Hi Guys.
Thanks for looking.
This is an idea i posted a while back. I tweaked a bit and then tested against live play on DB and smart live with very good results. About 1 in 6 sessions lost, some streaks of 10+ winning sessions in a row. Tried it with real money at local casino. Had two losing sessions in a row (something that had also happened when testing, but never more than two in a row). Like stepping into a cold sea, my balls shrank and method is on hold. Am moving house so life has staked a claim on rest of BR for now so can do no more live testing with real money.
I would be grateful if anyone would be prepared to have a look at this further for me and offer any feedback as to whether or not this works.
Method:
Starting BR is 500 units.
Wait for five/ count back down the marquee the last five unique numbers. Next spin bet those five numbers, one unit on each. If you win then reset.
If you lose then rebet, including the number that was just drawn, so now you are betting on six numbers, one unit on each. If you win then reset (to last five unique numbers).
If you lose then add the last number drawn. You are now betting on seven numbers -the last seven numbers drawn, one unit on each. If you win then reset.
If you lose, then you bet on the last five unique numbers but this time bet two units on each number. Apply the same stages as above but this time with two units on each number. If you win then reset to start, betting one unit per number again.
If you lose then apply the same as before, this time betting three units on each number. Apply the same rules as before.
If you lose then increase unit bet to 4 units and the same as above etc and continue this until a new profit is reached or BR is gone.
stop-loss isââ,¬Â¦ Stop after passing 170+ units profit. Three wins at this point will have doubled your BR. If it's a long session and you battle to get to 100 units up then stop there maybe. Most sessions are between 40 - 60 spins on avg.
Another angle I was looking at originally was frequency of repeats. I was looking at some stats that Bayes had posted previously regarding:-
link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/how-long-until-a-repeat/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/math-reference/how-long-until-a-repeat/)
...and was wondering if it would be better, instead of playing the immediately drawn numbers , to play the numbers drawn 5 spins earlier thru to 9 spins earlier say...? That way you would have more chance of hitting a repeat, which this system is based upon. I have provisionally tried this instead but did not see any difference in results though did not test a lot at all.
Any help in confirming any of the above works/ needs to be binned would be gratefully appreciated.
Thanks
Woods
Hi.
It might work at BV No Zero.
I will give it a trial later. Thanks. :thumbsup:
Hi Chris.
Thanks for that. Let me know what you think.
Woods
Quote from: woods101 on Feb 22, 03:17 AM 2011
Hi Chris.
Thanks for that. Let me know what you think.
Woods
Just played bout 25 minutes on BV Nzero and I think its quite good.
(will play longer and 'deeper' later tonight!)
Made 637 units in 25 minutes which I think is good for any system.
(was playing with 0.01 chips)
Took 114.84 upto 121.21..............= + Euro 6.37 (637 penny units)
(note 100 units were made from a Red/Black advantage play that came up!)
History page 1 and 5 below to show progress. (0.02 bets are to get the spins from the wheel)
First page shows the 5 starter spins, to fill the Marquee.
I did change the bet formate after a win.
Also I took advantage of a few other things I spotted!! ;D
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what would be a good stop loss i just went 15 spins without a win on bv nz was down by 500 units lucky fun money :)
Quotelast five unique numbers
Do they need to be together? eg, 1,23,32,27,4
Or could they be eg 1,23,4,32,27,4
Are you looking for only non repeats is what I am asking
QuoteIf you win then reset
Do you mean retrack for 5 uniques again?
Hi Superman,
I have tried both methods you ask about. Generally I have been favouring waiting for the next five numbers to come after a win (that do not include a repeat). i have found this better, though any maths head will say it makes no difference (past results etc blah blah).
" have tried both methods you ask about. Generally I have been favouring waiting for the next five numbers to come after a win (that do not include a repeat). I have found this better, though any maths head will say it makes no difference (past results etc blah blah).
....and they're probably right!
@ Chris
Hi Chris,
I'm curious what the changes were, and what other things you might have spotted...?
Thanks
W
@ Ausjase
G'day Jase,
You should survive 21 spins with no repeat before you lose your entire BR (well 504 units in total). You're betting 5,6, then 7 numbers, 1 unit each to start with (18 units), and then increasing by 1 unit the next round, so each round is an increase of 18 units (18,36,54,72,90,108,126 = 504). Hope this helps, and yes- test only with play money for now and see how it feels for you. I honestly don't know how this will stand up over time.
Thanks for your input so far tho man.
Woods
@ Ausjase and all
...also this will crash for sure, but you should win a lot more sessions than you lose which should still leave you in profit (in theory!). This is what happened to me in B&M- two crashes one after the other. I have not seen more than two simultaneously tho. In total I have tested for about 30 sessions (including real and play money) and if it was all real - I would still be in profit.
Also I was changing wheel after a win/loss. Some losing streaks could be 300/350 spins long I had found when testing in RX (where there are not a lot of repeats), so change wheel or wait a day or so before returning.
Quote:
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Hi Kattilla,
I have had similiar thoughts to the ones you describe above. They are covered in my post 'Put me out of my misery' in the notepad section. I'd love to know what you think, especially regarding targeting certain sections of past numbers based on the likelyhood of repeats.
Thanks
Woods **
Yes Woods, are similar thoughts. I understand you test/play max. 7 numbers
and rise units on the next levels. What can i say? good idea budy, now you have to
test..test...test with actuals.
I prefer to bet/test on more numbers(5 until 12 or....) to catch the repeater, but i didn t
test enough my ideas (from that topic about repeaters) because no time to test every
idea i have.
Hi Katilla,
I like your idea (5 to 12). Time it seems, is the most precious thing of all! Have you seen the repeat stats that Bayes posted above? I'm thinking along the lines of hitting the core numbers where the bulk of repeats take place - i.e. playing the previous numbers 6th - 10th. I have had good results just flat betting 6 numbers from the past 6th drawn thru to the past 12th drawn..
W
...tho I would say the original above method still seems pretty strong- about 30 sessions against real wheels- like yourself I just don't have the time to test further at the mo.
Of course i have seen the repeat stats from Bayes :)
**I'm thinking along the lines of hitting the core numbers where the bulk of repeats take place - i.e. playing the previous numbers 6th - 10th. I have had good results just flat betting 6 numbers from the past 6th drawn thru to the past 12th drawn..**
Agree the core is there 6th...10th. And you mean flat bet the last six not repeated,
bet six times but take the new number and drop the furthest,and
if lose wait new six not repeated in the last 6 and bet again 6 times ?
What about a progression at the next level(s) after trigger , like :
level 1 ....1,1,1,1,1,2 then level 2 ....2,2,2,3,3,3 then level 3.....4,4,4,5,5,5 etc..
something like this , if bank in plus reset to level 1, if not stay on same level 3 or 4
until win or hit stop lose.
"Agree the core is there 6th...10th. And you mean flat bet the last six not repeated,
bet six times but take the new number and drop the furthest.."
Absolutely. I have tried this as a constant, just flat betting but not tested much tho. I think a prog could work also. Great idea! Great minds think alike- I'm also favouring a five stage prog generally these days (1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,..etc)- i figure if it works flat betting then a prog should work also and a bit quicker...?
W
@ Wood101 .....and @ Kattila
No sign of Misery yet!!!!
Well it doesn't crash as such, but there is a cut off point of 7 numbers,
after which, U have to increase the stake on each number on the felt/table by more than 1 unit per bet/number.
I just did some testing, bout 4 hours worth, and with care and attention, it is winning me money. :)
This morning I added +1000 units (10 Euros), so that's quite good for penny play! :thumbsup:
He's the Profit/Loss table for this system play. (0.01 unit value- pennies!!)
[table=,]
Level,Amount bet on each number,Bet,Net Loss,Win Pay,Net Gain,+/- overall
1,0.01 on 5 numbers=,0.05,0.05,0.36,0.31,+0.31
2,0.02 on 6 numbers=,0.12,0.17,0.72,0.60,+0.55
3,0.03 on 7 numbers=,0.21,0.38,1.08,0.87,+0.70
4,0.04 on 8 numbers=,0.32,0.70,1.44,1.12,+0.74
5,0.05 on 9 numbers=,0.45,1.15,1.80,1.35,+0.65
6,0.06 on 10 numbers=,0.60,1.75,2.16,1.56,+0.41
7,0.07 on 11 numbers=,0.77,2.52,2.52,1.75,0 even
8,0.08 on 12 numbers=,0.96,3.48,2.88,1.92,-0.60 loss
[/table]
I really like this system Mr Wood. Nice Swann. ;D
I will test some more, maybe add a few tweaks of my own, and then look to raising the bet level to 0.10 unit per number, and see it go...................hopefully!! :-\ :-\
@ Chris.
Wow! Nice one! I'm guessing the drawdown is pretty hefty tho? Great news if you can prog thru the losing streaks. I originally looked at this as a hit and run. You do get occassional runs of bad luck (not many repeats) that can last a while though not always, hence the original 504 BR along with 170ish stop/loss. Glad you're tweaking it further. Looking forward to hearing about your tweaks further down the line. Keep us posted, but be warned, big drawdowns can come (in my experience) so watch out.
Thanks again man.
Woods
P.s. lovin' the 'Henry'- you can't beat 'em!
@ Katilla.
Sorry katilla I was slightly wrong with a previous post- regarding flat betting the six- I have not been waiting for a new lot of six numbers after a repeat in this situation. Just constantly betting the selected numbers and if a repeat happened within those six then I would just place another chip on the repeated number (2 chips) and cover just 5 numbers (or 4 etc) for that short period until they dropped out and were replaced again. Hope this makes sense.
Hi guys
Was wondering if anyone had any more joy with any of the above ideas? Would e nice to know how ya got along...
Thanks
Woods
Yes its a very good system Mt Woods.
Very good indeed. :)
More people should take a look at it.
esp if the play at bv.
I have passed it on to a few of my friends for.....................examination!
Several tweaks available on it-- I'll see about posting some of them up over the weekend.
Hi Chris,
Great news. Thanks for the feedback. I'd love to hear about your tweaks. Is BV live or RNG?
Look forward to hearing from you. PM if ya want.
All the best.
Woods
Hey guys,
Any joy with this - Ausy Jase, Superman, katilla...?
Hey Chrisbis- what's the coup? What prog have you come up with..?
To all the above and anyone else- no news isn't good news. If any of the ideas above didn't work for you then it's valuable to know this also, so please send any feedback back this way.
(your silence makes me nervous!)
Thanks
Woods
Don't be nervous Mr Woods.
No need.
We are working on a possible bot for Ur system.
Meanwhile, carefully review Ur progression steps, and set out alternative progression rates for the event AFTER the equalising point- which is 7 chips on 11 individual numbers.
As U know from Ur calcs, and the Progression table I posted up, the 7 chips on 11 numbers, only equates to getting the Core stake money back in one's BR, and not making any profit whatsoever.
I have had given me an idea- that maybe U could take the level upto 12 numbers max, and then reset.
Myself, I like to go all the way, and get that first-pay-back hit, but I have my own progression rates that might not suit everyone else.
So, I want U (the Originator) to think about it, and come up with something. PLS!!
Its a very good system.
And its win rate, is not just confined to winning at a Certain Forum Favourite Casino either, it wins at lots of places!!!
Cheers
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the update. Bot is pure flattery, though this seems to be more credit to you than to me. I notice my original post at the top of this topic has now gone blank, but I didn't entirely get your results until now and the penny just dropped! It seems like your method is more in line with what Katilla and I were chatting about than the original method I posted.
please correct me if I'm wrong but you're playing 5 numbers 1 unit, 6 numbers 2 units, 7 numbers 3 units and so on up until a cutoff point of 7 units and 12 numbers, is this correct?
And is this the method that you've been getting good results with? If so then wicked stuff! I like what you've done with the place- it looks great!
What happens if you bust pass the 7 unit stage- is it get up and go home/ put the kettle on and retire, or is there a further, more reckless next stage?
How much testing/how many sessions/numbers have you run so far?
What's your unit profit (if you don't mind me asking!) and if there is further progression (no stop/loss point) then what is your greatest drawdown?
Thanks again for your time on this one Chris.
Woods
I'll post more on this Tonight- UK time.
Just one correction for U.
It WOULD be 7 units/chips on 11 numbers not 12.
But that would be silly.
Results- quick one for U- Fairway Casino- on-line Live wheel.
since Monday.
Start balance ÂÃ,£7.25- current balance ÂÃ,£24. 65 (that's plus 340% in 3 days)
I just played- but lost- dealer change,
and I think the Repeater Wheel Gods went for coffee too!! (so I was at ÂÃ,£33.65)
I play ONE session.
Yes take the progression higher than 7 on 11.
I made my own.
I'd like U (for the sake of others watching/reading) to have a look at the whole progression list, and say where U would stop.
I have a stop-loss yes.
But, I tend to be adamant enough- to play for that one win per day, then turn off.
(but only if there are more than ONE repeats, already on the Marquee.
Otherwise, I don't play.
The Wheel Gods have to be with u, and as has been said so many times- there's always another day.
:thumbsup:
See ya later.
Geez I was gonna try this at brick and mortar casino and the explanation for the system disappeared ??
Tonights play at Fairway, Just few minutes ago.
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On-wards and upwards eh!!
@ Tomla.
Hi mate. Welcome aboard. There's basically a few ideas being tossed around here but there's what seems to be a couple of solid ideas.
Firstly..
My original one is like this:
step 1-Play last five unique numbers 1unit each.
step 2-Spin.
step 3-Play last six numbers (ie add last spin) 1 unit each.
step 4-Spin.
step 5-Play last 7 numbers 1 unit each.
step 6-Spin.
If no win then repeat step 1 but increase by one unit.
If win*AT ANY POINT* then * RESET IF IN PROFIT * --or---repeat step 1 and decrease by 1 unit if not in profit.
A BR of 504 units will cover you for 21 spins with no repeat of past seven numbers before you bust. You're playing for repeats basically.
This will crash but so far testing against live wheel (Smart live and DB(play) and B&M(real)) about 33 sessions (don't have exact details to hand - moving house!) I have had about 7 losses. win/loss ratio seems to be about 5-1 I have profit stop point as 170/200 units then walk away but if session starts to grind then take a much lower profit. 200 unit step off means - 3 wins and you've doubled your stake. Have lots of stakes (20ish?) This could work over time as a long slow haul. Change wheels after a win.
This is not enough sessions for a clear picture and it could balance out 50/50 for win/loss sessions in the long run. ( I could have been lucky). I haven't seen more than two losses in a row but it will happen. test first- see what you think.
The second idea is much more down to Chrisbis I feel (Nice one Chris :thumbsup:)!
Check Chris' reply no.15.
He is playing:
1 unit each first 5 nos.
2 units each first 6 nos.
3 units each first 7 nos. etc. Hope you get the idea.
I think he plays up to 11 nos- 7 units each no.
Stop loss is bust after 11 numbers not hitting and start a new sesh.
...or reset when in profit.
Again you're playing for repeats- check Bayes repeat stats as mentioned above that gave the original inspiration.
Good luck Tomla.
Woods
Thanks for the updated results Chrisbis :)
As you know - you're representing at the mo!
Thanks man.
Woods
thanks for the info , just got back from casino--i would have tried it-lol but theres always another day
No worries Tom.
W
any new info on this i tested shortly and it was in the plus?
Hi Tom,
Can't test at the mo as am moving house. Glad your up. Watch out for runs with not many repeats. Chrisbis was having good results with his variation. If your mixing it up then use a stop/ loss point- 7 units on seven numbers or 7 units on 11 numbers respectively depending on which system your playing.
If you have any tweeks to the above then do let us know.
All the best,
woods
Hey peeps.
Can anyone offer any further info regarding the above? Anyone testing playing either mine or Chrisbis' variation? Lots of watchers/readers but not much being said. No ones put me out of my misery yet. So what does this mean? Is any of this working for you?
Thanks
woods
woods 101 your main post the first one is missing :-\ please upload yours system again i want to give it a try.
thanks
Quote from: woods101 on Mar 10, 06:23 PM 2011
@ Tomla.
Hi mate. Welcome aboard. There's basically a few ideas being tossed around here but there's what seems to be a couple of solid ideas.
Firstly..
My original one is like this:
step 1-Play last five unique numbers 1unit each.
step 2-Spin.
step 3-Play last six numbers (ie add last spin) 1 unit each.
step 4-Spin.
step 5-Play last 7 numbers 1 unit each.
step 6-Spin.
If no win then repeat step 1 but increase by one unit.
If win*AT ANY POINT* then * RESET IF IN PROFIT * --or---repeat step 1 and decrease by 1 unit if not in profit.
A BR of 504 units will cover you for 21 spins with no repeat of past seven numbers before you bust. You're playing for repeats basically.
This will crash but so far testing against live wheel (Smart live and DB(play) and B&M(real)) about 33 sessions (don't have exact details to hand - moving house!) I have had about 7 losses. win/loss ratio seems to be about 5-1 I have profit stop point as 170/200 units then walk away but if session starts to grind then take a much lower profit. 200 unit step off means - 3 wins and you've doubled your stake. Have lots of stakes (20ish?) This could work over time as a long slow haul. Change wheels after a win.
This is not enough sessions for a clear picture and it could balance out 50/50 for win/loss sessions in the long run. ( I could have been lucky). I haven't seen more than two losses in a row but it will happen. test first- see what you think.
This is Woods method
Quote from: woods101 on Mar 10, 06:28 PM 2011
The second idea is much more down to Chrisbis I feel (Nice one Chris :thumbsup:)!
Check Chris' reply no.15.
He is playing:
1 unit each first 5 nos.
2 units each first 6 nos.
3 units each first 7 nos. etc. Hope you get the idea.
I think he plays up to 11 nos- 7 units each no.
stop-loss is bust after 11 numbers not hitting and start a new sesh.
...or reset when in profit.
Again you're playing for repeats- check Bayes repeat stats as mentioned above that gave the original inspiration.
Good luck Tomla.
Woods
This is my method (see reply 10) and Chrisbis progression :
Quote from: chrisbis on Feb 23, 05:43 AM 2011
@ Wood101 .....and @ Kattila
No sign of Misery yet!!!!
Well it doesn't crash as such, but there is a cut off point of 7 numbers,
after which, you have to increase the stake on each number on the felt/table by more than 1 unit per bet/number.
I just did some testing, bout 4 hours worth, and with care and attention, it is winning me money. :)
This morning I added +1000 units (10 Euros), so that's quite good for penny play! :thumbsup:
He's the Profit/Loss table for this system play. (0.01 unit value- pennies!!)
[table=,]
Level,Amount bet on each number,Bet,Net Loss,Win Pay,Net Gain,+/- overall
1,0.01 on 5 numbers=,0.05,0.05,0.36,0.31,+0.31
2,0.02 on 6 numbers=,0.12,0.17,0.72,0.60,+0.55
3,0.03 on 7 numbers=,0.21,0.38,1.08,0.87,+0.70
4,0.04 on 8 numbers=,0.32,0.70,1.44,1.12,+0.74
5,0.05 on 9 numbers=,0.45,1.15,1.80,1.35,+0.65
6,0.06 on 10 numbers=,0.60,1.75,2.16,1.56,+0.41
7,0.07 on 11 numbers=,0.77,2.52,2.52,1.75,0 even
8,0.08 on 12 numbers=,0.96,3.48,2.88,1.92,-0.60 loss
[/table]
I really like this system Mr Wood. Nice Swann. ;D
I will test some more, maybe add a few tweaks of my own, and then look to raising the bet level to 0.10 unit per number, and see it go...................hopefully!! :-\ :-\