end of the progression. The highest I've had to bet is the second 12 unit bet and the most I've been in the hole is 31 units. About 80% of the time you win on the first 3 bets.
It easy to play. Just run it through a few hundred spins and if you like it good. Maybe you can help tweak it to improve it.
I stopped at a highest bet of 96 units because the roulette wheel I have access to only allows a 100 unit spread. Heck, if you can't win with a 100 unit spread, don't play it, right.
Cheers,
George
I didn't see that you offended compa you only asked questions. You don't need to ask compa for permission to ad your contribution to this excellent strategy if made polite. We need your brain also F LAT INO you are good thinker (funny name, how did you come to this name? In jail?). Just say your opinion we are waiting for it. We shouldn't be so easily offended. When we know the values within us nobody can offend us.
I like the Atlantis secure strategy but too much sweat for a little gain. This strategy should give around $100/hour on $5 minimum table.
If we could play the same strategy also on H/L and E/O we wouldn't need any more triggers. Just hooks. But it must be tested if it is workable.
Hermes
Very Nice Guys! Keep them all ideas coming! I like the "Avalanche"...lol
Cheers!
Here are 800 consecutive spins on a real table at a real casino (double zero) using a fibonacci prog (ignore the word Labby on the spreadsheet). I only used bets on RED to see what it would do. And, I only used Compa's original instructions.
Hope it helps. Good luck.
Here are the same 800 playing both red and black.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 10, 09:57 PM 2010
Here are the same 800 playing both red and black.
Wally,
Thanks for posting your charts. I ran through the same #s with my method mentioned above and tanked before reaching half way through. It shows once again that steep progressions are very dangerous. I think you were lucky that your fibo didn't tank also. I think what saved you was that you were betting each color with separate banks.
Maybe I'll re-do mine using separate banks. Although, being at -170 half way through because of reaching the end of my progression leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Once again, it's good that we're still in the testing phase so all I lost was my high hopes.
Once again, even though Atlantis' progression is a slow grind, it's probably a better way to play this system.
Drats, and I thought I had the Grail. Well, at least I won't violate my own request, "Don't call it the Holy Grail if it isn't."
Keep testing.
George
P.S. With this new development, and from my perspective, F_LAT_INO's Consistent Winning Bet System is still King. Some of you ought to look at it again. I think it has the potential to be a real contender to be called The H___ G____.
It was always meant to bet separate progression on R and B. The Leveller is still the best.
I tested almost 600 spins and still winner and it stay that way.
Hermes
Hermes could you go over how you play this technique with the leveller?
KEEL
Compa buddy, i just lost in my test with one of your numbers beyond 4 spins. I don't think it can work on a long run. Though it will work sometimes, matter of luck, but won't work consistently.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 10, 11:42 PM 2010
Wally,
Thanks for posting your charts. I ran through the same #s with my method mentioned above and tanked before reaching half way through. It shows once again that steep progressions are very dangerous. I think you were lucky that your fibo didn't tank also. I think what saved you was that you were betting each color with separate banks.
Maybe I'll re-do mine using separate banks. Although, being at -170 half way through because of reaching the end of my progression leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Once again, it's good that we're still in the testing phase so all I lost was my high hopes.
Once again, even though Atlantis' progression is a slow grind, it's probably a better way to play this system.
Drats, and I thought I had the Grail. Well, at least I won't violate my own request, "Don't call it the Holy Grail if it isn't."
Keep testing.
George
P.S. With this new development, and from my perspective, F_LAT_INO's Consistent Winning Bet System is still King. Some of you ought to look at it again. I think it has the potential to be a real contender to be called The H___ G____.
Thanks for the compl.George---but I firmly believe in this bet also....Why?????
Cause am acquaint with this bet for two years now/my friend Compa know what am I talking about/as original version of the bet that we tested,was somewhat different,then later tweaked to better,and now finally tweaked by Compa in his version.That,gents is call a team work--improvement to the better,and I'm always for such kind of cooperation.
Who cares,as long as it works.Cause of similarity of these 2 bets,I have tested and played first and second version for over 70000 spins and it shows great results----but I believe this Compas tweak--of it simplicity and proper staking plan can work even greater.
When I get the time will show you how I would play this,actually right now--Hermes way--leveler-cause as there are not long deviations --it mostly goes zig-zag fashion,and katches quickly .................Iboba
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 11, 01:31 AM 2010
Compa buddy, I just lost in my test with one of your numbers beyond 4 spins. I don't think it can work on a long run. Though it will work sometimes, matter of luck, but won't work consistently.
Iggiv dear,
You are wrong as usual.It seems you 2/weddings/are prepaid to constantly do
this.Didn't I prove you wrong in my thread and quiten you very soon.Go back to Steves forum
and do that there as instructed.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 11, 04:13 AM 2010
Thanks for the compl.George---but I firmly believe in this bet also....Why?????
Cause am acquaint with this bet/not exactly with this Compas particular bet for two years now/my friend Compa know what am I talking about/as original version of the bet that we tested,was somewhat different,then later tweaked to better,and now finally tweaked by Compa in his version.That,gents is call a team work--improvement to the better,and I'm always for such kind of cooperation.
Who cares,as long as it works.Cause of similarity of these 2 bets,I have tested and played first and second version for over 70000 spins and it shows great results----but I believe this Compas tweak--of it simplicity and proper staking plan can work even greater.
When I get the time will show you how I would play this,actually right now--Hermes way--leveler-cause as there are not long deviations --it mostly goes zig-zag fashion,and katches quickly .................Iboba
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA ,,,IBOBAA You Old Crook ;D I knew it was YOU! But why that Nick mate?:)
Now when i know its You we can finally take off for real. LOL!
Great to have You back mate :thumbsup:
Cheers!
. . . . . . . maybe you guys and dolls should be more flexable. . . . . . instead of just looking at fixed numbers just look at their indicators. . . . . . . like 36 is an 6, 24 is an 4. . . . . . like that and then see what com after the number indicator. . . . . .
Example. . . . . . .
36
4
5
24 after the number 4 come an red one, thus play red next bets
16 win, after the number 36 com an black one, thus play black next bet
32
30
20 win. . . . .
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Compa on Jul 11, 05:53 AM 2010
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA ,,,IBOBAA You Old Crook ;D I knew it was YOU! But why that Nick mate?:)
Now when I know its You we can finally take off for real. LOL!
Great to have You back mate :thumbsup:
Cheers!
Nick name?????Cause of flat bets---but let kill this one first---when finished with testing
3000 numbers,with all details will report.Now going swimming.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 11, 05:15 AM 2010
Iggiv dear,
You are wrong as usual.It seems you 2/weddings/are prepaid to constantly do
this.Didn't I prove you wrong in my thread and quiten you very soon.Go back to Steves forum
and do that there as instructed.
You try to insult me, buddy. That's very wrong. If u don't trust me, ask Victor. I am one who helped this forum to stay alive by the way, ask him. Ask him also what he thinks about what i am doing here, if i try to put this forum down or not. Ask him about my contributions to this forum.
Also ask Compa himself, what he thinks about me, if he thinks i am trying to put his methods down or i am looking for real winning.
I am telling u this, man! When say about something that it lost with me, it REALLY LOST, i did not make it up. And also your insults are so disgusting, man. You REALLY make up stories about me.
I am gonna show Victor this thread, i am asking him to intervene and defence my honesty in this matter. I won't let u someone just come here and accuse me of bringing people or this forum down.
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 11, 09:09 AM 2010
I am one who helped this forum to stay alive by the way, ask him. Ask him also what he thinks about what I am doing here, if I try to put this forum down or not. Ask him about my contributions to this forum.
Igal has been silently providing financial support in prior months to help complete the hosting bill.
Absolutely right! He is a
very real contributor for our community.
The least anyone who knows him would think is he would make something against us.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 11, 05:15 AM 2010
Iggiv dear,
You are wrong as usual.It seems you 2/weddings/are prepaid to constantly do
this.Didn't I prove you wrong in my thread and quiten you very soon.Go back to Steves forum
and do that there as instructed.
F_LAT_INO, kindly apologize to Igal please.
Steve has nothing -I repeat- NOTHING to do with us here.
It is Compa's section, can we deal with this at the community council? At this thread: link:://rouletteforum.cc/community-council/(compa's-way)-re-the-holy-grail (link:://rouletteforum.cc/community-council/(compa's-way)-re-the-holy-grail)!-(for-redblack)/
Compa, please feel free to clean-up this thread once F_LAT_INO replies at the community council's thread.
This should be debated and fixed there.
Thanx Vic, for helping to defence my good name in this situation.
U know me well enough, u and me may argue on some things and tell each other something unpleasant but we are still friends, and u know me well enough i guess to judge this:
what do u think, would i deliberately lie to someone about using his method and losing with it?
I told Compa before that some things he uses and says they are winning consistently, these things did not work with me. He never doubted my honesty. Why someone come here and accuse me of lying and making up stories?
i may be wrong, i may do wrong tests (though i doubt), but i never would and i never will do something here like confusing someone telling them lies about their methods losing if they are not losing in reality
No problem Mate. Everybody go and read the Sticky b4 posting!! Thanks
Cheers!
i am going to post my real data now, what i tested right now
screen shot, real spins, real excel export RX file of betting history
7 blacks in the row after number 30
Igg. Is this a 30x100 test? Please dont publish if its not properly tested mate.
Thanks
but i lost right away, Compa. how many losses did u have within 3000 spins?
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 11, 10:13 AM 2010
But I lost right away, Compa. how many losses did you have within 3000 spins?
24 sessions won. 6 Lost
honestly i was confused by term "HG". HG means it doesn't lose. So u have to work on averages to win. i see. thanx for clearing up
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 11, 09:09 AM 2010
You try to insult me, buddy. That's very wrong. If you don't trust me, ask Victor. I am one who helped this forum to stay alive by the way, ask him. Ask him also what he thinks about what I am doing here, if I try to put this forum down or not. Ask him about my contributions to this forum.
Also ask Compa himself, what he thinks about me, if he thinks I am trying to put his methods down or I am looking for real winning.
I am telling you this, man! When say about something that it lost with me, it REALLY LOST, I did not make it up. And also your insults are so disgusting, man. You REALLY make up stories about me.
I am gonna show Victor this thread, I am asking him to intervene and defence my honesty in this matter. I won't let you someone just come here and accuse me of bringing people or this forum down.
Nobody insulted you man,
But just noticed all over the net your negative remarks regarding anybodys posted
method--including my own--but after I proved with 13 every day Wiesbaden sessions
that it works and that it beat each session---did I hear about you after that.NOOOO.
In other words you where insulting me and my knowledge about roulette,not vice versa.Next time you test somebodys method do it propely,--not just saying it can not work cause of randomness ect.--and that you are due to excuse your self cause of your
ignorance compering to the method I postThere it is in all original spin attachments
so go and learn something buddy./color]
u go on insulting me. i have never insulted u. i never said anything about your ignorance.
i have been the first member of this forum, since Vic just opened it. I contributed to this forum financially to help to stay it alive. So people like u can discuss roulette.
now u stubborn fellow, u go on insulting me telling about my ignorance bla-bla-blah. Just because i dared to disagree with u.
I did not use your system since then. I lost with it, i was puzzled why it works with u why it loses with me. I work on my own systems. I don't have much time to test your system.
I am not calling u ignorant or something like this, but u r not nice and a very rude person.
And your accusations are pointless. You love yourself too much to understand that someone may have other opinion with u or that someone is not interested about testing your shining method. So u insult your opponent.
Good luck.
F_LAT_INO, by the way Victor asked you to give me apologies.
I have right to make negative remarks about other people systems, this is my free speech right, I do not insult anyone by saying that in my opinion a system won't work on a long run. Period.
u go on attacking me. Fine. I can't care less. I won't go down to your level of argument to call you ignorant or something like this. But the obvious thing is you don't know how to behave in normal civilized society with free speech. U r a rude person with no tact and you r not capable for peaceful discussion if someone has different opinion.
Well, this is YOUR PROBLEM, not mine. If Victor puts up with this kind of behaviour, and lets you get away with this...well I guess it will go on and on.
that's how previous forum was damaged, now people like you are gonna damage this forum unless something is gonna be done here and people with such behaviour will be taught some lesson.
I don't give a damn honestly. But I feel good that I don't know you personally and will hopefully never meet you in person. Thanx.
Compa,
I would like to ask if you could refresh the exact rules of how YOU are NOW playing this R/B system as I may want to do some more valid tests.
Thanks,
Atlantis.
The Figure 3 and 9 is all RED Numbers. The Figure 6 is all BLACK Numbers.
3.6.9, The Key of Time rules the Roulette. So it decides the outcome in the Column 1 and 2.
Figure 3: 3.12.21.30
Figure 9: 9.18.27.36
Figure 6: 6.15.24.33
So when we see any Number in Figure 3 Or 9, bet RED. If hit on R on 1st spin, stop and retrack.
When we see any 6.15.24.33, bet BLACK
4 spins max. im doing a progression 1123
Cheers!
If i get:
12
15
I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, i follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.
Cheers!
Quote from: Compa on Jul 11, 11:27 AM 2010
If I get:
12
15
I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, I follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.
(1) Can you please provide an example of this as a win and then as a loss? Thanks.
(2) On the progression, if you lose the 1,1,2,3 do you reset to 1,1,2,3 or are you continuing with the progression 1,1,2,3,4,5, etc .... ?
Thanks, Wally
Hi. I dont know what You mean by an example. There IS an example mentioned.
It cant get clearer than that,,lol.
If I get:
12 <--Bet R
15
9 W <--Now bet B (DBL)
I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, I follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.
Reset to 1 1 2 3 if lose.
Cheers
Hold the phone guys and gals (if there are any gals).
I just realized that I've been playing the system wrong. I was only betting 1 time after each trigger and win or lose wait for the next trigger before betting the next step in the progression. Now that I realize that you can bet up to 4 times for each trigger to hit, it may make my sessions turn out better.
I'm going to re-do Wally's numbers. Those were numbers from hell for the old way I was playing. I just barely survived the beginning with all those zeros, but a streak later got me. It's possible that I could have recovered and ended with a win by the 800th number, but gave up too early.
George
Umm, can this system be coded into RX?
Or would Victor be able to code it?
Or perhaps Tiago?
Quote from: thomasgrant on Jul 11, 03:44 PM 2010
Umm, can this system be coded into RX?
Or would Victor be able to code it?
Or perhaps Tiago?
It certainly can! Who volunteers?
it is easy to do it for one next spin betting red/black after a certain number. but the next part (betting 3 more spins with progression) can be harder.
Quote from: Compa on Jul 11, 11:27 AM 2010
The Figure 3 and 9 is all RED Numbers. The Figure 6 is all BLACK Numbers.
3.6.9, The Key of Time rules the Roulette. So it decides the outcome in the Column 1 and 2.
Figure 3: 3.12.21.30
Figure 9: 9.18.27.36
Figure 6: 6.15.24.33
So when we see any Number in Figure 3 Or 9, bet RED. If hit on R on 1st spin, stop and retrack.
When we see any 6.15.24.33, bet BLACK
4 spins max. I'm doing a progression 1123
Cheers!
If I get:
12
15
I continue bet on the 12 Key. If Win on RED, I follow the 15 Key and bet BLACK.
Cheers!
I tested 10x100 spins sessions from wiesbaden , january 2010, table 3 using this method
1. -28
2. +2
3. -9
4. +4
5. 0
6. +19
7. -24
8. -18
9. -11
10. +12
0 during a progression is treated as regular loss.
12 bet RED
15 bet RED
23 bet BLACK ------- In situations like this i was betting progression 1,1,2,3 from first step, didn't skip first step (like 1,2,3) because of 23 as a virtual loss.
I will keep testing for 20 more sessions.
Here are 800 spins using the progression as stated. Needs a more aggressive progression, I think. Break the x100 spins any way you'd like, I just don't see how it can consistently win with this progression. Maybe I'm playing it wrong. Can you please take a look?
Thanks, Wally
Gents,
I've been thinking about this system of Compa's and the idea that two columns are less likely to hit in a row than for two different columns to hit. Looking at the carpet we find 4 Red numbers in the 2nd column and 4 Black numbers in the 3rd column. So, I ran a quick test on Wally's 796 numbers to see how things would work if I used these 8 numbers as trigger numbers.
If a 5,14,23, or 32 spins we bet on Red for 1 spin. (The following came form Paja's post. ) Because if the odds are better for the 1 or 3 column to hit after the 2nd column hits, and there are 14 Reds and 10 Blacks in the 1 and 3 columns, it seems like a Red has a better chance of spinning than a Black. I only bet for 1 spin because it's only a 50/50 bet so if you bet for 2 or more chances for Red to show it appears to me to go beyond the odds. Same for the Blacks 6,15,24, and 33. If one of these shows, I bet on Black for 1 spin only.
I ended up with 71 wins and 70 losses out of 141 bets out of 796 spins. Now this doesn't reflect much of an edge, but if you give me 71 to70 forever and let me use a progression of some kind, I think I will soon be a rich man. And all of you too will be rich. Unfortunately, Victor, that would mean there would be no need for forums since everybody would be rich. (Just doing a little day dreaming. Forgive me for my occassional levity. It's late and I like to amuse myself some.)
Compa, what do you think? Can this be of any help to us or not? Does this trigger any other ideas that can be helpful?
Good night. I'm going to sleep on it.
George
Negative Alembert of Fibonacci will not do it, they are to weak if a few times in row come 4 losses. I play 1-2-4 (Leveller) separately on Black / Red and then 4 units until breakeven or better total. Never lost a session. If one is losing the other is winning.
Hermes
Quote from: GLC on Jul 12, 12:03 AM 2010
Gents,
I've been thinking about this system of Compa's and the idea that two columns are less likely to hit in a row than for two different columns to hit. Looking at the carpet we find 4 Red numbers in the 2nd column and 4 Black numbers in the 3rd column. So, I ran a quick test on Wally's 796 numbers to see how things would work if I used these 8 numbers as trigger numbers.
If a 5,14,23, or 32 spins we bet on Red for 1 spin. (The following came form Paja's post. ) Because if the odds are better for the 1 or 3 column to hit after the 2nd column hits, and there are 14 Reds and 10 Blacks in the 1 and 3 columns, it seems like a Red has a better chance of spinning than a Black. I only bet for 1 spin because it's only a 50/50 bet so if you bet for 2 or more chances for Red to show it appears to me to go beyond the odds. Same for the Blacks 6,15,24, and 33. If one of these shows, I bet on Black for 1 spin only.
I ended up with 71 wins and 70 losses out of 141 bets out of 796 spins. Now this doesn't reflect much of an edge, but if you give me 71 to70 forever and let me use a progression of some kind, I think I will soon be a rich man. And all of you too will be rich. Unfortunately, Victor, that would mean there would be no need for forums since everybody would be rich. (Just doing a little day dreaming. Forgive me for my occassional levity. It's late and I like to amuse myself some.)
Compa, what do you think? Can this be of any help to us or not? Does this trigger any other ideas that can be helpful?
Good night. I'm going to sleep on it.
George
Not a bad idea, George. Please keep us informed of your progress on this variation. Thanks.
A.
Watch out mates! I have seen a Column repeat 12 times in a row..4-5 times is'nt that rare either.
Cheers!
Hermes,
Can you please explain the Leveller, or point us in the right direction for the explanation?
Thanks, Wally
Hey wally. The way I have understand it:
Bet 1,1
if win bet the same.
if lose, bet 2,2
if lose again, bet 4,4 everytime until you are in profit.
But I tried this and it is hard to recover if you are down some units.
Quote from: Fripper on Jul 12, 10:55 AM 2010
Hey wally. The way I have understand it:
Bet 1,1
if win bet the same.
if lose, bet 2,2
if lose again, bet 4,4 everytime until you are in profit.
But I tried this and it is hard to recover if you are down some units.
Hermes is the expert on the leveller but the way I understand it you bet 1-2-4 and if you lose these 3 bets you continue to bet 4 each time until you are ahead then start over at 1.
What fripper is explaining is the 2up 2down bet method. A little different than the leveller.
G
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 12, 12:16 AM 2010
Negative Alembert of Fibonacci will not do it, they are to weak if a few times in row come 4 losses. I play 1-2-4 (Leveller) separately on Black / Red and then 4 units until breakeven or better total. Never lost a session. If one is losing the other is winning.
Hermes
Congratulations Hermes,
I knew it all the time/that's why I sort of been forcing it on my mate Compas/2-nd column/----and now for all --playing it separately/tested 9000 spins,3x100--not even one lost session----
try it and find out.-----Congratulation Compa mate----Didn't I told you 2 years ago when we started this---that I'm smelling money here.............Iboba
And forgot to say---have tested all these 9000 spins with all kind of
progression---and the one that Compa suggested is most effective-with no risk involved.WHY?????
He is going for a win of 1 unit straight on the first bet---2nd bet egal-3th.bet egal
4-th. bet lose 1 unit.Now approximately you have 7-10 wins in Ã,¸100 spins in the first attempt---and 1-2 win in the 4th.attempt,where you lose 1 unit,50-70% are wins in 2-3th attempt
and if you have approximatelly one lose of 1-1-2-3-which is 7 units-you are always in the Porche driving seat.Tested and find out......................Iboba
Quote from: GLC on Jul 12, 11:28 AM 2010
Hermes is the expert on the leveller but the way I understand it you bet 1-2-4 and if you lose these 3 bets you continue to bet 4 each time until you are ahead then start over at 1.
What fripper is explaining is the 2up 2down bet method. A little different than the leveller.
G
So you are saying that even if we win on 1 we bet 2 next time? Otherwise I explained it right.
I don't even know what 2up 2down bet method is.
Fripper
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 12, 02:34 PM 2010
And forgot to say---have tested all these 9000 spins with all kind of
progression---and the one that Compa suggested is most effective-with no risk involved.WHY?????
He is going for a win of 1 unit straight on the first bet---2nd bet egal-3th.bet egal
4-the. bet lose 1 unit.Now approximately you have 7-10 wins in ¸100 spins in the first attempt---and 1-2 win in the 4th.attempt,where you lose 1 unit,50-70% are wins in 2-3th attempt
and if you have approximatelly one lose of 1-1-2-3-which is 7 units-you are always in the Porche driving seat.Tested and find out......................Iboba
IBOBA that's YOU I was wondering where you went,can you show us how you would play ? and do you use the reds in the second colum as a trigger fore red? and are you usindg two seperate banks for the2nd and the 3rd colum ? thanks warrior.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 12, 03:49 PM 2010
IBOBA that's YOU I was wondering where you went,can you show us how you would play ? and do you use the reds in the second colum as a trigger fore red? and are you usindg two seperate banks for the2nd and the 3rd colum ? thanks warrior.
Warrior,
Been here all the time/F_lat_ino---but had to disclousure myself cause almost get
kicked by my mate Compa/lol/for mentioning 2-nd.column.
You bet exactly as Compa explained---blacks in the third column as a triggers for blacks,---reds in the second column for the triggers for reds---reds in the third column for the triggers for reds,and blacks in the second columns as a triggers for blacks.Play it both at the same time---
as Hermes pointed-if one side is having bad run,the other is making up for it.No progression,
unles you thought of somrthing special/as Compa suggested,1-1-2-3----Do some tests and
you will see.
Quote from: Fripper on Jul 12, 03:19 PM 2010
So you are saying that even if we win on 1 we bet 2 next time? Otherwise I explained it right.
I don't even know what 2up 2down bet method is.
Fripper
Sorry Fripper, I did kind of skim over how to play the leveler bet method.
You bet 1 unit as long as you are winning. When you lose a 1 unit bet, you bet 2 units. If you win at 2 units, you start over with your 1 unit bet because you will be ahead 1 unit. If you lose the 2 unit bet, your next bet is 4 units. If you win the 4 unit bet you will be ahead 1 unit so start over at 1 unit bet. If you lose the 4 unit bet you bet again 4 units. You continue to bet 4 units until you are even or ahead of your previous high bankroll amount. You never bet more than 4 units.
Since most of your wins will be in the 1st 3 bets, you will not have to go into the 4 unit flat bet recovery mode that often. Although, be warned if you are on a losing trend you can go pretty deep in the hole, but with a good bet selection, you should eventually pull back up to even.
All betting methods can lose if they come up against a terrible win/loss ratio.
Being less patient than Hermes, I prefer to use the 1-2-4-8 leveler method. It takes a larger bank, but the wins come a little faster.
Hermes, correct anything that I have said wrong in the above explanation, please.
George
P.S. Fripper, I just looked at your post again and it looks like you're explaining how to bet the leveler for a double dozen or column bet. The one I explained is for a single even chance bet.
Fripper my friend,
The 2up/2down bet method is as follows.
Start by betting 1unit. Continue to bet 1 unit until you lose 2 times in a row. Then bet 2 units. Continue to bet 2 units until you either lose 2 in a row or win 2 in a row. If you win 2 in a row, drop back to betting 1 unit. If you lose 2 in a row, increase to 3 units. Bet 3 units until you either win 2 in a row or lose 2 in a row etc...
This is a variation of the +1 when you lose -1 when you win bet method. 2up/2down is a lot safer since you don't move as quickly up and down the scale.
Of course, you can go to 3up/3down or more if you like. Whatever suits your personality.
I like to play up 2 down 1 when I have a good bank. That is, when I lose I increase my bet by 2 units and when I win I decrease my bet by only 1 unit. I start over at 1 unit anytime I am at +1 net for that series.
They all have their good times and their bad times. If you're winning less than 30% of your bets on the EC's, ain't nothing going to make you a winner. Either take a break or hope you can ride out the downturn until it swings back your way.
Hope this helps,
George
Quote from: GLC on Jul 12, 04:29 PM 2010
Sorry Fripper, I did kind of skim over how to play the leveler bet method.
You bet 1 unit as long as you are winning. When you lose a 1 unit bet, you bet 2 units. If you win at 2 units, you start over with your 1 unit bet because you will be ahead 1 unit. If you lose the 2 unit bet, your next bet is 4 units. If you win the 4 unit bet you will be ahead 1 unit so start over at 1 unit bet. If you lose the 4 unit bet you bet again 4 units. You continue to bet 4 units until you are even or ahead of your previous high bankroll amount. You never bet more than 4 units.
Since most of your wins will be in the 1st 3 bets, you will not have to go into the 4 unit flat bet recovery mode that often. Although, be warned if you are on a losing trend you can go pretty deep in the hole, but with a good bet selection, you should eventually pull back up to even.
All betting methods can lose if they come up against a terrible win/loss ratio.
Being less patient than Hermes, I prefer to use the 1-2-4-8 leveler method. It takes a larger bank, but the wins come a little faster.
Hermes, correct anything that I have said wrong in the above explanation, please.
George
George,
The standard leveling is that we experienced in the second version of my bet.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 12, 02:10 PM 2010
Congratulations Hermes,
I knew it all the time/that's why I sort of been forcing it on my mate Compas/2-nd column/----and now for all --playing it separately/tested 9000 spins,3x100--not even one lost session----
try it and find out.-----Congratulation Compa mate----Didn't I told you 2 years ago when we started this---that I'm smelling money here.............Iboba
yes Sir! :thumbsup: it was all clear ! LOL
Message to You all Posters!
If im not Present (how do we know ,,lol,) No worries. Just post your issues and either myself or IBOBA will give You the replys. He knows Exactly what its about;)
Cheers!
Compa/Iboba,
Please review my spreadsheet. I played it as stated with the original post, but I don't see how it wins. Obviously I'm missing something. There are 800 spins there, all consecutive, so it should be winning, but it's not.
Thanks, Wally
Quote from: atlantis on Jul 12, 03:04 AM 2010
Not a bad idea, George. Please keep us informed of your progress on this variation. Thanks.
A.
A.
Just ran through the spins from Wiesbaden 04-04-2010.
348 spins
73 bets <---- This could be the downfall. A lot of waiting for a trigger to hit.
39 Wins
34 Losses <---- The win/loss ratio still looking pretty good
The longest run of losses was 6 in a row.
So far, which isn't very far with only about 1150 spins and 214 bets placed, there are enough wins 110 to losses 104, that if this were the consistent pattern, any betting method would work; even flatbetting (they would have to be pretty large units to justify the time involved). I'm still waiting for the losing series which is bound to happen sooner or later.
I'll do some more testing later. I've been pretty busy with work lately.
It's really easy to test since all I do is scan through spins until I find a trigger and check to see if the next spin is a win or loss. After a while, I may go back and try a few betting senarios to see if one works better than another.
George
Here's an update. Not looking too good.
2,210 spins
414 bets placed
198 wins <=== that's 47.8% win rate
216 losses <=== that's 52.2% loss rate
Looks like it's pretty close to normal win/loss ratio for random.
Maybe betting more than once per trigger will improve the hit ratio, but then it voids the reasoning behind the bet selection. I know that 2200 spins is miniscule in the overall scheme of things. I'll run it through another 1000 or so and if it doesn't turn around, I'll drop it unless someone can come up with a good reason to continue testing.
G.
Wally G.& George,
Iwill explain only first part of W.G. /7 ZEROS IN 45 SPINS--LOL/
COL-2-SIDE COL-3 SIDE
7- NBNS/no bet next spin same
17- bet black next spin cappuccino time
10- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
29- bet black next spin order one more cappuccino
29- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
8- bet black next spin don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0- lost only half lucky you still dreaming
35- WON ATTEMPT 2 ORDER A BEER NOW
17- bet black next spin but don't get drunk
28- WON ATTEMPT 1 must be patient
0- no bet mode same
36- now you have a drink bet red next spin
1- take some ice WON ATTEMPT 1
10- RELAX YOU TOO
36- you deserve a rest bet red next spin
7- talk some to the girls WON ATTEMPT 1
28- don't fall a sleep other side still in front-wake up
9- slow but sure bet red next spin
30- Won attempt 1
6- bet black next spin
13 Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15- bet black next spin
25- LOS-
17- bet black next spin WON ATTEMPT 2
0- LOS HALF NO BET NEXT SPIN
26- WON ATTEMPT 2
32- relax relax
0-
0-avoided 2 monstrums
35- bet black next spin
0-again- LOS
19- LOS bet red next spin
8- WON ATTEMPT 3 LOS
3- WON ATTEMPT 2
17- bet black next spin
12- LOS bet red next spin/you can notice
that sometimes you
will bet both colours.
17- WON ATTEMPT 2 LOS
4- LOS
21- WON ATTEMPT 3
19- bet red next spin
27- WON ATTEMPT 1
33- bet black next spin
30- LOS
And so on and on--but only on La partage table-half back on zero.
Why I write attempts/in which spin you have a hit/cause thatway-after tested 3000-9000 spins,you can come to conclusion which staking plan is the best to applay.
Now really must go for a swimmming.
PS.SORRY THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN MIXED UP-BLUE AND BLACK...as if I had something to drink---didn't but will now down the beach.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 09:02 AM 2010
COL-2-SIDE COL-3 SIDE
7- NBNS/no bet next spin same
17- bet black next spin cappuccino time
10- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
29- bet black next spin order one more cappuccino
29- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
8- bet black next spin don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0- lost only half lucky you still dreaming
35- WON ATTEMPT 2 ORDER A BEER NOW
17- bet black next spin but don't get drunk
28- WON ATTEMPT 1 must be patient
0- no bet mode same
36- now you have a drink bet red next spin
1- take some ice WON ATTEMPT 1
10- RELAX YOU TOO
36- you deserve a rest bet red next spin
7- talk some to the girls WON ATTEMPT 1
28- don't fall a sleep other side still in front-wake up
9- slow but sure bet red next spin
30- Won attempt 1
6- bet black next spin
13 Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15- bet black next spin
25- LOS-
17- bet black next spin WON ATTEMPT 2
0- LOS HALF NO BET NEXT SPIN
26- WON ATTEMPT 2
32- relax relax
0-
0-avoided 2 monstrums
35- bet black next spin
0-again- LOS
19- LOS bet red next spin
8- WON ATTEMPT 3 LOST
3- WON ATTEMPT 2
17- bet black next spin
12- LOS bet red next spin/you can notice
that sometimes you
will bet both colours.
17- WON ATTEMPT 2 LOST
4- LOST
21- WON ATTEMPT 3
19- bet red next spin
27- WON ATTEMPT 1
33- bet black next spin
30- LOST
Hi Iboba - I like that; I notice after a WIN on either side you WAIT for next spin even if the winning number is a KEY to continue play... eg the first 29 indicates bet B. 29 repeated so you WON. Instead of betting B again straight away you sat out a spin on that side...
I had not been playing it like that - but your way is much better, I think!
I like the idea of having separate progression for each SIDE (or column) and I think the 2u-2d might work here.
Thanks.
A.
I consider past spin/w-L/PAST--not connected any longer as possible trigger.
Now when you test about 3000 spins the way it is shown,you will probably
get the idea about each individual staking plan.I personally prefer Compas/no risk/
way as either you win in the first attempt 1 unit--or lose in the fourth attempt 1 unit---
and since it is 10/1 odds/you will win 10 on the first attempt,against losing 1 on the fourth
attempt.And you would have to lose twice 7 units to lose session of 100 spins.
Have tested 9000 spins and its just incredible.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 11:09 AM 2010
I consider past spin/w-L/PAST--not connected any longer as possible trigger.
Now when you test about 3000 spins the way it is shown,you will probably
get the idea about each individual staking plan.I personally prefer Compas/no risk/
way as either you win in the first attempt 1 unit--or lose in the fourth attempt 1 unit---
and since it is 10/1 odds/you will win 10 on the first attempt,against losing 1 on the fourth
attempt.And you would have to lose twice 7 units to lose session of 100 spins.
Have tested 9000 spins and its just incredible.
OK. Great - then I will try it no-risk way too.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jul 13, 11:17 AM 2010
OK. Great - then I will try it no-risk way too.
A.
Except maded typo error--its about 10/3 --1st against 4th attempt.
Thank you Iboba for showing us how to play.
I made same mistake as Atlantis - playing on same trigger that has just won.
I have some questions about your example:
Why you didn't use chance to play on trigger number 32 (one spin before two 0 monsters)?
Since when is number 19 trigger?
Iboba are you from Croatia? If you are:
Pozdrav iz Srbije! Ko ne voli pice, zene i kocku i nije sa Balkana! ;D
Quote from: Paja on Jul 13, 11:40 AM 2010
Thank you Iboba for showing us how to play.
I made same mistake as Atlantis - playing on same trigger that has just won.
I have some questions about your example:
Why you didn't use chance to play on trigger number 32 (one spin before two 0 monsters)?
Since when is number 19 trigger?
Iboba are you from Croatia? If you are:
Pozdrav iz Srbije! Ko ne voli pice, zene I kocku I nije sa Balkana! ;D
I jumped 32 by mistake/over look it and 19 have seen as 18---
Years son years--Yes from Rijeka./
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 09:02 AM 2010
Wally G.& George,
Iwill explain only first part of W.G. /7 ZEROS IN 45 SPINS--LOL/
COL-2-SIDE COL-3 SIDE
7- NBNS/no bet next spin same
17- bet black next spin cappuccino time
10- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
29- bet black next spin order one more cappuccino
29- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
8- bet black next spin don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0- lost only half lucky you still dreaming
35- WON ATTEMPT 2 ORDER A BEER NOW
17- bet black next spin but don't get drunk
28- WON ATTEMPT 1 must be patient
0- no bet mode same
36- now you have a drink bet red next spin
1- take some ice WON ATTEMPT 1
10- RELAX YOU TOO
36- you deserve a rest bet red next spin
7- talk some to the girls WON ATTEMPT 1
28- don't fall a sleep other side still in front-wake up
9- slow but sure bet red next spin
30- Won attempt 1
6- bet black next spin
13 Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15- bet black next spin
25- LOS-
17- bet black next spin WON ATTEMPT 2
0- LOS HALF NO BET NEXT SPIN
26- WON ATTEMPT 2
32- bet red next spin relax
0- L
0- L
35- L
0-again- LOS--7 units
19-
8- bet black next spin
3- los
17- WON ATTEMPT 2
12- bet red next spin/you can notice
that sometimes you
will bet both colours.
17- bet black next spin LOS
4- WON ATTEMPT 1 LOS
21- WON ATTEMPT 3
19-
27- bet red next spin
33- LOS
30- WON ATTEMPT 2
And so on and on--but only on La partage table-half back on zero.
Why I write attempts/in which spin you have a hit/cause thatway-after tested 3000-9000 spins,you can come to conclusion which staking plan is the best to applay.
Now really must go for a swimmming.
PS.SORRY THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN MIXED UP-BLUE AND BLACK...as if I had something to drink---didn't but will now down the beach.
Quote from: Paja on Jul 13, 11:40 AM 2010
Thank you Iboba for showing us how to play.
I made same mistake as Atlantis - playing on same trigger that has just won.
I have some questions about your example:
Why you didn't use chance to play on trigger number 32 (one spin before two 0 monsters)?
Since when is number 19 trigger?
Iboba are you from Croatia? If you are:
Pozdrav iz Srbije! Ko ne voli pice, zene I kocku I nije sa Balkana! ;D
Maybe because 32 isn't a trigger? =)
3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = Triggers for RED. Hits after 4 spins Max
6.15.24.33 = Triggers for BLACK. Hits after 4 spins Max
Or are we using some more triggers now?
No NEW Triggers, at least NOT in MY Method;)
Cheers!
Hi,
I still like the idea of using Compa's 3rd column only numbers for R/B playing for one spin only and
using "10 bet cycle" method...
Session Casino Wiesbaden 12 JUL 2010; Table 3 (yesterday)
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,12,No,0,0,0,0,500,
2,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
3,4,No,0,0,0,0,501,
4,17,No,0,0,0,0,501,
5,28,No,0,0,0,0,501,
6,19,No,0,0,0,0,501,
7,13,No,0,0,0,0,501,
8,13,No,0,0,0,0,501,
9,1,No,0,0,0,0,501,
10,21,No,0,0,0,0,501,
11,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
12,24,No,0,0,0,0,502,
13,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
14,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
15,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
16,7,No,0,0,0,0,501,
17,9,No,0,0,0,0,501,
18,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
19,15,No,0,0,0,0,500,
20,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Black
21,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Red
22,35,No,0,0,0,0,500,
23,5,No,0,0,0,0,500,
24,34,No,0,0,0,0,500,
25,18,No,0,0,0,0,500,
26,25,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
27,31,No,0,0,0,0,501,
28,36,No,0,0,0,0,501,
29,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,500.5,1 : Red *500.5 - Stay at 1u
30,6,No,0,0,0,0,500.5,
31,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Black
32,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498.5,1 : Red
33,12,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
34,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Red
35,16,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
36,33,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
37,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,496.5,1 : Black
38,32,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
39,22,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
40,24,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
41,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,497.5,1 : Black
42,10,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
43,20,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
44,16,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
45,30,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
46,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,496.5,1 : Red
47,12,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
48,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,497.5,1 : Red
49,7,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
50,2,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
51,21,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
52,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,498.5,1 : Red
53,7,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
54,34,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
55,13,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
56,30,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
57,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,497.5,1 : Red
58,25,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
59,29,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
60,23,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
61,22,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
62,1,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
63,24,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
64,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,498.5,1 : Black *498.5 - Incr to 2u
65,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,500.5,2 : Black
66,23,No,0,0,0,0,500.5,
67,7,No,0,0,0,0,500.5,
68,3,No,0,0,0,0,500.5,
69,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498.5,2 : Red
70,35,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
71,21,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
72,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496.5,2 : Red
73,7,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
74,2,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
75,32,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
76,25,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
77,34,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
78,0,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
79,24,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
80,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494.5,2 : Black
81,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,496.5,2 : Red
82,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498.5,2 : Red
83,10,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
84,2,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
85,19,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
86,13,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
87,35,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
88,28,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
89,14,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
90,6,No,0,0,0,0,498.5,
91,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496.5,2 : Black
92,28,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
93,25,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
94,3,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
95,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494.5,2 : Red
96,32,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
97,19,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
98,6,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
99,8,Bet,2,4,-2,2,496.5,2 : Black
100,26,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
101,9,No,0,0,0,0,496.5,
102,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494.5,2 : Red *494.5 - Incr to 3u
103,27,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
104,34,Bet,3,6,-3,3,497.5,3 : Red
105,1,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
106,33,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
107,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494.5,3 : Black
108,19,Bet,3,6,-3,3,497.5,3 : Red
109,27,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
110,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500.5,3 : Red
111,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497.5,3 : Red
112,14,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
113,17,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
114,6,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
115,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494.5,3 : Black
116,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,497.5,3 : Red
117,11,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494.5,3 : Red
118,8,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
119,31,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
120,12,No,0,0,0,0,494.5,
121,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,497.5,3 : Red
122,11,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
123,7,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
124,32,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
125,20,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
126,3,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
127,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500.5,3 : Red - 500.5 - Stay at 3u
128,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497.5,3 : Red
129,4,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
130,28,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
131,9,No,0,0,0,0,497.5,
132,27,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500.5,3 : Red
133,6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497.5,3 : Red
134,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494.5,3 : Black
135,27,Bet,3,6,-3,3,497.5,3 : Red
136,32,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500.5,3 : Red
137,8,No,0,0,0,0,500.5,
138,18,No,0,0,0,0,500.5,
139,27,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503.5,3 : Red
140,21,Bet,3,6,-3,3,506.5,3 : Red
141,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,509.5,3 : Red
142,15,No,0,0,0,0,509.5,
143,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,512.5,3 : Black *512.5 - Decr to 1u
144,3,No,0,0,0,0,512.5,
145,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Red
146,7,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
147,35,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
148,29,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
149,5,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
150,8,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
151,3,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
152,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Red
153,6,No,0,0,0,0,512.5,
154,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Black
155,26,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
156,22,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
157,22,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
158,20,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
159,32,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
160,23,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
161,23,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
162,16,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
163,21,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
164,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Red
165,29,No,0,0,0,0,512.5,
166,9,No,0,0,0,0,512.5,
167,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Red
168,24,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
169,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510.5,1 : Black
170,23,No,0,0,0,0,510.5,
171,18,No,0,0,0,0,510.5,
172,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
173,31,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
174,24,No,0,0,0,0,511.5,
175,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510.5,1 : Black
176,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
177,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Red *512.5 - Stay at 1u
178,3,No,0,0,0,0,512.5,
179,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513.5,1 : Red
180,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,513,1 : Red
181,29,No,0,0,0,0,513,
182,13,No,0,0,0,0,513,
183,27,No,0,0,0,0,513,
184,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Red
185,4,No,0,0,0,0,512,
186,26,No,0,0,0,0,512,
187,14,No,0,0,0,0,512,
188,2,No,0,0,0,0,512,
189,9,No,0,0,0,0,512,
190,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Red
191,5,No,0,0,0,0,513,
192,28,No,0,0,0,0,513,
193,1,No,0,0,0,0,513,
194,28,No,0,0,0,0,513,
195,19,No,0,0,0,0,513,
196,1,No,0,0,0,0,513,
197,14,No,0,0,0,0,513,
198,8,No,0,0,0,0,513,
199,10,No,0,0,0,0,513,
200,31,No,0,0,0,0,513,
201,5,No,0,0,0,0,513,
202,24,No,0,0,0,0,513,
203,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black
204,19,No,0,0,0,0,512,
205,1,No,0,0,0,0,512,
206,6,No,0,0,0,0,512,
207,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Black
208,9,No,0,0,0,0,513,
209,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Red
210,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Black
211,3,No,0,0,0,0,511,
212,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512,1 : Red
213,12,No,0,0,0,0,512,
214,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Red *511 - Incr to 2u
215,23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,509,2 : Black
216,8,No,0,0,0,0,509,
217,33,No,0,0,0,0,509,
218,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,511,2 : Black
219,24,No,0,0,0,0,511,
220,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,509,2 : Black
221,22,No,0,0,0,0,509,
222,15,No,0,0,0,0,509,
223,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Black
224,33,No,0,0,0,0,507,
225,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,509,2 : Black
226,11,No,0,0,0,0,509,
227,26,No,0,0,0,0,509,
228,7,No,0,0,0,0,509,
229,19,No,0,0,0,0,509,
230,24,No,0,0,0,0,509,
231,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,511,2 : Black
232,21,No,0,0,0,0,511,
233,7,Bet,2,4,-2,2,513,2 : Red
234,25,No,0,0,0,0,513,
235,11,No,0,0,0,0,513,
236,24,No,0,0,0,0,513,
237,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,511,2 : Black
238,34,Bet,2,4,-2,2,513,2 : Red
239,8,No,0,0,0,0,513,
240,24,No,0,0,0,0,513,
241,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,511,2 : Black *511 - Stay at 2u
242,23,No,0,0,0,0,511,
243,21,No,0,0,0,0,511,
244,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,513,2 : Red
245,29,No,0,0,0,0,513,
246,23,No,0,0,0,0,513,
247,9,No,0,0,0,0,513,
248,1,Bet,2,4,-2,2,515,2 : Red
249,12,No,0,0,0,0,515,
250,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Red
251,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,511,2 : Black
252,29,No,0,0,0,0,511,
253,3,No,0,0,0,0,511,
254,34,Bet,2,4,-2,2,513,2 : Red
255,2,No,0,0,0,0,513,
256,2,No,0,0,0,0,513,
257,16,No,0,0,0,0,513,
258,34,No,0,0,0,0,513,
259,31,No,0,0,0,0,513,
260,16,No,0,0,0,0,513,
261,14,No,0,0,0,0,513,
262,30,No,0,0,0,0,513,
263,34,Bet,2,4,-2,2,515,2 : Red
264,25,No,0,0,0,0,515,
265,20,No,0,0,0,0,515,
266,2,No,0,0,0,0,515,
267,29,No,0,0,0,0,515,
268,34,No,0,0,0,0,515,
269,20,No,0,0,0,0,515,
270,7,No,0,0,0,0,515,
271,27,No,0,0,0,0,515,
272,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Red
273,12,No,0,0,0,0,513,
274,5,Bet,2,4,-2,2,515,2 : Red
275,23,No,0,0,0,0,515,
276,17,No,0,0,0,0,515,
277,22,No,0,0,0,0,515,
278,32,No,0,0,0,0,515,
279,29,No,0,0,0,0,515,
280,15,No,0,0,0,0,515,
281,15,Bet,2,4,-2,2,517,2 : Black
282,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,519,2 : Black *519 - Decr to 1u
283,36,No,0,0,0,0,519,
284,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,520,1 : Red
285,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,519,1 : Red
286,32,No,0,0,0,0,519,
287,26,No,0,0,0,0,519,
288,18,No,0,0,0,0,519,
289,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,520,1 : Red
290,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,521,1 : Red
291,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,522,1 : Red
292,18,No,0,0,0,0,522,
293,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,523,1 : Red
294,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,522,1 : Red
295,21,No,0,0,0,0,522,
296,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : Red
297,1,No,0,0,0,0,521,
298,28,No,0,0,0,0,521,
299,15,No,0,0,0,0,521,
300,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,520,1 : Black
301,35,No,0,0,0,0,520,
302,35,No,0,0,0,0,520,
303,14,No,0,0,0,0,520,
304,11,No,0,0,0,0,520,
305,0,No,0,0,0,0,520,
306,25,No,0,0,0,0,520,
307,13,No,0,0,0,0,520,
308,26,No,0,0,0,0,520,
309,31,No,0,0,0,0,520,
310,24,No,0,0,0,0,520,
311,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,519,1 : Black *519 - Stay at 1u
312,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,520,1 : Red
313,1,No,0,0,0,0,520,
314,21,No,0,0,0,0,520,
315,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,519,1 : Red
316,23,No,0,0,0,0,519,
317,7,No,0,0,0,0,519,
318,16,No,0,0,0,0,519,
319,20,No,0,0,0,0,519,
320,13,No,0,0,0,0,519,
321,27,No,0,0,0,0,519,
322,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,518,1 : Red
323,22,No,0,0,0,0,518,
324,9,No,0,0,0,0,518,
325,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Red
326,22,No,0,0,0,0,517,
327,32,No,0,0,0,0,517,
328,29,No,0,0,0,0,517,
329,18,No,0,0,0,0,517,
330,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red
331,6,No,0,0,0,0,516,
332,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Black
333,34,No,0,0,0,0,517,
334,13,No,0,0,0,0,517,
335,21,No,0,0,0,0,517,
336,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,518,1 : Red
337,27,No,0,0,0,0,518,
338,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,519,1 : Red
339,9,No,0,0,0,0,519,
340,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,518,1 : Red
341,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Black *517 - Incr to 2u
342,34,Bet,2,4,-2,2,519,2 : Red
343,13,No,0,0,0,0,519,
344,31,No,0,0,0,0,519,
345,34,No,0,0,0,0,519,
346,18,No,0,0,0,0,519,
347,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,517,2 : Red
348,22,No,0,0,0,0,517,
349,22,No,0,0,0,0,517,
350,14,No,0,0,0,0,517,
351,19,No,0,0,0,0,517,
352,35,No,0,0,0,0,517,
353,7,No,0,0,0,0,517,
354,36,No,0,0,0,0,517,
355,1,Bet,2,4,-2,2,519,2 : Red
356,33,No,0,0,0,0,519,
357,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,517,2 : Black
358,16,Bet,2,4,-2,2,519,2 : Red
359,10,No,0,0,0,0,519,
360,22,No,0,0,0,0,519,
361,1,No,0,0,0,0,519,
362,27,No,0,0,0,0,519,
363,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,517,2 : Red
364,27,No,0,0,0,0,517,
365,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,515,2 : Red
366,36,No,0,0,0,0,515,
367,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Red
368,16,No,0,0,0,0,513,
369,31,No,0,0,0,0,513,
370,26,No,0,0,0,0,513,
371,10,No,0,0,0,0,513,
372,34,No,0,0,0,0,513,
373,22,No,0,0,0,0,513,
374,22,No,0,0,0,0,513,
375,5,No,0,0,0,0,513,
376,35,No,0,0,0,0,513,
377,13,No,0,0,0,0,513,
378,14,No,0,0,0,0,513,
379,18,No,0,0,0,0,513,
380,25,Bet,2,4,-2,2,515,2 : Red
381,26,No,0,0,0,0,515,
382,17,No,0,0,0,0,515,
383,15,No,0,0,0,0,515,
384,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Black *513 - Incr to 3u
385,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,516,3 : Red
386,11,No,0,0,0,0,516,
387,14,No,0,0,0,0,516,
388,31,No,0,0,0,0,516,
389,32,No,0,0,0,0,516,
390,16,No,0,0,0,0,516,
391,24,No,0,0,0,0,516,
392,23,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,513,3 : Black
393,12,No,0,0,0,0,513,
394,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,510,3 : Red
395,18,No,0,0,0,0,510,
396,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,513,3 : Red
397,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,516,3 : Red
398,33,No,0,0,0,0,516,
399,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,513,3 : Black
400,10,No,0,0,0,0,513,
401,18,No,0,0,0,0,513,
402,17,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,510,3 : Red
403,25,No,0,0,0,0,510,
404,31,No,0,0,0,0,510,
405,24,No,0,0,0,0,510,
406,17,Bet,3,6,-3,3,513,3 : Black
407,9,No,0,0,0,0,513,
408,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,516,3 : Red
409,28,No,0,0,0,0,516,
410,17,No,0,0,0,0,516,
411,34,No,0,0,0,0,516,
412,36,No,0,0,0,0,516,
413,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,519,3 : Red *519 - Stay at 3u
414,21,No,0,0,0,0,519,
415,0,Bet,3,0,-1.5,-1.5,517.5,3 : Red
416,11,No,0,0,0,0,517.5,
417,24,No,0,0,0,0,517.5,
418,10,Bet,3,6,-3,3,520.5,3 : Black
419,7,No,0,0,0,0,520.5,
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No More numbers
+20.5 in 419 spins.
Max drawdown = 13
Highest bet = 3
Layout won = 67; Layout lost = 65
Session High = 23 (spin# 293)
Assess bank after every 10 BETS...
1) If down on previous 10 bet result, then increase stake by 1u for next 10 bets.
2) If level with highest ever 10 bet result, then continue at same unit stake for next 10 bets.
3) If ahead of highest ever 10 bet result, then reduce to 1u for next 10 bets
A.
Iboba,
Wanted to say thanks for spending time going through the explanation. I was playing the strategy completely wrong. Always good when someone is willing to do a blow by blow of your example. This is a perfect example.
I also wanted to say that I really enjoyed your comments and was laughing out loud on a few.
Again, a BIG thanks. You are one of the reasons this forum is so good.
Best, Wally
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 09:02 AM 2010
Wally G.& George,
Iwill explain only first part of W.G. /7 ZEROS IN 45 SPINS--LOL/
COL-2-SIDE COL-3 SIDE
7- NBNS/no bet next spin same
17- bet black next spin cappuccino time
10- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
29- bet black next spin order one more cappuccino
29- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
8- bet black next spin don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0- lost only half lucky you still dreaming
35- WON ATTEMPT 2 ORDER A BEER NOW
17- bet black next spin but don't get drunk
28- WON ATTEMPT 1 must be patient
0- no bet mode same
36- now you have a drink bet red next spin
1- take some ice WON ATTEMPT 1
10- RELAX YOU TOO
36- you deserve a rest bet red next spin
7- talk some to the girls WON ATTEMPT 1
28- don't fall a sleep other side still in front-wake up
9- slow but sure bet red next spin
30- Won attempt 1
6- bet black next spin
13 Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15- bet black next spin
25- LOS-
17- bet black next spin WON ATTEMPT 2
0- LOS HALF NO BET NEXT SPIN
26- WON ATTEMPT 2
32- relax relax
0-
0-avoided 2 monstrums
35- bet black next spin
0-again- LOS
19- LOS bet red next spin
8- WON ATTEMPT 3 LOS
3- WON ATTEMPT 2
17- bet black next spin
12- LOS bet red next spin/you can notice
that sometimes you
will bet both colours.
17- WON ATTEMPT 2 LOS
4- LOS
21- WON ATTEMPT 3
19- bet red next spin
27- WON ATTEMPT 1
33- bet black next spin
30- LOS
And so on and on--but only on La partage table-half back on zero.
Why I write attempts/in which spin you have a hit/cause thatway-after tested 3000-9000 spins,you can come to conclusion which staking plan is the best to applay.
Now really must go for a swimmming.
PS.SORRY THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN MIXED UP-BLUE AND BLACK...as if I had something to drink---didn't but will now down the beach.
THANKS IBOBA AND THANKS TO COMPA,YOUR WORK IS VERY APRECIATED WARRIOR.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 12, 04:26 PM 2010
You bet exactly as Compa explained---blacks in the third column as a triggers for blacks,---reds in the second column for the triggers for reds---reds in the third column for the triggers for reds,and blacks in the second columns as a triggers for blacks.Play it both at the same time---
hi guys... following this thread with a lot of interested....
however are the trigger as above or do we just follow compa's original one and ignore the 3rd column blacks and 2 column reds
cheers
hamsup
I had best results with this variation of the bet:
Compa's basic bet reversed + playing it also with 2nd column as F lat ino/Iboba suggested.
RED numbers from 2nd and 3rd column are triggers for BLACK.
BLACK numbers from 2nd and 3rd column are triggers for RED.
Progression 1-1-2-3.
Playing with Le Partage rule.
Played like Iboba - if a winning number is in the same time a new trigger, don't play it, wait for next. On the other hand, i think Compa uses every trigger as chance to bet.
30x100 spins test:
1. +16
2. +12
3. +12
4. +9
5. +6
6. -2
7. +3
8. +5
9. -9
10. +10,5
11. -21
12. +0
13. +2,5
14. +14,5
15. -2,5
16. +8
17. -3,5
18. +6,5
19. +5
20. +6,5
21. +6
22. +3,5
23. +8
24. -30
25. +10,5
26. +3,5
27. +5,5
28. -4
29. +11
30. -7,5
22 winning sessions and 8 losing sessions.
Overall profit +85 units.
How can we make it 29/30?
I will take care of that! Let me get back to You..
Cheers!
Man, I LOVE that answer !!!!!!
Quote from: Compa on Jul 14, 11:55 AM 2010
I will take care of that! Let me get back to You..
Quote from: Compa on Jul 14, 11:55 AM 2010
I will take care of that! Let me get back to You..
Cheers!
Compa mate,
take over pl.--here it is 37-8 celz.--and I must have a rest with some cold
beer and hot girlsLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLL/
Compa and Flatino as much as I admire your knowledge about the game, I even more admire your will, patience and kindness to help out fellow members. :thumbsup:
In the meantime I'll run all 30 sessions again, this time writing WL registry for each session to see could it be converted to flat betting. Maybe waiting for some L's before betting, maybe playing opposite, we'll see.
Quote from: Paja on Jul 14, 02:54 PM 2010
Compa and F_LAT_INO as much as I admire your knowledge about the game, I even more admire your will, patience and kindness to help out fellow members. :thumbsup:
In the meantime I'll run all 30 sessions again, this time writing WL registry for each session to see could it be converted to flat betting. Maybe waiting for some L's before betting, maybe playing opposite, we'll see.
Thats why we are here.
Totally agree with both of you latest Posts Mate. LOL :D
Ok mates. So when we bet R/B i assume many of You are aware of that this EC-combination is a Strong Pattern-related Bet also.
So even if the importance of Column 3 is mainly the Issue here, we can and should not, ignore the returning Patterns that frequently surrounds this particular concept we are dealing with.
There are some particular patterns i want You all to be aware of when betting R/B.
These are:
RBR
RR B
RR BB = The Terrible Twos
RRR B
RRRRR
RRR BBB
RRRRRR = Trend
(And all Bets here reversed of course)
These Patterns are all returning
but unpredictable.(thats why we cant estimate their entry or departure and exploit them effectively)
However, this is not the issue. But to observe these Patterns, get to know them and estimate them in relation to what is potentially happening with our PrimeBet. And whether to bet BLACK on a RED Trigger and Vice Versa.
Now, it will Still be a "Guess" though. But with enough experience and practice one will develop the timing when to lay down the Bet and not.
The most difficult situations are Trends. Because a Trend can break at any Bet any time. But it can as we all have seen, last "forever". So what we Do? Same thing. Observe the patterns and estimate against the PrimeBet.
Thats it for now. Ill get back with more Details asap.
Cheers!
Compa/ Iboba
Great to see you guys putting some excellent stuff here. You guys never cease to amaze me. I am bit busy with work, however, when I have some free time, I'd like to create trackers, so that testing becomes easier.
wish u all the best. . .
ozshabs
Hey Oz! Long time no see mate. Good to hear from You. Thought you quit Roulette for Baccarat..lol
Cheers!
Good on you the greatest of them all.
Me back to swimming.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 13, 09:02 AM 2010
Wally G.& George,
Iwill explain only first part of W.G. /7 ZEROS IN 45 SPINS--LoL/
COL-2-SIDE COL-3 SIDE
7- NBNS/no bet next spin same
17- bet black next spin cappuccino time
10- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
29- bet black next spin order one more cappuccino
29- WON-ATTEMPT 1 SAME
8- bet black next spin don't drink no more,you might get poisoned
0- lost only half lucky you still dreaming
35- WON ATTEMPT 2 ORDER A BEER NOW
17- bet black next spin but don't get drunk
28- WON ATTEMPT 1 must be patient
0- no bet mode same
36- now you have a drink bet red next spin
1- take some ice WON ATTEMPT 1
10- RELAX YOU TOO
36- you deserve a rest bet red next spin
7- talk some to the girls WON ATTEMPT 1
28- don't fall a sleep other side still in front-wake up
9- slow but sure bet red next spin
30- Won attempt 1
6- bet black next spin
13 Won attempt 1
28-
0-
15- bet black next spin
25- LOS-
17- bet black next spin WON ATTEMPT 2
0- LOS HALF NO BET NEXT SPIN
26- WON ATTEMPT 2
32- relax relax
0-
0-avoided 2 monstrums
35- bet black next spin
0-again- LOS
19- LOS bet red next spin
8- WON ATTEMPT 3 LOS
3- WON ATTEMPT 2
17- bet black next spin
12- LOS bet red next spin/you can notice
that sometimes you
will bet both colours.
17- WON ATTEMPT 2 LOS
4- LOS
21- WON ATTEMPT 3
19- bet red next spin
27- WON ATTEMPT 1
33- bet black next spin
30- LOS
And so on and on--but only on La partage table-half back on zero.
Why I write attempts/in which spin you have a hit/cause thatway-after tested 3000-9000 spins,you can come to conclusion which staking plan is the best to applay.
Now really must go for a swimmming.
PS.SORRY THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN MIXED UP-BLUE AND BLACK...as if I had something to drink---didn't but will now down the beach.
DO you think this would work with JORDANS mm. thread bet light bet heavy.
I just came fresh from Las Vegas and I am sorry because the Holy Grail didn't worked in LV, probably too hot there (122 - 125 F = 51 - 53 C!) The results were worse than random! I didn't play it only checked on boards. Playing it would be suicide.
Forget that numbers if you want to be a winner but 4x4 Drive is a winner even at 60 degree Celsius! Could be added to the excellent systems like Diodoro and Rain Drop.
Cheers Hermes
This is NOT for American Roulette!! EU ONLY mate. And im Glad You played Virtual;)
Cheers!
Hi Hermes,
Thought about you yeserday,thinking whether you maybe tried
this method---WHICH IS NOT COMPLETED AS YET--
so next time you go there it will be completed.
It makes no big difference Euro or US roulette just one zero different. The problem is that the numbers are not coming as we wish. The only system which works is 4x4 drive. I won $400 with it even some Paki female bitcs dealer span in 40 spins 7 zeros! They are trained to screw up random by spinning the ball in the same direction as the wheel and with 2-3 rotations only before ball is in pocket. I saw it.
Hermes
O yes it makes difference,as am playing now in SLOVENIA/60km. from my place/
on real French table --2 dealers--when zero spins you leave your stakes for the
next spin,but not mentioned method,but RWR.
Quote from: Hermes on Jul 30, 10:18 AM 2010
It makes no big difference Euro or US roulette just one zero different. The problem is that the numbers are not coming as we wish. The only system which works is 4x4 drive. I won $400 with it even some Paki female bitcs dealer span in 40 spins 7 zeros! They are trained to screw up random by spinning the ball in the same direction as the wheel and with 2-3 rotations only before ball is in pocket. I saw it.
Hermes
Its a BIG Difference between the EU and the US Wheel layout. Not just the 00.
But i dont care. And dont want no more argumentation in my Section wheteher something works or not. Read the RULES. Take it or leave it.
Over and out,
Cheers!
Compa mate,
These guys never even seen French roulette let alone play it.
Repeat----There is not ZERO on EC bets---when it spins,
your stakes are staying for the next bet.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 01, 03:18 PM 2010
Compa mate,
These guys never even seen French roulette let alone play it.
Repeat----There is not ZERO on EC bets---when it spins,
your stakes are staying for the next bet.
SO IGUESS WE SHOULD NEVER PLAY UNLESS THERE IS EN PRISON RIGHT IBOBA?. W.
Never EC bets.
Finally back from vacation! It was fun but I missed stubborn old friend roulette from time to time. ;)
I must admit that i expected more interest/posts from people in this great thread. :(
Oh well, I'm still very interested to learn and experiment and my RX and notebook (pen and paper type) are calling.
Quote from: Compa on Jul 14, 05:07 PM 2010
Totally agree with both of you latest Posts Mate. LoL :D
Ok mates. So when we bet R/B I assume many of You are aware of that this EC-combination is a Strong Pattern-related Bet also.
So even if the importance of Column 3 is mainly the Issue here, we can and should not, ignore the returning Patterns that frequently surrounds this particular concept we are dealing with.
There are some particular patterns I want You all to be aware of when betting R/B.
These are:
RBR
RR B
RR BB = The Terrible Twos
RRR B
RRRRR
RRR BBB
RRRRRR = Trend
(And all Bets here reversed of course)
These Patterns are all returning
but unpredictable.(that's why we can't estimate their entry or departure and exploit them effectively)
However, this is not the issue. But to observe these Patterns, get to know them and estimate them in relation to what is potentially happening with our PrimeBet. And whether to bet BLACK on a RED Trigger and Vice Versa.
Now, it will Still be a "Guess" though. But with enough experience and practice one will develop the timing when to lay down the Bet and not.
The most difficult situations are Trends. Because a Trend can break at any Bet any time. But it can as we all have seen, last "forever". So what we Do? Same thing. Observe the patterns and estimate against the PrimeBet.
that's it for now. Ill get back with more Details asap.
Cheers!
This is very interesting post Compa.
I always thought that there are only 3 types of EC patterns
RBR - zig-zag
RRR - trend (3+ of the same was a definition of trend for me)
RRBB - terrible twos
so RRB is two and a half
RRRB - triplet and a half/single
RRRBBB - (not so) terrible triplets
This is more accurate pattern observing, which i will adopt in the future but one thing confuses me:
Why RRRRRR is a trend and RRRRR isn't?
Quote from: Fripper on Jul 08, 07:04 AM 2010
Why are you writing on another forum:
"So when we see any Number in Figure 3 Or 9, bet BLACK. If hit on B on 1st spin, bet RED."
And here:
"3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = Triggers for RED. Hits after 4 spins Max"
This is the opposite, which one shall we use?
I tested this with my own tweak. If a trigger comes you bet the opposite colour, if win, wait for a new trigger. But if lose high your bet like this: 1,2,4,8 (martingle). But if the next number also is a lost and is one of your triggers. Stop there and wait for another trigger.
Example:
17 B
18 R Trigger, bet black 1 unit
7 R Lost, 2 unit on black
3 R lost (trigger) so now you don't continue. You wait for another trigger and continue with the next bet in the progression.
23 R
22 B
11 B
7 R
3 R trigger, bet 4 on black
24 B trigger, bet 1 on red
36 R trigger, bet 1 on Black
21 R (trigger) so now you don't continue. You wait for another trigger and continue with the next bet in the progression.
5 R
0
30 R trigger, bet 2 unit on black
28 B
31 B
3 R trigger, 1 on black
32 R lost
33 B
Yeah you get the idea.
If you should lose the 8 unit bet. You wait until another trigger and start betting 2,4,8,16 until you are in profit again.
I lost 2 or 3 times the 1,2,4,8 bets. And lost the 2,4,6,8 one time in 899 spins.
[box title=TitleBox][box title=TitleBox]Bankroll attached[/box][/box]
Fripper
Hi Fripper
Is your attachment for the Red/Black system or the Ball_24?
Hi. It is the red/black system, the ball_24 just is there but I don't use it. I never use those systems who are in there.
The bankroll seems nice now when I look at it, maybe I will give it another test =)
Fripper
For me there are 3 basic bets when dealing with EC.
LD - last decision or follow the last result
OLD - opposite of the last decision
DBL - decision before last or betting on penultimate result
Each one has it strong side and weak spot depending of pattern.
If we simplify:
LD profits on trends, loses on zig-zag, choppy results and survives on terrible twos
OLD profits on zig-zags, loses on trends and survives on terrible twos
DBL profits on trends and zig-zags and loses on terrible twos
Tested on Compa's more complex patterns it looks like this:
LD OLD DBL
RBR -2 +2 +1
RRB 0 0 -1
RRBB +1 -1 -2
RRRB +1 -1 0
RRRRR +4 -4 +3
RRRBBB +3 -3 0
RRRRRR +5 -5 +4
LD +12 , 5 won patterns, 1 lost pattern, 1 tie
OLD -12, 1 won pattern, 5 lost, 1 tie
DBL +5, 3 won patterns, 2 lost, 2 tie
Is any of these 3 bets better than other 2?
LD looks best judging by results but we all know that it's not long run winner
DBL is somewhere between two extremes, but is it in any way superior?
Hey Paja. This is an old Myth. That betting either that or this is a source to constant win on the EC:s. Its just a big illusion mate. Its MUCH more complex than this.
The method i have presented previously is the ONLY way (very provocating statement, yes)
to win consistently with RED/BLACK.
I have not managed to connect H/L - E/O to this so far, more than theoretically. Which we dont need here.
Cheers!
Quote from: Compa on Aug 04, 08:00 PM 2010
Hey Paja. This is an old Myth. That betting either that or this is a source to constant win on the EC:s. Its just a big illusion mate. Its MUCH more complex than this.
The method I have presented previously is the ONLY way (very provocating statement, yes)
to win consistently with RED/BLACK.
I have not managed to connect H/L - E/O to this so far, more than theoretically. Which we don't need here.
Cheers!
I thought as much. Then right timing when to bet, when not to bet and when to bet opposite is key here.
If i understand right observing and betting on patterns of reds and blacks isn't a winning way because everything is anytime possible to happen.
Is it possible then that if we observe wins and losses of certain bet ("primebet') we will not see some patterns at all or more likely will see them so rarely that we can bet against them?
As for choosing reds and blacks only, they are same as H/L and O/E on basic level. I guess that they act different only by observing them in relation with columns, because of 8:4 relation in 2nd and 3rd column.
Quote from: Compa on Aug 04, 08:00 PM 2010
Hey Paja. This is an old Myth. That betting either that or this is a source to constant win on the EC:s. Its just a big illusion mate. Its MUCH more complex than this.
The method I have presented previously is the ONLY way (very provocating statement, yes)
to win consistently with RED/BLACK.
I have not managed to connect H/L - E/O to this so far, more than theoretically. Which we don't need here.
Cheers!
thanks Compa !
I've really enjoyed reading this Thread ;D
I don't understand how this "works", but it does ! :o
I'm now using this as my method for R/B :thumbsup:
Any progress on H/L or E/O ?
Cheers bud :thumbsup:
Hey Compa, this system seems to work on RNG too.
I'm wrong ?
In attach my first test based on real Spins @ RNG roulette.
I have used a fibonacci progression and sometimes I get little scared :D
Any advice on best progression plan to use ?
Many thanks for posting this jewel.
Hi Lulloz. I only play 1124 progression
Cheers!
And when you get a loss you simply take it or you have a way to recover ?
Is a great system, is based on Roberta's key time is true ?
Many thx for you reply.
I can reply myself at my last question :)
With Compa's progression (1 1 2 4) system works very well and don't need fibonacci or other progression type to win !!
Looks very promising, more test needed.
In attach same session with 1124 progression.
Quote from: Lulloz on Aug 29, 07:25 PM 2010
I can reply myself at my last question :)
With Compa's progression (1 1 2 4) system works very well and don't need fibonacci or other progression type to win !!
Looks very promising, more test needed.
In attach same session with 1124 progression.
Lulloz....
you have the RX code for test this system ?
is possible downloaded ?
No sorry, is manual session based on saved spins.
2 nd test.
Hi Guys. Ok if You want to test this (which I already did), Play 100 spins at the time x30.
Post each 100 spins as 1 separate session in RX-view.
Cheers!
What you mean with "time x30" ?
Sorry but i don't understand :D
Lulloz
I think Compa wants you to play 30 sessions of 100 spins each and post your results (RX graphs) on here for each one.
Many thx for explanation :)
First 6 sessions always on RNG with progression 1-1-2-4.
Results are:
1 = -1
2 = +3
3 = +14
4 = -9
5 = +2
6 = +13
Session 6 not accepted in previous post.
Lulloz
Compa already said that :
This method is not for RNG............
Yes i know this, but i find this working on rng too (particular one) and if Compa have tested it on real wheel and know it works, i can test on this RNG and we can compare the results.
Do you think is wrong way ?
I don t think it will work, but we never know, so keep testing........ :-X
Quote from: Lulloz on Aug 30, 08:17 AM 2010
Many thanks for explanation :)
Your very welcome
Compa
With 1-1-2-4 dont you find the Profit goin round in circles a bit ? As you only make Profit on Bet 1
Can you explain why you choose to only use 1-1-2-4 please ?
Cheers bud :thumbsup:
Sessions 7 to 11.
7 = +12
8 = +14
9 = +13
10= +4
11= +3
Sessions 12 to 16.
12= +6
13= +18
14= -7
15= +16
16= +16
Sessions 17 to 21.
17= +10
18= +2
19= 0
20= -4
21= -6
Sessions 22 to 26.
22= +9
23= +15
24= -8
25= +14
26= +15
Sessions 27 to 30.
27= -32
28= +6
29= +12
30= -3
End of 30 sessions x 100 spins
Compa do you recommend a stop loss/win target?
My Best Regards
Quote from: mogwai on Aug 31, 02:32 AM 2010
Compa do you recommend a stop-loss/win target?
My Best Regards
Yes indeed mate. Stop at -8 units. And if things are going bad, wintarget is +3 and call it a day.
Cheers!
Lulloz,
What wheel did you play these on? Euro/American?
Thanks, Wally
No 0 roulette at Betvoyager.
They have a fair RNG generator (my personal opinion).
Quote from: Lulloz on Sep 01, 08:39 PM 2010
No 0 roulette at Betvoyager.
They have a fair RNG generator (my personal opinion).
Lulloz,
I agree that a fibonacci progression can get pretty steep fairly quick.
But, I would be interested to see you replay some of your sessions with a different bet sequence.
Maybe 1-2-4-8, or 1-2-4-7 or 1-2-3-6.
Or if it really wins, you could try 1-3-7-14 or 1-3-6-11.
1-1-2-4 Means that you have to win 8 times on the 1st bet to recover from a loss.
With the 1-2-4-8 you only have to hit 15 times on any of the 4 bets to recover from a loss.
At minimum the 1-2-3-6 gives you a recovery if you hit 12 times within the 1st 2 bets.
Maybe my thinking is askew or maybe it's at least worth a few tests.
It may prove to win more in the long run.
G
I did test this,George,on 3000 past playing spins/my own/
and 1-2-4--stop-progresion works best of all--now and again
you lose 7 units,but the hits are mostly in 1-3 attempts.
Flatino are right, 1-2-4 is the best from my test.
Quote from: Lulloz on Sep 08, 07:52 AM 2010
F_LAT_INO are right, 1-2-4 is the best from my test.
Now i told You all so 2 months ago...
so whats peoples conclusion on this system?
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 08, 11:53 AM 2010
So what's peoples conclusion on this system?
Peoples??? what's YOUR conclusion?!I have tested this for 3000 spins And it comes out as a winner. Im baffled anyone questions that in the first place. This is not popularitytest. Its a Forum for Roulettemethods..LoL
i have no conclusion because i have been working away from home
just wanted peoples views thats all for the small amount of time i have spent on it
i do like it
For the guest who is trying to post is this Topic- U need to register and join the Forum first before U can post.
Y not come in and join the crew.
We are very friendly lot.
Then U can post to Ur hearts content!!
Cheers. :thumbsup:
Are you guys insane? numbers are things painted on a slot in a wheel. the slots could have anything any color painted in these pockets. Can you really give a rationale explanation why if the ball lands in a pocket that has been painted a certain color or labeled with a certain number, that some kind of magical force has been put into motion for the next spin that will cause the ball to land in a pocket that has been painted or labeled in a certain way? do you really think past spins influence future spins? do you really think anything other than the point at which the dealer releases the ball, the speed of the wheel and speed of the ball and the way the ball hits the diamonds and bounces around until it lands in some particular pocket-- do you really think the color of the pocket it is going to land in or the color of the pocket it was in before it was picked up and thrown again-- or the way the pocket was labeled-- do you really think that makes a difference as to where the ball will land next?? Can you really not see that obviously every spin is independent of previous spins? HOW can you NOT see that? have you all gone insane????
have you seen more than 50 blacks in a row?
???
No can't say that I have. but I can tell you that on every spin, the chances remain the same for any outcome as it was on previous spin. if I brought you two fair coins and told you that one of them just flipped 10 heads in a row before I brought it to you (and it really happened, and the other coin did not do that), do you think you would gain an advantage by betting that the coin that flipped 10 heads in a row will now flip a tail, vs the other coin flipping a tail? you would not, because the chances remain the same, 1/2, for either coin to flip heads or tail next (though the chances for either coin to flip 10 heads or tails in a row on the next 10 flips are much smaller, but you can't count what has already happened as part of a sequence of what may happen next.) in any case it is particulary ridiculous to believe that because a pocket has been labeled in some way, that on the next spin or series of spins, a pocket that has been colored in some way is now more likely to hit. and if you do believe that I would love to hear a rationale explanation as to why that could be so. in roulette numbers are just labels, just something we have agreed to call a position on a wheel. every position could be labeled with anything and painted any color and obviously that would not change anything as to where the ball will land next. so the question is, the ball is thrown, it lands in a particular position, the ball is picked up, the wheel continues to spin (or not-- perhaps the wheel is closed for the night-- or perhaps it is closed for a year), now we're going to throw the ball again in the same wheel-- do you think the position that the ball landed in last will affect the position that the ball will land in next?
in this system discussion it seemed that first it was advised to bet one color if certain numbers hit, then it was changed and it was advised to bet the other color if certain numbers hit. or perhaps it was changed back, I don't know. but the quesion remains, how could you gain an advantage betting on one or the other color, after certain numbers did or did not hit previously? answer-- you could not. the only thing that will affect where the ball will land next is physics-- when the dealer throws the ball, speed of the ball and wheel, release point, etc. and that is all constantly changing.
Dear Red nickel,
Everybody knows what you are trying to say or to preach. In a forum like this, people try to put their own ways to win from the game called roulette. You better go somewhere, where you can learn Visual ballistic, bias analysis and dealer's signature type of stuffs. This forum is not meant for you and please stop calling everybody "insane". This is a peaceful forum and only well-behaved debators are required to be here.
Sorry I have not been politically correct enough. maybe I should have said "are you nuts?" but that may have been perceived as being too insulting too. I think my previous post was pretty polite and inoffensive. so basically we are not allowed to challenge anyone's thinking here (or to point out the obvious)? ok I'll try to be more polite and politically correct if I feel compelled to do that. but if someone is going to call their system "The Holy Grail! (for Red/Black)", it should be ok to question it.
If even after speaking so abruptly and rudely you feel it "polite" and "inoffensive", I have to change my dictionary and that of yours too. Learn to behave.
Quote from: Red Nickels on Jun 04, 05:27 AM 2011
Sorry I have not been politically correct enough. maybe I should have said "are you nuts?" but that may have been perceived as being too insulting too. I think my previous post was pretty polite and inoffensive.
There have been a lot worse! I can handle being called 'insane' or 'nuts' because I believe something that is -- itself -- perhaps a touch insane.
so basically we are not allowed to challenge anyone's thinking here (or to point out the obvious)?
Go ahead and do so.
ok I'll try to be more polite and politically correct if I feel compelled to do that. but if someone is going to call their system "The Holy Grail! (for Red/Black)", it should be ok to question it.
Yes. That's correct. It IS OK to question it.
If I believed in something, and somebody told me I was 'insane' to do so, and then presented cogent, logical reasons against it, I would be more inclined to listen to the message rather than shoot the messenger for thinking I was insane in the first place.
Hey, we're all a bit insane.
The wider society would think there's a type of insanity in watching a little ball going round and round in circles...A metaphor for life, isn't it?
I think we need to keep a sense of proportion, of perspective and, above all, A SENSE OF HUMOUR!!
@ Esoito
The wider society would think there's a type of insanity in watching a little ball going round and round in circles...A metaphor for life, isn't it?
I personally think that people who hit a little round white ball, walk after it, then to smack it again, until they get it into a small hole are insane :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I'd rather sit and watch it, than walk after it!!!
Regards,
Mauricio
Edit: PS - This ties up with what I said..
Robin Williams - Irish Drinking/GOLF (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=0JGHTM5nP7A#)
I was just watching a movie "Money Never Sleeps" and I just came to a part of it near the end where the protagonist says, "What is the definition of insanity-- it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results," and I have to say it immediately made me think of these roulette forums and the endless systems that people post. However I know some people are a little touchy about people like myself saying this or that so I will not continue to harp on this, and will readily admit that I certainly am guilty as well of trying endless and similar systems, expecting different results which never occur. I am just wondering how one can think that certain numbers "call forth.." black or red or certain other numbers. How exactly does that happen?-- I would like to know. And it certainly would be wonderful if these phenonemas did occur. Whatever-- let the insanity continue! I'm sorry, I didn't mean that-- I mean let the testing continue. And I'm sure I will continue to look for a solution to roulette as well, which has been proven to be unbeatable by people much smarter than myself. Certainly it would be more fun to sit at a roulette table placing bets and counting chips than going to work every day. I don't give up hope either.
Quote from: Red Nickels on Jun 07, 09:05 AM 2011
Certainly it would be more fun to sit at a roulette table placing bets and counting chips than going to work every day. I don't give up hope either.
What keeps me coming back for more ;)
Is this the real H/G? :question:
Quote from: viclimks on Jul 14, 03:50 AM 2011
Is this the real H/G? :question:
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I'm sorry to say it ain't. I found it to work quite well betting opposite the colour on the 3rd col number with 1-2-4-("8")...
vundarosa
For Compa and other experts, what's the best way to play this system. I saw so many variances and progressions that I'm lost.
Thanks
Hey,
had a test in Dublinbet on the real wheel roulette (R/B - triggers to start betting,progression simple Marty - 1,2,4,STOP):
27
36
28
15
10
25
6 B
27 L -1
17 L -2
11 W +4
10
23
19
19
12 R
22 L-1
1 W+2
11
4
14
22
20
21 R
9 W+1
18 R
11 L-1
33 L-2
22 L-4 ,STOPPED BETTING
24 B
15 W+1
28
31
Ended session. After I had a dinner I continued testing it:
28
0
8
24 B
4 W+1
10
30 R
11 L-1
16 W+2
10
29
27 R
4 L-1
4 L-2
17 L-4 STOPPED BETTING
27 R
18 W+1
35
35
1
10
11
3 R
8 L-1
14 W+2
5
15 B
4 W+1
31
29
33 B
23 L-1
34 L-2
2 W+4
1
13
26
23
27 R
6 L-1
3 W+2
END.
TOTAL: 24 LOST UNITS 21 WON,-3 UNITS.
Compa,don't be too strict me,you said to make 30x100 spins,but will lost my patience. Maybe later. By the way,results of testing on RNG wheel were better :)
Cheers
Quote from: MaximB on Aug 17, 08:59 AM 2011
Hey,
had a test in Dublinbet on the real wheel roulette (R/B - triggers to start betting,progression simple Marty - 1,2,4,STOP):
27
36
28
15
10
25
6 B
27 L -1
17 L -2
11 W +4
10
23
19
19
12 R
22 L-1
1 W+2
11
4
14
22
20
21 R
9 W+1
18 R
11 L-1
33 L-2
22 L-4 ,STOPPED BETTING
24 B
15 W+1
28
31
Ended session. After I had a dinner I continued testing it:
28
0
8
24 B
4 W+1
10
30 R
11 L-1
16 W+2
10
29
27 R
4 L-1
4 L-2
17 L-4 STOPPED BETTING
27 R
18 W+1
35
35
1
10
11
3 R
8 L-1
14 W+2
5
15 B
4 W+1
31
29
33 B
23 L-1
34 L-2
2 W+4
1
13
26
23
27 R
6 L-1
3 W+2
END.
TOTAL: 24 LOST UNITS 21 WON,-3 UNITS.
Compa,don't be too strict me,you said to make 30x100 spins,but will lost my patience. Maybe later. By the way,results of testing on RNG wheel were better :)
Cheers
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hi maximB.. this works fairly well.
I think betting the opposite works better.... If a red on 3rd col comes out, bet black...
i sometimes go to a 8u bet if zero is involved
vundarosa
Hey!
I wish Betvoyager had a live wheel with no zero roulette table :) That would be totally awesome.
Eh, anyway thanks Vundarosa for the advice,will give it a try and will write back with the results ^-^
But would play with 1,2,4 progression,easier to recover,plus I am kind of "conservative" player.
Cheers
Eh,well - it haven't happened so,as it was expecting :-\
Dublinbet real wheel,R/B - still are the triggers and the progression was 1,2,4,8:
17
16
31
31
32
13
12 B
21 L-1
23 L-2
16 L-4
14 L-8
5
23
23
27 B
11 W+1
19
32
36 B
19 L-1
27 L-2
34 L-4
30 L-8
26
31
13
27
3 B
20 W+1
35
B
36 L-1
32 L-2
23 L-4
21 L-8
End.
Hmm...betting the opposites was not a good idea :o
45 Units lost,2 Won ,Total: -43 U.
Ah well, you should have checked The Chompskyhonk while you had the chance. :xd:
I read the original topic from the beginning and don't grasp why this method would be any different then any other method.
Using the sample numbers above, bet black when running black. Bet red when running red.
The chart shows four types of betting progressions.
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2 1 2 4 8
3 1 3 9 27
4 1 4 16 68
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Holygrail? I don't know about that, works for me.
I would use this strategy only if I see red and black taking a run. In sample above, it was ideal.
Kimo Li
Quote from: ego on Sep 30, 06:18 AM 2011
I read the original topic from the beginning and don't grasp why this method would be any different then any other method.
Yep, nobody seemed to grasp it. That's one reason why I deleted it.
I offered an incredibly powerful method that just wins and wins, and nobody grasped it.
Fair enough, but then nobody bothered to involve their brains and even ask relevent questions in an effort to grasp it, so its gone.
Another you can try:
Track the EC results of the last 3 numbers in MATRIX 3 fashion.
R/B E/O H/L
Then FLATBET for each spin the side of the EC which predominates out of the LAST 3 VERTICAL results in each column - until total 100 spins recorded.
The bet never changes: 1-1-1 each spin after the initial 3 recorded numbers.
Remember take the side of the EC which dominates out of the last 3 vertical results (check after each spin)
[Reveal]
BEH
BEL
BEL first 3 numbers so bet BEL as they are the dominants
REH -1
REL +0
BOH -3
ROH -2
ROL -1
ROL +0
BOL +1
REH +0
BEL -1
BEL +2
BEH +3
BEH +4
ROH +3
REL +2
BEH +3
ROL +2
BOL +1
BEH +0
ROH -1
BOH +2
BEH +3
ROL +2
BOL +3
REH +0
ROL +3
BEL +2
BOL +1
ROH +0
REH -3
ROL -2
ROL -1
ROL +2
ROL +5
REL +6
REH +5
BOH +2
BEL +3
REL +2
BOH +1
REH +2
REH +5
REL +6
ROL +5
ROL +6
BEH +3
BOH +2
ROH +3
ROH +4
BOL +3
BEH +2
ROH +3
BEL +2
BOH +3
ROH +4
ROH +5
ROH +8
ROH +11
BEL +10
BEH +9
ROL +6
BEL +9
ROH +6
BEL +5
REL +6
BEL +7
BEH +8
REL +9
BEH +10
BEH +13
BOL +12
ROL +9
ROL +10
BEH +7
ROH +8
ROH +11
ROL +12
BOH +13
ROL +14
ROH +15
REL +14
REL +15
BEH +14
BEL +15
BOH +14
ROH +13
BOL +14
REL +11
BEL +10
BEL +13
BEL +16
BOL +17
BEL +20
REL +21
BOH +20
REL +21
REH +22
REL +23
+23u profit. (without any progression)
Max drawdown = 7
Lowest bankroll 97 out of 100units
Of course you can cease and bail out whenever a few units in +
Played on nozero - but could play single zero with le partage (half-stake returns)
A.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 30, 07:30 AM 2011
Yep, nobody seemed to grasp it. That's one reason why I deleted it.
I offered an incredibly powerful method that just wins and wins, and nobody grasped it.
Fair enough, but then nobody bothered to involve their brains and even ask relevent questions in an effort to grasp it, so its gone.
---Don't blame you at all and agree with you....that is the reason I don't post any longer,but know for sure that same ppl.are doing well with my PCWB bet cause they study it throughouly.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 30, 07:30 AM 2011
Yep, nobody seemed to grasp it. That's one reason why I deleted it.
I offered an incredibly powerful method that just wins and wins, and nobody grasped it.
Fair enough, but then nobody bothered to involve their brains and even ask relevent questions in an effort to grasp it, so its gone.
Yep definitely a worthwhile method. As with a number of good methods here, they tend to be tossed aside without alot of thought.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 30, 03:37 AM 2011
Ah well, you should have checked The Chompskyhonk while you had the chance. :xd:
That's not fair Skakus.........
It might take quite sometime before a method is grasp or appreciated........
Don't give up on us so soon.........
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 30, 07:43 AM 2011
---Don't blame you at all and agree with you....that is the reason I don't post any longer,but know for sure that same people.are doing well with my PCWB bet cause they study it throughouly.
PCWB? I'll study it if you spell it out for me.
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 02, 06:17 PM 2011
PCWB?.
Have a look here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=74) first.
U will need a Tracker.
then learn the system.
Its good. ;)
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 02, 06:17 PM 2011
PCWB? I'll study it if you spell it out for me.
--Neither you can become a winner without that mate. 8)
Quote from: amk on Oct 02, 04:00 PM 2011
That's not fair Skakus.........
It might take quite sometime before a method is grasp or appreciated........
Don't give up on us so soon.........
Well I guess he has given up on us dummies afterall he got a bet now I try grasp it
I asked for worked example in the Chomskyhonk method but alas it never happened
This really DOES work, almost ALWAYS within four spins ;D
Quote from: Chrisbis on Oct 02, 06:36 PM 2011
Have a look here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=74) first.
U will need a Tracker.
then learn the system.
Its good. ;)
there is a secret weapon with this system and it was not disclosed by FLATINO. WITHOUT THAT WEAPON, the system will not only shake your confidence, it will shake your bankroll too!
Quote from: catalyst on Oct 05, 09:08 AM 2011
there is a secret weapon with this system and it was not disclosed by F_LAT_INO. WITHOUT THAT WEAPON, the system will not only shake your confidence, it will shake your bankroll too!
so what is the point of this thread then ??? :question:
I tested this system long time ago on Gamlet's forum (now dead) and reported many losses.
Hermes
i take it that this is another failed system? Is it worth it to carry out further testing?
Quote from: Amazin on Feb 19, 12:07 PM 2012
i take it that this is another failed system? Is it worth it to carry out further testing?
Amazin,
If by failed you mean that this system doesn't guarantee a win every time you sit down to play it then I'm afraid your correct.
It is a system that you can use when you go to the casino to win a handful of chips more often than you lose.
Of course, that can be said about almost all of the decent systems posted on this forum.
On the other hand, there might be a way to play this system that will "almost" guarantee a win every time you play it and if you limit your losses to 2 or at most 3 in a row, who knows...
As you can see it generated a lot of attention. That means it showed a lot of promise. Just couldn't get over the hump, unless Compa knows something about it that the rest of us don't.
Sorry my friend,
GLC
Good clarification GLC. Sometimes it is needed when there is leechers around, trying to just grab something that others worked on for a long time..
Regards!
/M
I didn't intend for my response to Amazin's question to be negative or condescending in any way. After re-reading it, I can see that parts of it may be taken in that way. I could have answered his question with, "Yes!" But I wanted him to know that it's probably not what he's hoping it is.
GLC
Hey GLC, thanks for your response. I don't see anything offensive, lol
Right now I don't see how this system works but will do some reading before I start firing questions.
I was just curious because if this system is good as it appears to be, then why it is not at top?
Method? Bollocks!
I've been testing it for weeks and I can tell You that this strategy is not "Holy Grail", it's ordinary bullsh*t!!
Quote from: cofi on Mar 08, 11:30 AM 2012
Method? Bollocks!
I've been testing it for weeks and I can tell You that this strategy is not "Holy Grail", it's ordinary bullsh*t!!
Your saying is offensive to me as member of this forum.
First of all your aspect on this is totaly wrong. If you thought you will just come here, take the method (whatever title is) and go play it without thinking, just hoping you will get rich, you are very wrong. Hilariously wrong actualy...
Second, you don't know who is person behind the nickname and what knowledge that person has. Some of us do and that makes the difference.
You didn't thought for a second that maybe there is a grail in that, but maybe you can't see it? Actualy maybe is hidden just because of people like you?
I can assure you that on this forum, many grails have been published, but camouflaged for a bit, so only people who deserves them, could actulay recognize them.
Anyway, i wish you best taking here any method, test it to death and conclude you will get rich with it.
Regards
Drazen
GLC,
In support of your 2 or 3 losses in a row permit me to give you my latest take:
Eeven Chances ------- Stop after 3 losses in a row.
Dozens and Columns after 2 losses in a row. The same goes for all inside bets like splits, straight up, ,Quads ( 4 numbers ) streets or dbl streets.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Nathan Detroit
2 Drazen:
No, my saying was offensive towards this so called >>grail<<. At least to this method which has been presented here.
First of all Your assumption is wrong, I was NOT playing it w/o thinking, i was playing it according to instructions which were written here.
Secondly, if there are some more hidden instructions/tweaks/triiggers of fundamental importance regarding the system, then posting a method here without them is sefish or at least pointless - forum isn't a private property of "people who deserves them" - for that You can use private posts or even e-mail, so public forum would not be necessary at all.
So, to make myself clear, I was testing this "system" for weeks, and it DOESN'T work at all! At least not without "hidden" parts of the greatest importance. That is true, so in the future You could post a *, or a footnote by the new topic and write down that it's "the holly grail" only for you, "the chosen ones", so the rest of "people like me" - us, mortals, don't have to waste time... or money.
I am a bit lost with the system you are talking about: PCWB or Holly Grail for red and blacks?
Sorry for my ignorance :sad2: .
PCWB with a máximum of two or three losses in a row does work?
Quote from: Compa on Jul 06, 04:42 PM 2010
Hello . Here is the Holy Grail for You who Like to play R/B:
Ooohhhhhhh nooooo. Another unintelligent with another method...You say...LMAO.
Well,, properly tested for 3000 spins, never exceeded 4 spins (can we do a Martin here?)
Merry Christmas Y'all!
3.12.21.30.9.18.27.36 = Triggers for RED. Hits after 4 spins Max
6.15.24.33 = Triggers for BLACK. Hits after 4 spins Max
Meanwhile You waiting,, play H/L + 2 Doublestreets for a Dummybet = +2 units..
Cheeers!
Tested with 3 096 278 live spin with limited martingale (1-2-4-8):
Peak: 6 units / its wierd but it true, it depends on the start of the line
Bottom: - 99 304 units
Won red triggers: 544 221
Lost red triggers: 41 228 /end of martingale
Won black triggers: 206 851
Lost black triggers: 15 451 /end of martingale
Final score: - 99 113 units
True that.
Quote from: Oudi on Aug 23, 05:38 PM 2012
Tested with 3 096 278 live spin with limited martingale (1-2-4-8):
Peak: 6 units / its wierd but it true, it depends on the start of the line
Bottom: - 99 304 units
Won red triggers: 544 221
Lost red triggers: 41 228 /end of martingale
Won black triggers: 206 851
Lost black triggers: 15 451 /end of martingale
Final score: - 99 113 units
True that.
You can test any method for 3000000 spins, and do be supprised if you lose about 3% of the wagering amount. We do not win playing 3000000 spins, and most do not even have that time.
If the loss after 3000000 spins is more than 3% it is a strong signal the method is weak, and should be strong just reverse it.
I would like to see a test over so many numbers survive.
I do not think players who win more than they lose lean on a method, which is mechanical, and allways play it, it sounds not possible, the random stream will soon or later kill it.
The winners are lucky to not use it in the wrong time, have ability to stop before it becomes real bad. Adjust the methods all the time.
A computer run in millions will always end with a loss, it is not so the real game goes.
I seldom do such tests, I have reasons to belive I know the answer witout it.
Long series of numbers we can study, not against our methods, but to see it is no use to do them.
We can learn how numbers can behave, and that nothing should suprise you.
It is done a lot of studies of numbers, and a lot you can learn from that. The problem is allways to find a way to realy make use of it.
The expected value shows in a long serie, in a short it becomes weaker and the expected can differ much from the real, a condition which must be there if you are winning.
I can not see any use of running larger tests on a methods which we think is a winner, it should be better play it real. 10 Euro is 1000 cent, its a good base for a test, when it is double we can ask, why just pennies and try bigger, and maybe lose, but nobody knows. There are times when everything works, and times when nothing works, if we can smell it we are on track.
I tried it and found it to be total bs too.
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Well different players learn at different levels, maybe at some point Compa will reach a level where he understand that it does not exist any kind of HG.
When that happens he will understand that every player has to know how to deal with loses and then learn how to overcome does down-swings on a regular basis.
The list of lession can be very long ...
Topics like this one is just a waste of time ...
Quote from: ego on Dec 13, 01:34 AM 2012
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Well different players learn at different levels, maybe at some point Compa will reach a level where he understand that it does not exist any kind of holy grail.
When that happens he will understand that every player has to know how to deal with loses and then learn how to overcome does down-swings on a regular basis.
The list of lession can be very long ...
Topics like this one is just a waste of time ...
That's why I've been taking a very long, hard look at some tweaks on the Tera TNT bet progression method. I've gotten down to the point where I can almost play continuously and come out ahead. You need a 1,000 unit bank for the progression. Only wins about .05 units per spin though. That means you have to have the patience of Job or bring a hefty war chest to the table with you so you can bet large enough unit sizes to make the session worth while.
It can feel like your killing them and then all of a sudden the sequence from hell comes along and slaps you back to reality.
I may be fast approaching the inevitable conclusion that unless you just love to play roulette, I must confess that it's too boring for me to just play for fun, the methods I know that give you a fighting chance to win are either too boring if you only take enough bank to the game that losing it won't hurt you financially, and I don't have enough bank to risk betting large enough units to make the hours at the table worth while. (Sorry for the run-on sentence. I don't have time to break it up into short sentences.)
If you say you love playing roulette, then I ask you how often you just sit down and play an hour or so in demo mode for the fun of it? If never, then I don't think you love to play roulette as much as you love to gamble.
Just food for thought.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Dec 14, 11:54 PM 2012
That's why I've been taking a very long, hard look at some tweaks on the Tera TNT bet progression method. I've gotten down to the point where I can almost play continuously and come out ahead. You need a 1,000 unit bank for the progression. Only wins about .05 units per spin though. That means you have to have the patience of Job or bring a hefty war chest to the table with you so you can bet large enough unit sizes to make the session worth while.
It can feel like your killing them and then all of a sudden the sequence from hell comes along and slaps you back to reality.
I may be fast approaching the inevitable conclusion that unless you just love to play roulette, I must confess that it's too boring for me to just play for fun, the methods I know that give you a fighting chance to win are either too boring if you only take enough bank to the game that losing it won't hurt you financially, and I don't have enough bank to risk betting large enough units to make the hours at the table worth while. (Sorry for the run-on sentence. I don't have time to break it up into short sentences.)
If you say you love playing roulette, then I ask you how often you just sit down and play an hour or so in demo mode for the fun of it? If never, then I don't think you love to play roulette as much as you love to gamble.
Just food for thought.
GLC
Cool, i have Tera TNT, but never understood the concept.
I hear its effective ...
If you have time could you PM me and explain the progression as i reckon it does not involve any particular bet selection ...
Many Thanks ...
So Compa/IBOBAN,
I need a recap about the system its very confusing (Duh it's a 18 pages thread :P)
And are you making any progress with even/odd? Haven't heard of you for a while.
Cheers, Jordsie
Has anyone tried to convert this method to a 0 / 00 wheel ? If so, what are the triggers ?
Thanks,
The holy grail or solid gold as we say here....ITS IN THIS POST!!!
Where denzie
Have many here.... the one from atlantis ? Look last 3 EC
Compa's ? Or Compa's with a twist?
4x4 drive ?
The dombo bets?
The leveller?
Oooooor a mix ?
I swear I've got it and its here under your nose. Think and you will see and find.
Another for my not holy but pretty close system is... follow the hot nr with flatbetting or wait 250spins for the cold nr and stick on it till it hits. If hit still stay for minimum one more hit.
You got it? Why not just tell it?
The answer already in my answer. Now just choose the right one and go get your money.
Ok thanks! Whats the best?
Dont drop hints. Saying the holy grail is here is a bold statement. Explain what you mean.
Oooh! Here we go - puzzle time again on the forum - and yep, it's only another GrailSearch! :twisted: :ooh:
These things are always devilishly frustrating and tantalising, to those not in the know, and especially without a decent clue - but then again I find it strangely exciting to be told that we are now so very close to finding it.
Has anybody found the "right one" yet, I wonder... ;)
Denzies - you sure have sparked people's interest. I must tell you its brightened up my day, all this talk of grails and riches and whatnot...
I so hope all the studying and fathoming of this topic will lead to a solution/resolution from which we can ALL benefit.
To that end it would be good, as RouletteGhost intimated, if you could explain more about your test findings and share your discoveries. Is it still holding up?
Regards,
A.
O common guys , its under your nose right here. If u cant see it then you dont deserve it. Bit like compa said. Buuuuut another hint: its not compa,s Original system.
Can i ask u guys? Did u try Hermes 4x4? here is only one best way in my book(works just fine)
Did u try the leveller ? here is one golden way (works more then fine)
Did you play flatbetting hot/cold nrs? (works really more then just fine)
Did you try Compa,s? (works soso)
If u really try these with the right method did you profit???? Yes !!!
And if you mix the right system together then u will have your Holy Grail or Solid Golden System. Also Atlantis you did a good job on this forum. If you keep it bit more simple u have it (if you didnt already have)
Al these work already if u have the right MM! Now up to yourself what u like best and hope u find the right mix.
the reason i not just say it is easy....if the hg comes out........dont you think the casino will find a new rule to stop it? So better let only people know who deserve it. And not just some lazy people who google bit and taaaadaaaa .... hope u guys understand. Again mix the right systems from above and there you go :)
Hi Denzie,
I think that you have a bit muddled thinking here. If (IF) the HG is found how many players in the world are going to know about it? Not many because most players just play blind and have not a clue what they are doing. They would forget how it works, where they were in the staking plan etc. etc. I am sure you get the drift. Also casinos Live play (B&M and on-line) cannot change anything that would affect outcomes. Yes speed on release, direction of travel, more diamonds etc. etc. but nothing will stop the ball landing in a red or black, zero, high or low, odd or even etc. etc. slot so the idea that casinos would go out of business is ludicrous. There must already be 1000`s of systems, methods etc. and casinos have not gone out of business. Some of the systems, methods though not HG can provide steady regular wins so why isn`t everyone in the world playing them now?
If you want to hide your light under a bushel that is up to you but it is you who will look stupid. Silly me, I thought that the forum was for members to help each other in what ever way possible. Guess I`ll have have a rethink on that.
Bleep24
so compa and flat worked together on this topic, why did flat need to come up with this system if PCWB was a winner.
I thought that the forum was for members to
help each other in what ever way possible.--Bleep24
Ideally yes. However this 'Grail-taunting' isn't helpful at all. :q
Lol i will now call it " falkoring" :xd:
Quote from: denzie on Feb 04, 02:01 PM 2015
the reason i not just say it is easy....if the hg comes out........dont you think the casino will find a new rule to stop it? So better let only people know who deserve it. And not just some lazy people who google bit and taaaadaaaa .... hope u guys understand. Again mix the right systems from above and there you go :)
& how exactly would they do that pls denzie ?
O0
The point of the forum is to help eachother. Not to say "its under your nose of you can't see it you don't deserve it"
Noone knows what you personally are thinking. You listed multiple strategies.
Next time if you won't elaborate just don't mention it at all
Noone wants hints or goose chases anymore
You say the grails here so WHAT IS IT DENZIE
You say the grails here so WHAT IS IT DENZIE
I'll bet you a cool dip in the pool he will not answer this question any more than I will rise and fly around the room: I can't and he can't.
How many years have we read of these folks who had the "Grail"? Yet here they were on line bloviating about it instead of making money with it. As he said, you do not hide your light under a bushel. What this fellow is doing is sitting on the bushel and trying to convince folks think there is a light underneath it, but they are not allowed to see it.
(For those who don't know, a bushel is a basket which holds--oddly enough--a bushel. It is used to measure wheat and corn primarily.)
Samster
Thx for deleting my last reply . If you do that then delete all ! Not my fault people are blind . My English is not good so i probably spel it wrong : ignorance is frustrated isn't it .... bye bye
Then just explain instead of making attention and dont act like an idiot. I just try to warn you before you kicked out like some others that did the same.
Grtz r
ahhh...i think i got what denzie talks about.
notice that he works a lot on dozen systems in the past.
now combine compas and a dozen selection from this forum and a mm strategy and there it is...
will do more testing and then tell you guys the bet selection.
i also made a tweak which is till now always slight ahead. will test ten days of duisburg spins starting from 01.02.2015 table 5 and look if it can stand.
maxx
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 06, 04:14 AM 2015
ahhh...i think i got what denzie talks about.
notice that he works a lot on dozen systems in the past.
now combine compas and a dozen selection from this forum and a mm strategy and there it is...
will do more testing and then tell you guys the bet selection.
i also made a tweak which is till now always slight ahead. will test ten days of duisburg spins starting from 01.02.2015 table 5 and look if it can stand.
maxx
Thank you maxx!!!!!
agesta
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 06, 04:14 AM 2015
ahhh...i think i got what denzie talks about.
notice that he works a lot on dozen systems in the past.
now combine compas and a dozen selection from this forum and a mm strategy and there it is...
will do more testing and then tell you guys the bet selection.
i also made a tweak which is till now always slight ahead. will test ten days of duisburg spins starting from 01.02.2015 table 5 and look if it can stand.
maxx
Thanks Maxx! :thumbsup:
Ahhh lol ....im flatbetting or 1, 3, 9 marty with lv ......didn't lose one session on now more then 10000 fresh nrs . I did go lv abt 5% of the times i start betting but got back in profit after about 2-4 bets.
Cuz i wait for a trigger. That's it for now and for sure im not gonna listen to some people who's "systems" didn't work at all ^^
Those who serious players with brains will got it fast.... hermes, atlantis they should get it (if they not already have it). Glc got really interesting ideas and progressions but they do tank. And for Compa ....he just lucky cuz some days it goes great but other days it really not work (as almost all systems). Flatino ...well i feel he turns as fast as the wind. First he got it and then oooh not anymore. But this just my personal opinion.
So again answer this : lv works(on dozens/colums ooor red/black with separate banks)? 4x4 works? How about atlantis his tweak on those? If your answer is yes then you will find it.
I don't think Denzie found anything! He just wants some money from us to reveal his system! Sooner or later! What he is doing now is just marketing syrategy to sell his system!
Yes , i dont believe untill see with numbers, proof, tests. Its not the first person that screams to have something and after a month it looks like nothing ever happend.
@ denzie
Did you test it enough to say it works.
Totally agree wtih Rester88; anyone can claim anything......; When it comes
to roulette I only believe what I see.....; Up to now I have not seen any proof
of any winnings either by way of a video on youtube; or by proof of withdrawal of
the winnings.....
To me it is just hot air....lol lol
@brandon ...yesterday i won 700â,¬ flatbetting with 100â,¬ bets without stress. You really think i need that scammoney ? And if would need it , i gonna try sell it here where everyone knows to NEVER EVER buy those things.
@chris ... then its really time you open your eyes more. And for sure nothing good on YouTube. And you really think there no people who make money with gambling? I already make good money with baccarat but i just love roulette more cuz simply it challenge me to break it. Baccarat not do this. And craps i never played but it's on my list.
@rewster ....Every day ! And also i go check on my old nrs cuz i played 1000nrs/day b4 with the help of my wife.
If u track all these nrs then u look all possible solutions.
Im not a seller or something like that.
I just want to see people try and not just ask for a gift.
I've been hours, days , months busy with it. So the ones who seriously try....they get my help for sure and for free.
The ones who call it scam ,bullshit or blabla will never get it from me. Cuz there system just not do it
i dont want the whole system as a gift. i like the challenge and want to think it through. but a little more hints would be nice :)
are you playing straight up numbers? columns? Dozens? or combined?
The problem is, you named a few systems. And so.. With only one of those you "win" ? So whats with the others? If i search the forum for these systems i cant find them and thats why i cant test it. So all im asking is explain more and use examples live. And also why this should do it? I do not like to gamble, so i also do not like to gamble trying and searching what system you might be talking about.
Grtz r
@ Denzie I will be glad to believe u whatever u say, but at least show us the
proof...... Up to now apart from your word, we have not seen anything;
hardly convincing for your case...... Just my 0.02....lol lol
Whats the holy grail denzie spoke of. Explanation yet?
naan, no explanation; not a shread of evidence of winnings;
no evidence of withdrawal of winnings etc......; until proven otherwise to
me the so called hg is just hot air......lol lol
Quote from: denzie on Feb 06, 09:00 AM 2015
@brandon ...yesterday i won 700â,¬ flatbetting with 100â,¬ bets without stress. You really think i need that scammoney ? And if would need it , i gonna try sell it here where everyone knows to NEVER EVER buy those things.
@chris ... then its really time you open your eyes more. And for sure nothing good on YouTube. And you really think there no people who make money with gambling? I already make good money with baccarat but i just love roulette more cuz simply it challenge me to break it. Baccarat not do this. And craps i never played but it's on my list.
@rewster ....Every day ! And also i go check on my old nrs cuz i played 1000nrs/day b4 with the help of my wife.
If u track all these nrs then u look all possible solutions.
Im not a seller or something like that.
I just want to see people try and not just ask for a gift.
I've been hours, days , months busy with it. So the ones who seriously try....they get my help for sure and for free.
The ones who call it scam ,bullshit or blabla will never get it from me. Cuz there system just not do it
@Denzie......or should I say@Falkor.......or should I say @ John Legend.....
Many members of this forum have put in a great deal of time, effort, and energy, that you yourself have profited from. Perhaps a bit more respect and less arrogance would be more productive.
Until you provide proof, you are no better than JL or Falkor.
Please feel free to provide details of your system, or kindly leave and find somewhere else to seek out attention.
There's only one answer i like ...and i will help you rfmaxx ! The rest is also hot air to me as same as there "systems ".
Don't like gambling? Find other things to do then wait for someone throw the answer on your feet.
The rest i not even gonna talk about. If i read your last posts and your potential to ever find it ...lol lol
And the law....i will leave (now your arrogance and yourself have a good day at work but this hot air finishing work in may and im 32 )
Im done.....no idea who jl or falkor is but not really my problem
Well, he's done! Now we'll never know......
Sorry my english. Is not i speak native. My english bad, but @Denzie english actually really good, except some fake bad grammer, and little bit bad spelin. My fake bad grammer better than @Denzie bad grammer. More can believe my bad spel and grammer. I think @Denzie english good as any Canadian on west coast, near where Warrior surrounded by casinos. It not easy fake bad english but more convinced if use of euro-dollar symbol to say how much me is winning every day because everybody else too lazy to see obvious under the nose. All have do is leave out few preposition where belongs, and put em in where not belong to sentence. If overlook fake bad grammer, @Denzie english good as Warrior english.
Denzie,
You did try a system i posted " one for all all for one" and many even much better systems on this forum and you had great results with some of them, did the people wich created this systems ever tell you that they dont want to share it with you? I didnt even tested my system and i already shared it. I just want that everybody here on this forum ( people that loves to play roulette) can beat the crap out of the casino's because that is what they did and still do to us. So if you dont want to share anything then whats the point of staying on this forum? Be usefull or go away.
R
I think we have to look at hermes 4x4 drive as mentioned by denzie to get clue on this one.
Or maybe his 6-line methodology converted to work for dozens... They seem good to me.
That's just my thinking/guess as a starting point to this MYSTERY - I do not like to just guess really; but it could be ANYTHING else of course.
Am I on right track, denzie??
A.
Denzie has made it clear that he does not wish to share his "system".
Remember, less than 6 weeks ago, Falkor tried to run this same con on everyone. "I HAVE THE HOLY GRAIL....LOOK AT ME.....LOOK AT ME!!!"
This is just an attempt to get attention......nothing more.
I posted this same warning about Falkor days before he was banned.
The pattern is clear:
1)Claim that you have a winning system
2)Give hints, but no clear details about the system
3)Garner more and more attention by baiting others with "breadcrumbs" , or arguing with members until someone calls you out
4)Dissappear - Go back to step 1 under a new name - Rinse and repeat
I think Atlantis is right , i think it is something about hermes 4x4 system .But Atlantis, can you explain what's about 6 line methodology? Thank you!
Hi Brandon,
I was talking about Hermes 6-Line System converted for Dozens...
On average one doz should show once in 3 spins.
The rules: If doz comes bet the doz for 3 spins GLAT progression. (or use own progression)
If it doesn't hit in 3 spins PAUSE or Stop betting and wait until the dozen hits again and then continue to bet the progression for another 3 spins.
If the dozen doesn't hit in the second 3 spins repeat the waiting period until next hit and then next 3 spins of chasing the doz (sleeper) for win...etc.
Progression=Rules of GLAT applied to EACH dozen.
The example of complete play:
Hit = x
Win = W + Wait for next hit (x)
Lp = Loss + pause in progression and wait for next hit (x)
L=Loss
# D1 D2 D3 +/-
=================================
32 x +0*
0 1L -1
13 x 1L -2
20 1W 1Lp -1
16 x -1
25 1L x -2
17 1W 1L -1
30 1W +1* New High (reduce all progs)
34 x +1*
7 x 1L +0
11 1W 1L -1
36 1W +1* Equal High (reduce all progs)
10 x +1*
11 1W +2 * New High (reduce all progs)
34 x +2*
4 x 1L +1
22 1L x 1L -1
9 1W 1L 1Lp -1
14 1W +1
10 x +1
0 1L +0
12 1W +2 * Equal High (reduce all progs)
18 x +2*
11 x 1L +1
1 1W 1L +2 * Equal High (reduce all progs)
14 1W +4 * New High (reduce all progs)
1 x +4*
21 1L x +3
11 1W 1L +4 * New High (reduce all progs)
0 1L +3
11 x 1Lp +2
25 1L x +1
5 1W 1L +2
10 x 1L +1
2 1W 1Lp +2
16 x +2
27 1L x +1
18 1W 1L +2
27 1W +4 * New High (reduce all progs)
10 x +4 *
8 1W +6 * New High (reduce all progs)
10 x +6 *
0 1L +5
22 1L x +4
13 1Lp 1W +5
23 x +5
27 1L x +4
27 1L 2W +7 *New High (reduce all progs)
16 1W +8 *New High (reduce all progs)
32 x +8 *
23 x L1 +7
50 spins example. I use hermes spins.
+7u profit.
Note: the 2u on d3 placed in accordance with GLAT due to profit (+4) less than highest profit (+6) at that time.
Of course you can use differential betting too on the dozens if called on to bet all 3 in certain cases...
Thx to hermes and best regards,
A.
The Law...hmmm never was a big fan of that. And it looks like here its the same.
But thx for your contribution here. You can teach everybody to write with colors.
Very good job .... carry on
Atlantis pm
And for the rest: try the systems first and then start yak and whinning.
More then 1 solid system there. But sometimes they just take to long to get back to a new high. But they Always do there job. But im not the kind of guy who go to a casino with 1000units to catch 100units. I wanna go with 1000 units to catch another 1000
So after reading the posts about lv and 4x4 it just hit me. Soooooooooo yes its on the dozens or colums u need to be. So stop yak and play with colorbooks and open your eyes and you will find it there for sure. Another clue? forget Compas.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 07, 10:39 AM 2015
The Law...hmmm never was a big fan of that. And it looks like here its the same.
But thx for your contribution here. You can teach everybody to write with colors.
Very good job .... carry on
Atlantis pm
And for the rest: try the systems first and then start yak and whinning.
More then 1 solid system there. But sometimes they just take to long to get back to a new high. But they Always do there job. But im not the kind of guy who go to a casino with 1000units to catch 100units. I wanna go with 1000 units to catch another 1000
So after reading the posts about lv and 4x4 it just hit me. Soooooooooo yes its on the dozens or colums u need to be. So stop yak and play with colorbooks and open your eyes and you will find it there for sure. Another clue? forget Compas.
Step #3)Garner more and more attention by baiting others with "breadcrumbs" , or arguing with members until someone calls you out
Step #3 Complete.........................the Con continues.......Denzie rides again!!!
I want to tell you guys that I have a respect for Denzie and I tell you why: even if he doesn,t tell us what is all about, a litlle thing i s certain: if he won,t tell us anything, he made us to have attention and he put our heads to think. Sooner or later we will find what he is talking about.
I want to let you Know that denzie Stays true to his words.
He Sent me a Long pm with Detail information. and he Offers more help if i Need it: for free.
That doesnt Look like scamming to me. I think sometimes you are judging People too fast.
Warrior, falkor and now denzie. They dont have to Present Full Systems to us. Not their Job. Giving Us hints so that we can think ourselves is Gift enough. If you call These people scammer they will of course not Giving more Info. What do you want? More Info or no Info?
More info, more hints...:)
Quote from: RFMAXX on Feb 07, 01:15 PM 2015
I want to let you Know that denzie Stays true to his words.
He Sent me a Long pm with Detail information. and he Offers more help if i Need it: for free.
That doesnt Look like scamming to me. I think sometimes you are judging People too fast.
Warrior, falkor and now denzie. They dont have to Present Full Systems to us. Not their Job. Giving Us hints so that we can think ourselves is Gift enough. If you call These people scammer they will of course not Giving more Info. What do you want? More Info or no Info?
You must be joking!!!
Falkor was banned because he tried to privately pm members to buy his "system".
Now you are claiming that Denzie is giving private details to you about another "system". This is just ludicrous!
Either you have a successful system, or you don't.
If you have a successful system and are unwilling to share it, then why post on a forum?
The answer: THERE IS NO SYSTEM!
John Legend's "systems" : FAILED
Falkor's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)
Denzie's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)
Until you have PROOF of a working system, it DOES NOT EXIST!
Denzie.
Stop goading and making claims with no substance. its winding people up.
And stop saying your "done" then coming back. Thats winding me up.
That was a warning
Turner
he says the grill is in this thread obviously he doesn't think any of us are good enough ban him
Yes, what a waste of time. Its about give and take. He dont wants to give then he should not take... So vote ban +1
Quote from: thelaw on Feb 07, 01:44 PM 2015
You must be joking!!!
Falkor was banned because he tried to privately pm members to buy his "system".
Now you are claiming that Denzie is giving private details to you about another "system". This is just ludicrous!
Either you have a successful system, or you don't.
If you have a successful system and are unwilling to share it, then why post on a forum?
The answer: THERE IS NO SYSTEM!
John Legend's "systems" : FAILED
Falkor's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)
Denzie's "System": DOES NOT EXIST (NO PROOF)
Until you have PROOF of a working system, it DOES NOT EXIST!
@thelaw You are painting with broadstrokes and misleading. What denzie is doing does not compare to John Legend or falkor, nor do those two compare to each other. Denzies method most resembles Warrior's approach, but somehow the similarity escapes your observation. Next, i doubt falkor was banned for the reason you say. I have good reason to think you are being misleading in that regard, and unfair to falkor since he can't defend against that accusation here. Same with JL who posted everything he was optimistic about, and asked for a little extra attention as payment...but did not sell anything privately. You're big red letters were out of line to begin with in regards falkor, who was just posting research results at his own pace, while being optimistic about the current results.
We are witnessing a phenomenon where people post details as long as they are not 100% sure there is a winning system. Then, the moment they feel 100% sure they've turned the tables, withdraw contributions, and at best, offer too few hints that madden the hungry crowd, for fear casinos worldwide will shut down roulette forever, when the most casinos will probably ever do is back off consistent winners (like card counters), whether casinos understand how winners win or not. This is where denzie most resembles Warrior.
Then we see a phenomenon where the hint-dropper selects a few worthy among the mad hungry crowd...for inclusion in private hints or private revelation.
Last phenomenon but not least, some will be thankful for the hints, as if a guide had pointed in the right direction over a rocky mountain pass. In that situation, there are three possibilities:
1.) It's the right direction over the pass
2.) The guide doesn't know if the direction is wrong or right (but believes it's right)
3.) The guide knows it's probably the wrong direction
The most probable is #2. The more the guide taunts the crowd, the more likely it is #3. Some of us won't take right directions from mean spirited guides, even if the guide might be pointing in the right direction. That's where i stand. I will find the right road without the menacing guide.
Still
Quote from: Still on Feb 07, 05:30 PM 2015
@thelaw You are painting with broadstrokes and misleading. What denzie is doing does not compare to John Legend or falkor, nor do those two compare to each other. Denzies method most resembles Warrior's approach, but somehow the similarity escapes your observation. Next, i doubt falkor was banned for the reason you say. I have good reason to think you are being misleading in that regard, and unfair to falkor since he can't defend against that accusation here. Same with JL who posted everything he was optimistic about, and asked for a little extra attention as payment...but did not sell anything privately. You're big red letters were out of line to begin with in regards falkor, who was just posting research results at his own pace, while being optimistic about the current results.
We are witnessing a phenomenon where people post details as long as they are not 100% sure there is a winning system. Then, the moment they feel 100% sure they've turned the tables, withdraw contributions, and at best, offer too few hints that madden the hungry crowd, for fear casinos worldwide will shut down roulette forever, when the most casinos will probably ever do is back off consistent winners (like card counters), whether casinos understand how winners win or not. This is where denzie most resembles Warrior.
Then we see a phenomenon where the hint-dropper selects a few worthy among the mad hungry crowd...for inclusion in private hints or private revelation.
Last phenomenon but not least, some will be thankful for the hints, as if a guide had pointed in the right direction over a rocky mountain pass. In that situation, there are three possibilities:
1.) It's the right direction over the pass
2.) The guide doesn't know if the direction is wrong or right (but believes it's right)
3.) The guide knows it's probably the wrong direction
The most probable is #2. The more the guide taunts the crowd, the more likely it is #3. Some of us won't take right directions from mean spirited guides, even if the guide might be pointing in the right direction. That's where i stand. I will find the right road without the menacing guide.
Still
Hey Still,
First off, all of my info about Falkor came directly from his public thread. After posting multiple "breadcrumbs" and promising a "holy grail" over dozens of pages, Iggiv gave him an ultimatum; either give a detailed explanation of his system or leave. Falkor promised to post the entire system by January 1st 2015. Then...............Then....................................................NOTHING.
I posted the same warning about this Con right before Iggiv stepped in, and "magically" I was correct (just a lucky guess-right?)
*On a side note, the innocent Falkor that you refer to, made extensive and extreme use of the Font Size and Coloring options that you chose to criticize me for *
But, for the sake of argument, let's try your philosophy. Imagine that each and every system ever posted on this forum, wasn't laid out in detail, but just described in a list of hints designed to "help us find the truth in each system".
How many bogus "holy grails" would we have?
How much time, effort, money, and energy would members have spent, with nothing to show for it?
Would we be closer to a working system?
Your process is called FAITH, while this forum is about SCIENCE.
And as for your Conspiracy theory about members hiding the "holy grail" from others for fear that the casinos shut down; this is simply another pseudo-scientific theory designed to help you believe instead of thinking. Simply put- you prefer fantasy to reality when given the choice.
This forum is designed to be a place where individuals post evidence-based info regarding avenues to beat the game of Roulette. If you would prefer a faith based approach to the game, might I suggest starting a forum of your own where you can discuss effective methods like Prayer, Astrology, or Ouija Boards for prediction.
As for me, I am going to stick with the scientific approach to beating the game :)
Quote from: thelaw on Feb 07, 07:19 PM 2015
Hey Still,
First off, all of my info about Falkor came directly from his public thread. After posting multiple "breadcrumbs" and promising a "holy grail" over dozens of pages, Iggiv gave him an ultimatum; either give a detailed explanation of his system or leave. Falkor promised to post the entire system by January 1st 2015. Then...............Then....................................................NOTHING.
I posted the same warning about this Con right before Iggiv stepped in, and "magically" I was correct (just a lucky guess-right?)
*On a side note, the innocent Falkor that you refer to, made extensive and extreme use of the Font Size and Coloring options that you chose to criticize me for *
But, for the sake of argument, let's try your philosophy. Imagine that each and every system ever posted on this forum, wasn't laid out in detail, but just described in a list of hints designed to "help us find the truth in each system".
How many bogus "holy grails" would we have?
How much time, effort, money, and energy would members have spent, with nothing to show for it?
Would we be closer to a working system?
Your process is called FAITH, while this forum is about SCIENCE.
And as for your Conspiracy theory about members hiding the "holy grail" from others for fear that the casinos shut down; this is simply another pseudo-scientific theory designed to help you believe instead of thinking. Simply put- you prefer fantasy to reality when given the choice.
This forum is designed to be a place where individuals post evidence-based info regarding avenues to beat the game of Roulette. If you would prefer a faith based approach to the game, might I suggest starting a forum of your own where you can discuss effective methods like Prayer, Astrology, or Ouija Boards for prediction.
As for me, I am going to stick with the scientific approach to beating the game :)
Azim/thelaw, once again you are painting with loud broad paint-strokes that misrepresent people and their positions, including mine. Falkor was approaching this as scientifically as i've ever seen anyone approach it on the forum, an approach that i favor. He was just not jumping to conclusions as fast as you thought he should jump. Now you misrepresent the sequence of events leading to his ban...a week before Jan 1st, the day he promised iggiv to let loose some significant research results. Just before Christmas, he posted some other, but similar method, that seemed to work well, and then asked that it be deleted, because, he thought, it worked too well. It seems he discovered it enroute to the other solution he was researching. At the same time, he may have invited a few folks to a private site to see his research in that regard, not to sell them the research, but to let them see it free. Somehow this was all interpreted as selling out in a bad way, and he was banned. I already mentioned the phenomenon that falkor experienced; the desire to keep private methods that actually work, once you fully realize, or come to fully believe, that they will work. I already mentioned the three possibilities in that case. Now, if the mods want to be consistent, denzie will be banned soon because he has stated as a matter of fact, that he will no longer offer anything to the group that he actually believes will work, and will forever more keep private anything he actually knows (or believes) will work. All this despite the help he may have received from the group in the past. At best he will offer maddening hints. In that case, the mods should give him a set time to offer all the hints he intends to offer, and give him enough time to privately invite anyone he considers worthy of his information to meet him privately, at the end of which time he should be banned.
There are people here who don't know yet that they will opt never to reveal (except for maddening hints) something that actually (or that they believe actually) works...to the crowd. You might be one of them. I believe falkor did not know he would be that way, and as soon as he discovered it (by asking a thread be deleted), he was banned. So, to be consistent, he should either be brought back, or denzie should be banned along with Warrior, with those who have explicitly expressed they will never give anything more than hints, regardless the help they may receive or have received from group-sourcing the forum's resources.
All that's happening right now is denzie is insulting the group, dividing it into what he considers sheep and goats, and may (if you are lucky) decide to PM whom he considers good sheep. I say, give him some time. But not much.
Still
"Sheep go to heaven; goats go to hell."
not bad for 8 weeks
Quote from: Still on Feb 07, 07:51 PM 2015
Azim/thelaw, once again you are painting with loud broad paint-strokes that misrepresent people and their positions, including mine. Falkor was approaching this as scientifically as i've ever seen anyone approach it on the forum, an approach that i favor. He was just not jumping to conclusions as fast as you thought he should jump. Now you misrepresent the sequence of events leading to his ban...a week before Jan 1st, the day he promised iggiv to let loose some significant research results. Just before Christmas, he posted some other, but similar method, that seemed to work well, and then asked that it be deleted, because, he thought, it worked too well. It seems he discovered it enroute to the other solution he was researching. At the same time, he may have invited a few folks to a private site to see his research in that regard, not to sell them the research, but to let them see it free. Somehow this was all interpreted as selling out in a bad way, and he was banned. I already mentioned the phenomenon that falkor experienced; the desire to keep private methods that actually work, once you fully realize, or come to fully believe, that they will work. I already mentioned the three possibilities in that case. Now, if the mods want to be consistent, denzie will be banned soon because he has stated as a matter of fact, that he will no longer offer anything to the group that he actually believes will work, and will forever more keep private anything he actually knows (or believes) will work. All this despite the help he may have received from the group in the past. At best he will offer maddening hints. In that case, the mods should give him a set time to offer all the hints he intends to offer, and give him enough time to privately invite anyone he considers worthy of his information to meet him privately, at the end of which time he should be banned.
There are people here who don't know yet that they will opt never to reveal (except for maddening hints) something that actually (or that they believe actually) works...to the crowd. You might be one of them. I believe falkor did not know he would be that way, and as soon as he discovered it (by asking a thread be deleted), he was banned. So, to be consistent, he should either be brought back, or denzie should be banned along with Warrior, with those who have explicitly expressed they will never give anything more than hints, regardless the help they may receive or have received from group-sourcing the forum's resources.
All that's happening right now is denzie is insulting the group, dividing it into what he considers sheep and goats, and may (if you are lucky) decide to PM whom he considers good sheep. I say, give him some time. But not much.
Still
Still,
Wow!
So now the great Falkor had not one, but two working systems, and just happened to publish parts of one (again - not a full system) before the January 1st deadline, then disappeared without delivering on his promise to explain his system.
Hopefully your king Denzie will choose you to be one of the select few he shares his "secret" system with. Until then, you have nothing......zilch.....nada.
So keep allowing people like Falkor, who has gone back on his word publicly on multiple occasions, to waste the time of others on this forum, moving everyone further away from any real workable system.
Can we all calm down
This post has gone the way they always go.
Someone claims a HG
Everyone gets wound up
Certain people start feuding
Either get back to discussing the subject matter or I will lock the post
Turner
Most members can smell when someone is full of shit. The same patterns repeat: someone claims they have HG, and they either:
* lead people on, or
* try to sell something, or
* it turns out the system is useless and without any valid principles.
There also appears to be two types of members:
* members who want to do lots of testing and see if there's any merit in the what this new mysterious person is preaching,
* members who can smell the bullshit from miles off
It doesnt need to end in a debate or argument. Anyone is free to waste their time or not.
It is particularly frustrating when some new person comes here claiming to be the roulette god, and some people actually buy into it, without having learned anything from the past.
Keep it simple:
* claims alone are not enough. Anyone can claim anything.
* Baiting and an endless lines of "clues" are signs of bullshit, like CEH.
* If a person doesnt outright share or offer real proof, they are probably full of shit.
* If someone is baiting, it is actually breaking the rules, report them. The forum is an open and friendly place for sharing. If you are here to be open and share, you wont bait. And if you do bait, you will be banned. But if you report someone, give very clear examples that show a pattern of behavior so the mods can see.
There should be very little tolerance for people that bait and just lead people on.