This is more my point. We'll say we have player 'A' and player 'B'.
Both players are flat bettors.
Both start playing at the same time, same table.
Both will be using the SAME method.
Both have a win goal of $600.
We have all read hundreds of times, the LONGER you stay playing, the HA catches up to you and you're DOOMED! Ok, I guess so.
One player has a BR of $500, using $15 units. The other player has a BR of $5,600, using $200 units.
ONE player only needs plus THREE units, then go home. The other player needs plus FORTY units before he can go home.
He is kind of screwed because he needs to PLAY LONGER.
Ken
But in worst conditions, the person having smaller BR and chips size will lose lesser also. What I firmly believe is that one should use big chips in hit and run cases only.
"What I firmly believe is that one should use big chips in hit and run cases only" >>> I agree if part of your definition is +3 units.
Ken
What I mean by hit and run is to try a bet or a few to either get ur target win or if break even try again and if lose, accept losses and leave. I am compiling a few hit and run strategies in my exclusive zone.
player with 200 buck units is a very risky guy with lots of guts. what if he encounters losing 3 units 4-5 times in a row (i am talking about different time sessions). one day he comes and loses 3 units, then another day, then another day. it happens, right? of course it is easier to win 3 units but also easier to lose.
player B on the other hand may slowly win 10 units...then take a break...then another 10 units.
if he loses them he won't crap his pants.
one player can bet 33 times and one player can bet 28 times!
You bet less you win less and lose less
you bet big you win big and lose big
it is not a question of the unit-size, it is a question if you could stand a losing streak
and there is a kind of a break-even-calculation
quote of return 1 for EC or 35 for straightup
the question should be: if both players (EC and Straight) start betting, who will need how many wins to end up best?
If both have 35 units and bet 35 times
straight up will end either +-0 or in a win odds for win 24/37
EC will need 18 wins to end up +1 odds 18/37
br
winkel
some valid points in this thread.
But a question to consider...
would you risk 1000 units to win 100 units?
or
risk 100 units to win 1000?
a higher BR may aid your chances of winning more but at the end of the day its the quality of your play that determines your eventual out come...
Quote from: frost on Mar 04, 04:32 AM 2011
But a question to consider...
would you risk 1000 units to win 100 units?or
risk 100 units to win 1000?
this is possible
this is beginnerÃ,´s dream
but considering we all play with a stop loss of X amount if we play the same system with the two different BR, a stop loss of 30% on 100 unit BR would always work out less then a stop/loss of the same amount on the 1000 unit BR.
of course the flip side of the argument is that with the 1000 unit BR it may take less wins to reach your target profit. granted. however this is only the case if flat betting. if playing a progression a larger BR only mean it'll take you longer to reach your stop/loss.
agreed?
in that case a begginers dream would be the wiser choice...
If IÃ,´m at he table with 100 units and stop at 70 units, why do I need to have 100 units?
You only can calculate like this:
If I use my system, then I need xxxx units til it busts.
I will try the game 3 times so I need 3 times xxxx
or
I need a first payback (not win) in the first yy spins. No wins - stop betting
Not quite sure if i Understand your post but....
Quote from: winkel on Mar 04, 04:53 AM 2011
If I use my system, then I need xxxx units til it busts.
I will try the game 3 times so I need 3 times xxxx
if you fail with both BR you've loss less with the 'beginners dream'
if you need to win 3 times xxx i assume your going to use a progression. with the win target bet x amount of your starting balance, you are going to be betting bigger units right? if this is the case then your likely to have less available bets before you hit the table limit.
so lets assume that your win target is not x percentage of your starting balance and just a figure, x dollars.
why the need to risk such amount?
i suppose if you have the money then it really doesn't matter but to me when i am developing a system i try to to keep my BR as low as possible.
Good replies, thats awesome!
Ken
in the end if your systems good enough you should be aiming to bet bigger...thats the whole point of a system...take the matrix vertical and all the wins against loss ratio...that 1 unit could be worth 10 instead of one..even with a hit ratio of 50 win to 1 loss you would still be up a fair amount...its not the size of your balls its your bank balance...a system is a system regardless of the amount the unit is.if you,ve enough bankrolls to cover 5 losses then go for it its no good wishing to win big without betting big? :-\ you still got the same chance and risk just betting the minimum ....if a systems good then use it to your full advantage
Hi frost & 6th-sense,
you got me wrong.
Everyone who studied roulette knows that there is no system just strategies
e.g.: If a "dozen" can sleep for 40 times so I have to calculate a 40-step-bet and I have to risc min 40 units to cover 1 hit at minimum.
It is no use to stop after 10 losses and start over another 10 tries again and again. It is simply the same as to go through to this point.
To stop and wait for a virtuell hit wouldnÃ,´t help either! e.g. 10 losses 1 hit 10 losses 1 hit etc.
for this:
bettor 1 has lost 20 units (10 losses 1 hit 10 losses 1 hit)
bettor 2 has lost 18 units!!!!
imagine now the second try:
9 wins in a row
bettor 1 still 2 units back
bettor 2 is equal
bettor 1 needs three hits to win +1
bettor 2 needs 1 hit to be in Plus
this example is for flat-bet. Every experienced knows for progressions this is the same.
another point: If you donÃ,´t reach +1 in an attack, you wonÃ,´t reach 100 either, do you?
but If you reach +1 you can reach possibly +100 as well during your betting-spins!
think about it.
br
winkel
Let me ask the question this way. We have player 'A' and player 'B'.
Both players are interested in playing the last outcome of red/black or odd/even.
Lets say it looks like this >> RLRLLLRLRRLRL etc. (L is black) Player 'A' (the idiot) is a hardnose and sticks to the last color regardless of anything.
Player 'B' starts to see its getting CHOPPY and switches to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.
Are you gonna tell me BOTH players, using two different styles are going to have roughly the same results at the end of the day or the end of the month?
Ken
Mr. J,
short answer: If they donÃ,´t stop in any Plus, they will end up at the same in the long run.
But all my arguments donÃ,´t fit EC.
You have to choose a chance that has a special drive. It has to pay "more" in a win than you bet. Only under this conditions a shorter winning streak can equalize a longer losing streak!
And only with a higher payout it makes sense to switch to a "winning" bet.
With EC you just switch from losing to losing or winning to winning and the chance always keeps you at 1:1.
e.g. you see a doz sleep so you can jump on a winning streak of the other two and with a winning progression or paroli you can rewin your losses.
br
winkel
as i said before its the sysyem or strategy, u would not bet a 40 stage progression on a doz for a good system or strategy the matrix vertical has good results and only limited progression and losses by acounts so with these strategies in mind you bet bigger units ???
Sorry,
I havenÃ,´t read the matrix-system.
br
winkel
its pretty interesting you want to spend a bit of time reading through it...i do understand though what you are getting at but i think its just the perspective of who ever reads and reply,s to your post...in the end its all about a good strategy and what you are prepared to lose and win within the table limits that you can access