Okay to start off this is Scooby doos brainchild. I think its excellent for two main reasons. ONE, it addresses the problem MATRIX VERTICAL has for betting pace on a live wheel. And TWO, you know that you are going to be playing the odds of random. And not a generated predatory RNG.
THE RULES
(01) We are using a 3 wide 10 deep grid for this method.
(02) We are playing against 5 trebles in a row forming
(03) We record spins until a vertical treble forms. We then place that treble to the top left of our proposed 3 by 10 grid as in the example below. This becomes our trigger
300
300
300=TRIGGER
000
000
002
002
001=WIN
000
000
000
DOING THIS ALLOWS US To MAXIMIZE our play in the grid.
(04) We are using the classic four step progression 1--3--9--27--x2=80pts risk, newbies could use Atlantis excellent 40 unit risk on live wheels that alow a minumum of 1 unit for total bets. I.E COVER THE LINES OF THE TWO OPPOSING DOZENS.
4X25P--4X75p--4x2.25p--4x6.75p=total 40 units risk
(05) We stop at a win OR if it happens a loss of four steps.
(06) Most wins will occur within the 30 spin grid. If however it is necessary to go beyond it to complete a session then you do so.
SO THOSE ARE THE CONCRETE RULES OF *MATRIX VERTICAL 30 LIVE ATTACK*
I will begin posting results soon as I garner them, for this to be a successful method for me. I would expect a 200/1 strikerate overall. Lets see if I get it...Anyone interested in this method, ask as many questions as you need to, to fully understand it. I am sure its creator will have plenty of input to add. MANY THANKS... ;)
Hi Guys,
As Johnlegend has mentioned, this method can be played on LIVE WHEELS. I have no idea if you will have 200 wins before a loss or not...You might even have a loss before that but remember that it depends where you jumped in on the cycle. You might have a quick loss and then no more losses for 300 or more sessions. Time will tell but I think it has great possibilities.
Lets give it some more testing and see where this takes us.
Scooby Doo
Thanks Scooby and John,
First Test (Real Numbers)
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233
232
322
222--Trigger
222--L2u@pos2
131--W3u@pos1
End Session +1
A.
PS. How do you deal with the ZERO?
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 16, 02:15 PM 2011
Thanks Scooby and John,
First Test (Real Numbers)
==================
233
232
322
222--Trigger
222--L2u@pos2
131--W3u@pos1
End Session +1
A.
PS. How do you deal with the ZERO?
Evening Atlantis, as its only a 30 spin grid. And you average one zero per 50 spins I have (and Scooby hasn't mentioned anything either) decided to ignore the house edge. In my first 27 tests. Zero has had no impact. It made up one treble, I still played and won on my first step. Scooby has nailed this for live play. I am excited as live play is where I began. Although I still see MATRIX VERTICAL as the way to beat RNGS...
Hi All,
I want to make sure I fully understand this, is it played the same as Matrix Vertical, except it is now 3 columns instead of 7.
I have attached a scorecard and it would be great if someone could play a very quick session with maybe two triggers showing up.
Thanks
malcop
TEST:
1
1
1 2 2<--Trigger (1's)
2 2 2
1 3 3<-- Two Winners = +2
Hi guys,
Great stuff, I'm liking it! I'll have to look back at some actuals and see how many 5 trips I can see in this type of grid.
T = trigger
L = loss
W = win
123
133
130 T,L
322 W
311
112
131
213
223
133
133 T
211 W
313
221
331
332
333 T,L
121
322
311 W
Test #2
1 0 0
1 0 0
1 3 1<-- Trigger (1's)
2 3 2
1 1 1<--Winner +1
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Feb 16, 02:44 PM 2011
TEST:
1
1
1 2 2<--Trigger (1's)
2 2 2
1 3 3<-- Two Winners = +2
Scooby, so after the trigger triple, are you betting on every double within the matrix frame or just for the one win before looking for another virtual? thanks
Hi Guys,
@ BuffaloWizard....No but since it was right next to my win and ready to play, I chanced it (And won) But you should just play for one win. Sorry for the confusion.
Scooby Doo
Another Test:
1 3 2
3 0 2
3 0 2<-- Trigger (2's)
3 3 1<-- Loss = -2 (3's)
1 3 2
1 2 <-- Win = +1
Test #4
3 1 1
3 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 2
1 2 1
2 2 1
1 2 2<-- Trigger (2's) Winner +1 (third Colume)
Total: +5
Test #5
1 1 3
1 1 1
1 0 2<-- Trigger...Loss on Zero (-2)
2 3 2
2 1 1
2 3 2<-- Loss -8
2 2 3
1 3 3
1 3 1<-- Win -1
Total: +6
Come on Guys,
Don't make me be the only tester. We need to see a lot of results.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Feb 16, 03:33 PM 2011
Come on Guys,
Don't make me be the only tester. We need to see a lot of results.
Scooby Doo
Don't worry Scooby tomorrow is MATRIX 3 DAY. I'm going to see if it can survive 200 in a row :'(
332
111
322
113
331
212
120
231
212
232
213 W +1
Damn, just had this from some actuals. Guess it can happen
323
211
323
123
123 T,L
123 L
233
122
323
223 L
333 L
312
212 W
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 16, 04:51 PM 2011
Darn, just had this from some actuals. Guess it can happen
323
211
323
123
123 T,L
123 L
233
122
323
223 L
333 L
312
212 W
It can always happen buff, I'm only accepting a loss from where this method is to be played. LIVE WHEELS. Have never trusted simulators, random.org, bots. They don't truly mimick random. THEY SHUFFLE NUMBERS. I want 200/1 on a live wheel I'm 45/0 as I write this...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 16, 04:57 PM 2011
It can always happen buff, I'm only accepting a loss from where this method is to be played. LIVE WHEELS. Have never trusted simulators, random.org, bots. They don't truly mimick random. THEY SHUFFLE NUMBERS. I want 200/1 on a live wheel I'm 45/0 as I write this...
This was from actuals from my local b & m casino in brighton mate. Sure, it can happen and I probably just got very unlucky, but best to be cautious in all approaches.
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Feb 16, 03:33 PM 2011
Come on Guys,
Don't make me be the only tester. We need to see a lot of results.
Scooby Doo
Scooby,
As soon as I know 100% how to play this I will be happy to do lots of testing but at this moment I time I can't
Thanks
malcop
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 16, 05:05 PM 2011
This was from actuals from my local b & m casino in brighton mate. Sure, it can happen and I probably just got very unlucky, but best to be cautious in all approaches.
Okay Buff you caught a loss now we need to find out how often they happen. Because of the time and progression involved. 200/1 is the minumum strikerate I can accept. If I get close 180/1 I'll consider it. But if its only a break even affair. I'll use it with 2 triggers. ;D
Sorry guys I think I got it now, I had just got back from the pub with my girlfriend, and for some reason after a few beers it all makes sense now. :-[
Thanks for this live wheel friendly version. I have actualy been keeping my eye on the trebles/quads on a 3 line Matrix whilst testing BWs Matrix turbo ;)
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 16, 04:51 PM 2011
Darn, just had this from some actuals. Guess it can happen
323
211
323
123
123 T,L
123 L
233
122
323
223 L
333 L
312
212 W
JohnLegend wrote:
Quote
Okay Buff you caught a loss now we need to find out how often they happen. Because of the time and progression involved. 200/1 is the minumum strikerate I can accept. If I get close 180/1 I'll consider it. But if its only a break even affair. I'll use it with 2 triggers.
Played it with two CONSECUTIVE triggers (no intervening doubles that didn't form trebles!)
312
321
313--Trigger #1 (pos1)
213
311--Trigger #2 (pos2) ; W1u (pos3)
013
A.
Again with real numbers from live wheel:
133
132
333--Trigger#1 (pos2)
112
331
130
112--Trigger cancelled (pos2)
111--Trigger#1 (pos1)
322--Trigger cancelled (pos2)
111
232
232
332--Trigger#1 (pos2) ; Trigger#2 (pos3)
231
213
312--W1u (pos1)
+1
A.
Here is BW's losing session with 2 consecutive triggers applied:
323
211
323
123
123--Trigger#1 (pos2) ; Trigger#2 (pos3)
123--L2u (pos1)
233
122
323
223--L6u (pos2)
333--L18u (pos3)
312
212--W27u (pos1)
+1
A.
Two more games (continuous spins) using restart grid after a win.
121
223
321--Trigger#1 (pos2)
322
231
222
313--Trigger Cancelled (pos1)
333
313--Trigger#1 (pos1); Trigger#2 (pos3)
313
222--W1u (pos1)
+1
--Restart Grid
313
323
213--Trigger#1 (pos3)
332
313
201--Trigger Cancelled (pos1)
023
121
322--Trigger#1 (pos2)
211
113
323--Trigger Cancelled (pos2)
321
311--Trigger#1 (pos3); Trigger Cancelled (pos2)
132
131
133--Trigger#1 (pos1); Trigger#2 (pos2)
233
222--W1u (pos3)
+1
--Restart Grid
+2 in 90 spins
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 17, 06:19 AM 2011
Two more games (continuous spins) using restart grid after a win.
121
223
321--Trigger#1 (pos2)
322
231
222
313--Trigger Cancelled (pos1)
333
313--Trigger#1 (pos1); Trigger#2 (pos3)
313
222--W1u (pos1)
+1
--Restart Grid
313
323
213--Trigger#1 (pos3)
332
313
201--Trigger Cancelled (pos1)
023
121
322--Trigger#1 (pos2)
211
113
323--Trigger Cancelled (pos2)
321
311--Trigger#1 (pos3); Trigger Cancelled (pos2)
132
131
133--Trigger#1 (pos1); Trigger#2 (pos2)
233
222--W1u (pos3)
+1
--Restart Grid
+2 in 90 spins
A.
Nice work Atlantis. I have two ideas for either protecting profits or prolonging a winning streak I will discuss them with scooby if he is in agreement we will implement them into the rules. You've already tried one with the double trigger sweet... ;D
Another game with the double trigger rule:
203
312
223
111
333
221
232
123
310
213
133
111
323
231
233
113
011
113--Trigger#1 (pos2)
322
323
123--Trigger Cancelled (pos1); Trigger#1 (pos2)
233--Trigger#2 (pos3)
123
321
313--W1u (pos2)
+1 (75 spins)
A.
PS. I like this system, Scooby - but maybe now with the double trigger this would work good and more speedily on r.n.g. too? (eg: BV nozero rng)
Here's one tested on BV nozero r.n.g
212
313
212--Trigger#1 (pos2)
331
312
211--Trigger cancelled (pos1)
333
211
331
232
323
332
112
223
332
211
112
231
322
131
321
312
213
331
131
313
213
312--Trigger#1 (pos2)
322
313--Trigger#2 (pos1) ; W1u (pos3)
Long wait for triggers - but no probs using autospin (fastspin)
Again a win on the first bet.
+1 in 90 spins.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 17, 11:36 AM 2011
Here's one tested on BV nozero r.n.g
212
313
212--Trigger#1 (pos2)
331
312
211--Trigger cancelled (pos1)
333
211
331
232
323
332
112
223
332
211
112
231
322
131
321
312
213
331
131
313
213
312--Trigger#1 (pos2)
322
313--Trigger#2 (pos1) ; W1u (pos3)
Long wait for triggers - but no probs using autospin (fastspin)
Again a win on the first bet.
+1 in 90 spins.
A.
Old Chinese proverb say, better to wait for success than rush to FAILURE,
I have now played 120 games of Scoobies excellent MATRIX 3. All wins and not a single one has pressed me to the fourth step yet here is the breakdown.
TOTAL WINS 120
TOTAL POINTS 240
LOSSES ZERO
STEP1----93
STEP2----24
STEP3----3
STEP4----0
On a live wheel its a whole different ball game literally. You are playing random. Not a generated predator. And the results are very consistent as a result. I just love the vastly improved pace and turnover of MATRIX 3. It works and its fast enough to play 5---10 sessions a day on a live wheel. Very well done Scooby. If this generates a strikerate anywhere near what I hope for longterm (over the next 6 months) It will become my main method. I would encourage every single person on this forum to at least have a go.
You will love the pace and winning consistency for live wheels and slingshot wheels. The testing goes on. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 18, 06:11 PM 2011
I have now played 120 games of Scoobies excellent MATRIX 3. All wins and not a single one has pressed me to the fourth step yet here is the breakdown.
TOTAL WINS 120
TOTAL POINTS 240
LOSSES ZERO
STEP1----93
STEP2----24
STEP3----3
STEP4----0
On a live wheel its a whole different ball game literally. You are playing random. Not a generated predator. And the results are very consistent as a result. I just love the vastly improved pace and turnover of MATRIX 3. It works and its fast enough to play 5---10 sessions a day on a live wheel. Very well done Scooby. If this generates a strikerate anywhere near what I hope for longterm (over the next 6 months) It will become my main method. I would encourage every single person on this forum to at least have a go.
You will love the pace and winning consistency for live wheels and slingshot wheels. The testing goes on. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Great news - it's looking strong so far. Thanks for your report.
A.
Very empressive results John. I been busy playing with the Matrix Turbo but need to test this baby soooon :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 19, 07:33 AM 2011
Very empressive results John. I been busy playing with the Matrix Turbo but need to test this baby soooon :thumbsup:
Its fantastic Zig Zag, I'm a purist although ive always wanted to find an RNG killer (and I think matrix vertical is) My heart and roots lay with TRUE RANDOM. And that will always be a real wheel.
Matrix VERTICAL in its 7x7 format is too slow for live wheels. Quads too, don't form as often on a live wheel. Scooby realized this and addressed it perfectly with the 3 wide matrix concentrating on trips instead of quads.
And I'll tell you that is a masterstroke. As trips don't even form TOO OFTEN ON A REAL WHEEL.
Have played 7 sessions already today and only one of them was a double trip. Requiring me to go to step 2 of the progression for a win...
Played 4 sessions on BV nozero r.n.g (playing with 2 consecutive triggers on rng)
4 wins:
+1 in 58 spins - 1st bet
+1 in 46 spins - 1st bet
+1 in 47 spins - 1st bet
+1 in 34 spins - 1st bet
:)
Restarted the software after each win.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 10:55 AM 2011
Played 4 sessions on BV nozero r.n.g (playing with 2 consecutive triggers on rng)
4 wins:
+1 in 58 spins - 1st bet
+1 in 46 spins - 1st bet
+1 in 47 spins - 1st bet
+1 in 34 spins - 1st bet
:)
Restarted the software after each win.
A.
Nice work Atlantis, and on an RNG...Have played all my MATRIX 3 sessions for the day, I will update total performance twice a week. But I am loving this MATRIX. ;D
Guys,
I have nothing negative to say about this bet selection method. I will say that sometimes, and I've done it a lot, we create twists and turns in our paths that make us think we are escaping the bad guys, but they know that if they go down below the fenced-in area, we will eventually have to go right past them and they can pick us off one by one. In other words, it's possible that all roads lead to Rome.
I just looked through about 15,000 live spins, not consecutive spins, but around 300 spins sessions, and I found about 40 times that 2 doubles turned to trips 5 times before one didn't (this includes trips that were formed by a zero hitting). I think that represents this method. If this is a normal ratio, it appears that we could flat bet and win with this method, so I may have a favorable series of spins.
I'm just not too sure that creating the matrix changes things in the long run. I don't think it hurts anything, it just may be a lot of tracking for nothing. I think having doubles form trips 5 times without a double not forming a trip in between is a pretty rare event to start with. How long would you have to play it to see if it really is a long term winner. It looks like playing without the matrix, I had 100 wins for each 80 unit loss which would leave me +20 units.
I agree that if we can improve that to say 200 wins for every loss, it's a contender for the championship. And, it would definitely make the tracking worthwhile. As I write and think, I may be talking myself into disagreeing with myself about the matrix.
Okay, so this post is for information only. Use it if you can, chuck it if you can't.
Believe me, I have the utmost respect for everyone working on this system and am not trying to derail it in any way. We all know that we have to consider every possibility with a system. They are so fickle. This was going to be my 2 cents worth, but now I've cut it back to 1 cent worth.
cheers,
George
Quote from: GLC on Feb 19, 11:40 AM 2011
Guys,
I have nothing negative to say about this bet selection method. I will say that sometimes, and I've done it a lot, we create twists and turns in our paths that make us think we are escaping the bad guys, but they know that if they go down below the fenced-in area, we will eventually have to go right past them and they can pick us off one by one. In other words, it's possible that all roads lead to Rome.
I just looked through about 15,000 live spins, not consecutive spins, but around 300 spins sessions, and I found about 40 times that 2 doubles turned to trips 5 times before one didn't (this includes trips that were formed by a zero hitting). I think that represents this method. If this is a normal ratio, it appears that we could flat bet and win with this method, so I may have a favorable series of spins.
I'm just not too sure that creating the matrix changes things in the long run. I don't think it hurts anything, it just may be a lot of tracking for nothing. I think having doubles form trips 5 times without a double not forming a trip in between is a pretty rare event to start with. How long would you have to play it to see if it really is a long term winner. It looks like playing without the matrix, I had 100 wins for each 80 unit loss which would leave me +20 units.
I agree that if we can improve that to say 200 wins for every loss, it's a contender for the championship. And, it would definitely make the tracking worthwhile. As I write and think, I may be talking myself into disagreeing with myself about the matrix.
Okay, so this post is for information only. Use it if you can, chuck it if you can't.
Believe me, I have the utmost respect for everyone working on this system and am not trying to derail it in any way. We all know that we have to consider every possibility with a system. They are so fickle. This was going to be my 2 cents worth, but now I've cut it back to 1 cent worth.
cheers,
George
GLC, what I think is this, having that set format to analyze the behaviour of random or RNG helps you to focus a lot more. Than simply writing down spins and results. Plus the real worth is the law of averages behaves beautifully within the matrixes. Let me give you an illustration of this from two results I had for MATRIX 3 today.
1/3/2
2/3/3
1/3/3---TRIGGER COLUMN 2
1/3/1---WINNER COLUMN 3--STEP1
2/3/2
3/2/2
1/3/1
1/2/2
1/2/3---TRIGGER COLUMN 1
2/1/2---WINNER COLUMN 2--STEP1---SESSION COMPLETE
13 MATCHES--17 NON-MATCHES--Poor performance for non-matches with matches gaining almost 50 percent of the pie. now look what the law of averages does in the very next session of 30.
3/0/2
2/1/2
3/1/3
2/1/2---TRIGGER COLUMN 2
1/3/3
1/2/2
3/3/1---WINNER COLUMN 1--STEP1
3/2/2
2/2/1
1/1/1---SESSION COMPLETE
7 MATCHES--22 NON-MATCHES--1 ZERO. You can see how things often re-balance especially ON A REAL WHEEL. Where there is no monkey business going on. ;D
Quote from: GLC on Feb 19, 11:40 AM 2011
How long would you have to play it to see if it really is a long term winner. It looks like playing without the matrix, I had 100 wins for each 80 unit loss which would leave me +20 units.
Hi George,
Your thoughts and concerns are valid.
I think it is the matrix 3 which underpins this. Would your result have been DIFFERENT OR BETTER if playing using the MATRIX? (and remember using 1 or 2 triggers first?)
Would be great if we had a tracker to test this too.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 19, 12:10 PM 2011
Hi George,
Your thoughts and concerns are valid.
I think it is the matrix 3 which underpins this. Would your result have been DIFFERENT OR BETTER if playing using the MATRIX? (and remember using 1 or 2 triggers first?)
Would be great if we had a tracker to test this too.
A.
I can see 150--200/1 easily on a real wheel people. I am playing without step 4 of the progression now too. So I am more open to losing. My thinking is recovering 52 points is a lot easier than 160. And what I will do when I eventually see 4 trips is immediately double my stakes for the very next 10 games ONLY. That will pull back most of the loss. So long as I don't meet two close losses LoL.
I have decided to tweak the progression because so many of my hits are being attained on the first two steps of the progression. Plus for the time you put into playing. You want the fastest route to recovery possible. :o :o :o
he guys al that testing what would you recommend the one triple trigger or the double triple trigger?
because i thought it would take to long to wait for a double trigger
and a single gave me some good results on live spins.
and should i use the last step of the progression 27-27 or just leave it and take the lose of 26 just asking
Quote from: Post on Feb 21, 05:54 PM 2011
He guys al that testing what would you recommend the one triple trigger or the double triple trigger?
because I thought it would take to long to wait for a double trigger
and a single gave me some good results on live spins.
and should I use the last step of the progression 27-27 or just leave it and take the lose of 26 just asking
Hi Post. You could wait all day for a double trigger on a live wheel.
I'm still winning with this. I keep it to short sessions i.e i never go beyond 10 DEEP of the matrix unless i'm already in play. Not going beyond 10 deep playing both dozens and coloms usually only gives me 2 triggers/2 wins per short session on average.
I like to give the wheel as little window as possible to hit me with a 5 in a row
At moment i'm testing with a 4 stage progression just to see how far i can go, but for safety i would say Johns way is probably better with just a three stage, and double your chips for 10 bets for recovery.
How many sessions so far have you done and whats your highest bet so far?
I only done 30 sessions so far. Only once as it hit 3rd. In fact this would make a great flatbet as the hit rate is quite remarkable.
so we wait for 1 trigger triple and then bet doubles not to become a triple ?
I wait for 1 triple as a trigger.
324
231
233
211 -------Triple 2nd doz vertical. Your tracker will show this as a W
321
223
323 ---------Lose Tracker will show this as a W
211 ---------Win on second step of progresstion. Tracker shows this as a L
I track both dozens and columns BUT I DONT bet on both at same time
Only thing to kill me is
W
W
W
W
W
on the tracker for each doz line or column
Maybe others do this differently. Atlantis only bets on dozens
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 21, 06:35 PM 2011
Hi Post. You could wait all day for a double trigger on a live wheel.
I'm still winning with this. I keep it to short sessions i.e I never go beyond 10 DEEP of the matrix unless i'm already in play. Not going beyond 10 deep playing both dozens and coloms usually only gives me 2 triggers/2 wins per short session on average.
I like to give the wheel as little window as possible to hit me with a 5 in a row
At moment i'm testing with a 4 stage progression just to see how far I can go, but for safety I would say Johns way is probably better with just a three stage, and double your chips for 10 bets for recovery.
How many sessions so far have you done and what's your highest bet so far?
I only done 30 sessions so far. Only once as it hit 3rd. In fact this would make a great flatbet as the hit rate is quite remarkable.
zig zag well done ur learning how to win longterm I'm 168/0 with this single trigger ;D ;D
Been taken to step 3 five times but haven't lost 26PTS BANK YET! As zig zag said get ur profit and close it down he's got it. >:( >:( >:( ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 22, 03:32 PM 2011
Been taken to step 3 five times but haven't lost 26PTS BANK YET! As zig zag said get your profit and close it down he's got it. >:( >:( >:( ;D
168/0 is a wonderful achievement - and pleased to hear the 26pt bank is holding up too.
I've been testing today MATRIX30 with some additional triggers and had some really good results over in the "Alternative Matrix" thread in the Notepad section.
What you think on that idea, John?
I certainly agree about getting your profit then closing out the game when you've got it!!
A.
Hi Atlantis yes short sessions are the secret to a long winning streak, I dodged a 4 trip yesterday. Had I stayed on for another 30 spins, still haven't seen a 5 trip. I'm risking 26pts as recovery that will be much easier than 80. So stable is this method strikes are coming on the 1st & 2nd step after the trigger frequently. If I can even average out a strikerate of 50/1 with the 3 step I'll be very happy. This is Scoobies masterpiece of system play live. Keep experimenting, and HEY what happenned to the TWISTER??????
Hi John. I was worried you went bust on this as haven't seen you here for a while with any results. Glad to hear your still winning with this. Shot sessions is the key :smile:
I will be adopting your recovery method soon as my bank grows to try protect it.
Are you playing columns as well?
I've only just got my head around what GLC and Atlantis are doing with an alternative Matrix but not had much time to test as yet, but looks great with lot of triggers :thumbsup:
Yeah where is Twister?
Twisteruk was in the forum earlier..................reading.
Maybe he's real busy work wise. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 22, 04:40 PM 2011
Hi John. I was worried you went bust on this as haven't seen you here for a while with any results. Glad to hear your still winning with this. Shot sessions is the key :smile:
I will be adopting your recovery method soon as my bank grows to try protect it.
Are you playing columns as well?
I've only just got my head around what GLC and Atlantis are doing with an alternative Matrix but not had much time to test as yet, but looks great with lot of triggers :thumbsup:
Yeah where is Twister?
No Zig Zag, this is all I do, I run 4 methods. Don't suppose you remember THE ZONE? Well I still use it, and through testing another one of Scoobies methods found a way to make it more accessable, appealing and stable. Im going to re-introduce it as the ZONE perfected over the weekend. Imagine what we are doing here with a SINGLE DOZEN and only 6 points on the line. Yes, the ZONE PERFECTED, MATRIX 49, and now MATRIX 3. Are my methods. I've left the MATRIX vertical 4 quad on the backburner at 255/0 its fantastic.
But I always favour true random. And I've got 3 solid methods to profit from live play now. Haven't checked out what GLC and Atlantis are up to yet. But, if it holds up for another fortnight I will. Have called it a day with
MATRIX 3 at 170/0
MATRIX 49 6,344 units up
And the one that's going to throw a spanner in the works
THE ZONE PERFECTED 78 units up. ;D ;D
Yes I remember the zone but at the time I was betting the RBRBR ZIGZAG runs
hence my name :LoL:
I'm really excited to hear you have made the zone even better. Wow would be great to go into a real casino armed with 5 different roulette killers.
I should stop watching those Bond movies :-[
Hi guys, Im still here ;D
Havent had the time to devote to testing/playing this last week or so
I keep myself up to date with your posts and how ell ure doing :thumbsup:
I just tested 1000 real spins from the site :.spielbank-wiesbaden.de (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de)
with the methode wait for a triple and then bet against it forming again.
I only played till the third part of the progression 1-1 3-3 and the last 9-9
I didn't even saw a single loss. I was up 41 after the spins is that about right ?
Hi Twister. Good to see your interest. Hope to see some more results from you soon :smile:
Quote from: Post on Feb 23, 10:14 AM 2011
I just tested 1000 real spins from the site :.spielbank-wiesbaden.de (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de)
with the methode wait for a triple and then bet against it forming again.
I only played till the third part of the progression 1-1 3-3 and the last 9-9
I didn't even saw a single loss. I was up 41 after the spins is that about right ?
Hi Post I got to last stage of progression once. Slingshot roulette Betting the columns
Update: I have stopped playing columns now. taking me to second step too many times, third step twice and 4th once. Dozens seem more steady. No dozen has taken me past the second step as yet.
Playing on real wheel now with dealer. :thumbsup:
I did hit the last step 3 or 4 times though
but playing like this means like 1 unit profit every 25 spins or so after looking into my sessions is that about right ?
Another easy way to try is to bet only after a vertical trigger triple:
TRIGGERS
========
1
1
1
2
2
2
or
3
3
3
I like it because it is simple and not too different to the original MATRIX30
Unlike MATRIX30 which waits for ANY doublet after ANY one of the three triple triggers; instead only play that a MATCHING doublet will not form another triple...
For example if you get a vertical trigger 2-2-2 then next time you get vertical 2-2 (matching doublet) play against the treble forming.
WIN or LOSE you must wait for the next vertical triple 2-2-2 to form before you can again bet on 2-2 not forming a triple.
Example using some previous numbers:
232
132
121
123--Trigger 1-1-1
211
313
132--W1@1-1-3 [RESET TRIGGER 1's]
333
231
322
331
311--Trigger 3-3-3
321--Trigger 1-1-1
323
123--W1@3-3-1 [RESET TRIGGER 3's] ; Trigger 2-2-2
122
223--W1@1-1-2 [RESET TRIGGER 1's]
131--W1@2-2-3 [RESET TRIGGER 2's]
122
232
123
223
323--Trigger 3-3-3
323--Trigger 2-2-2
332--W1@3-3-2 [RESET TRIGGER 3's]
333--Trigger 3-3-3
113--W1@3-3-1 [RESET TRIGGER 3's]
222
+6u
All 6 bets won on first step.
A.
so atlantis your idea is to have a single trigger for each dozen so only bet 3 if you had a triple of 3 and so also for the dozens 1 and 2
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 23, 11:07 AM 2011
Another easy way to try is to bet only after a vertical trigger triple:
TRIGGERS
========
1
1
1
2
2
2
or
3
3
3
I like it because it is simple and not too different to the original MATRIX30
Unlike MATRIX30 which waits for ANY doublet after ANY one of the three triple triggers; instead only play that a MATCHING doublet will not form another triple...
For example if you get a vertical trigger 2-2-2 then next time you get vertical 2-2 (matching doublet) play against the treble forming.
WIN or LOSE you must wait for the next vertical triple 2-2-2 to form before you can again bet on 2-2 not forming a triple.
Example using some previous numbers:
232
132
121
123--Trigger 1-1-1
211
313
132--W1@1-1-3 [RESET TRIGGER 1's]
333
231
322
331
311--Trigger 3-3-3
321--Trigger 1-1-1
323
123--W1@3-3-1 [RESET TRIGGER 3's] ; Trigger 2-2-2
122
223--W1@1-1-2 [RESET TRIGGER 1's]
131--W1@2-2-3 [RESET TRIGGER 2's]
122
232
123
223
323--Trigger 3-3-3
323--Trigger 2-2-2
332--W1@3-3-2 [RESET TRIGGER 3's]
333--Trigger 3-3-3
113--W1@3-3-1 [RESET TRIGGER 3's]
222
+6u
All won on first bet.
A.
Yes Atlantis thats how i play this. After a win i wait for another tripple as a trigger. :thumbsup: Your Alternative matrix is looking quite solid as a flat bet.
1 Unit for every 25 spins, seems ok to me. Usualy in a 10 deep Matrix of 30 spins i get about 1 or 2 triggers + bets in
but do you also wait for another trigger after a loss ?
Hi Post,
Yes. When you get say,
3
3
3
Next time you see the next vertical double 3, and that doublet of threes is not be formed from the numbers composing any previous identified triple, like 3-3-3 above e.g.:
3
3
You bet against the dozen 3 completing the triple !
Win or lose you must then wait for a 3-3-3 vertical triplet to happen again before you can bet on a subsequent matching double 3-3 not completing a triple...
Hope you get it.
A.
I get it al the way but do you still use the progression ?
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 23, 10:49 AM 2011
Hi Twister. Good to see your interest. Hope to see some more results from you soon :smile:
Hi Post I got to last stage of progression once. Slingshot roulette Betting the columns
Update: I have stopped playing columns now. taking me to second step too many times, third step twice and 4th once. Dozens seem more steady. No dozen has taken me past the second step as yet.
Playing on real wheel now with dealer. :thumbsup:
Hi ZIG Zag, today got my first 4 trip, it came on the 173rd game. Have played a total of 180 games now. I played 174--180 at double stakes (52pts). So I've pulled back 14 points of the 26 POINT LOSS. Here is an update of my first 180 games.
STEP 1=109 WINS
STEP 2=64 WINS
STEP 3=6 WINS---1 LOSS
POINTS WON 186
POINTS LOST 26
BALANCE=160
Still very pleased was hoping to make it to 200 wins. But every method has to lose sometimes. Will try to recoup 12 points tomorrow.
And nice to see Twister is still here.
Quote from: Post on Feb 23, 11:22 AM 2011
I get it al the way but do you still use the progression ?
I only played it flatbetting so far.
I think might need 3 separate banks (one for each triple) for loss recovery - or you could accept the loss and play on until in profit (extend the matrix downwards)
I'm really undecided on best way forward with a progression just now...?
Thanks,
A.
I think i ust use the 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression seperate on each dozen and always wait for a trigger after a loss or win. but doesnt that takes to long ?
Altlantis i just double checked sorry. Your way of playing the matrix30 is a different way to mine. Looks really good idea to play like that. Dose it do well flatbetting? :smile:
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 23, 11:35 AM 2011
Altlantis I just double checked sorry. Your way of playing the matrix30 is a different way to mine. Looks really good idea to play like that. Dose it do well flatbetting? :smile:
Hey Zigzag,
Yes it is slightly different and a little more strict - but you can get more bets this way.
As to your question, I do not know as I have only really come up with this slight variation on MATRIX30 today so not done much testing as of yet.
It is still simple to understand and play and I expect similar results hit/rate to the original so maybe can do good flatbetting?
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 23, 11:24 AM 2011
Hi ZIG Zag, today got my first 4 trip, it came on the 173rd game. Have played a total of 180 games now. I played 174--180 at double stakes (52pts). So I've pulled back 14 points of the 26 POINT LOSS. Here is an update of my first 180 games.
STEP 1=109 WINS
STEP 2=64 WINS
STEP 3=6 WINS---1 LOSS
POINTS WON 186
POINTS LOST 26
BALANCE=160
Still very pleased was hoping to make it to 200 wins. But every method has to lose sometimes. Will try to recoup 12 points tomorrow.
Hi John. I'm sure you will easy recoup that in a few sessions. I was thinging of appying just a 2 step progression 1-1, 3-3 and then on a loss use a full 4 step progression as recovery. Would recover 3 wins per sesson in 3 short sessions. What you think?
I will definatly do some testing tonight after watching the footy. Aim for maybe +3 each session maybe
Hi Post. With the matrix numbers Atlantis posted can you show how you would usualy play this?
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 23, 11:44 AM 2011
Hi John. I'm sure you will easy recoup that in a few sessions. I was thinging of appying just a 2 step progression 1-1, 3-3 and then on a loss use a full 4 step progression as recovery. Would recover 3 wins per sesson in 3 short sessions. What you think?
Thats an idea as even 3 TRIPS don't happen too often. Hey 172/1 isn't bad. Now want to see how long I go before the next 4 Or more trip. It will take 1,000s of games ZIG ZAG to get an idea of the strike rate. But ive never had a method with a 172 wins before loss. I think 26pts is about right ZIG ZAG. I'm really liking this method. I will update every 40 games I. Play. :-\
ZigZag I just played wait for a triple and bet any couple after that against it becoming a triple and progression 1-1 3-3 9-9 standard. just like that
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 23, 11:56 AM 2011
Hey 172/1 isn't bad.
I think i could just about sleep at night with that result ;D
Quote from: Post on Feb 23, 12:11 PM 2011
ZigZag I just played wait for a triple and bet any couple after that against it becoming a triple and progression 1-1 3-3 9-9 standard. just like that
Yep thats fine. :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 23, 11:07 AM 2011
Another easy way to try is to bet only after a vertical trigger triple:
TRIGGERS
========
1
1
1
2
2
2
or
3
3
3
I like it because it is simple and not too different to the original MATRIX30
Unlike MATRIX30 which waits for ANY doublet after ANY one of the three triple triggers; instead only play that a MATCHING doublet will not form another triple...
For example if you get a vertical trigger 2-2-2 then next time you get vertical 2-2 (matching doublet) play against the treble forming.
WIN or LOSE you must wait for the next vertical triple 2-2-2 to form before you can again bet on 2-2 not forming a triple.
Example using some previous numbers:
232
132
121
123--Trigger 1-1-1
211
313
132--W1@1-1-3 [RESET TRIGGER 1's]
333
231
322
331
311--Trigger 3-3-3
321--Trigger 1-1-1
323
123--W1@3-3-1 [RESET TRIGGER 3's] ; Trigger 2-2-2
122
223--W1@1-1-2 [RESET TRIGGER 1's]
131--W1@2-2-3 [RESET TRIGGER 2's]
122
232
123
223
323--Trigger 3-3-3
323--Trigger 2-2-2
332--W1@3-3-2 [RESET TRIGGER 3's]
333--Trigger 3-3-3
113--W1@3-3-1 [RESET TRIGGER 3's]
222
+6u
All 6 bets won on first step.
A.
Thats a clever tweak Atlantis, what are your numbers so far games played points won bet etc????
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 23, 12:24 PM 2011
that's a clever tweak Atlantis, what are your numbers so far games played points won bet etc????
No stats so far, JL. I only thought of this tweak today and haven't had much time to test but I will do some tonight.
Just want to clarify: in my example there were no losers and all six bets won on the first spin - but if there was a losing bet e.g.: you had a trigger 1-1-1 and next time 1-1 occurred you bet against dozen 1 and lost - then I meant to say that the next unique 1-1 vertical double DOES qualify to be bet. In other words you do not need wait for another 1-1-1 triple to occur... Only on a win should you reset and wait for another such trigger to occur. I think I gave out the wrong message in my previous reply to member 'Post'.
A.
yes i think you did atlantis but i get it now i wil test your methode soon ;)
I must stress that this is just still an idea that may or may not be long term viable...
It could be that JohnLegend and Scooby already have found the perfect way to play MATRIX vertically with the original, and we may have to face the fact that there just may be no better or other successful way to play it!!
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 22, 05:13 PM 2011
And the one that's going to throw a spanner in the works
THE ZONE PERFECTED 78 units up. ;D ;D
Ooooh! The Return of the ZONE!!
Can't wait to see the new reincarnation.
Atlantis.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 23, 11:24 AM 2011
Hi ZIG Zag, today got my first 4 trip, it came on the 173rd game. Have played a total of 180 games now. I played 174--180 at double stakes (52pts). So I've pulled back 14 points of the 26 POINT LOSS. Here is an update of my first 180 games.
STEP 1=109 WINS
STEP 2=64 WINS
STEP 3=6 WINS---1 LOSS
POINTS WON 186
POINTS LOST 26
BALANCE=160
Still very pleased was hoping to make it to 200 wins. But every method has to lose sometimes. Will try to recoup 12 points tomorrow.
And nice to see Twister is still here.
Nice update John !
Im about a day behind on readin lol
Is playin double stakes after a loss part of the method ?
Soz if Ive missed it........not got so much time on my hands at this moment
Good work guys, keep the updates rolling in :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Feb 23, 03:59 PM 2011
Nice update John !
I'm about a day behind on readin LoL
Is playin double stakes after a loss part of the method ?
sorry if I've missed it........not got so much time on my hands at this moment
Good work guys, keep the updates rolling in :thumbsup:
Thanks Twister, when youve got some time test this one out its got fast turnover, and impressive strikerate..
john legend with witch methode have you got most success till now ?
Another example session using Vertical Triggers 1-1-1, 2-2-2, 3-3-3
Using separate progs for each triple
1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27
333
123
213--Trigger 3-3-3 (col3)
212
221--Trigger 2-2-2 (col1)
212
333
113
121--Won+1@ 3-3-1 (col3)
313
312
313--Trigger 3-3-3 (col1) ; Trigger 1-1-1 (col2)
332
221
113
332
222
123--Won+1@ 2-2-3 (col3)
133
313--Won+1@ 1-1-3 (col1)
321--Won+1@ 3-3-1 (col3)
121
131--Trigger 1-1-1 (col1)
211--Won+1@ 1-1-2 (col1)
213
112--Trigger 1-1-1 (col2)
+5
All 5 bets won on 1st step.
I always use a pen or pencil and enclose the trigger triples and winning triples within a ring (circle, oval or ellipse) so they can be easily identified.
Any subsequent formations of triples in the same column MUST NOT use elements from a previously identified (ringed) triple. That is to say, new doublet triggers must be unique and formed from 2 separate and individual dozen numbers and not made up from those above in an existing ringed treble...
This helps avoid mistakes in identifying qualifiers and in the tracking.
A.
Next session with real numbers Duisburg 22 Feb 2011
331
231
221--Trigger 1-1-1 (col3)
123
321--Trigger 2-2-2 (col2)
131
333--Won1@1-1-3 (col3) - Reset trigger
232--Trigger 3-3-3 (col2)
232
321--Won+1@2-2-3 (col1) - Reset trigger
123
123--Trigger 2-2-2 (col2)
113--Trigger 1-1-1 (col1) ; Lost2@3-3-3 (col3)
322
322
213--Won3@3-3-2 (col1) - Reset Trigger; Won+1@2-2-1 (col2) - Reset trigger
222
123
323--Trigger 2-2-2 (col2)
333--Trigger 3-3-3 (col3)
1 --Won1@3-3-1 (col1) - Reset trigger
+5
4 bets won on step 1
1 bet won on Step 2
A
atlantis i just tested your method i came acros a last step of the progression in like the 40st spin I did win the 27-27 but at first i wanted to play 1-1 3-3 9-9 that would had me bust.
Quote from: Post on Feb 24, 06:20 AM 2011
Atlantis I just tested your method I came acros a last step of the progression in like the 40st spin I did win the 27-27 but at first I wanted to play 1-1 3-3 9-9 that would had me bust.
Hi Post,
Are you playing with three separate progressions? One for each of the triggers:
1-1-1,2-2-2,3-3-3 ?
Are you playing real numbers or rng?
Do you have the spins so I can doublecheck it? Thanks,
A.
i dont know witch numbers it were but i triple checked it as you can expect i wanted to be sure
it was the 1st dozen thats al I can remember i did this yesterday and yes with a progression for each dozen seperate.
Quote from: Post on Feb 24, 07:01 AM 2011
I don't know witch numbers it were but I triple checked it as you can expect I wanted to be sure
it was the 1st dozen that's al I can remember I did this yesterday and yes with a progression for each dozen separate.
OK. Thanks. I suppose it inevitable that a win will happen on the 4th step.
(I suspect the method could be made "tighter" by waiting for 2 back to back triggers of the same type - or even by resetting ALL triggers after a win)
A.
But if you want to play separate banks for each dozen you will need a 240 bank if you want to keep playing different dozens after a loss.
or you remain betting a single dozens the one witch gave you the trigger
tesing testing ;)
BV no zero. 144 spins, played dozens and columns under "atlantis" rules, +14 units, highest progression step 2. Attached numbers, dozens and columns sheets.
[attach=#]
I played 400+ spins I was up 22 I did hit the last step once 27-27 once
oke I give the numbers here only minding the dozen number 2 for example
221
213
223 trigger (2)
103
113
221
130
221
330
333
121
133
213
223
233 lost -2 (2)
323
123
102 lost -6 (2)
133
211
113
222
122
103 -18 (2) -54/+81 (2)
The last step of the progression for single dozen betting
as you see the zeros were the ones becoming dangerous
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 24, 07:16 AM 2011
OK. Thanks. I suppose it inevitable that a win will happen on the 4th step.
(I suspect the method could be made "tighter" by waiting for 2 back to back triggers of the same type - or even by resetting ALL triggers after a win)A.
so at the moment after a win you continue ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Feb 24, 08:45 AM 2011
so at the moment after a win you continue ?
Well you can stop any time when you've made some units - but at the moment I am playing it so that when you get a win betting against a triple forming you must wait for that same triple to form fully (trigger) before your next bet against that triple.
For example if I get a vertical 1-1-1 trigger - that would be trigger 1.
Next time I see vertical double 1-1 that is signal to bet against it becoming 1-1-1. If I win I must wait for 1-1-1 to reform (trigger 1) before awaiting vertical doublet 1-1 (signal to bet against vertical triple 1)...
If there are any other triggers outstanding e.g.. trigger 2 or trigger 3 I can play on if I wish and wait for vert. dbls 2-2 and 3-3... It is only trigger 1 that is reset because of my win...
Twister, I was only thinking it could be an idea to reset all 3 triggers (1-1-1;2-2-2;3-3-3) on any kind of WIN that is, if it helps at all...
A.
Quote from: marivo on Feb 24, 08:23 AM 2011
BV no zero. 144 spins, played dozens and columns under "atlantis" rules, +14 units, highest progression step 2. Attached numbers, dozens and columns sheets.
Hi Marivo - good results.
Here I show your dozens.txt - how I would have played:
1 1 1
1 3 1
2 3 2
2 1 2
2 2 3--trigger 2 (col1)
2 3 3
1 2 3--trigger 3 (col3)
3 2 2
1 3 2--won+1@2-2-3 (col2) - reset trigger 2
3 3 3
2 1 2--won+1@3-3-1 (col2) - reset trigger 3
2 3 1
1 3 2
3 3 3--trigger 3 (col2)
3 2 2
2 3 1--won+1@3-3-2 (col1) - reset trigger 3
2 1 1
2 3 3--trigger 2 (col1)
1 3 1
2 1 2
3 1 3
3 3 3
1 1 2
1 3 1
2 1 1
1 3 3
1 3 3
3 2 1
1 2 3
2 3 1--won+1@2-2-3 (col2) - reset trigger 2
2 1 3
1 2 3
2 1 3--trigger 3 (col3)
3 2 1
2 1 2
3 2 1
1 3 3
3 1 3
3 1 1--won+1@3-3-1 (col3) - reset trigger 3
3 3 1--trigger 3 (col1)
2 2 2
2 3 1
1 2 3
2 3 1
1 2 2
2 3 3
2 1 3
1 3 1--won+1@3-3-1 (col3) - reset trigger 3
+6 in 144 spins.
All 6 bets won on 1st step.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 24, 10:31 AM 2011
Well you can stop any time when you've made some units - but at the moment I am playing it so that when you get a win betting against a triple forming you must wait for that same triple to form fully (trigger) before your next bet against that triple.
For example if I get a vertical 1-1-1 trigger - that would be trigger 1.
Next time I see vertical double 1-1 that is signal to bet against it becoming 1-1-1. If I win I must wait for 1-1-1 to reform (trigger 1) before awaiting vertical doublet 1-1 (signal to bet against vertical triple 1)...
If there are any other triggers outstanding e.g.. trigger 2 or trigger 3 I can play on if I wish and wait for vert. dbls 2-2 and 3-3... It is only trigger 1 that is reset because of my win...
Twister, I was only thinking it could be an idea to reset all 3 triggers (1-1-1;2-2-2;3-3-3) on any kind of WIN that is, if it helps at all...
A.
That trigger is priceless guys, its your signal for go but also 25% of what you are betting against. I'm working on a method that is more immediate within the 3 by 10 .grid. Remember the idea for betting against the formation of a cross of the same dozen?? Well its highly profittable and instant inside that Matrix 3 grid. It could possibly surpass the MATRIX 3 for strikerate and a new game can start every six spins. I Testing this as I PLAY MATRIX 30. And in the time it took me to win 1 point MATRIX CROSS won 7...
atlantis did you saw my results posted in my last reply witch i almost had a lost on a singel dozen ?
Quote from: Post on Feb 24, 11:46 AM 2011
Atlantis did you saw my results posted in my last reply witch I almost had a lost on a single dozen ?
Hi Post,
Yes I saw it. I checked it and you're right. It went all the way to a 4-step win. This is gonna happen. It will happen with all the current matrix ideas whether you stay waiting for a particular doublet to form (in your case 2-2) or even if you bet on a different doublet as a result of trigger 2-2-2 it could still happen (as in the original way)... Depend what numbers get thrown out into the matrix... I agree the ZERO was the main enemy here (hit twice during betting)
Your overall testing result was still very positive and that is v. encouraging :)
A.
ok atlantis i will test some more tomorrow and still 22 profit over 400 spins is nice it is more average then the original witch was like a profit every 25 spins your methode is like a profit every 18 spins ;)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 24, 11:12 AM 2011
That trigger is priceless guys, its your signal for go but also 25% of what you are betting against. I'm working on a method that is more immediate within the 3 by 10 .grid. Remember the idea for betting against the formation of a cross of the same dozen?? Well its highly profittable and instant inside that Matrix 3 grid. It could possibly surpass the MATRIX 3 for strikerate and a new game can start every six spins. I Testing this as I PLAY MATRIX 30. And in the time it took me to win 1 point MATRIX CROSS won 7...
The Iron '+':
1-2-3
2-2-2
3-2-1
The Iron 'X':
1-2-1
3-1-2
1-3-1
The Iron 'T':
2-2-2
1-2-3
3-2-1
The Iron '.':
1-3-3 ???
3-2-1
1-3-1
Okay, maybe not the last one! :thumbsup:
Good evening good people. I haved been spending all day playing Matrix 3. I am now up to my 220th game. Still only the one loss on the 173rd game. I recouped most of that over the next 10 games. Then reduced back down to my 26 point progression. And the last 47 games since the loss have been winners. With only 1 test at the door of defeat. Here is the latest breakdown.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 220
TOTAL GAMES WON 219
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
TOTAL POINTS WON=243
TOTAL POINTS LOST=26
BALANCE=217
STEP1=139 WINS
STEP2=73 WINS
STEP3=7 WINS---1 LOSS
CURRENT STRIKERATE=219/1 :ooh:
Okay another 40 games to play before the next update.
My latest results (using 3 trigger way)
session 1 = +3
All 3 bets won on 1st bet
session 2 = +4
3 won on 1st bet
1 won on 4th bet (zero occurred)
session 3 = +4
3 won on 1st bet
1 won on 2nd bet
A.
Atlantis i think its somtimes hard to keep track of the different triggers and in witch stage of the progression you are for the individual dozen. do you also had this problem ?
Not had time to play Matrix 30 much this weekend. Done 6 sessions
Sometimes takes a life time for triggers with live dealer
8 wins 1st step
1 win 2nd step
+ 9 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Post on Feb 26, 11:44 AM 2011
Atlantis I think its somtimes hard to keep track of the different triggers and in witch stage of the progression you are for the individual dozen. do you also had this problem ?
Hi Post,
Personally I don't have a big problem with keeping track of the triggers and the various levels of bet. After all there are only THREE triggers to deal with. I always record on paper the current state of the triggers and what the next bet units should be for each one next time there is a qualifying signal. I have to agree it requires more concentration and alertness to prevent error or mistake - but that is price to pay for having more options available.
Cheers,
A.
N
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 27, 08:29 AM 2011
Not had time to play Matrix 30 much this weekend. Done 6 sessions I
Sometimes takes a life time for triggers with live dealer
8 wins 1st step
1 win 2nd step
+ 9 :thumbsup:
ZIGZAG old Chinese proverb say, better to wait for SUCCESS than rush to FAILURE. One way I often speed things up is to backtrack the history bar online.
Get the last 20 odd spins and often theres a ready made trigger in there. Another thing you want to do is as your bankroll grows increase the value of a point. This has value in more ways than one. (1) You spend less time playing to make your profit. (2) You expose your risk less closing the window of potential defeat faster. Whats better 1 game to win 5 units or 5 games to win 5 units?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 27, 09:10 AM 2011
NZIGZAG old Chinese proverb say, better to wait for SUCCESS than rush to FAILURE. One way I often speed things up is to backtrack the history bar online.
Get the last 20 odd spins and often theres a ready made trigger in there. Another thing you want to do is as your bankroll grows increase the value of a point. This has value in more ways than one. (1) You spend less time playing to make your profit. (2) You expose your risk less closing the window of potential defeat faster. what's better 1 game to win 5 units or 5 games to win 5 units?
Hi John. Yes that's what I want to do and increase my start bet and do less sessions. I'm not at that stage yet as I started this with very small bankroll. I have already withdrawn my inital depost so now usings casino money :lol:
I was typing in the last 10 spins on marquee but will do 20 from now on to get a trigger faster.
I was testing this yesterday went bust on spin 170 i was up 9 then i saw this only mind
the (1) this time
211
221
111 trigger (1)
313
312 -2 (1)
312
131
233
122
113
123 -6 (1)
221
202
221
221
330 -18 (1)
330
113
313
311 -54 (1)
End session
Quote from: Post on Feb 27, 02:30 PM 2011
I was testing this yesterday went bust on spin 170 I was up 9 then I saw this only mind
the (1) this time
211
221
111 Trigger Doz 1
313
312 Loss Step 1 (1st doz)
312 Loss Step 2 (3rd Doz)
131 Win step 3 (2nd Doz)
233
122
113
123 Trigger
221 Win Step 1(3rd doz)
202
221 Trigger
221
330 Win Step 1 (2nd doz)
330
113
313
311 Trigger Win Step 1 (3rd doz
End session
Orignial matrix 30 version :thumbsup:
The way I understand Altlantis version. You had 1 doz and 3 doz in play.
Triggers 111 222 333
Quote from: Post on Feb 27, 02:30 PM 2011
I was testing this yesterday went bust on spin 170 I was up 9 then I saw this only mind
the (1) this time
211
221
111 Trigger 1 Doz
313
312 Loss 1 doz
312 Trigger 3 doz
131
233
122 Win 3 doz
113
123 Loss 1 doz
221
202
221 Trigger 2 doz
221
330 Win 2 doz Loss 1 doz
330
113
313
311 Loss 1 doz
End session
Maybe Atlantis can check which is correct with his way of play
Hi Post; ZigZag,
Post - That really was an unwelcome result as it produced the first recorded loser...
I am willing to concede that the original matrix30 rules may perform better than my tweak. In fact I even said as much in an earlier post when I mentioned that there may not be a better or more successful way to play it other than the original way devised by Scooby and JohnL.
It's possible my tweak, whilst producing more betting opportunities, may affect the long term safety provided by the original way.
After such an experience, I will therefore perfectly understand should you decide to now resume testing back under the original rules.
What I am saying is - the system may be as perfect as it is possible to get as it already stands. You cannot improve on perfection. To attempt to do so may disrupt the harmony/mechanics of the perfection thus resulting in weakness or flaw... so I state again that my revision, whilst made with the very best intentions to improve, may possibly be detrimentally affecting some element which is already an integral part of the core success of the method.
A.
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 27, 03:17 PM 2011
The way I understand Altlantis version. You had 1 doz and 3 doz in play.
Triggers 111 222 333
Maybe Atlantis can check which is correct with his way of play
Yes that is right ZigZag - however it still does not prevent the inevitable 4-Step Loss - whereas as you showed this would not have happened under the original matrix30 rules.
A.
Hi Atlantis. On the original Matrix 30 there was 1 occastion where it took me to 4th step as the third step was loss due to zero. So now I always cover zero if i'm on 3rd or 4th step just to break even.
I do like your version in fact I like all the different versions of the matrix. I was doing my own High/Low version the other day like this
HLLHL
HL If the first 2 were a match I would bet 3 times for a miss then reset
HHLHL
LL If the first 2 were a miss I would bet 3 times for a match then reset on a win
HHHHH or LLLLL = NO BET
haven't tested this much was just playing around.
I was using both a 5 matrix and 7 matrix side by side for more triggers
A 7 Matrix would be first 4 that match or misses then bet 3 times
HHHLHLL
HHHL Bet 3 times for Miss
LHLLHLH
HLHH Bet 3 times for Match
I have only played this for VERY short time so no idea if its any good.
How about betting against a 'shape' forming in the Matrix?
Like this
[table=,]
1,2,3,4,5,6
H,L,L,L,L,H
H,L,L,L,L,H
H,L,L,L,L,H
H,H,H,H,H,H
H,L,L,L,L,H
H,L,L,L,L,H
H,L,L,L,L,H
[/table]
I making the letter 'H' here to illustrate the idea.
Ur going to bet AGAINST this unique shape from forming, within this size of Matrix.
Its an illusion as we all know, but if U can find shape/matrix's that are SO unlikely to form,
the U may have found something.
Width progression will need to be formulated carefully, to carry U to journeys end.
Cheers.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 27, 03:38 PM 2011
Yes that is right ZigZag - however it still does not prevent the inevitable 4-Step Loss - whereas as you showed this would not have happened under the original matrix30 rules.
A.
Ive noticed that sometimes a dozen can overperform and when it moves over the 40% strike rate per 100 spins what happenned there can occur, whereas not favouring any dozen means overall a better win to loss percentage. No harm in experimenting ive often thought about the vertical columns that DONT repeat, they can go to double figures before theres a repeat. had a column of 11 today while playing.
So there are many ways to approach the MATRIX VERTICAL CONCEPT. ??? ???
the matirx is verry intertesting i am trying out all sorts of triggers in the matrix betting against unique forms in the matrix is the way to go
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 27, 04:02 PM 2011
Hi Atlantis. On the original Matrix 30 there was 1 occastion where it took me to 4th step as the third step was loss due to zero. So now I always cover zero if i'm on 3rd or 4th step just to break even.
I do like your version in fact I like all the different versions of the matrix. I was doing my own High/Low version the other day like this
HLLHL
HL If the first 2 were a match I would bet 3 times for a miss then reset
HHLHL
LL If the first 2 were a miss I would bet 3 times for a match then reset on a win
HHHHH or LLLLL = NO BET
haven't tested this much was just playing around.
uUI was using both a 5 matrix and 7 matrix side by side for more triggers
A 7 Matrix would be first 4 that match or misses then bet 3 times
HHHLHLL
HHHL Bet 3 times for Miss
LHLLHLH
HLHH Bet 3 times for Match
I have only played this for VERY short time so no idea if its any good.
Zig Zag thats a great idea about covering the ZERO. Ive just completed my 260th game got my second loss today full update later.
Quote from: GLC on Feb 24, 08:54 PM 2011
The Iron '+':
1-2-3
2-2-2
3-2-1
The Iron 'X':
1-2-1
3-1-2
1-3-1
The Iron 'T':
2-2-2
1-2-3
3-2-1
The Iron '.':
1-3-3 ???
3-2-1
1-3-1
Okay, maybe not the last one! :thumbsup:
Hi Chrisbis i have been looking betting against shapes forming. GLC posted some interesting shapes on 3 line matrix. The iron x is my favorate :smile:
anyone already testing the iron x?
i am going to test it tomorrow
Quote from: Post on Feb 28, 06:37 PM 2011
Anyone already testing the iron x?
I am going to test it tomorrow
Hi Post not tested any of the shapes yet. Maybe you could alternate between the shapes each session to make maybe more random?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 28, 12:01 PM 2011
Zig Zag that's a great idea about covering the ZERO. I've just completed my 260th game got my second loss today full update later.
Is that 2nd loss using just a 3 step progression? 2 loss out of 260 is still really good going. Are you having any look with your Mirror 6 idea?
Quote from: ZigZag on Feb 28, 07:25 PM 2011
Is that 2nd loss using just a 3 step progression? 2 loss out of 260 is still really good going. Are you having any look with your Mirror 6 idea?
Yes zig zag will give the breakdown after my lunch. I think its good too. Im hoping for 60--1 longterm. Working on MIRROR 6 still these are exciting times...
Okay after 260 completed games, I've suffered two losses on step 3 of the progression. Matrix vertical 3 is still performing very well. Here are the numbers after 260 games.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 260
TOTAL GAMES WON 258
TOTAL GAMES LOST 2
CURRENT BALANCE 240 POINTS PROFIT
CURRENT STRIKERATE 129/1
STEP 1 WINS 169
STEP 2 WINS 74
STEP 3 WINS 15--LOSSES--2
Still very pleased with the performance, way too early to tell what the average strikerate might be. Next update Thursday after the 300th game.... ???
i just did 400 spins was +12 this happend
222
123
122 trigger
021 -2
313
221
213
202 -6
111
131
121 -18 -54 BUST -80
Quote from: Post on Mar 03, 04:28 AM 2011
I just did 400 spins was +12 this happend
222
123
122 trigger
021 -2
313
221
213
202 -6
111
131
121 -18 -54 BUST -80
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Post this was live or RNG? I've seen this happen on RNG but not yet on live gaming
Vundarosa
live man spielbank wiesbaden first 400 testing spins
Okay ive now completed 300 games with still just two losses. I have now also started testing on betting from a double to a quad using the same 26pt progression i use on the normal way.
For two reasons A,waiting for a treble trigger can take more than 80 spins and B, there arent many vertical formations in excess of 4 compared to how many doubles,trebles and quads that form. Okay here are the numbers for the 300 games played...
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 298
TOTAL GAMES LOST 2
CURRENT BALANCE 280
CURRENT STRIKERATE 149/1
STEP 1 WINS 190
STEP 2 WINS 84
STEP 3 WINS 24--LOSSES 2
Im happy the strikerate has remained over 100/1 just a little frustrated at the wait for triggers. I think ultimately betting against trebles, quads and quintets forming will prove just as lucrative but far less time consuming I will start posting my results over the weekend...
v
Quote from: Post on Mar 03, 04:28 AM 2011
I just did 400 spins was +12 this happend
222
U123
122 trigger
021 -2
313
221
213
202 -6
111
131
121 -18 -54 BUST -80
It would have been better for you to adopt the 3 step progression. Pulling back 26 points is easier than 80. My second loss was a five trip too. What im now testing is the strikerate between doubles, trips and quads and those that go beyond them if the strike rates even 40/1 its a go for me...
I was just playing the matrix when I saw this
321
321
321
331
2 quads and a triple next to each other
live spins I thought it would be interesting to show you guys !
Quote from: Post on Mar 04, 01:38 PM 2011
I was just playing the matrix when I saw this
321
321
321
331
2 quads and a triple next to each other
live spins I thought it would be interesting to show you guys !
Ive seen that many times Post, ive also seen 4 consecutive quads followed by 11 doubles, thats why im now testing to find out if the best way to play the MATRIX VERTICAL concept is to wait for a double then bet against it becoming a quintet using the classic 1,1--3,3--9,9 progression early results show this has alot of potential. Ive played over 40 games in a row several times without seeing anything worse than a quad...
Maybe i been lucky so far but have yet to hit the wheel during a 4 loss. maybe i'm not at the wheel long enough for it to catch me :lol:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 04, 02:12 PM 2011
I've seen that many times Post, I've also seen 4 consecutive quads followed by 11 doubles, that's why I'm now testing to find out if the best way to play the MATRIX VERTICAL concept is to wait for a double then bet against it becoming a quintet using the classic 1,1--3,3--9,9 progression early results show this has a lot of potential. I've played over 40 games in a row several times without seeing anything worse than a quad...
I just had to google what a quintet means :-[
I dont know John i have always kept my eye out looking for quads and i'm sure i have seen a 5 in a row. I could suggest wait for a tripple and bet against a 6 verticaly BUT that would defeat the object your trying to get with having more triggers ???
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 04, 05:45 PM 2011
Maybe I been lucky so far but have yet to hit the wheel during a 4 loss. maybe i'm not at the wheel long enough for it to catch me :LoL:
I just had to google what a quintet means :-[
I don't know John I have always kept my eye out looking for quads and i'm sure I have seen a 5 in a row. I could suggest wait for a tripple and bet against a 6 verticaly BUT that would defeat the object your trying to get with having more triggers ???
Its timing ZIG ZAG, youve entered the cycle at the right time. Mathematicians will argue a method has no merit if it cant stand up to 10s of 1,000s of continuos spins. But that is neither realistic or wholey true.
We all know that random can produce freak runs that can defeat ANY METHOD with a decent betting frequency, as I said before it is the human beings lack of PATIENCE that makes them lose, if for example you had the patience to wait for two QUADS on a live wheel and bet that there wouldnt be 7, you would probably grow old and die before you lose even ONCE.
The gambling world doesnt prospur because their games cannot be beaten, they prospur because very few human beings have the PATIENCE to do it. What we are trying to do here is develope methods that strike a balance between regular turnover and invincibility. The Matrix concept takes us into that realm...
Good evening having now completed 342 games for MATRIX VERTICAL 3 I have suffered my third loss on the 340th game annoyingly. I played the extra two games to keep the strikerate breakdown to whole numbers, so here is the latest report.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 342
TOTAL GAMES WON 339
TOTAL GAMES LOST 3
CURRENT BALANCE 297 POINTS+
CURRENT STRIKERATE 113/1
STEP 1 WINS 203
STEP 2 WINS 105
STEP 3 WINS 31--LOSSES 3
Still very happy with MATRIX THREES performance, still a long way to go but its looking very solid....
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 342
TOTAL GAMES WON 339
TOTAL GAMES LOST 3
CURRENT BALANCE 297 POINTS+
CURRENT STRIKERATE 113/1
STEP 1 WINS 203
STEP 2 WINS 105
STEP 3 WINS 31--LOSSES 3
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this is indeed looking very good. I had, while playing the same system on RNG, two consecutive losses playing a 4 step progression. Your touch of having a 3 step progression is what is making this system a winner. If you'd be going to 4th step progression, 3 losses (how many of your losses went to 5 triplets?!) would put you at about +50 points in about 390 sections.
I somehow still believe this can also do a good job on a RNG. With a 3 step progression, and similar strike rate, one should still be able to make decent profit....<speculation>....
Vundarosa
I Haven't wrote down all my results that John and Vundarosa have done, but i started with just the one bankroll and now have 3 x that :xd:
I started on slingshot roulette but was losing to the 3rd step too many times for my liking so was using a 4 step. Seems to produce lot more repeaters.
Now on live dealer and its much more steady. Can be frustrating waiting for a double to become a treble with live dealer and there are many times i'm tempted to just flat bet the doubles. Today 14 doubles in a row that didn't form a treble that i could have flat betted.
My advice. Wait for trigger, then hit, hit and out! SAS Style 8)
Why not do just like ZigZag is doing and flat bet doubles while waiting for a triple to show it's face. That way, you should be making some profit along the way.
I don't see a way that you could get into too much trouble doing that. Maybe make your unit size smaller on the flat betting and when you find a triple go to your usual unit size.
Just a thought...
Scooby Doo
Hi Vundarosa my second loss was a 5 trip. Yes 26 points is alot easier to recover and acceptable in relation to the time spent playing. ANYTHING can happen on RNG its not true random especially in REAL MONEY PLAY.
If you cover numbers 1--35 three times in a row and the ball lands on number 36 three times you know something isnt right..
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 06, 09:04 PM 2011
I Haven't wrote down all my results that John and Vundarosa have done, but I started with just the one bankroll and now have 3 x that :xd:
I started on slingshot roulette but was losing to the 3rd step too many times for my liking so was using a 4 step. Seems to produce lot more repeaters.
Now on live dealer and its much more steady. Can be frustrating waiting for a double to become a treble with live dealer and there are many times i'm tempted to just flat bet the doubles. Today 14 doubles in a row that didn't form a treble that I could have flat betted.
My advice. Wait for trigger, then hit, hit and out! SAS Style 8)
ZIG ZAG im testing tbose doubles right now, ive had 11 in between trips, I think there is a way to profit from them and increase profit turnover...
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Mar 06, 10:15 PM 2011
Why not do just like ZigZag is doing and flat bet doubles while waiting for a triple to show it's face. That way, you should be making some profit along the way.
I don't see a way that you could get into too much trouble doing that. Maybe make your unit size smaller on the flat betting and when you find a triple go to your usual unit size.
Just a thought...
Scooby Doo
Hi Scooby im testing that out right now you can get 11 doubles followed by 4 or more trips...
@ Johnlegend
With the winrates you have been having and the distance between losing sessions, could you or would you consider compounding your winnings?
e.g.: is it possible to alter the progression and parlay your winning bets? Are there enough of them in a row to take advantage of?
E
For a newcomer to the forum who find this thread and scratches their head in bewilderment, where should they go to catch-up on the background to this method?
(There's a confusing plethora of matrix threads on the forum, you see...)
Quote from: esoito on Mar 07, 04:49 AM 2011
For a newcomer to the forum who find this thread and scratches their head in bewilderment, where should they go to catch-up on the background to this method?
(There's a confusing plethora of matrix threads on the forum, you see...)
The rules for this matrix are here on the thread or they can ask myself, Scooby or Atlantis. The MATRIX VERTICAL concept is quite simple we bet for or against vertical formations of the SAME DOZEN. Instead of left to right. There is a definate advantage in doing so. What we are forcing random to do is continually land a dozen in the same spot. There are common limits to how often its able to do this. five consecutive for trebles and quads, has been identified as a significant marker. From this knowledge we have created two main methods. MATRIX VERTICAL and MATRIX VERTICAL 3. The first is played on a seven wide grid and is more suitable on RNGS as it needs a fast pace. Its enemy is the formation of 5 consecutive vertical quads of a dozen. We wait for one of these to form then using a four step progression bet against any treble becoming a quad for a maximum of 4 attempts using an 80 point risk 1,3,9,27x2
MATRIX VERTICAL 3 is a superb super tweak by Scooby Doo to play on live wheels using a 3 wide grid and betting aganst the formation of 4 or 5 vertical trebles. AGAIN WE WAIT FOR a trigger of one vertical treble before we commence and bet against a double becoming a treble for three or four attempts max using the same classic progression 1,3,9x2. We stop after three steps win or lose.
Hi, Johnlegend. Thank you for explaining the system. Could you provide a small example of how it needs to be played? I am new with matrices but this thread has captured my attention. Sadly I have no idea how to form the matrices with the numbers I spin?
Quote from: eluka on Mar 07, 03:01 AM 2011
@ Johnlegend
With the winrates you have been having and the distance between losing sessions, could you or would you consider compounding your winnings?
e.g.: is it possible to alter the progression and parlay your winning bets? Are there enough of them in a row to take advantage of?
E
Hi Eluka, at the moment anything seems possible I've never had a loss within 30 games of the previous one and my first winning streak was a wopping 172 in a row.
Nevertheless these are early days ELUKA, I have almost completed 380 games on a LIVE WHEEL. It will take several thousand before we get an idea of the average strike rate, thus far its holding over 100/1 i expect it to come down over time 60/1 and ill still be very happy.
How you stake this method is optional I'm using the classic 1,3,9x2 26pt total risk.
I always say this don't GET GREEDY. Its one of the biggest reasons the myth still exists that roulette longterm can't be beaten. YOUR BANKROLL is your powerbase. It must be many times your risk for you to succeed ideally. The gambler who comes with 100 units thinking he can win 100 units is the TRUE
GAMBLERS FALLACY. They will nearly always go bust. You must take it one step at a time. Once you have won a few thousand units, then you might set aside a percentage of that for wagering experimentation. Until then give a lot of respect to random, for it can turn on you at anytime. And if your fortress is weak youll be in trouble.
So always keep that in mind, the gambler trying to win 20 units per day with a 1,000 unit BR is in a far better place than one who is trying to win 20 units a day with a 100 unit BR.
Quote from: Droganson on Mar 08, 04:03 PM 2011
Hi, Johnlegend. Thank you for explaining the system. Could you provide a small example of how it needs to be played? I am new with matrices but this thread has captured my attention. Sadly I have no idea how to form the matrices with the numbers I spin?
Hi Droganson here is an example of how you record dozens and play MATRIX VERTICAL 3
321
322
212
012--TRIGGER
331--WIN column 2 step 1 DOZ 1
As it did not become a vertical treble after your trigger in column 3. that's how you record the dozens in rows of 3.
Thank you for the explanation, JohnLegend! Makes perfect sense. I will begin practicing it now. Looks like it will work well with my RNG! ;D
Quote from: Droganson on Mar 08, 04:37 PM 2011
Thank you for the explanation, JohnLegend! Makes perfect sense. I will begin practicing it now. Looks like it will work well with my RNG! ;D
Rngs are not true random Droganson, you would be better with the quad version on an RNG. It can produce five trips more frequently than a LIVE WHEEL especially in real money mode lol. So remember that Matrix 3 is perfect for LIVE WHEEL PLAY, the original Matrix vertical Quad version is EXCELLENT ON RNGS...
I see Vertical Quad...now I'm confused again. Lol. Okay. So you said treble for the Matrix 3 so the vertical quad must be...okay I have no clue. Dang it! ???
Quote from: Droganson on Mar 08, 06:33 PM 2011
I see Vertical Quad...now I'm confused again. LoL. Okay. So you said treble for the Matrix 3 so the vertical quad must be...okay I have no clue. Dang it! ???
Here is an example of MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD, Droganson the two main diferences are we record spins in rows of seven instead of three and our enemy is five consecutive vertical QUADS instead of TRIPS,
EXAMPLE...
1112301
2133322
3312311
2311321--TRIGGER column 5, DOZ 3
0222311
3132122--WIN column 7, DOZ 1
You see Droganson, same play method just a seven wide grid and betting against quads instead of trips. This version holds up a lot better on an RNG but is too slow for LIVE WHEELS...
john i play rng for a bit of fun and what i do is use that ophis tracker for matrix concept so i start to input say 13-14 spins just to get picture of how matrix forms what i look for is say in your example of matrix in your last post where you have number 3 you can see forms 4-5 in a row this is what i bet seems rng loving it...so put numbers and start flicking tracker to show me each matrix 3,4,5,6,7, for dozen and colums when i see 3 ,4,5 in a row i bet them to continue the same and always back up zero seems to me whnever i play on rng matrix push the zero a lot...try it with small bets you might like it
Quote from: maestro on Mar 09, 05:02 AM 2011
john i play rng for a bit of fun and what i do is use that ophis tracker for matrix concept so i start to input say 13-14 spins just to get picture of how matrix forms what i look for is say in your example of matrix in your last post where you have number 3 you can see forms 4-5 in a row this is what i bet seems rng loving it...so put numbers and start flicking tracker to show me each matrix 3,4,5,6,7, for dozen and columns when i see 3 ,4,5 in a row i bet them to continue the same and always back up zero seems to me whnever i play on rng matrix push the zero a lot...try it with small bets you might like it
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Maestro, where can one get hold of the tracker? Last I tried downloading it the link was down (I guess due to forum updates...)
I am playing 3 ,5 and 7 matrix simultaneously (which takes a lot of time doing it on paper), betting against trips and with 5 step progression. The profits are a smaller (but consistent) and the BR needes to be higher, but I am yet to soil my pants on this! I am testing this with $0.10u, so maybe i won't soil them that much anyways but if it holds long term, i am increasing my unit value.
vundarosa
Hi guys. . . new here and this thread caught my eye. I've read the whole thing. Could one of you tell me if I am understanding this correctly?
Write down the dozen hit beginning left to right on a 3x10 matrix. The trigger is the first dozen to vertically hit three consecutive times. After the trigger bet against the next double to become a triple.
Couple questions. . . If hit on the first do you reset matrix or play out all 30 spins? What is the max number of loss before starting again?
Also what wheel is this on euro or american?
Quote from: alfgard on Mar 10, 11:34 AM 2011
Hi guys. . . new here and this thread caught my eye. I've read the whole thing. Could one of you tell me if I am understanding this correctly?
Write down the dozen hit beginning left to right on a 3x10 matrix. The trigger is the first dozen to vertically hit three consecutive times. After the trigger bet against the next double to become a triple.
Couple questions. . . If hit on the first do you reset matrix or play out all 30 spins? What is the max number of loss before starting again?
Also what wheel is this on euro or american?
Hi Alfgard welcome :smile:
Your first trigger becomes the start of your 30 spins matrix. If you hit within the matrix you can wait to see if there is another trigger. About half the time you will usualy get 2 triggers within the 30. You don't reset the matrix so long as your within the 30 spin rule.
233
122
333
323
113 ----Trigger 3rd doz + start of 30 spin matrix
233
211
223 ----Win 2nd doz Now continue tracking
132
232
122 ----Trigger
223
132 ----Win 2nd doz Note: If you lose here near bottom of matrix just continue until win
231 ---End session complets 30 spins Take 10 min break then input last 10 spins on marquee
I use a 3 stage recovery progression 1-1 2-2 7-7 + 0 but John and others use a progression where you win on each level 1-1 3-3 9-9, but I have smaller bankroll :-[ I have just started to use Scoobys way with betting the doubles with smaller chips while waiting for triggers as you get a lot of doubles that don't form a trebles inbetween :thumbsup:
Good evening people ive been VERY busy playing MATRIX VERTICAL 3. And testing something else looking very special. Ive now completed 400 games and had another loss. This is the first time the strikerate has dropped below 100/1 although only just. OKAY here are the numbers.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 396
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
CURRENT BALANCE 329 POINTS +
CURRENT STRIKERATE 99/1
STEP 1 WINS 222
STEP 2 WINS 131
STEP 3 WINS 43--LOSSES 4
400 hundred games is only a fraction of what i need to get an idea of this methods average strikerate. One thing thats becoming clear though there are healthy gaps between losses. Next update after 450 games completed...
Thanks for the update John. Still brilliant strike rate. :thumbsup:
Hope as you advised to play only a few sessions a day with large chips once i build up some banks :smile:
Thank you ZigZag for that explanation!
I have now gone back to the original 3 step progression
After looking at Johns strikerate my recovery progression is just not worth it.
I'm still a newbie :-[
Only difference is i cover zero on step 2 and 3
If lose to zero on step 1 i take the loss, retrack and start at level 1-1 bets
Zero loves me >:(
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 10, 02:00 PM 2011
Thanks for the update John. Still brilliant strike rate. :thumbsup:
Hope as you advised to play only a few sessions a day with large chips once I build up some banks :smile:
Hi ZIG ZAG, yes I'm hoping for something the right side of 50/1 longterm or at least two banks to every bank lost, my winning streaks have been impressive especially the first one 172, and the most recent one 56. This would give me the confidence to double even treble my progression for ten games directly after a loss if it maintains for faster recovery.
Also I've been flat betting every double to not become a treble with fair results. What tends to happen is you get fields of doubles, 11 in a row being the longest I've recorded so far followed by two or three trebles then a shorter gap before trebles start forming again. If I take a 100 spin sample we are looking at an average strikerate somewhere in the region of 60% for doubles, with 67% being about break even point to level stakes. We would need some progression for this to work. On a positive note my sessions have shown nothing longer than five consecutive trips. And on a live wheel vertical dozens don't go beyond quads very often. There's food for thought here. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Isnt it a good idea then to wait for two trips as a trigger since you didn't saw a single 6 treble ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 11, 01:34 PM 2011
Isnt it a good idea then to wait for two trips as a trigger since you didn't saw a single 6 treble ?
If you wanted a virtual HOLY GRAIL YES POST. On a live wheel you get TRUE RANDOM. Believe me theres a world of difference between a live wheel and an RNG. The law of averages behaves like a DREAM on a live wheel as it should. I will give you a sample of my play today to illustrate my point.
311
113
223
131
222
111
332
132
331--TRIGGER COLUMN 2 DOZ 3--WIN COLUMN 3 DOZ 2
213
133
313--TRIGGER COLUMN 3 DOZ 3
213
311--STEP 1 LOST--COLUMN 2 DOZ 1
322
213--WIN COLUMN 1 DOZ 3
Nothing out of the ordinary for the MATRIX 3 RESULTS. But look at the first column, you have a line of 13 unmatched dozens. That will rarely if ever happen on an RNG. True random within the matrixes works so beautifully. And balances out with the law of averages. Proof of the pudding is how long I can go without even getting a 4 trip. and I have never seen a 6 trip yet. On an RNG I see 4 trips way too often and have seen 2 6 trips aswell.
;) ;)
Hi John i was reading your post in template 7
QuoteHeres a simple example if you wrote down a set pattern like this for dozens 313313
Now you wrote down random spins in rows of six directly under that pattern
Matrix 3 would be
313 -----Trigger
<--- Now bet against 313
maybe using set triggers such as
121
131
212
232
313
323
I will have a look at a 1000 spins over weekend to see if this could be profitable
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 11, 03:05 PM 2011
Hi John I was reading your post in template 7
Matrix 3 would be
313 -----Trigger
<--- Now bet against 313
maybe using set triggers such as
121
131
212
232
313
323
I will have a look at a 1000 spins over weekend to see if this could be profitable
Hi Zig Zag with a pattern like 313 you would average a strikerate of about 30/1 to cover all three spins would take 26 units. But I have seen this pattern twice in a row then not again for 50 lines thats the nature of true random.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 11, 05:06 PM 2011
Hi Zig Zag with a pattern like 313 you would average a strikerate of about 30/1 to cover all three spins would take 26 units. But I have seen this pattern twice in a row then not again for 50 lines that's the nature of true random.
Cheers John i will continue to play original way then. :thumbsup:
Good evening people, It is now getting to a point with this method where I have absolute confidence in it ON A LIVE WHEEL (LETS MAKE THAT CLEAR) After 454 completed games it is maintaining a very impressive consistency, with still just four lost progressions of 26 POINTS. Here are the latest results...
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 454
TOTAL GAMES WON 450
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
CURRENT BALANCE 383 POINTS PLUS
CURRENT STRIKERATE 150/1
STEP 1 WINS=249
STEP 2 WINS=150
STEP 3 WINS=51--LOSSES=4
NEXT UPDATE Around the 500 game mark... ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 13, 02:28 PM 2011
Good evening people, It is now getting to a point with this method where I have absolute confidence in it ON A LIVE WHEEL (LETS MAKE THAT CLEAR) After 454 completed games it is maintaining a very impressive consistency, with still just four lost progressions of 26 POINTS. Here are the latest results...
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 454
TOTAL GAMES WON 450
TOTAL GAMES LOST 4
CURRENT BALANCE 383 POINTS PLUS
CURRENT STRIKERATE 150/1
STEP 1 WINS=249
STEP 2 WINS=150
STEP 3 WINS=51--LOSSES=4
NEXT UPDATE Around the 500 game mark... ;D ;D ;D
Nice one John :thumbsup: !
Very impressive :smile:
how do you play now john legend ? you wait for a triple and bet that there wont form 4 in a row?
Quote from: Post on Mar 13, 03:23 PM 2011
How do you play now john legend ? you wait for a triple and bet that there wont form 4 in a row?
Hi post, no I wait for a treble trigger then bet the following double/s don't become trebles. On an RNG this wouldnt hold up as you don't get true random you need the quad version. But on an online live wheel it works beautifully. that's how you quickly see the difference between Rngs and true random.
so you wait for a treble and bet the next 3 double to not become a treble with progression 26 ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 13, 02:37 PM 2011
Nice one John :thumbsup: !
Very impressive :smile:
Nice to hear from you twister i miss your energy and upbeat positive charactor on here, its all good.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 13, 03:49 PM 2011
Nice to hear from you twister I miss your energy and upbeat positive charactor on here, its all good.
Thanx bud, I appreciate your kind words :)
Looking forward to friday ;D
I just wanted to say i just id 600 spins with the 26 progression i lost the whole progression 3 times i ended -52
Quote from: Post on Mar 13, 04:47 PM 2011
I just wanted to say I just id 600 spins with the 26 progression I lost the whole progression 3 times I ended -52
On an Rng Post I presume. if you want to play this one on an Rng you need at least two triggers and a five step progression I've never seen a 6 trip on a live wheel and a 7 trip on an Rng. that's why Twister Atlantis an myself forged THE QUAD to take on an Rng But this is no joke if you wanted to beat an Rng like this you would NEED TO BE BETTING AGAINST QUINTETS I'm SERIOUS...
No I don't do rng just another spielbank wiesbaden as usual mate ;)
you can check them all you like on
link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv# (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv#)
then choose calander date 03-01 TBAS if you want to check it out 3 busts in 600 spins
Quote from: Post on Mar 13, 05:19 PM 2011
No I don't do rng just another spielbank wiesbaden as usual mate ;)
What is that?
How can you get 600 spins that quickly from a real wheel that would take me 12-13 hours. also how exactly are you playing? Online.
The bet selection is only half of what makes this work. You have to work within the 30 spin Matrix.
Its not to be played continuous without set rules for 600 spins per session!
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 13, 07:47 PM 2011
The bet selection is only half of what makes this work. You have to work within the 30 spin Matrix.
Its not to be played continuous without set rules for 600 spins per session!
True Zig Zag I play for five wins a session 60-100 spins then shut it down play this way 4 times a day. Ive always said this shorter sessions without question improve your chances of missing a freak run by random ive proven this. A session of 80 spins i played on Saturday had a four trip just 30 spins after my session ended I wasnt there...
but still does playing less spins increase your odds with this methode ? I dont see how it could
and I tested real spins from the database from a real casino LIVE
Where is the original " matrix vertical" system to read about? I can see only references to it. thnx
i
Quote from: Post on Mar 14, 03:45 AM 2011
But still does playing less spins increase your odds with this methode ? I don't see how it could
and I tested real spins from the database from a real casino LIVE
Post you say the method as I play it failed 3 times over 600 consecutive spins on a recorded datababe. Thats actually not too bad. There are three things im not sure about. A, do you know exactly how im playing, B, what is the average gap between those 3 losses and C, How long did those 4 trips or longer go on for, how many quads in the losing runs?
As I said my play method with MATRIX VERTICAL 3 isnt designed to be bullet proof, if I wanted that Id play MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD on a live wheel and risk several hundred units. Be interested to see how youd report back on that. I doubt very much youd be telling me you lost even once.
No Ive gone with a more mortal version to speed up turnover. Im well aware that it wouldnt stand up over several 100 consecutive spins Post. But played in shorter sessions of 60-100 spins MAXIMUM, it still losses but far less frequently. Its all about WHEN YOU ENTER THE CYCLE.
My first winning streak was a superb 172 since then the best ive had is 56...
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 14, 04:27 AM 2011
Where is the original " matrix vertical" system to read about? I can see only references to it. thnx
Welcome Iggiv,
Here are the basics
1,Record spins in rows of three until you get a VERTICAL TREBLE of the same dozen. I.E
121
223
122--TRIGGER DOZ 2, COL 2
131
233--DOZ 1 WIN, COL 1
This becomes your trigger to play a game.
2, You now wait for another dozen to form a vertical double and bet against it becoming a TREBLE. Example above.
3, Using a four step progression 1,1/3,3/9,9/(27,27) you bet against FIVE CONSECUTIVE TRIPS forming.
4, Play for a maximum of 5 games a session, each new game requires a NEW VERTICAL TREBLE as a trigger.
5, This method wouldnt hold up on RNG but does very well on a real wheel. Five consecutive trips do happen, but by limiting play you close the window on a fluke streak occurring.
6, If there is a ZERO In the makeup of a VERTICAL TREBLE, it becomes VOID and you wait for a new one to form.
Those are the basics IGGIV...
thanx a lot John :thumbsup:
you are right john legend between the losses there were gaps of 5 -6 so if you would be +5 you would have been away every time when the progression went bust.
Quote from: Post on Mar 14, 01:14 PM 2011
You are right john legend between the losses there were gaps of 5 -6 so if you would be +5 you would have been away every time when the progression went bust.
I dont escape everytime im typically now running into a loss once every 7-8 sessions, what did the losses eventually end at Post? And how many consecutive QUADS does that 600 spin data show Post. Thankyou for your time..
I was -52 at the end
and i had 8 quads in 600 spins thats a quad every 133 spins and no 5 pointers !
Quote from: Post on Mar 14, 04:21 PM 2011
And I had 8 quads in 600 spins that's a quad every 133 spins and no 5 pointers !
Thats a typical result Post. Matrix Vertical QUAD played live is invincible. The problem Post is few human beings have the PATIENCE to wait for the trigger. Thats what it will ALWAYS COME DOWN TO.
Roulettes always been beatable its only the lack of patience and persistence in the HUMAN mind that has kept this fact a MYTH. Thankfully A more instant HOLY GRAIL is about to be released on this forum. If this one cannot capture the imagination of even the casual forum members, NOTHING EVERWILL.
A HOLY GRAIL will never be more easily understandable and immediate than TWO OF A KIND....
who is going to release the new methode you john legend ?
ÃÆ'Ã,Â'm looking forward to it :D
Quote from: Post on Mar 14, 05:18 PM 2011
Who is going to release the new methode you john legend ?
ÃÆ'Ã,Â'm looking forward to it :D
I am its refiner tester and presenter. But not its creator we will (those of us that realize its greatness) all owe a debt of gratitude to its creator in the coming weeks Im not just testing this gem I am making real money with it as this is my bread winner.
And there has never been anything in my 7 years living off this game that has been so natural and even enjoyable to use. You KNOW its going to win not MAYBE. Thats why even myself who has seen it all is so overawed by it.
I know that whoever uses this method is going to profit and every naysayer that has the misfortune to come across it has a large slice of humble pie waiting for them. MATHS THEORIES AGAINST ROULETTE are DONE, after Friday....
Hi John. The vertical quad is THE matrix daddy! I have the patience, but problem is my casino kicks you out if you dont make a bet within 10 spins. Bit of a pain having to log back in time and time again, and be sure it will log you out JUST as you have your bet trigger! lol
I always look foward reading your posts and very excited to read about TWO OF A KIND :xd:
"I know that whoever uses this method is going to profit and every naysayer that has the misfortune to come across it has a large slice of humble pie waiting for them. MATHS THEORIES AGAINST ROULETTE are DONE, after Friday...."
--------
How's that for a publicity intro! :o
Well i am certainly looking forward to Friday.
vundarosa
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 14, 08:28 PM 2011
Hi John. The vertical quad is THE matrix daddy! I have the patience, but problem is my casino kicks you out if you don't make a bet within 10 spins. Bit of a pain having to log back in time and time again, and be sure it will log you out JUST as you have your bet trigger! LoL
I always look foward reading your posts and very excited to read about TWO OF A KIND :xd:
Zig zag I couldnt AGREE MORE WITH YOU. On a live wheel YOU could go YEARS without losing. The wait for the trigger is the only drawback. What country do you live in Zig zag and who do you bet with online? If you live in the Uk I recommend BETFRED OR PADDYPOWER. If you are tracking yes you will get cut out after about 10 spins with no action but you can click the live icon and jump back in very quickly. So unless you have a treble right next to a quad you should be okay.
If you play Quad vertical. My advice is play a three step progression with a 52 point risk. 2,2-6,6-18,18
After the trigger so you win two points at a time its that solid. Then every bank of 100 points you win take it up until you reach 5 points a win. That will make the wait worthwhile. I've got thousands of results Zig and MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD is without question a GRAIL. But it requires PATIENCE. You have it, I have it, but a lot don't. Its a pity never rush success just increase its value
Aim for five units a win in the future ZIG ZAG, I've been betting for that whenever I SEE A QUAD during my MV 3 play and I rarely go beyond step one. True random doesn't like doing QUADS too often LoL.
Hey JohnLegend, I know you have the big release Friday :thumbsup: ,but I have to ask do you have a even chances system in your collection?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 14, 10:31 PM 2011
Hey JohnLegend, I know you have the big release Friday :thumbsup: ,but I have to ask do you have a even chances system in your collection?
Yes proofreaders2000 I have a very good one for HI AND LO. PM me and ill send you the method.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 14, 10:06 PM 2011
Zig zag I couldnt AGREE MORE WITH YOU. On a live wheel YOU could go YEARS without losing. The wait for the trigger is the only drawback. What country do you live in Zig zag and who do you bet with online? If you live in the Uk I recommend BETFRED OR PADDYPOWER. If you are tracking yes you will get cut out after about 10 spins with no action but you can click the live icon and jump back in very quickly. So unless you have a treble right next to a quad you should be okay.
If you play Quad vertical. My advice is play a three step progression with a 52 point risk. 2,2-6,6-18,18
After the trigger so you win two points at a time its that solid. Then every bank of 100 points you win take it up until you reach 5 points a win. That will make the wait worthwhile. I've got thousands of results Zig and MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD is without question a GRAIL. But it requires PATIENCE. You have it, I have it, but a lot don't. Its a pity never rush success just increase its value
Aim for five units a win in the future ZIG ZAG, I've been betting for that whenever I SEE A QUAD during my MV 3 play and I rarely go beyond step one. True random doesn't like doing QUADS too often LoL.
I'm from Rochdale but moving to London :xd: I have recently opend a Paddypower account. Very impressed with them so far. Had 2 withdrawals and no problems, and there cutomer service was excellent when i asked to take the bonus off. I wasn't impressed with Betfred, they bombard your balance with bonuses! Fred isn't called the bonus king for nothing! >:(
I'm currently just playing matrix 3 with smaller units until i build up a bank to play vertical quads with highier base chip :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 15, 07:12 AM 2011
I'm from Rochdale but moving to London :xd: I have recently opend a Paddypower account. Very impressed with them so far. Had 2 withdrawals and no problems, and there cutomer service was excellent when I asked to take the bonus off. I wasn't impressed with Betfred, they bombard your balance with bonuses! Fred isn't called the bonus king for nothing! >:(
I'm currently just playing matrix 3 with smaller units until I build up a bank to play vertical quads with highier base chip :thumbsup:
Hi Zig Zag. yes Betfred are a nuisance but I just decline any of their offers so my funds dont come under any play a million spins stipulation.
Okay its MATRIX VERTICAL 3 UPDATE TIME. Have suffered two more losses in my last 80 games. Still never inside 30 games of eachother which is special. The strikerate has come down, but considering 26/1 is break even at a one level progression its still good. And Matrix vertical QUAD which I play simultaneously is INVINCIBLE. IT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT LOSING IS.
OKAY HERE ARE THE LATEST RESULTS...
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 534
TOTAL GAMES WON 528
TOTAL GAMES LOST 6
CURRENT BALANCE 407 POINTS PLUS
CURRENT STRIKERATE 88/1
STEP 1 WINS 288
STEP 2 WINS 180
STEP 3 WINS 70--LOSSES 6
Ultimately the tradeoff comes down to time versus Invincibility, if I play matrix vertical QUAD LIVE. I MIGHT BE REPORTING A LOSS TO YOU IN 2018. BUT, Only get 3 or 4 qualifying bets in a 2--4 hour session ;) ;) ;) ;)
And the two of a kind methode what is that exactly ? or are you waiting with that till tommorow ?
yesterday i had this playing quads
211
231
121
221 Trigger
113
322
333
232
313
220
222
133
311
131
113
130
131 Quad 1
222
233
233
233Quad 2
333Quad 3-4 BUST END
Quote from: Post on Mar 17, 04:39 PM 2011
Yesterday I had this playing quads
211
231
121
221 Trigger
113
322
333
232
313
220
222
133
311
131
113
130
131 Quad 1
222
233
233
233Quad 2
333Quad 3-4 BUST END
I use this method playing Baccarat ;D
Quote from: Post on Mar 17, 04:39 PM 2011
Yesterday I had this playing quads
211
231
121
221 Trigger
113
322
333
232
313
220
222
133
311
131
113
130
131 Quad 1
222
233
233
233Quad 2
333Quad 3-4 BUST END
Unless the rules have changed betting against quads are done in a 7x7 matrix
Quote from: Post on Mar 17, 04:39 PM 2011
Yesterday I had this playing quads
211
231
121
221 Trigger
113
322
333
232
313
220
222
I133
311
131
113
130
131 Quad 1
222
233
233
233Quad 2
333Quad 3-4 BUST END
Post, you don't play the the QUAD version on a 3 wide Grid its played 7x MATRIX format. A three wide grid can produce freak runs for both tbe trips and quads. I Have even seen a vertical column of *8*
of the same dozen. The reason this happens is when a dozen gets REALLY HOT it will totally dominate a patch of the grid like that. This is far less likely on a 7 wide grid as the Dozen has a lot more area to fill out and its hot run will be absorbed left to right rather than top to bottom. Do you see what I'm saying Post? MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD was created by Atlantis. Twisteruk and myself to be played on a 7 wide grid. It must remain on that format to maintain it awesome effectiveness. This is how your game would have looked on the 7x grid.
2112311
2122111
3322333
2323132
2022213--TRIGGER DOZ 2 COL 3
3311131--DOZ 3 COL 2 VOID (ZERO RULE)
1131301
3122223
3233233
333--Potential QUAD DOZ 3 COL 1
Do you see how different the results are when the formats changed Post. Only 1 pure QUAD in that span of results. I told you it takes PATIENCE.
twisty--i just started playing baccarat and love it---if it has a chance on roulette it works on bac....
ok i understand i was just doing some testing with that. ;)
and how about the two of a kind methode are you still going to release it ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 18, 02:58 AM 2011
Ok I understand I was just doing some testing with that. ;)
and how about the two of a kind methode are you still going to release it ?
Yes its coming but on Sunday. We have a few things to iron out for the rules...
Do those waiting for trigger really affect the outcome???Because numbers can all a sudden turn the Table and really upset the outcome even if we put maths to it.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 18, 02:15 AM 2011
Twisty--i just started playing baccarat and love it---if it has a chance on roulette it works on bac....
Oh yes ;)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Mar 18, 02:15 AM 2011
Twisty--i just started playing baccarat and love it---if it has a chance on roulette it works on bac....
So you're just using Player and Banker in your matrix instead of dozens? Surely if you're playing for a 50% (roughly) chance it's harder to win than playing 66% (roughly)of the numbers?
Make any pattern you like though, I've tried lots and lots different variants and the annoying part was some would hold up for long periods of time before crashing and then crash and crash again.
E
Quote from: seykid31 on Mar 18, 03:32 AM 2011
Do those waiting for trigger really affect the outcome???Because numbers can all a sudden turn the Table and really upset the outcome even if we put maths to it.
Not Five consecutive Quads on a seven wide grid seykid31. Can it happen OF COURSE. But I have over 2000 sessions recorded from a live wheel with two 4 QUADS, but no 5 QUADS. This tells me it doesn't happen often enough in the time span I'm playing to make me fear for my 80 point risk. At worst youll win 2/1. I already have a winning streak of 193 for the MATRIX QUAD live. Its a pity people don't have the patience to play it. I would call it a HOLY GRAIL for the patient. Because that's exactly what it is...
So you are plying it live at present..i mean with real cash???
Well its our money on the line..if we can wait for one year to get an interest from Bank..why not 100 spins :)
Quote from: seykid31 on Mar 18, 04:13 AM 2011
So you are plying it live at present..i mean with real cash???
Well its our money on the line..if we can wait for one year to get an interest from Bank..why not 100 spins :)
Exactly, but that's HUMAN NATURE for you when it comes to gambilng, people don't look at it like that they want success yesterday.Yes all my proven methods are real money spinners..
Congratulation Mate..keep winning big ;)
my first 100 so spins of the day using the 7 wide matrix
1211212
1231111
2321221
1321213 Trigger col4
3321111
2312321 loss1 col2
1332212
3213132
2122232
2123332 loss 2 col 7
3331232 loss3 col 6
2211322
1332233
3211113
1232321
2322113
3221003
1213223
3323133 loss 4 col 7 BUST
Quote from: Post on Mar 18, 04:25 AM 2011
My first 100 so spins of the day using the 7 wide matrix
1211212
1231111
2321221
1321213 Trigger col4
3321111
2312321 loss1 col2
1332212
3213132
2122232
2123332 loss 2 col 7
3331232 loss3 col 6
2211322
1332233
3211113
1232321
2322113
3221003
1213223
3323133 loss 4 col 7 BUST
You have to be the unluckiest gambler that ever lived I haven't got that in 2000 results even an Rng doesn't form five quads very often. Just a moment I think you are misunderstanding something theres a win right next to the second QUAD Dozen 2 col three did not become a quad.
John legend you are right I missed that one I won it and didn't lose.
damn I thought I almost found a loss its just too hard ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 18, 06:54 AM 2011
John legend you are right I missed that one I won it and didn't lose.
darn I thought I almost found a loss its just too hard ;)
Post I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm saying it wont happen often especially the way I play. What tends to happen is you get one quad or longer then two or three trips. In A Matrix 49 I play 5 of these a day sometimes I have to go longer to complete a game. Its all about when you enter the cycle and playing short sessions that's how you rack up longer winning streaks than the law of averages dictates. I've no doubt if you play several 100 continous spins youll get one. But playing short sessions I believe you can enter the cycle half way through a five quad or just have missed one. It definately affects strikerate. My twenty years playing this game has shown me that.
and how about the strike rate of the 2 of a kind methode ? just curious
Quote from: Post on Mar 18, 07:53 AM 2011
And how about the strike rate of the 2 of a kind methode ? just curious
Unknown as yet Post. ;D
So you haven't had the time to test it ?
or not enough ?
I know I am too curious ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 18, 03:23 PM 2011
So you haven't had the time to test it ?
or not enough ?
I know I am too curious ;)
No its been tested it just hasnt lost yet. And where Matrix vertical QUAD has 80 points at risk TWO OF A KIND HAS *20*. Thats all ys get till SUNDAY
I have found what I think is a good bet progression for this method. It requires a maximum of 404 units, but you will never lose 404 units unless you lose 12 times straight on a double dozen bet. The most I've lost with this bet selection method is 5 times in a row.
This is based on the idea I have in my post titled "Threes Please" in the money management section.
This is for a 2 dozen bet. It should work with any 2 dozen bet selection method. That includes all the matrix systems that bet on 2 dozens.
This is based on the idea of winning a certain number of bets at a level resulting in a overall hight bank and being able to reset back to 1 unit on both dozens.
We are going to base this progression on winning 4 bets at a level betting 2 dozens. Here is the bet line: 1-1 2-2 2-2 3-3 5-5 7-7 11-11 16-16 24-24 30-30 45-45 68-68.
I know that looks like a horrendous bet line, but is only represents 404 units and as you'll see, there are some safety brakes we can use to decrease our odds of losing at the 68-68 bet level.
The way we play this bet level is, we start by betting 1-1 on our 2 dozens. As long as we win, we continue to bet 1-1. When we lose at 1-1 we move to the 1st 2-2. If we win 2 times at 2-2, we will be up 2 units and can start over. (If you want, you can start over after winning 1 times at 2-2 because this will put you even). If you lose before winning, then you immediately move to the 2nd 2-2 bet. This bet must win 3 times to be even or 4 times to be up 2 units. You decide.
If you win 2 times and then lose at any level, do not move to the next higher level. You will be even for that level and can play again. You may have a winning streak and not need to go to the next level. As long as you win 2 before a loss, you can remain that the same level.
If you win 1 time at a level and then lose, you should go ahead and move to the next level.
Anytime you win 4 times at a level, you will be at a high water mark and can reset to 1-1.
If you win and then lose the next bet at a couple of levels, you may find yourself at a new high water mark after only 3 wins at a level.
Safety brake time. You should shoot for the 4 wins at the levels 2-2 3-3 5-5 7-7. Remember that we only need to win twice at the 1st level 2-2.
If you find yourself betting at level 11-11 or higher, you should move back to the left after only 2 wins. After 2 wins calculate at what level you would need to go back to in order for a 4 time win at that level to wipe out your deficit.
Example: You are at 16-16 and have won 2 times in a row and are down 27 units. Divide 27 by 4 and you get 7. Go back to level 7-7 and begin playing to win 4 times at that level which will wipe out your 27 unit deficit +1 units.
The trade-off is that if you had won 2 more times at 16-16 you would recover but since you moved back to 7-7, you must win 4 more times to recover. On the other hand if you went into another series of losses starting at 16-16 you would run the risk of hitting your maximum bet limit. At 7-7, you have a 2 level additional cushion.
Example:
-1-1 = -2
-2-2 = -6
+2+2 = -4
-2-2 = -8
-3-3 = -14
-5-5 = -24
-7-7 = -38
+11+11 = -27
-11-11 = -49
+16+16 = -33
+16+16 = -17
At this point I divide 17 by 4 and get 5 so I go back to 5-5 because 4 wins puts me up +3.
-5-5 = -27
-7-7 = -41
-11-11 = -63
+16+16= -47
+16+16= -31
At this point I divide 31 by 4 and get 8 so I go back to 8-8 even though 8-8 isn't on our progression line, we can make adjustments when needed.
+8+8 = -23
+8+8 = -15
+8+8 = -7
+8+8 = +1 Reset to 1-1.
The above series is a real series I had in my last session. Had I not dropped back to 5-5 after winning 16-16 twice, I would have lost 3 bets putting me at betting 45-45 which is almost maxed out and is too risky for my blood.
As it turned out, had I stayed with 16-16 the second time, I would have recovered completely in 2 more spins rather than 4.
To get 4 wins in a row with a decent double dozen system is a common occurrence.
Can you lose with this bet method? Of course. Will you lose often? No!
Is this a valid bet method? You be the judge.
Enjoy,
George
please any body tell me that this system works for online casinos or not has any body tried yet ?
shakeel
Quote from: GLC on Mar 19, 01:31 AM 2011
I have found what I think is a good bet progression for this method. It requires a maximum of 404 units, but you will never lose 404 units unless you lose 12 times straight on a double dozen bet. The most I've lost with this bet selection method is 5 times in a row.
This is based on the idea I have in my post titled "Threes Please" in the money management section.
This is for a 2 dozen bet. It should work with any 2 dozen bet selection method. That includes all the matrix systems that bet on 2 dozens.
This is based on the idea of winning a certain number of bets at a level resulting in a overall hight bank and being able to reset back to 1 unit on both dozens.
We are going to base this progression on winning 4 bets at a level betting 2 dozens. Here is the bet line: 1-1 2-2 2-2 3-3 5-5 7-7 11-11 16-16 24-24 30-30 45-45 68-68.
I know that looks like a horrendous bet line, but is only represents 404 units and as you'll see, there are some safety brakes we can use to decrease our odds of losing at the 68-68 bet level.
The way we play this bet level is, we start by betting 1-1 on our 2 dozens. As long as we win, we continue to bet 1-1. When we lose at 1-1 we move to the 1st 2-2. If we win 2 times at 2-2, we will be up 2 units and can start over. (If you want, you can start over after winning 1 times at 2-2 because this will put you even). If you lose before winning, then you immediately move to the 2nd 2-2 bet. This bet must win 3 times to be even or 4 times to be up 2 units. You decide.
If you win 2 times and then lose at any level, do not move to the next higher level. You will be even for that level and can play again. You may have a winning streak and not need to go to the next level. As long as you win 2 before a loss, you can remain that the same level.
If you win 1 time at a level and then lose, you should go ahead and move to the next level.
Anytime you win 4 times at a level, you will be at a high water mark and can reset to 1-1.
If you win and then lose the next bet at a couple of levels, you may find yourself at a new high water mark after only 3 wins at a level.
Safety brake time. You should shoot for the 4 wins at the levels 2-2 3-3 5-5 7-7. Remember that we only need to win twice at the 1st level 2-2.
If you find yourself betting at level 11-11 or higher, you should move back to the left after only 2 wins. After 2 wins calculate at what level you would need to go back to in order for a 4 time win at that level to wipe out your deficit.
Example: You are at 16-16 and have won 2 times in a row and are down 27 units. Divide 27 by 4 and you get 7. Go back to level 7-7 and begin playing to win 4 times at that level which will wipe out your 27 unit deficit +1 units.
The trade-off is that if you had won 2 more times at 16-16 you would recover but since you moved back to 7-7, you must win 4 more times to recover. On the other hand if you went into another series of losses starting at 16-16 you would run the risk of hitting your maximum bet limit. At 7-7, you have a 2 level additional cushion.
Example:
-1-1 = -2
-2-2 = -6
+2+2 = -4
-2-2 = -8
-3-3 = -14
-5-5 = -24
-7-7 = -38
+11+11 = -27
-11-11 = -49
+16+16 = -33
+16+16 = -17
At this point I divide 17 by 4 and get 5 so I go back to 5-5 because 4 wins puts me up +3.
-5-5 = -27
-7-7 = -41
-11-11 = -63
+16+16= -47
+16+16= -31
At this point I divide 31 by 4 and get 8 so I go back to 8-8 even though 8-8 isn't on our progression line, we can make adjustments when needed.
+8+8 = -23
+8+8 = -15
+8+8 = -7
+8+8 = +1 Reset to 1-1.
The above series is a real series I had in my last session. Had I not dropped back to 5-5 after winning 16-16 twice, I would have lost 3 bets putting me at betting 45-45 which is almost maxed out and is too risky for my blood.
As it turned out, had I stayed with 16-16 the second time, I would have recovered completely in 2 more spins rather than 4.
To get 4 wins in a row with a decent double dozen system is a common occurrence.
Can you lose with this bet method? Of course. Will you lose often? No!
Is this a valid bet method? You be the judge.
Enjoy,
George
Nice work George, What Im thinking of for THE MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD, Is a 6 STEP PROGRESSION.. Because 5 Quads are infrequent enough. it would take an 8 QUAD TO BREAK ME. And I believe thats simply Impossible for random to do. Here is the plan.
1,1
3,3
9,9
27,27
81,81
243,243--728 PT Risk INVINCIBLE. You will be winning forever.
What I'm thinking of for THE MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD, Is a 6 STEP PROGRESSION.. Because 5 Quads are infrequent enough. it would take an 8 QUAD TO BREAK ME. And I believe that's simply Impossible for random to do. Here is the plan.
1,1
3,3
9,9
27,27
81,81
243,243--728 PT Risk INVINCIBLE. You will be winning forever.
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I've been playing for some time with this progression a while ago and gave it a try on a RNG. One RNG (casino.com) spun a 8 trip and bust the progression (and it wasn't even real money play). In other RNGs I played, the progression keept winning, and this for trips (not quads).
So if someone is thinking about playing this on a RNG, just beware that it can bust even this progression. Other than that, i am in agreement that it has the ability to be incinvicible on a live game betting against quads!
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 19, 07:26 AM 2011
What I'm thinking of for THE MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD, Is a 6 STEP PROGRESSION.. Because 5 Quads are infrequent enough. it would take an 8 QUAD TO BREAK ME. And I believe that's simply Impossible for random to do. Here is the plan.
1,1
3,3
9,9
27,27
81,81
243,243--728 PT Risk INVINCIBLE. You will be winning forever.
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I've been playing for some time with this progression a while ago and gave it a try on a RNG. One RNG (casino.com) spun a 8 trip and bust the progression (and it wasn't even real money play). In other RNGs I played, the progression keept winning, and this for trips (not quads).
So if someone is thinking about playing this on a RNG, just beware that it can bust even this progression. Other than that, I am in agreement that it has the ability to be incinvicible on a live game betting against quads!
vundarosa
Thats an interesting point Vundarosa, it would be interessting to see how 8 Quads consecutive holds up on an Rng, you have to use the 7 wide format though. Ive never seen a five quad on A live wheel let alone an 8 quad. A typical game will deliver one or two quads or longer then a trip or two. then a few doubles. Then it cycles around again to a smilar batch of results. The reason I think five quads or beyond are rare is its asking random to remain in repeat phase for too long. Afterall in the longest vertical formations in THE MATRIX are never repeaters theyre non repeaters. Ive recorded a non repeating column of 17. You could live to be a 1000 and never see a column of 17 matching dozens. Even an RNG couldnt do that.
but we need a lot more testing with this too even guess the strikerate of the quads !
Quote from: Post on Mar 19, 02:19 PM 2011
But we need a lot more testing with this too even guess the strikerate of the quads !
Agreed Post its will take years. All I know At present is in over 1000 recorded games with a QUAD TRIGGER have see two 4 QUADS at most. That has to tell you something positive.
John, tomorrow, u said, u gonna bring us happiness? :love: :P
Iggiv, I think he's married already :xd:
Seriously, when will 2ofK roll off the showroom?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 19, 03:28 PM 2011
Iggiv, I think he's married already :xd:
Seriously, when will 2ofK roll off the showroom?
Thats a good one its still being finalized Proof. Check your PM later ive got that E/C meth coming to you sorry taken so long.
I am now playing your methode john legend I only skip the quad trigger and so I need 7 quads to bust but its earning at a verry good rate ;)
just did another 630 so spins and came +21 thats around a unit every 30 spins is this a good average john legend ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 19, 05:24 PM 2011
Just did another 630 so spins and came +21 that's around a unit every 30 spins is this a good average john legend ?
Yes Post its never even you may get two or three bets in a 50 spin batch then wait another 100 spins for the next QUAD. But if youre skipping the TRIGGER you will get alot more action as trips are a cert. Youve got me thinking do we even need a trigger on a live wheel? The last 50 games ive played broke down like this post.
1 QUAD 33
2 QUADS 12
3 QUADS 5
Not even one 4 QUAD Post so if you can afford to cover 6 quads. I THINK youll have a method that might win 5000/1 and again Im estimating as LIVE WHEELS simply dont like forming, too many QUADS in a row. WHAT IF MATRIX VERTICAL 6 QUAD IS THE HOLY GRAIL?
That's exactly what I was thinking I get lots more action in my session there were times I had 35 spins and 5 units profit so that's a unit every 7 spins and then it goes into the winning.
so I skipped the trigger and so you still need 7 quads to go bust. and we even haven't ever seen a 5 quad this could be a system with just that bit more strike rate don't you think ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 19, 06:10 PM 2011
That's exactly what I was thinking I get lots more action in my session there were times I had 35 spins and 5 units profit so that's a unit every 7 spins and then it goes into the winning.
so I skipped the trigger and so you still need 7 quads to go bust. and we even haven't ever seen a 5 quad this could be a system with just that bit more strike rate don't you think ?
Yes post that tweak may have just made this method alot more appealing and profitable over a smaller time frame well done. Im going to start playing without the trigger too.
Just did another 630 spins only I was +22 this time so that's 1 unit every 28 spins seems constant still need more testing ;)
and just did another 630 spins i was +28 this time thats a unit every 22 spins ! doing good so far most quads I have seen was 4 quads
Quote from: Post on Mar 20, 02:08 PM 2011
And just did another 630 spins I was +28 this time that's a unit every 22 spins ! doing good so far most quads I have seen was 4 quads
Thats the most ive seen too Post on a Live wheel. I waded over all my recorded Post and had I bet every TRIP to not become a QUAD Id havd made 4652 points no loss. And been taken this far in the progression twice
1,3,9,27,81x2 risk 242 Points. What Im saying here Post, is even if there had been 10 FIVE QUADS in my results. I would still be more than 2000 points ahead in profit. This Method simply DECODES ROULETTE...
Hello guys new to the forum! iv been playing roulette for donkeys years now and have spent so much money and time wasted on regular systems that don't work full stop! Started of at 16 with the martingale system on black and red I thought I was in the matrix and I knew a secret no one else knew ::) then came to realise 8 or 9 reds or black in a row was not to uncommon in the RNG game of roulette! bummer. . then went throught the years paying for systems that were not worth the paper they were written on! all in all I think I can say iv wasted near ÂÃ,£3-4k chassing roulette in search of a holy grail. I don't do testing on free play because you seem to get a "fairy" version of the real thing were nothing seems to go wrong. I do every testing on real money which is why I'm down so much bloody cash.
The latest roulette system iv come into contact with was aparently the holy grail for ÂÃ,£49. 99 :thumbsup: it involved waiting for 5 colours to come in a row, then putting a big sum on the same colour to come up for a 6th time but you would not bet. Instead you would wait for 2 minutes to suposidly trick the computer which he called MCSAP (Multiple Controller System Activity Program) which aparently moniters your bets which came from "2 insides sources" after 2 minutes you cancel bet quickly and put ÂÃ,£10 on the opposite colour. IF this failed you double your bet to ÂÃ,£20 if this failed again you SWITCHED COLOURS back to the one who is having a streak and bet ÂÃ,£40 if that failed you did your final bet which "in all his years has never lost" of ÂÃ,£80. Well I went armed to ladbrokes with ÂÃ,£150 and lost it in 10 minutes contact the guy and like a black hole he has disapeard off the face of the earth 8)nice.
Anyways guys sorry for the long post but I'm realy posting to say I have been folowing this thread for 4 days now and I still don't have a clue how to make any sense of it! could anyone please pm md with a more lamen easy to understand version of how this works I don't have a clue what a quad is, what this trigger I'm looking for is or how to bet please someone give me a hand!
Thanks a lot, Theway2go
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 20, 06:07 PM 2011
Hello guys new to the forum! iv been playing roulette for donkeys years now and have spent so much money and time wasted on regular systems that don't work full stop! Started of at 16 with the martingale system on black and red I thought I was in the matrix and I knew a secret no one else knew ::) then came to realise 8 or 9 reds or black in a row was not to uncommon in the RNG game of roulette! bummer. . then went throught the years paying for systems that were not worth the paper they were written on! all in all I think I can say iv wasted near ÂÃ,£3-4k chassing roulette in search of a holy grail. I don't do testing on free play because you seem to get a "fairy" version of the real thing were nothing seems to go wrong. I do every testing on real money which is why I'm down so much bloody cash.
The latest roulette system iv come into contact with was aparently the holy grail for ÂÃ,£49. 99 :thumbsup: it involved waiting for 5 colours to come in a row, then putting a big sum on the same colour to come up for a 6th time but you would not bet. Instead you would wait for 2 minutes to suposidly trick the computer which he called MCSAP (Multiple Controller System Activity Program) which aparently moniters your bets which came from "2 insides sources" after 2 minutes you cancel bet quickly and put ÂÃ,£10 on the opposite colour. IF this failed you double your bet to ÂÃ,£20 if this failed again you SWITCHED COLOURS back to the one who is having a streak and bet ÂÃ,£40 if that failed you did your final bet which "in all his years has never lost" of ÂÃ,£80. Well I went armed to ladbrokes with ÂÃ,£150 and lost it in 10 minutes contact the guy and like a black hole he has disapeard off the face of the earth 8)nice.
Anyways guys sorry for the long post but I'm realy posting to say I have been folowing this thread for 4 days now and I still don't have a clue how to make any sense of it! could anyone please pm md with a more lamen easy to understand version of how this works I don't have a clue what a quad is, what this trigger I'm looking for is or how to bet please someone give me a hand!
Thanks a lot, Theway2go
Hi Theway2go let me start by saying. Welcome to the forum. Stay here learn this method And STOP PLAYING THOSE RIGGED bookmaker machines. They read what youre doing THEY ARE NOT ROULETTE at all.
What is MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD?
ARM yourself with a pen and WRITING BOOK. When you record spins for the dozens. You record them like this in a 7 wide grid.
2333012
2112112
3333212
3112222-TRIGGER=Doz 2 column 7 A QUAD
3122111-Bet 1 Doz 3 column 1 we bet
AGAINST IT BECOMING A QUAD
A VERTICAL FORMATION of 4 of the same DOZEN is a QUAD. We are now playing without it. What we do is bet against every vertical TRIP (3 OF THE SAME DOZEN) becoming a Quad using a progression. This is my concept Theway2go perfected by two other forum members learn how to play this on a real wheel and winning is assured.
little confused mate there was a quad of 3333 just above the 2222? is that a mistake or am i understanding it wrong?
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 20, 07:03 PM 2011
Little confused mate there was a quad of 3333 just above the 2222? is that a mistake or am I understanding it wrong?
LoL we are not looking left to right horizontaly, Its VERTICAL FORMATIONS we are interested in Theway2go. This is a completely different approach to beating the game. SO, you trigger is column 7 dozen 2, your first bet would be column 1 dozen 3 No one has ever seen 5 consecutive vertical Quads on a live wheel Theway2go. that's the idea we bet against this. 6 or 7 QUADS in a row may be as hard for TRUE random to produce as 37 numbers in 37 spins. If so THIS is THE HOLY GRAIL.
ow my god i finaly get it LOL! thanks sooo much man i been looking the wrong way all this time what a daft prat! no wonder why i didnt understand a thing anyone was going on about in this whole thread ::) was just wondering if you can make the staking plan as lamen as possible for me aswel :D how would i be beting? progessive im geusing but what are the numbers, how many times will i bet this specific chip count and when will i move on if i am still loosing? do i have to wait for 4 in a row i heard someone saying they are playing after just two? please tell me the best a most profitable way to play it without bringing the risk up by too much. Thanks so much john honestly. -Theway2go
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 20, 07:24 PM 2011
Ow my God I finaly get it LoL! thanks sooo much man I been looking the wrong way all this time what a daft prat! no wonder why I didn't understand a thing anyone was going on about in this whole thread ::) was just wondering if you can make the staking plan as lamen as possible for me as well :D how would I be beting? progessive I'm geusing but what are the numbers, how many times will I bet this specific chip count and when will I move on if I am still losing? do I have to wait for 4 in a row I heard someone saying they are playing after just two? please tell me the best a most profitable way to play it without bringing the risk up by too much. Thanks so much john honestly. -Theway2go
The way we have been staking is the classic
1,3,9,27,81x2 That USED to be with One quad TRIGGER. BUT, it slowed the game right down. And alot of potential profit was lost. Now, we are playing against every TRIP BECOMING A QUAD. Sometimes you will get 7,8,9 TRIPS before a QUAD forms Why waste all those wins?
If you just starting out you could stake as Zig Zag suggested 1,1-3,3 2,2-6,6
The idea is there will be more trips than quads overall if you lose at level 1 you move to level 2 you will make a profit. But ive got 4652 trips recorded and only two 4 QUADS in thousands of results. ITS AMAZING.
Ok iv gone completly confused again what do you mean bet columns I thought we are betting dozens and why would you bet dozen 3 column 1 when you could be column 3 dozen 1 I'm realy just siting here confusing myself. A minute ago we had to wait for 4 of the dozens to come in a row now we are waiting for 3 dozens to come in a row and betting it doesn't come 4 times? I don't even understand why we have a row of 7? what does the row of 7 even do how can you bet that dozen 2 will not come up in 7 spins? it will definalty come up in 7 spins or am I completly far of here? but the main thing is what the hell is a column I thought we are betting dozens? ahh I'm so danm confused I don't know if its because its late or I wil never understand this and also the staking plan just looks like a bunch of numbers to me I have no idea what to bet? ÂÃ,£1 twice then ÂÃ,£2? I'm CONFUSED. COM LoL dum it down so much as if your trying to explain to a mentaly retarded person please LoL :-\ ::)
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 20, 08:02 PM 2011
Ok iv gone completly confused again what do you mean bet columns I thought we are betting dozens and why would you bet dozen 3 column 1 when you could be column 3 dozen 1 I'm realy just siting here confusing myself. A minute ago we had to wait for 4 of the dozens to come in a row now we are waiting for 3 dozens to come in a row and betting it doesn't come 4 times? I don't even understand why we have a row of 7? what does the row of 7 even do how can you bet that dozen 2 will not come up in 7 spins? it will definalty come up in 7 spins or am I completly far of here? but the main thing is what the hell is a column I thought we are betting dozens? ahh I'm so danm confused I don't know if its because its late or I wil never understand this and also the staking plan just looks like a bunch of numbers to me I have no idea what to bet? ÂÃ,£1 twice then ÂÃ,£2? I'm CONFUSED. COM LoL dum it down so much as if your trying to explain to a mentaly retarded person please LoL :-\ ::)
Listen, Forget the layout in roulette. The column has nothing to do with the columns on the layout you normally play against.
2
2
2--That is a VERTICAL COLUMN of 3 DOZEN 2s Yes? Anytime you see one of them for any of the dozens you bet against it becoming a QUAD. Do you understand that?
So which of these is the best the matrix 3 betting against trips or the matrix 7 against quads?
Hi johnlegend.
I like what i read here.
Can you please post the full rules to the system so its no confusion and with the progression?
Thanks:)
Jon
Ok I’m going to just lay it out here,
Say if I was tracking a live roulette wheel (which i was last night on super casino) through my tracking these numbers came up:
1313212
1323211
1312211
1133332
1322231
Now you see my problem with this, there are three trips in one go so what the hell do you bet on?
1313212
1323211
1312211
as you can see we had 3 trips in one go so how would i bet and which one of them would i bet not becoming a quad?
This is what i understand if you get these numbers for instance:
1221323
3233212
12<----here is obviously your trip and you bet on it not becoming a quad so you bet columns 1 and 3 if you happen to lose do you bet straight away or do you wait all the way till it comes back round the that column then bet that it won’t form a 5th then if that fails u wait till it comes back around and bet that it won’t form a 6th?
But the problem i have with that is in my first game i already saw a vertical row of 6's 1ns as you can see on the top so this would of made me bust yes?
Also the 7x7 grid what do you mean say if I don’t form a trip in the beginning of the 7x7 grid but towards the end does that mean its invalid and I need to start a new 7x7 grid?
Example:
1321123
3112232
2331122
2112233
2232112
As you can see in the first column the 2 has formed a trip but its towards the end of the 7x7 grid thus the grid would have to leak over to the next grid if it lost just to follow the progression betting. Do you only bet when you have a trip forming right at the beginning of the 7x7 grid?
Please full step by step rules to the absolute detail needs to be posted so everyone here knows how to follow it correctly and not moan when it goes wrong because of something we didn’t follow right!
you just bet every trip and hope you dont see a 5 quad and yes if there a three triples you bet the three triples and maybe even have 3 units the next spins because non of them becam a quad ;)
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 21, 01:01 PM 2011
Ok I’m going to just lay it out here,
Say if I was tracking a live roulette wheel (which I was last night on super casino) through my tracking these numbers came up:
1313212
1323211
1312211
1133332
1322231
Now you see my problem with this, there are three trips in one go so what the hell do you bet on?
1313212
1323211
1312211
as you can see we had 3 trips in one go so how would I bet and which one of them would I bet not becoming a quad?
This is what I understand if you get these numbers for instance:
1221323
3233212
12<----here is obviously your trip and you bet on it not becoming a quad so you bet columns 1 and 3 if you happen to lose do you bet straight away or do you wait all the way till it comes back round the that column then bet that it won’t form a 5th then if that fails you wait till it comes back around and bet that it won’t form a 6th?
But the problem I have with that is in my first game I already saw a vertical row of 6's 1ns as you can see on the top so this would of made me bust yes?
Also the 7x7 grid what do you mean say if I don’t form a trip in the beginning of the 7x7 grid but towards the end does that mean its invalid and I need to start a new 7x7 grid?
Example:
1321123
3112232
2331122
2112233
2232112
As you can see in the first column the 2 has formed a trip but its towards the end of the 7x7 grid thus the grid would have to leak over to the next grid if it lost just to follow the progression betting. Do you only bet when you have a trip forming right at the beginning of the 7x7 grid?
Please full step by step rules to the absolute detail needs to be posted so everyone here knows how to follow it correctly and not moan when it goes wrong because of something we didn’t follow right!
You would bet ON ALL OF THEM one after the other, thats the beauty of the matrix there can only be one bet at a time left to right do you understand that Theway2go?
Do we bet without trigger?
And what progression?
This is the same as the other only for live wheel yes ? or is it something different?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 21, 01:35 PM 2011
Do we bet without trigger?
And what progression?
This is the same as the other only for live wheel yes ? or is it something different?
Jon
Jon at the moment everyones talking about MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. Without the trigger we have a method with a good turnover considering its potentially ridiculous strikerate. I mean if I reach a point where ive got 10,000 TRIPS AND ZERO 5 QUADS. This method is the HOLY GRAIL with an excellent turnover. RANDOM HAS LIMITS, Contrary to what mathematicians have fed the gullible. 37 NUMBERS IN 37 SPINS IS A DEFINATE ONE. And 6 CONSECUTIVE QUADS MAY BE ANOTHER.
So this tread is the same as the other you answered me on ?
Jon :)
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 21, 02:00 PM 2011
So this tread is the same as the other you answered me on ?
Jon :)
Not the same but the current HOT TOPIC IS MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD played without the trigger. It greatly improves it profit turnover. And at the same time has an incredible strikrate by the stats I have.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Feb 16, 02:01 PM 2011
Okay to start off this is Scooby doos brainchild. I think its excellent for two main reasons. ONE, it addresses the problem MATRIX VERTICAL has for betting pace on a live wheel. And TWO, you know that you are going to be playing the odds of random. And not a generated predatory RNG.
THE RULES
(01) We are using a 3 wide 10 deep grid for this method.
(02) We are playing against 5 trebles in a row forming
(03) We record spins until a vertical treble forms. We then place that treble to the top left of our proposed 3 by 10 grid as in the example below. This becomes our trigger
300
300
300=TRIGGER
000
000
002
002
001=WIN
000
000
000
DOING THIS ALLOWS US To MAXIMIZE our play in the grid.
(04) We are using the classic four step progression 1--3--9--27--x2=80pts risk, newbies could use Atlantis excellent 40 unit risk on live wheels that alow a minumum of 1 unit for total bets. I.E COVER THE LINES OF THE TWO OPPOSING DOZENS.
4X25P--4X75p--4x2.25p--4x6.75p=total 40 units risk
(05) We stop at a win OR if it happens a loss of four steps.
(06) Most wins will occur within the 30 spin grid. If however it is necessary to go beyond it to complete a session then you do so.
SO THOSE ARE THE CONCRETE RULES OF *MATRIX VERTICAL 30 LIVE ATTACK*
I will begin posting results soon as I garner them, for this to be a successful method for me. I would expect a 200/1 strikerate overall. Lets see if I get it...Anyone interested in this method, ask as many questions as you need to, to fully understand it. I am sure its creator will have plenty of input to add. MANY THANKS... ;)
Can someone explaine how we write the line on this matrix. I understand the other 7=7 matrix but not this?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 21, 04:41 PM 2011
Can someone explaine how we write the line on this matrix. I understand the other 7=7 matrix but not this?
Jon
Hi Jon
The Matrix30 is 3 horizontal and 10 vertical like this
322 ----- 3 Horizontal
331
321
233
211
231
123
123
321
321 ------ 10 down = 30 spins
Sometime you have to carry on beyond the 30 spins if your already in play
Your first TRIGGER is the start of your Matrix
Thanks.
Can you try to explain how to play in a easy way to me. ;D What are we betting on?
Jon
Just as in the Matrix vertical we are betting on dozens
Verticaly we bet that a double wont become a treble.
Our trigger to start the matrix we wait for our first trebble to form. (virtual)
Thats our trigger to start the matrix
231
123
132
123 --Here in red we see the first TREBLE. Thats our trigger to start
112
232 ---Here is our first double in blue
113 ---Here we bet 1+3 Dozen 3 dozen wins :thumbsup:
123 Now we look for another Trigger (Treble)
123 <Here we find another trebble (1st doz) and next to it a double 2 doz
331 <----Now we bet against the 2 dozen. Its wins
End session
Maybe my way of explaining things has confused you more :twisted:
Instead of trying to avoid a vertical triple or quad etc, how often do you see a dozen repeat vertically?
My experiences with a 7 wide matrix shows often enough to take advantage of.
eg:
1123212
1323122 - in this example there are four dozens that line up vertically
Granted sometimes there is the occasional stretch (6+spins) of it not hitting but so far it looks good.
Will keep testing.....
E
John,
Which is the best in your point of view. . . The matrix 3 X10 betting against trips or the 7x7 betting against quads?
Everyone seems to have jumped on the 7x7 real quick, but I know you were having good success with the 3X10.
Quote from: eluka on Mar 21, 08:39 PM 2011
Instead of trying to avoid a vertical triple or quad etc, how often do you see a dozen repeat vertically?
My experiences with a 7 wide matrix shows often enough to take advantage of.
e.g.:
1123212
1323122 - in this example there are four dozens that line up vertically
Granted sometimes there is the occasional stretch (6+spins) of it not hitting but so far it looks good.
Will keep testing.....
E
Hi Eluka, this was my original idea for playing the MATRIX SEE MATRIX 50 THE ONE THREAD. You would need a trigger though. Ive seen 19 spins no match several times. So a trigger of at least 5 non matching dozens, and a stop loss limit, should you run into the mother of all losing streaks. Ive seen a streak of 7 matches and a streak of 19 non matches several times.
Quote from: alfgard on Mar 21, 10:53 PM 2011
John,
Which is the best in your point of view. . . The matrix 3 X10 betting against trips or the 7x7 betting against quads?
Everyone seems to have jumped on the 7x7 real quick, but I know you were having good success with the 3X10.
THE MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD is without question the more invincible if the two. Random can run off 5 TRIPS too often for comfort. But YOU MUST USE at least one trigger for the TRIPS METH. Where thanks to Post this method is so solid with QUADS weve revised the need to have one.
Ok just played few games and I'm 3 points up but I want to know its because I'm following it right and not just because of luck so this is one of the games and how I played it:
2132331
3223212
3332032
1332332<----- i didnt even notice this trip!! its late at night LOL
3122231<----- as you can see column 4 dozen 2 has gone into a trip so I wait till it came
1222102 round again and betted again this happening but I lost if you see the next
1323032 line. so I waited again and when it came back around I betted and I won
2231230
1122213
anyways as this was happening if you check column 6 you can see a trip of
dozen 3 has formed so I better this and zero came up so I took it as a loss then I waited for it to come around and betted then another 3 so another loss then I waited for it to come back round and betted then another 3! I was about to give up but thought I would bet one more time for ÂÃ,£9 or dozen 1 and ÂÃ,£9 on dozen 2 and finaly I won! I know I had one more bet of ÂÃ,£27- ÂÃ,£27 but was this not bloody close?
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 22, 10:56 PM 2011
Ok just played few games and I'm 3 points up but I want to know its because I'm following it right and not just because of luck so this is one of the games and how I played it:
2132331
3223212
3332032
1332332<----- I didn't even notice this trip!! its late at night LoL
3122231<----- as you can see column 4 dozen 2 has gone into a trip so I wait till it came
1222102 round again and betted again this happening but I lost if you see the next
1323032 line. so I waited again and when it came back around I betted and I won
2231230
1122213
anyways as this was happening if you check column 6 you can see a trip of
dozen 3 has formed so I better this and zero came up so I took it as a loss then I waited for it to come around and betted then another 3 so another loss then I waited for it to come back round and betted then another 3! I was about to give up but thought I would bet one more time for ÂÃ,£9 or dozen 1 and ÂÃ,£9 on dozen 2 and finaly I won! I know I had one more bet of ÂÃ,£27- ÂÃ,£27 but was this not bloody close?
The Matrix30 is 3 wide and 10 down
313
322
333 1st col (3rd Doz) Trigger RED
123
313 <<<here you lost Col3 (3rd Doz) 1-1 progression BLUE
123
133
223 <<<Here you win 1st col (2nd Doz) GREEN 3-3 progression
113
321
As you can see from this Matrix there are only 2 betting opportunites so session end
Hi.
did somebody lose with this one yet ?
Jon :)
Havent lost yet on the dozens but ive seen coloums produce a 7 loss in a row (Live wheel)
I do snipe betting for a few wins each session 8)
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 28, 06:33 AM 2011
Haven't lost yet on the dozens but I've seen coloums produce a 7 loss in a row (Live wheel)
I do snipe betting for a few wins each session 8)
Ok. Thanks :)
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 28, 06:33 AM 2011
Haven't lost yet on the dozens but I've seen coloums produce a 7 loss in a row (Live wheel)
I do snipe betting for a few wins each session 8)
--------------------
do you mean you've seen 7 consecutive quads forming on columns without a trip in between?! or do you mean the same column forming vertically (repeating) up to 7 times? If the later then its not a loss because we're only betting against quads (or against trips as in the original M30 live attack)
While playing live whell in a 3x matrix i've seen 6 trips form, and up to 8 of the same doz/col form vertically on 3x, 5x and 7x matrices.
Vundarosa
vundarosa
Hi Vundarosa
I have seen 7 individual trips in a row on the coloums. Playing dozens i havent yet been broken by more than 4 individual trips in a row after a trigger. I was playing a 4 step progression. I like Matrix30 for its faster play but now only play Matrix Vertical ;)
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 07:50 AM 2011
Hi Vundarosa
I have seen 7 individual trips in a row on the coloums. Playing dozens I haven't yet been broken by more than 4 individual trips in a row after a trigger. I was playing a 4 step progression. I like Matrix30 for its faster play but now only play Matrix Vertical ;)
I taking this concept to the next level for ABSOLUTE INVINCIBILITY MATRIX VERTICAL QUINTET. What occurred to me yesterday is that in all my testing ive never seen more than 3 quintets or longer in a row. There is no question RANDOMS not able to produce 5 QUINTETS.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 09:25 AM 2011
I taking this concept to the next level for ABSOLUTE INVINCIBILITY MATRIX VERTICAL QUINTET. What occurred to me yesterday is that in all my testing I've never seen more than 3 quintets or longer in a row. There is no question RANDOMS not able to produce 5 QUINTETS.
Hi mate :)
How do you propose we play that ?
Wait for a Quintet and then bet Quads not to become them ?
Cheers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 09:25 AM 2011
I've never seen more than 3 quintets or longer in a row.
Is that after a trigger?
What means quintets?
Jon :)
its also called a 5 pointer like this
1232322
1232123
1232231
1233221
1223321 thats a 5 pointer collum 1
John legend if we wait for a 5 pointer as trigger we could play only 1-1 3-3 9-9 and double after every 26 wins because you haven't seen 4 once ever ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 10:34 AM 2011
Its also called a 5 pointer like this
1232322
1232123
1232231
1233221
1223321 that's a 5 pointer collum 1
Thanks Post now i get it.
But isnt this imposible to play on live wheel?
Isnt it hard enough to wait for a 4 quad trigger in the matrix vertical and now we sould wait for a 5quad and bet after 4 that it wont become a 5. Or am i wrong?
Jon
let me explain if you would have one win say every 2 hours it would still be gold because after 52 hours you can double and then double again after 52 hour the diffrence is that you can do this until you are betting with 55 a win
so if you would have one win every two hours at the end you would make 27 an hour thats even 9 units more than playing with quads because we only need a three progression we can keep doubling until 55 times the starting bet.
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 10:59 AM 2011
Let me explain if you would have one win say every 2 hours it would still be gold because after 52 hours you can double and then double again after 52 hour the diffrence is that you can do this until you are betting with 55 a win
so if you would have one win every two hours at the end you would make 27 an hour that's even 9 units more than playing with quads because we only need a three progression we can keep doubling until 55 times the starting bet.
Yes that i understand :)
But do we play exactly as the matrix vertical 4quad but now we wait for a 5 in a row vertical trigger and bet when we get a 4 quad that it will not become a 5?
Am i right? :)
probably play the same ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 11:10 AM 2011
Probably play the same ;)
This way is the way to beat this game:):) wait for quads:)
When i play live its hard to get a 4quad trigger. And with this its wait for a 5 and bet when we get next 4. It will never lose but i would bet big if i get one of those 4 after a 5 beacuse i think its very rare to get:)
JohnLegend :)
Can you confirm that we wait for a 5 quad trigger an bet on next 4?
Its the same as the matrix 4 quad but now only 5 and bet on 4 not to become 5 right?
Jon :)
Do you play with a Trigger for this on live play ?
Or just bet the first quad not to become a 5 timer ?
Im gonna go over my numbers and see how many 5 timers ive had in a row. They are are all reall play numbers, no RNG.
Will report back on stats :thumbsup:
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 10:35 AM 2011
John legend if we wait for a 5 pointer as trigger we could play only 1-1 3-3 9-9 and double after every 26 wins because you haven't seen 4 once ever ;)
EXACTLY Post it turns TURNS THE MATRIX VERTICAL 5 INTO THE GRAIL OF *GRAILS*. In other words YOU WILL NEVER LOSE. Yes the wait for a QUINTET will require PATIENCE but its a wait for A CERTAIN win.
you could start of the winning with 26 units 1-1 3-3 9-9 or 52 2-2 6-6 18-18 or even more to your likings if you would make 1 an hour with the 52 it would be good i mean one win every 2 hours of 2 meaning 1 unit an hour an after 26 wins double til al the way up to the table limits ;)
Your idea for doubling the progression has made me think about this POST If a 4 QUINTET NEVER HAPPENS then yes youl wait a bit longer than for a QUAD TRIGGER. But nobody on this forum is going to complain when A, YOU can't LOSE. A B, YOU ROLL YOUR 78 POINT RISK 6 TIMES. And remember youll be winning 3pts at a time instead of 1 and there are more QUINTETS OR SEXTETS than you think just not consecutive.. ;D ;D
With trigger you could play both matrix30 quintets and Vertical Matrix together using 2 banks 106 units in total :xd:
Ok ive just gone over almost 4000 numbers in batchs of 185
The best result was 5 wins in a row
The worst result was 3 losses in a row ( 3 five timers one after another)
No way of knowing if the next Quad did or did not become a 5 timer as that batch ended
The full results are as follows
PLZ note when it ends on a L thats because that batch came to an end and there was no more data in that file
W L L
L W W W L L
W L W L W
L W W
W W L
W L L W L
W W W L
W L W
W W
W W L
W
W
L W
W L
W W L L
W W W W W
W L W W
L W
L W L W
L L L
Each line of results is from a batch of 185 numbers from Smartlive Casino Real Wheel
Shouldn't this thread be kept to talking about the matrix 30 instead of referring to the other matrix method.Very confusing to newcomers reading these thread I should think :question:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 12:47 PM 2011
With trigger you could play both matrix30 quintets and Vertical Matrix together using 2 banks 106 units in total :xd:
EXACTLY ZIG ZAG, you may think this slows you down when in fact it doesnt, you are winning more so you will double your bank 3 times faster.
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 11:23 AM 2011
When I play live its hard to get a 4quad trigger. And with this its wait for a 5 and bet when we get next 4. It will never lose but I would bet big if I get one of those 4 after a 5 beacuse I think its very rare to get:)
Should,nt this be in a new thread.Anyway how long would you have to wait for the above to appear.I know you need patience in roulette but this is bordering on the ridiculous.
making 25 units an hour is ridicules mate ;)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 12:50 PM 2011
Ok I've just gone over almost 4000 numbers in batchs of 185
The best result was 5 wins in a row
The worst result was 3 losses in a row ( 3 five timers one after another)
No way of knowing if the next Quad did or did not become a 5 timer as that batch ended
The full results are as follows
PLZ note when it ends on a L that's because that batch came to an end and there was no more data in that file
W L L
L W W W L L
W L W L W
L W W
W W L
W L L W L
W W W L
W L W
W W
W W L
W
W
L W
W L
W W L L
W W W W W
W L W W
L W
L W L W
L L L
Each line of results is from a batch of 185 numbers from Smartlive Casino Real Wheel
Nice work TWISTER, well ive got 22,700 spins live wheel data. 8 tripple QUINTETS in there nothing beyond that RANDOM doesnt want to know play it 5x5 and forget it HOLY GRAIL ABSOLUTE.
witch matrix should i play this just the 7 wide matrix ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 01:07 PM 2011
Witch matrix should I play this just the 7 wide matrix ?
The above results were on a 7x Matrix
Is this played on a 3 wide?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 01:04 PM 2011
Nice work TWISTER, well I've got 22,700 spins live wheel data. 8 tripple QUINTETS in there nothing beyond that RANDOM doesn't want to know play it 5x5 and forget it HOLY GRAIL ABSOLUTE.
Only 8 Five timers in a row ?
How close were they to each other mate ?
What do you mean play it 5x5 ? Is that instead of 7x ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 01:07 PM 2011
Witch matrix should I play this just the 7 wide matrix ?
Im going to start a new thread post as Moles40 suggested called *MATRIX VERTICAL 5* Im going to play it FIVE WIDE Post. It makes sense we have three wide and 7 wide methods. PLUS It holds up in my 20,000 spin results amazingly.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 01:14 PM 2011
I'm going to start a new thread post as Moles40 suggested called *MATRIX VERTICAL 5* I'm going to play it FIVE WIDE Post. It makes sense we have three wide and 7 wide methods. PLUS It holds up in my 20,000 spin results amazingly.
Why 5 wide ?
5 wide doesnt that effect the strike rate ?
5 wide is good as that will allow you to play both quads (7 wide) and quintets (5 wide) and matrix30 (3 wide) together with 3 seperate banks :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 01:13 PM 2011
Only 8 Five timers in a row ?
How close were they to each other mate ?
What do you mean play it 5x5 ? Is that instead of 7x ?
No Twister mean in all those spins which were recorded 5 wide the was a LLL 8 times across 20,000 spins. I will be using my original 5 wide grid.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 01:21 PM 2011
No Twister mean in all those spins which were recorded 5 wide the was a LLL 8 times across 20,000 spins. I will be using my original 5 wide grid.
Ah I see :thumbsup:
Why does a 5x work better than a 7x ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 01:19 PM 2011
5 wide doesn't that effect the strike rate ?
Nope IT SPEEDS THE TURNOVER, Ive got 20,000 spins FIVE WIDE POST NO 4 QUINTETS.
Do you think we can get one unit in every 2 hours ? if so it would be great
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 01:29 PM 2011
Do you think we can get one unit in every 2 hours ? if so it would be great
Post if you start with 78 points you will get 3 units on average every 120 spins then after 26 wins youll be get 6 units and so on YES? ;D ;D
So we can play this without a trigger? :smile:
it is that easy indeed ;D you can also start with 52 winning 2 and after 26 wins double from there with 104 meaning 4 units every 130 spins and so on till table limits witch if they are 500 is till 55 units a win so every hour 27 units
So what is the 4 step progression ?
1-1
3-3
9-9
27-27
Yes ?
With or without a Trigger ?
I would say a trigger and only 3 steps 1-1 3-3 9-9 total 26 and keep doubling them ;)
Ok :thumbsup:
Lets wait for john to post it up
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 01:51 PM 2011
So what is the 4 step progression ?
1-1
3-3
9-9
27-27
Yes ?
With or without a Trigger ?
With a Trigger Twister its more INVINCIBLE than a 6 QUAD. Where its an improvement is to finance a 6 QUAD TAKES 242 UNITS to finance a 5 QUINTET TAKES 80 UNITS. Its FIVE all the way Twister. We are playing against 5 QUINTETS forming in a 5 wide MATRIX for improved turnover but not compromised security. I will have the thread and rules down tonight. A HOLY GRAIL FOR A 80 UNIT BUY IN. Yes please...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 02:14 PM 2011
With a Trigger Twister its more INVINCIBLE than a 6 QUAD. Where its an improvement is to finance a 6 QUAD TAKES 242 UNITS to finance a 5 QUINTET TAKES 80 UNITS. Its FIVE all the way Twister. We are playing against 5 QUINTETS forming in a 5 wide MATRIX for improved turnover but not compromised security. I will have the thread and rules down tonight. A HOLY GRAIL FOR A 80 UNIT BUY IN. Yes please...
Bomb proof ?
Nuclear proof ?
This is gonna be Supernova Proof :o :o :o
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 02:21 PM 2011
Bomb proof ?
Nuclear proof ?
This is gonna be Supernova Proof :o :o :o
GAMMA RADIATION PROOF LoL When youre on form youre the Man Twister.
I'm telling you TWISTER, POST EVERYONE. For a mere 80 unit buy in you have a system that will not lose in your lifetime. Okay give me a few hours then look out for the thread MATRIX VERTICAL *5* RANDOM BLACK HOLE.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 02:31 PM 2011
GAMMA RADIATION PROOF LoL When youre on form youre the Man Twister.
I'm telling you TWISTER, POST EVERYONE. For a mere 80 unit buy in you have a system that will not lose in your lifetime. Okay give me a few hours then look out for the thread MATRIX VERTICAL *5* RANDOM BLACK HOLE.
This could be it!!!
THE MATRIX - RELOADED! :)
And - because the future's so bright - you might wanna wear shades while you're playin'.
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A.
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 29, 02:33 PM 2011
This could be it!!!
THE MATRIX - RELOADED! :)
And - because the future's so bright - you might wanna wear shades while you're playin'.
link:://sunglassshack.com/items/Matrix-Sunglasses/list.htm?gclid=CIWHv_u09KcCFRRC4Qod91w5ag (link:://sunglassshack.com/items/Matrix-Sunglasses/list.htm?gclid=CIWHv_u09KcCFRRC4Qod91w5ag)
A.
:D :D :D
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 29, 02:33 PM 2011
This could be it!!!
THE MATRIX - RELOADED! :)
A.
Lol yes Atlantis. I believe weve gone full revolution lol. it started at 5 went to 7 then to 3 now back to 5. BUT, with all that weve learnt since you Twister and myself forged the Matrix Vertical concept into a playable system.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 02:40 PM 2011
LoL yes Atlantis. I believe weve gone full revolution LoL. it started at 5 went to 7 then to 3 now back to 5. BUT, with all that weve learnt since you Twister and myself forged the Matrix Vertical concept into a playable system.
I love you guys for making this.
This is it :)
With patient we have the HOLY GRAIL ;D ;D ;D
For building up excitement for a system, there is surely no better than JL
Black Hole Proof!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 02:40 PM 2011
LoL yes Atlantis. I believe weve gone full revolution LoL. it started at 5 went to 7 then to 3 now back to 5. BUT, with all that weve learnt since you Twister and myself forged the Matrix Vertical concept into a playable system.
We are Banging :D
The matrix gets better and better. I can see early retirement for me in the sunny Spain drinking pimm's :xd: 8)
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 02:47 PM 2011
The matrix gets better and better. I can see early retirement for me in the sunny Spain drinking pimm's :xd: 8)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 02:47 PM 2011
The matrix gets better and better. I can see early retirement for me in the sunny Spain drinking pimm's :xd: 8)
See you there Buddy :D :thumbsup:
I always wanted to be a millionaire.
Never thought it would happen so soon.
Not that I'm complaining
buffalo wizzard we came from far the VLS site trying all sorts of shit there and here we are :D
o
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 02:41 PM 2011
I love you guys for making this.
This is it :)
With patient we have the HOLY GRAIL ;D ;D ;D
I agree. 9.30pm Thread will be up
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 03:00 PM 2011
OI agree. 9.30pm Thread will be up
What timezone are you in?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 29, 02:56 PM 2011
I always wanted to be a millionaire.
Never thought it would happen so soon.
Not that I'm complaining
Might take me a bit longer as i'm still using 10p chips :-[
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 03:02 PM 2011
Might take me a bit longer as i'm still using 10p chips :-[
Then you will be the 10p millionaire :D :thumbsup:
zig zag not that mutch longer just kee doubling mate and make your 10cent 10 million
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 03:04 PM 2011
Zig zag not that mutch longer just kee doubling mate and make your 10cent 10 million
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 03:02 PM 2011
What timezone are you in?
He is UK
Its BST
Right now its 20:09
Post. Your money managment is brilliant and love turning pennys into pounds. I have written down in my notebook when to double. Thanks :thumbsup:
I bought my notebook from POUNDLAND ;D
10p million = fine by me!
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 02:47 PM 2011
The matrix gets better and better. I can see early retirement for me in the sunny Spain drinking pimm's :xd: 8)
Yes and TWISTERUK will no doubt give the FIVE THE RNG shakedown lol.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 03:12 PM 2011
Yes and TWISTERUK will no doubt give the FIVE THE RNG shakedown LoL.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D
Im playin on a Live Wheel only
So if I get raped at least it will be by God and not Man :D
thats how i think about it too twisteruk
twister, you still playing BV no Zero?
I waiting for Twister to be the party pooper again :D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 03:13 PM 2011
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D
I'm playin on a Live Wheel only
So if I get raped at least it will be by God and not Man :D
Love it, well heres the good news I have 12,000 spins from the Ladbrokes RNG for my original MATRIX 50 THE ONE METHOD. I couldnt break this one 4 QUINTETS ONCE in 12,000 spins.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 29, 03:17 PM 2011
Twister, you still playing BV no Zero?
Nope. Just Live Wheels
PaddyPower is my fav ;D
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 03:15 PM 2011
That's how I think about it too twisteruk
Yeah, I doubt I will play RNG again ;)
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 03:20 PM 2011
I waiting for Twister to be the party pooper again :D
LOL :D
Trust me I dont wanna be !
But if it happens it will be on a Live Wheel, so I know its a pure rape lol ;D
If it is black hole proof then it will eat RNG for breakfast
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 03:21 PM 2011
Love it, well heres the good news I have 12,000 spins from the Ladbrokes RNG for my original MATRIX 50 THE ONE METHOD. I couldnt break this one 4 QUINTETS ONCE in 12,000 spins.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So you have only ever seen Four Quintets Once ? Ever Period ever :o
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 03:23 PM 2011
LoL :D
Trust me I don't wanna be !
But if it happens it will be on a Live Wheel, so I know its a pure rape LoL ;D
If it happens on a Live wheel any more than 1000/1 I will eat a dead dog while juggling 3 chickens, then give up roulette and start playing BLACKJACK.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 03:29 PM 2011
If it happens on a Live wheel any more than 1000/1 I will eat a dead dog while juggling 3 chickens, then give up roulette and start playing BLACKJACK.
LooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL :D :D :D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 03:21 PM 2011
Love it, well heres the good news I have 12,000 spins from the Ladbrokes RNG for my original MATRIX 50 THE ONE METHOD. I couldnt break this one 4 QUINTETS ONCE in 12,000 spins.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:thumbsup:
we dont cheat we just beat the game ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 04:01 PM 2011
We don't cheat we just beat the game ;)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 04:01 PM 2011
We don't cheat we just beat the game ;)
Well, at 9.30 we will