It seems to me that the way to win at roulette in the long run is not by playing a mechanical bet method.
Based on the books I have read about winning at roulette and the people who profess to win long term, the way they win is to be armed with an arsenal of methods and knowledge and experience and to attack the wheel based on what it's doing at the time.
I have an acquaintance (I could say friend, but we barely know each other) that I meet at the roulette machine and have for a couple of years now. We play on the airball machines and sometimes I go out before work in the morning and he'll be there playing 3 or 4 of the stations.
Whenever he wins, which is almost every time I see him, he always drops the coupons showing his winnings down beside my screen so I can congratulate him.
He has been reluctant to talk much about his method of play, but the other day the machines malfunctioned and we couldn't get our money out until management came over. While we were waiting, I pressured him to tell me how he plays.
He said that he has about 6 different events he watches for. Most involve betting against the wheel. Looking for things like 8 Even Chances in a row and then he bets a 3 step martingale for a change. 6 dozens in a row and another martingale, 6-steps, etc...
As Flatino knows these airball machines tend to repeat recent spins and our machines here in Tucson appear to be no different and so he looks for recurring events. He was showing me how the 1 & 2 columns were hitting way more than they should be statistically. So he would wait until the 3 column hit 2 or 3 times close together and then he would bet on the 1 & 2 column. While we were waiting for someone to come an service the machine it was spinning and the the 1 & 2 column hit 9 times in a row. Then the 3 column hit 2 times and the 1 & 2 column another 8 times.
Naturally, he was pissed off because he said that cost him about $100 because he couldn't play his system.
These various methods are in addition to playing a system that is very similar to the STAR system. He uses some triggers, but bets the STAR bet method which is a let-it-ride for the 1st 3 of 4 bets and then bet twice at the same level. I'm familiar with the Star system which is as good a system as most.
Anyway, he admits that it goes in cycles. Sometimes he wins almost every time he plays and sometimes he has periods when he stays about even. He rarely has periods where he loses too much.
He said that once or twice per year he has a bad losing stretch that causes him to back off his bet sizes until the tide turns.
I suppose there's nothing unique with his playing style. It's based on experience and gambler's fallacy which seems to work at least most of the time. He swears it works for him.
Of course this is all anecdotal evidence, but it's coming from a lot of different sources, so I'm thinking this type of playing style is what we should be focusing on.
What do you think? Or is this old news to most of you?
George
QuoteWhat do you think?
Agreed.
Wheel-based or layout-based the viable methodology is just like that.
Use only short-term play. Focus in what is "in front of you".
Have several triggers/ways in your arsenal.
Compound wins inter-session to increase base unit size progressively (win more)
Regress bets on prolonged bad runs. (lose less)
Work with the averages (in the case of your example, a yearly average)
This is a good toopic, worthy of being featured in our forum's news.
Thanks for posting it dear GLC.
Vic
This is basically how I play too. I look for workable conditions to attack the game. And yes, it all comes from experience.
George mate,
All you have said here is fact which am aware of
and exactly how I play,follow repeats of many kinds,
wheel and the carpet not forcing any progressive approach
and you can hardly lose.
Watch for a shrewd dealer at the live tables, he/she can kill any system.
I play only AIRBALL,american wheel.With tips i pick up from Flat-Ifo..i now play a flat bet strategy only advance from profit with casino money.I must say airball tend to repeat a lot yes.Like promised winning bet,i play not sector on table but quad,5 quad..yes 20 numbers is a lot,but some play 2 dozens :)..but i also incorporate hot numbers in my game.Yesterday with luck i manage to pull out 900 units with 125 units,so 775 units profit..Like i say..maybe luck.But now im starting to see the experience part.
seykid.
Really glad to hear you are winning now,
after my advice.Good on ya and good luck. :thumbsup:
Heres what I've been working on. I have 4 systems that I think give me a really good chance to win about 7-8 times I play them. I have been taking about 120 spins which is about all the time I have for playing at the casino. That's 2 hours. My airball machine spins every 60 seconds exactly.
I have been studying by playing all four systems on the same 120 spins, after the fact. At least 60 to 70% of the time, they all four win. Every now and then 1 or 2 of them does really bad. At the same time 1 of the other ones does really good. My goal is to be able to move from the one that's doing really bad to the one that's doing really good while the irons still hot, so to speak.
At the same time, I am keeping an eye on the Even chances, dozens and lines. I'm looking for a streak to develop and at a predetermined point, I start betting a predetermined number of bets that the streak will come to an end. I don't chase these to bankruptcy, just a few tries and then wait for the next opportunity. Since this is an air-ball machine I am definitely looking for ways to play for repeats of recent dozens, lines, streets etc...
By taking 120 spins and really studying them and playing different ways with them, it is giving me a lot more confidence in getting a feel of how to play or not play each time I go to the casino.
Not all the 120 spins are from my air-ball machine, but I definitely keep track of each 120 spin session from my air-ball machine so I can study those the most.
It's a lot like studying for an exam at school, but one of the things I learned in my invertebrate zoology class was that the more you look at anything, the more you understand it. You are eventually seeing things you can't believe you couldn't see in the beginning.
I can tell everyone on this forum without a moments hesitation that if you will do what I'm doing, it will pay a lot more dividends than anything else you can do.
It is fun to get a new idea and start working on it, tweaking it, testing it, etc... and I'm not saying don't do that because you're learning a lot about roulette there also, but that's like high school or Jr. college. I feel like I'm in graduate school with my new found method of learning roulette.
I would like to thank a lot of you for your help and encouragement over these many months but I don't want to leave anyone out and hurt their feelings so I'll just say that I have learned something from all of you. And, I really mean it.
I hope this turns a light bulb on in at least one person's head, and good luck to everyone.
LOL to all,
George (mate, buddy, cobber, pal, friend, ally and companion at large)
He may not be bluntly lying? I understand betting cold just sometimes, but consistently.It is hard to believe it. Or maybe he is just being lucky. Also possible. Some say luck can be life time event. Anyway it is hard to believe this method may really work consistently.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 19, 11:12 PM 2011
He may not be bluntly lying? I understand betting cold just sometimes, but consistently.It is hard to believe it. Or maybe he is just being lucky. Also possible. Some say luck can be life time event. Anyway it is hard to believe this method may really work consistently.
Iggiv,
Your post doesn't seem to fit with what has gone on before. It's almost as if you posted a response to a differnt topic on this topic.
If this isn't a mistake, will you please elaborate more. We all value your perspective.
Thanks,
Geo
Quote from: GLC on Mar 17, 10:49 AM 2011
It seems to me that the way to win at roulette in the long run is not by playing a mechanical bet method.
Based on the books I have read about winning at roulette and the people who profess to win long term, the way they win is to be armed with an arsenal of methods and knowledge and experience and to attack the wheel based on what it's doing at the time.
I have an acquaintance (I could say friend, but we barely know each other) that I meet at the roulette machine and have for a couple of years now. We play on the airball machines and sometimes I go out before work in the morning and he'll be there playing 3 or 4 of the stations.
Whenever he wins, which is almost every time I see him, he always drops the coupons showing his winnings down beside my screen so I can congratulate him.
He has been reluctant to talk much about his method of play, but the other day the machines malfunctioned and we couldn't get our money out until management came over. While we were waiting, I pressured him to tell me how he plays.
He said that he has about 6 different events he watches for. Most involve betting against the wheel. Looking for things like 8 Even Chances in a row and then he bets a 3 step martingale for a change. 6 dozens in a row and another martingale, 6-steps, etc...
As F_LAT_INO knows these airball machines tend to repeat recent spins and our machines here in Tucson appear to be no different and so he looks for recurring events. He was showing me how the 1 & 2 columns were hitting way more than they should be statistically. So he would wait until the 3 column hit 2 or 3 times close together and then he would bet on the 1 & 2 column. While we were waiting for someone to come an service the machine it was spinning and the the 1 & 2 column hit 9 times in a row. Then the 3 column hit 2 times and the 1 & 2 column another 8 times.
Naturally, he was pissed off because he said that cost him about $100 because he couldn't play his system.
These various methods are in addition to playing a system that is very similar to the STAR system. He uses some triggers, but bets the STAR bet method which is a let-it-ride for the 1st 3 of 4 bets and then bet twice at the same level. I'm familiar with the Star system which is as good a system as most.
Anyway, he admits that it goes in cycles. Sometimes he wins almost every time he plays and sometimes he has periods when he stays about even. He rarely has periods where he loses too much.
He said that once or twice per year he has a bad losing stretch that causes him to back off his bet sizes until the tide turns.
I suppose there's nothing unique with his playing style. It's based on experience and gambler's fallacy which seems to work at least most of the time. He swears it works for him.
Of course this is all anecdotal evidence, but it's coming from a lot of different sources, so I'm thinking this type of playing style is what we should be focusing on.
What do you think? Or is this old news to most of you?
George
this was was a response to this posting. what's wrong with my questions? The guy -- he could not lie to you about betting on cold all the time? As i understand he wins consistently and explains this success as betting on cold ONLY. I understand that betting SOMETIMES on cold EC or dozens may work as hit and run, but all the time? maybe it is just a small part of his strategies...or he just tries to mislead u?
You said it yourself that he was not very willing to unveil his strategies, so it is possible that he hasn't after all. What he told u could be just not true, or just a small part of truth.
There are many ways to earn more and lose less. Some suggest use of progression, some strictly flat betting, guys like me have a term "sensible progression" or "mild progression" when required. Experience teaches us that any method can hit or miss in any session and no bet selection can change the random nature of wheel and ball or RNG. Random means "unpredictible" and whoever authoring or using a system/method should never forget this unpleasant but universal truth.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 20, 01:36 AM 2011
Experience teaches us that any method can hit or miss in any session and no bet selection can change the random nature of wheel and ball or RNG. Random means "unpredictible" and whoever authoring or using a system/method should never forget this unpleasant but universal truth.
These should be good news. It means we dont have to gamble at all. No bet selection is better than other because random means "unpredictable" but, and this is the big but, randomness can't evict repetitions of events. So why dont we stick to what is showing? To go with the game flow is a smart decision, while waiting for sleeping events to happen is the wrong one.
When present conditions change then we stop betting on them till happier times arrives.
Once upon a time there was a man whose favourite passtime consisted of shooting birds.
From time to time he used to go to the countryside chasing partdriges. On one of these ocassions there were none to be seen for miles around but he didnt lost his spirits despite hundred of ducks were shitting all over him.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Dear carpanta, it is easier to be said than done. In case of absolute unpredictibility, nothing is there which you can follow. I remember another incident of my last casino trip where I thought if I everytime bet on 11 numbers(consecutive on the wheel), keeping the last winner in the middle and 5 numbers from both right and left to it in the wheel, I will surely win. I tried it once for 20 times and the ball kept moving to other places every time. Another incident was taking 9 consecutive numbers on a wheel, which did not turn up even after 55 attempts. What else do u suggest? Randomness ensures that every method will fail sooner or later. If u create any betting method which has an edge and earns more and losses less, it is more than sufficient.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 20, 04:23 AM 2011
I remember another incident of my last casino trip where I thought if I everytime bet on 11 numbers(consecutive on the wheel), keeping the last winner in the middle and 5 numbers from both right and left to it in the wheel, I will surely win. I tried it once for 20 times and the ball kept moving to other places every time. Another incident was taking 9 consecutive numbers on a wheel, which did not turn up even after 55 attempts.
That was your problem: "you thought". No thinking is required. After your initial bet selection chasing a repeat of that event went wrong, fine what's the problem? it dint continue. At the least another strike to see what happens. If no hit in this second bet what is the purpose to lose 18 more times in a row? Didn't you see the chop of that event? During 18 times 26 numbers were "shitting" over you so no argument.
If you detect 9 numbers not hitting during 55 spins that's a gold mine mate. See the positive side LoL. That's an edge or am I mistaken?
Cheers,
Carlos.
Hehe...
It is very easy to analyse a given session that this method would have worked there. Stop this post mortem and you suggest a panacea yourself because you seem to have solution of every problem associated with roulette. Why don't you provide a method which can work with every session? Please go ahead and enlighten all.
A winning strategy is already provided by me. Problem is people don't feel like working hard and tend to oversee complex things and posts. An easier way is nicer but most of the times it is also worthless.
In few words I given you very good pieces of advice. You take them or not. It is up to you.
Forget you are a lawyer for a moment and don't stick on words only. Try to see further ahead.
Be lucky.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 20, 12:29 AM 2011
this was was a response to this posting. what's wrong with my questions? The guy -- he could not lie to you about betting on cold all the time? As I understand he wins consistently and explains this success as betting on cold ONLY. I understand that betting SOMETIMES on cold EC or dozens may work as hit and run, but all the time? maybe it is just a small part of his strategies...or he just tries to mislead u?
You said it yourself that he was not very willing to unveil his strategies, so it is possible that he hasn't after all. What he told you could be just not true, or just a small part of truth.
Dear Iggiv,
Now I understand. Yes, I agree with you that we must take everything he says with a grain of salt. Also, just because he let's me see that he's cashing out 150-200 dollars doesn't mean that he didn't put in $250 dollars and is really -$50.
He is Hispanic and says the method he uses is an old method developed in Mexico. He acts like it's a sure win and he's under some kind of honor code not to reveal the method.
I do know that some of what he said is true, because I can see the sleepers forming and know that he is betting against the wheel. I don't know when he jumps in or gives up if it keeps going.
It's still food for thought.
Albalaha, Carpanta, Thanks for your thoughts on this subject. I must admit that I am too focused on just trying to manipulate bets and bet selections in a rote fashion and it always ends up poorly.
I have been doing better by jumping to another system when the one I'm playing starts losing, but as we all know, sometimes the new system turns bad just when you jump.
My favorite so far is MrJ's even chance method where he plays for trends and jumps from 1 e.c. to another depending on which is doing better. It's like there's no one to blame but yourself if you don't win. I'm starting to like the challenge of making decisions on an ongoing basis rather than just working a set method. And, staying with basically a flat bet eliminates a lot of unnecessary bet tracking.
I keep trying to automate MrJ's idea, but so far I haven't found the exact formula, which is my old habits kicking in. I have gotten it down to about a break even method. The problem always is that we never know if we're testing or playing in a favorable spins series that will change soon. These favorable spin series can go for 100's and even 1000's of spins. That always gives me pause.
George
GLC, maybe if u will keep friendly and close with him finally he will reveal some more of his secrets to you, who knows. I don't think that he told u everything. So i would be very careful before trying those tactics with real money.
u see betting on cold is used by some professional as well, as much as i know. But that's only a small part in their arsenal, and it is always hit-n-run.
about betting against the wheel, this guy whose book u told us about, Brett Morton, he also mentioned he also bets against the wheel recently. There must be something except just bluntly betting against cold. I guess some people may not tell everything they use.
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 20, 12:21 PM 2011
GLC, maybe if you will keep friendly and close with him finally he will reveal some more of his secrets to you, who knows. I don't think that he told you everything. So I would be very careful before trying those tactics with real money.
u see betting on cold is used by some professional as well, as much as I know. But that's only a small part in their arsenal, and it is always hit-n-run.
about betting against the wheel, this guy whose book you told us about, Brett Morton, he also mentioned he also bets against the wheel recently. There must be something except just bluntly betting against cold. I guess some people may not tell everything they use.
Here's the latest. My airball friend gave me some more info. He said that he wins mostly by betting on the repetitive nature of the wheel. He noticed that the ball falls onto the turning wheel at an exact spot of the non-moving part of the machine. He tracks about 10 or so spins to see the number of positions from where the ball landed last. He gets a 8-12 number sector and begins betting for that sector depending on which number hit last.
Because the ball shoots out at exactly every 60 seconds and the wheel spins at a constant rate, it is possible to calculate within a third of the wheel where the ball should land.
He said that he's been hitting at a much higher rate than the odds should be.
I'm going to try it. I have observed all the phenomenon he mentioned and I think he's on to something. If too many people start doing it, the casino could take counter measures. That's why he didn't want to reveal it to anyone.
I'll let you know how it goes.
George
Yes, that could be a real thing. ÃÂÃ,¢hanx for update.
I got so excited thinking about the airball machine and being able to create a dealer's pattern that I left work early and went back to see if I could do it.
Here's what I know. The wheel part spins at a constant rate. I timed it. 15 revolutions per minute. I don't know yet if they vary that from day to day. The ball is shot out every 60 seconds. This never varies from day to day. The ball is only shot in a counter clockwise direction. The ball always falls at almost the exact spot. In other words, the ball is shot out with the exact same force each time. This varies from day to day so they must change the air pressure each day. Maybe less often and maybe more often.
I tracked for 15 spins and got an average of 10 positions counter clockwise. I would locate the number that was 10 positions counter clockwise from where the ball just landed. I bet 11 numbers, that is 5 numbers on either side of the target number.
I played 60 spins. 1 hour's worth. I hit 26 times out of 60 bets. 60 bets @ 11 units per bet = 660 units total bet. 26 wins @ 36 units = 936 units won less 660 units bet = + 276 units for 1 hour.
One of the things I realized while tracking in the beginning is that every now and then, the ball takes a weird bounce and can land anywhere on the wheel. The next 11 numbers have to be determined from where the ball should have landed and not from where it actually landed.
In thinking back on the session, I might be able to improve my hit rate if I skip the spin right after a weird bounce and let the machine get back in synchronization to where it should be.
Most of the time the ball falls pretty clean. Sometimes it falls not exactly what I would call weird, but not clean either. I don't know how much that effects this whole equation.
I think that I can increase my odds of winning if I increase my sector size to maybe half the wheel. Or even to 2/3's of the wheel.
Do any of you other guys who have access to airball machines notice any of the things I'm talking about. If you do, why not give it a try and see if you can determine a footprint for your machine. I would be interested in your input.
I'll keep you posted. It'll be a few days before I can get back to the casino, but when I do, I'll post my results.
I know this is for interests sake only for most of you since you can't play on this airball machine. Sorry, but if it works on this one, it should work on others also. Airball machines should be available to a lot of you. This could be the solution for us poor Yanks who can't play on the internet.
It's nice not even having to think about the fact that I'm playing on a 0/00 machine.
Cheers,
George
I play airball also,american.But their are times the wheel speed varies.I can notice it slowing down quite fast..guess that is casino counter measure or really the wheel averaging the numbers.But it is not that new airball but i guess software counts.But there are times the wheel is constant for some time.I use count plus dominant diamond factor i get good hits.But i found it more advantageous to bet vis-s-vis.As american wheel with 6 splits possible to cover region opposite each other.But your way of play is very interesting.
Yesterday i receive my book FULL TIME GAMBLER by Holloway.Sure been a delightfull read.Even if he doesnt talk that much of roulette,what he has given to work with in general suffice.He even made a claim on European wheel,that if it was avaible in Ameerica(that time) he would have beat it :) One thing i like ,as we are in EXPERIENCE thread,he talk of Cycles and patterns which i think is what most games is about.He talk about how at times you try to bring probability into a game only to lose.E.g ,i think this is for a game of Dice
"One night i was playing back line in a good run.It had gone seven or eight,and winnings were getting bigger.A fellow next to me was doing the same thing.Suddenly he said ' The don't cant win much more' And he switched his bets to the pass line.So help me,he went broke in the next six rolls,while the back line kept on winning and i made an even bigger pile.That is the lesson number one you learn from research of cycles and patterns,'Dont buck a run.If you dont like it,LAY OFF,but dont figure on its turning until it does "
Great advice there,last day also a guy playing next to me did the same thing,a region was hitting hot,he stay for a couple of spins then change saying it must change side now,but didnt.As i was piling up he was losing.That is the day i turn 125 units into 900 units.
Dear George and Sekykid,
I have played automated airball roulette (european) so far, they toss ball always from a single hole in the rim of the wheel and always in a single direction. Wheel does move everytime in one direction (clockwise) and ball too (anticlockwise). So far I have noticed, the force with which the ball is thrown does remain constant too but I do not think we can have any conclusion out of that. They use the ball which is so light and it turns from one place to another by hitting deflectors(diamonds). They must have checked the randomness of the wheel prior to installing it.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 22, 09:16 AM 2011
Dear George and Sekykid,
I have played automated airball roulette (european) so far, they toss ball always from a single hole in the rim of the wheel and always in a single direction. Wheel does move everytime in one direction (clockwise) and ball too (anticlockwise). So far I have noticed, the force with which the ball is thrown does remain constant too but I do not think we can have any conclusion out of that. They use the ball which is so light and it turns from one place to another by hitting deflectors(diamonds). They must have checked the randomness of the wheel prior to installing it.
Al,
I think you are probably right. I've been thinking about how much the ball tends to bounce around. I'm sure that is what they depend on for randomness. My friend seems to indicate that it does work, this playing for a pattern. I will keep testing. If it doesn't work, no harm done. I still have about 95% chance of guessing right.
I know my first test could very easily been luck on my part since I only won a few spins more than average which can happen at any time.
George
Here in this part of the world,central Europe---Croatia,B&H,Monte Negro,Srbia,Macedonia/
even thought in CENTRAL EUROPE,but still not a members of EU--LOL/
ALFASTREET airball machine is everywhere.
It has 4 air speeds....from 18 to 23 revolutions.....sometimes 3,4 same in the row,sometimes
in choppy fashion....but it does constantly 50/50 repeats wheel sectors,and some other repeats which I follow.Among others it have 3 buttons extra bets---serie 0/2/3---5/8---Orfanelli---and
ppl.mostly bet on these and mostly losing.For instance this morning a guy was constantly playing 17 numbers from 22 to 25 and it hit only twice in abuot half hour play/about 30 spins/
before he walk out broke.On this machine I play you just cant lose following last 3 vertical lines
DS playing 18 numbers on 9 splits EC bet.
Vertical lines DS;
1......1-16---3 splits
2......2-17---3 splits
3......3-18---3 splits
4....19-34---3 splits
5....20-35---3 splits
6... 21-36---3 splits.
This is a winning formula on my airball machine.......maybe it is on yours also.Who knows try it.
Yes Flat,
I am also talking about alfastreet roulette tables. I found that at most of the casinos I played. Highly unpredictible, I must say.
The machine I play on is called Megastar. I'll test thoroughly before dumping a bunch of money into it.
George,
Was that this one table?
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Very similar Al, but not quite the same. The one I play has been in the casino for about 3 years. Maybe it's an older model than your picture.
guys, what's the minimum stake on such machines? and how do u play them? buying chips, entering into a slot?
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 22, 04:22 PM 2011
Guys, what's the minimum stake on such machines? and how do you play them? buying chips, entering into a slot?
You just put the paper money,as much as you wish,which shows on your window and start to play.Mostly the girls working there pays you out whenever you wish to stop play.After each spin the window in front of you shows your score.
smaller stakes than human dealer? thanx
Quote from: iggiv on Mar 22, 04:22 PM 2011
Guys, what's the minimum stake on such machines? and how do you play them? buying chips, entering into a slot?
The machine I play has a range from $0.25 to $25 on any bet. You can have a maximum of $25 on the table for any spin. The machine has a slot to receive either a casino coupon with a dollar amount on it or it will take dollar bills of any denomination. You play at a console with a computer screen activated by touch. You can set your bet amount to 1 - 2 - 4 - 10 - 20 - 40 - 80 - 100 quarters. After a call for no more bets, the ball takes about 20 seconds for the wheel to come to a stop. The ball is shot out every 60 seconds. You only have about 30-35 seconds to make your bets. There's a female voice that announces the spin result and all other commands. There are 6 stations at the table. The marquee shows the last 7 spins only.
Everything is automated. You never see anyone from the casino unless there's a problem. I do notice that when my friend from Mexico leaves they sometimes come by and chech his screen to see how much he cashed out. the screen displays how much you deposited and how much you cashed out. To counter this, my friend keeps $20 bills in his pocket and every now and then, he'll cash out and put in another $20 bill so they can't see how much he's winning or losing.
They have units of different sizes, which can be customized locally. Like, they can have a unit size of $1. You have two ways to put money in it. 1. u enter the local currency notes yourself and it shows in ur touchscreen panel as balance; 2. U ask the casino assistant and handover him currency notes or cash chips, and he enters the amount in ur station by using his administrative controls. Now ur balance shows like in online casino in terms of money/and units and it goes up and down with ur profits and losses. Finally, at the time of withdrawal you again call upon the assistant and he gets u ur balance from cashier.
I play at a faily small casino and they don't appreciate people taking large sums of money or even any sums of money on a regular basis. But, I think that $25 maximum bet is pretty insignificant.
thanx guys. i guess it is similar to online casino interface with buttons "repeat you last bet" and so on?
Everything,
racetrack bets, repeat, double, sectors, neighbours and all those ways of playing which is even hard to find in online casinos.