Something worth looking at
I have Highs and Lows in matrix 3 wide.
If there are more Lows in the above line, bet 3 times for High 1,2,4
If there are more Highs in the above line, bet 3 times for Low 1,2,4
Never go further than that with progression. Zero counted as a loss.
I like it because even in this instance
HHL 2 highs, so bet 3 times on low
HHL you lost the first 2 bets, but won the third and actually go +1 up because of the progression.
[reveal=]
LLL
HHL -1
HLL +4
LHL +1
LL0 0
H0H +3
HLL +8
LLH +9
HLL +4
LHL +1
LLL -6
LHH -1
HHH -8
LHL -5
HL0 -10
LHH -5
LLL +2
LLH +3
HLH +6
HLL +11
HHH +18
HHH +11
LLH +10
HHH +17
LLL +24
[/reveal]
Here's another example matrix.
stop-loss and stop wins should be set up before a session I believe
[reveal=]
LHL +3
HLH -4
HHH +3
LLL +2
HHL +1
LLL +4
HLH +1
HH0 -6
HHH -13
HHH -6
LLL -5
LLH -4
LLH -1
HLH +4
HLL +9
[/reveal]
Doing some more testing and I'm actually really liking this. Especially the fact that the downturns seem to be minimal.
[reveal=]
HHH
LHL +5
HHL +4
HHH -3
HHL -2
HHL -1
LHH +4
LLH +3
LHH +8
LH0 +3
HLH +6
L0L +9
LHH +14
HLH +11
HLL +16
LHH +21
HHL +22
LL0 +21
LHL +18
HHH +25
LLH +24
[/reveal]
+24
Anyone else wanna help in testing?
Hi Buff,
Nice idea and I'm liking those results. Looks simple - but devastatingly effective!
Keep rollin' :smile:
A.
LLH
LHL -3
LHH +2
HHL +3
HLH +0
LLH -1
LHL -4
HHH +3
LHL +6
I'm assuming you play the 1-2-4 out even if win on 1st or 2nd bet of the betting triplet, Right?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 07, 12:07 PM 2011
LLH
LHL -3
LHH +2
HHL +3
HLH +0
LLH -1
LHL -4
HHH +3
LHL +6
I'm assuming you play the 1-2-4 out even if win on 1st or 2nd bet of the betting triplet, Right?
A.
That's right A
Every line is 1,2,4 regardless of any result
Here's another really good run. Still trying to find a losing one!
[reveal=]
LHH
HLL +5
LLL -2
LLL -9
HLL -14
LHH -9
LLL -2
HHH +5
HLL +10
HLH +13
LLH +12
LHH +17
HLH +14
LLH +13
LHL +10
HLH +13
HLL +18
0HH +23
HLL +28
HHL +27
LLL +34
LHH +39
HLH +36
+36
[/reveal]
Still trying to find a horror session with this. However, this was the toughest so far and only pulled clear with the last 2 lines!
This one provided the largest drawdown so far that I've tested also...-21 not too bad
[reveal=]
LLH
L00 -7
LHL -10
LLH -9
HHH -2
H0H -9
HLH -12
LHL -9
HHH -2
LHH -7
HLH -10
H0L -9
LHL -12
LLH -11
LHL -14
LLL -21
HLH -18
LHL -15
LHL -18
LLH -17
HLL -12
HHH -5
LHL -2
LLH -1
HHL -2
L0H -7
HLL -12
0HH -7
LLH -8
LHL -11
HHL -12
HLL -7
HLH -4
LLH -5
H0H -2
LLL +5
HHH +12
[/reveal]
I like the looks of it BW.
Have you considered just betting the following line until you get a win or lose all three?
When I get time, I'll go back over some of your posts and see if it makes any difference.
G
Impressive results mate :thumbsup:
Cheers guys, it just keeps getting better
2 more sessions, here's the first!
[reveal=]
LLL
LLH +1
LLH +2
LLH +3
HLH +6
HLL +11
HHH +18
LLL +25
LLL +18
HLH +21
LLL +28
LLH +29
HHH +36
LHL +39
HHL +38
HHH +31
L0H +26
LLL +33
HHH +40
LHL +43
L0H +44
HHL +43
HLL +48
LHH +53
HLH +50
HHH +43
HLH +40
LLH +39
[/reveal]
Next...pretty good win margin by now, max drawdown still -21 so far
[reveal=]
0LH no qualifiers
HL0 no qualifiers
L0L
LLL -7
LHL -10
HHH -3
LLL +4
HHL +3
LHL +6
LHL +3
LHH +8
HLH +5
HLL +10
HLH +13
HHL +14
LHH +9
LLL +16
LLH +17
H0H +20
LLL +27
LLL +20
HHL +19
[/reveal]
And here comes the expected crash (a little extreme) 2 lots of 9 repeats of a high/low really ran this ragged, but we are still in the game and it will be interesting to see if this is as bad as it gets. Let's hope so
Remember this is an EC system, betting EVERY spin and never goes over 1,2,4
[reveal=]
HLL
HLH
0HH
HLL
LLL
LLL
LLL
HHL
HL0
HLL
LLH
LLL
HHL
HHL
LLL
LHL
LLL
HHH
LHH
LLH
LLH
HLH
HLH
HHL
LLL
LLL
LLL
LHL
LHH
HHH
HHH
HHL
HHL
0HH
HHL
HHH
-64
[/reveal]
This system is still holding up well. Would like some more testers aboard the good ship!
+25
[reveal=]
HLL
LHL
HHH
HLH
HLL
LHL
HHH
H0L
LLL
HLL
HHH
HLH
LHL
L0L
HHH
HLL
HLH
LLH
LLH
HHH
HLH
LHL
LLL
L0H
LLH
LHH
LHH
HLL +25
[/reveal]
BW
Could you run these stats for me plz ?
What would be the Profit +/- at the end ?
Thanks :thumbsup:
HLH
HLL
LLH
HLL
LHH
HLH
HLL
HHL
HHL
HLL
Another long session ending -25
Here's the total so far, including atlantis' amended total and twister's sample
+24
+9
+21
+13
+36
+12
+39
+19
-64
+25
-25
+21
+130
Is this going to be another system that always starts well, before a sudden death? Probably, but I will test it still further until it does so!
BW
Quote from: Twisteruk on Feb 07, 03:03 PM 2011
BW
Could you run these stats for me plz ?
What would be the Profit +/- at the end ?
Thanks :thumbsup:
HLH
HLL +5
LLH +6
HLL +11
LHH +16
HLH +13
HLL +18
HHL +17
HHL +16
HLL +21
Were they real spins Twister? If so I'll add it to the total!
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 03:05 PM 2011
Were they real spins Twister? If so I'll add it to the total!
Yes, real spins mate :thumbsup:
HLH
HLL +5
LLH +6
HLL +1
LHH +6
HLH +3
HLL +8
HHL +7
HHL +8
HLL +13
This should be the profit if I understand it correctly....but I got a different result then BW just posted up
Good stuff. Its real easy to work out the win/loss on each line as there are only a small amount of combinations
HLL <
LHH < these two are -5 or +5 if a win or loss, and also -1 or +1 if only win on the first H or L
LHL <
HLH < these two are -3 or +3 depending if win or loss
HHH < these two are -7 or +7
LLL <
Quote from: Big EZ on Feb 07, 03:08 PM 2011
HLH
HLL +5
LLH +6
HLL +1
LHH +6
HLH +3
HLL +8
HHL +7
HHL +8
HLL +13
This should be the profit if I understand it correctly....but I got a different result then Atlantis just posted up
You are right big EZ.
Thanks for spotting that one
I'll amend the total!
BW
NICE ONE BW,question are you using positive progression or negative.
@BW
If you win the 1st bet at 1u and win the 2nd bet at 2u do you still place the 3rd bet at 4u ?
Hoping for 3 in a row ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Feb 07, 03:44 PM 2011
@BW
If you win the 1st bet at 1u and win the 2nd bet at 2u do you still place the 3rd bet at 4u ?
Hoping for 3 in a row ?
That;s correct Twister...every line you bet 1,2,4 in that order.
BW,
I'm still at work being a few hours behind most of you guys.
I do intend to look at this a little, but that 64 unit loss has got my knees knocking a little.
G
Quote from: warrior on Feb 07, 03:23 PM 2011
NICE ONE BW,question are you using positive progression or negative.
It's positive Warrior, you're betting 1,2,4 on each line
H L L
Here you would bet 1 unit 2 units then 4 units on H H H as the previous line was L dominant and vice versa
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 03:49 PM 2011
That;s correct Twister...every line you bet 1,2,4 in that order.
Ok but I feel the need to ask,
Why risk the 4u on the 3rd bet if bets 1 and 2 have won ?
Thats +3 or -1
Or do I see it wrong ?
Dont get me wrong, just bouncing ideas :)
Quote from: GLC on Feb 07, 03:51 PM 2011
BW,
I'm still at work being a few hours behind most of you guys.
I do intend to look at this a little, but that 64 unit loss has got my knees knocking a little.
G
I know GLC,
It was disappointing, but then it could be the equivalent to a run of 11 or 12 EC's that would knock any EC system. It's how it recovers. 3 standard sessions have overcome that loss.
With more testing, we need to see how many losses such as this occur and how much they dent the overall.
BW
Hi Guys,
Well, I tested this for one 30-spin matrix so far. I did it at Bodog.com in "practice mode" (RGN).
Here are the results:
H L L
L L L
H L L
L L L
L L H
L L L
L L L
L L L
L H L
L L L TOTAL: +41 UNITS
Maybe it was so good because I was in "practice mode"....I don't know but I will continue testing to see what happens.
It looks promising.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: Twisteruk on Feb 07, 03:52 PM 2011
Ok but I feel the need to ask,
Why risk the 4u on the 3rd bet if bets 1 and 2 have won ?
that's +3 or -1
Or do I see it wrong ?
don't get me wrong, just bouncing ideas :)
No it's fine mate,
it's open to all suggestions. Catching the triple opposite is a really good feeling, and being an EC it all evens itself up
It can be much more mild...
A member from vls suggests 122 and stop after any win. Profits are less, but probably safer. The thing is with these questions....is it all just relative to the amount your betting?
I.E betting smaller amounts, losing/winning smaller amounts
betting larger amounts, losing/winning larger amounts?
Cheers
BW
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Feb 07, 03:59 PM 2011
Hi Guys,
Well, I tested this for one 30-spin matrix so far. I did it at Bodog.com in "practice mode" (RGN).
Here are the results:
H L L
L L L
H L L
L L L
L L H
L L L
L L L
L L L
L H L
L L L TOTAL: +41 UNITS
Maybe it was so good because I was in "practice mode"....I don't know but I will continue testing to see what happens.
It looks promising.
Scooby Doo
Scooby, 4 Highs in 30 spins?
I'm betting for the opposite so that would have been a horrendous session.
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 04:00 PM 2011
No it's fine mate,
it's open to all suggestions. Catching the triple opposite is a really good feeling, and being an EC it all evens itself up
It can be much more mild...
A member from VLS suggests 122 and stop after any win. Profits are less, but probably safer. The thing is with these questions....is it all just relative to the amount your betting?
I.E betting smaller amounts, losing/winning smaller amounts
betting larger amounts, losing/winning larger amounts?
Cheers
BW
Yes, its all relative.
But for me, IF you have won bets 1 and 2 (+3) why risk ending up -1 if you bet 4u on the 3rd bet ?
Anyway, its horses for courses and all eh ?
Good work bud :thumbsup:
Oops! I guess I was doing it wrong! If "H" was dominent in the three above, I bet "H"......but it's a good thing I did because there was a string of ten "L's" in a row.
Maybe going with the flow would prove to be better, since a string of EC's of six or more happens quite often....just my take on it.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Feb 07, 04:13 PM 2011
Oops! I guess I was doing it wrong! If "H" was dominent in the three above, I bet "H"......but it's a good thing I did because there was a string of ten "L's" in a row.
Maybe going with the flow would prove to be better, since a string of EC's of six or more happens quite often....just my take on it.
Scooby Doo
You would be amazed how many times ive seen "do the opposite to the system" and it have similar results !
Yeah scooby
it has crossed my mind to bet for repeats instead. I haven't had time to test it.
BW
Twister you're right, probably doesn't matter
for every
LLL
LLL
you'll see a
LLL
HHH
I will get round to going through the sessions with stopping after a 1,2 win though. May well cut out those -7 losses, especially in that -64 session
May make GLC shudder a little less!
BW
how about this parlay
1=1 return 3
2=3 5
3= 6 6
4=10 6
5=15 5
6=21 3
7=28 0
start over if you lose all 7 take the loss.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 04:21 PM 2011
Twister you're right, probably doesn't matter
for every
LLL
LLL
you'll see a
LLL
HHH
I will get round to going through the sessions with stopping after a 1,2 win though. May well cut out those -7 losses, especially in that -64 session
May make GLC shudder a little less!
BW
It would be good to see that revisited with that Mod, see if it pans out better :thumbsup:
You never know, and thats why we are all here to Test and support each other :)
Quote from: warrior on Feb 07, 04:27 PM 2011
How about this parlay
1=1 return 3
2=3 5
3= 6 6
4=10 6
5=15 5
6=21 3
7=28 0
start over if you lose all 7 take the loss.
Nice aggression warrior...good returns, will have to be looked into how many 7 losses we have run into
Thanks
BW
Using a stop after wins on first 1,2 progression
It minimises the hard session, but would it bring some of the winning sessions down to a relative margin also?
HLL
HLH +3
0HH -4
HLL +1
LLL -6
LLL -13
LLL -20
HHL -17
HL0 -20
HLL -25
LLH -24
LLL -31
HHL -28
HHL -27
LLL -20
LHL -23
LLL -30
HHH -23
LHH -28
LLH -25
LLH -24
HLH -21
HLH -24
HHL -23
LLL -14
LLL -21
LLL -28
LHL -31
LHH -26
HHH -33
HHH -40
HHL -39
HHL -38
0HH -45
HHL -44
HHH -51
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 04:31 PM 2011
Nice aggression warrior...good returns, will have to be looked into how many 7 losses we have run into
Thanks
BW
how many times it loses 7 and how many times it makes 30 units as a win and walk target.
original rules. progression 1,2,4.
all results are from real wheels.
Thanks Ophis
That closes the door on that one!
Could you run it through a different progression, such as Warriors suggestion?
Many thanks
BW
Dear Ophis,
You sure know how to liven up a party! :o :'( :'(
Quote from: GLC on Feb 07, 05:16 PM 2011
Dear Ophis,
You sure know how to liven up a party! :o :'( :'(
:-\ sorry.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 05:06 PM 2011
Thanks Ophis
That closes the door on that one!
Could you run it through a different progression, such as Warriors suggestion?
Many thanks
BW
Progression does not matter. Even if i will make 30 step progression it wont help.
umm. i will may actualy check whats the LLR.
What does LLR stand for?
LLR = Longest Losing Run
A.
Thanks A
LLR so far in testing has been 10 Ophis.
BW
Just kidding Ophis,
Better to know before we invest a lot of time testing by hand just to have the bad runs start adding up until we finally have to admit that this may not work in the long run.
But, this is a good system. Sometimes I wonder if there isn't a way to play this to win on a regular basis.
We know that any system that is played continuously will succumb to the house edge. Any yet there are people who swear that they win at roulette.
If you can beat it with a good system, why can't you beat it with any good system?
And, can those same people take this system and play it in such a way as to eke out a win on a regular basis?
These are questions I would like to have answered.
G
Quote from: ophis on Feb 07, 05:19 PM 2011
:-\ sorry.
Progression does not matter. Even if I will make 30 step progression it wont help.
umm. I will may actualy check what's the LLR.
try and see how many times it makes30 units and see how many time it loses 7 in a row thanks.
I just had a little session of this in real play.
But what i did was this
HHL
I want Low. But i wait for a virtual loss.
HHL
H <-----Here my virtual loss
So i can bet 2 times for low with either 1,2 or 1,1 for 2 spins
I wait for a virtual loss with every line ONLY at start of bet.
Now if i see this HHH or LLL i miss the next line as could form a long series of Highs or Lows. I just ride this out and wait for it to get more choppy again until a virtual win
Probably wont hold up , but just an idea.
Cheers Mate :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 10, 09:20 PM 2011
Probably wont hold up , but just an idea.
It didn't :-[
Oh well , sorry to hear mate,
But thanks for trying it out!
BW