Dear Sir, Madam...
Hi, my name is Thomas R. Grant
I am a active forum member.
And I have a request.
If you have a account with BetVoyager.
Please send them an email and complain to them about their new policy for
mutually exclusive bets
link:://rouletteforum.cc/tom%27s-place/betvoyager-casino-a-review-by-thomas-r-grant/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/tom%27s-place/betvoyager-casino-a-review-by-thomas-r-grant/)
Members and guest that have a BetVoyager may notice this message when placing a bet on Red and Black to get a free spin.
Please send as many complaints as possible to BetVoyager.
And keep on sending them.
They may end up reverting back to what they had before.
Thomas.
I too have tried to be proactive in this matter, and have some news for U, and the Forum.
After forwarding a letter to BV support,
I have been contacted by BV with regard to setting up a Partnership with the.
Here's their reps email to me.
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And this was my open invitation, to BV, asking if (like other Casino's have done before),
they would like an membership here at The Forum, and be able to answer question, bring promotions, and generally chat about the game of Roulette.
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Hopefully, I will have a good initial discussion with them, and invite this Representative, to come along here, apply form a membership, and join Us.
Cheers Tom.
Thanks Chris.
Sure hope they come here.
Keep me and the others informed.
Awesome Chris!... Bravo!
Now, nothing but I would ask the moderators to delete all posts where it's mentioned about bots and especially running on BV!
If the NEW BV member read them, they could change their platform as all that we wouldn't know it any more!
...maybe the minimum will be raised from 0,01 to 1.00
Quote from: LeoLeo11 on Mar 18, 04:02 PM 2011
Awesome Chris!... Bravo!
Now, nothing but I would ask the moderators to delete all posts where it's mentioned about bots and especially running on BV!
If the NEW BV member read them, they could change their platform as all that we wouldn't know it any more!
...maybe the minimum will be raised from 0,01 to 1.00
Pffttt.
Na...
Not going to do that.
No way.
I only use bots on casinos.
Have done so for many years.
OK,...will see that Tom!
Bots are not a problem for the casino's.
All Bots lose at some point.
What is at stake here, is the sudden change to the Rules, The table limits and the Formulation of this Mutually Exclusive Bet for No-where!!
We want answers, and we want then now.
I am chatting the the BV rep on Skype later this evening, after she has picked finished work.
I'm hoping for a frank and lively debate/discussion all a range of subjects, so........
This is to ALL Forum Members......
IF U HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS U WOULD LIKE ANSWERING, PLEASE LIST THEM UP.
I'll open a sister topic.thread to this one, and see if any questions/comments arise for BV rep to answer.
Be bold, be daring, but above all..............be honest.
(BTW, they already knew about, and have visited the Forum on previous occasions, as a Guest, so deleting stuff now, would be Futile.)
Sorry Chris, I had no intention to offend...anyone!
I can see your honest efforts to help at this situation!
...but I always try to see the other side of the medal
I'm not fully agree that the casinos not afraid of the bots.
If a bot begins with the minimum and with a decent system with the right money management/progression...with all the right settings and runs all day..., it may do a stable income even with that minimum wager!
...and if this bot runs with 2-3 well set systems at the same time, it may earn even very good income!
I don't think that the casino owners are idiots! ...now when the mutual bets are not possible the bots couldn't run!
Maybe they do that because of bots,...maybe, Who knows?
I would touch the other topic here... Tiago has enormous number of custom bot orders at the moment!
I know that because I'm on their waiting list for a bot, too!
There are custom bots that outmatch RBotPro(Sorry Tom) a hundred times, I don't know about Super Roulette!
...for example: (virtual losses, many and defferent kinds of progressions, switch over from one progress. to other at some stage of the game, many kinds of stops, stop after LL or LLL, many other functions and specifications etc., etc. etc.)
I afford myself to write this because of these members who are interested of bots.
Anyway, maybe the future are on bots, but this is another topic!
Hey Guys,
I also thought it was strange for BV to come up with a policy that prohibits mutually exclusive bets (red/ black etc.). They still allow completely free spins without placing a bet. The free spin's are obviously more advantageous than the mutually exclusive (red/black) bet, because the players are not vulnerable to the zero. Their new policy doesn’t make sense.
"Their new policy doesn’t make sense. "
LOL...it sure does to BV !!
Quote from: crownroyal on Mar 18, 09:56 PM 2011
Hey Guys,
I also thought it was strange for BV to come up with a policy that prohibits mutually exclusive bets (red/ black etc.). They still allow completely free spins without placing a bet. The free spin's are obviously more advantageous than the mutually exclusive (red/black) bet, because the players are not vulnerable to the zero. Their new policy doesn’t make sense.
do they allow free spins without betting ?
if so then why is every one challenging it ?
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 18, 11:43 PM 2011
do they allow free spins without betting ?
if so then why is every one challenging it ?
You only get 4 free spins.
i see.
4 isnt enough for me. but i can play 0.01 cent bets ?
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 19, 12:30 AM 2011
I see.
4 isnt enough for me. but I can play 0.01 cent bets ?
Yes
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Mar 19, 12:19 AM 2011
You only get 4 free spins.
Its only 3 free spins on the No Zero Roulette.
On the third and final spin, a warning pop-up, alerts U to the fact that this is Ur last Empty Spin.
U then have to place at least 1 bet before getting a further Three free spins (Empty Spin)
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thats all good.
how did your chat go chris with bv
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 19, 05:20 AM 2011
thats all good.
how did your chat go chris with bv
Not happened yet.
They (B V) are 4 hours behind me in time Zones.
Me -UK
B V- Antilles (Off the coast of Venezuela)
so timing will be the issue here.
I fell sleep (couldn't stop the matches from snapping under the eye lids) last night at 12, and I bet Nicole (the B V Rep) was only just having her evening meal!
So..................that gives members here, more time to get those all important questions down,
in the Other (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/question-arising-from-an-open-letter-to-betvoyager-account-please-fire-away/) Topic that's next to this one.
If Players want answers.........................I need questions to ask.
I will also be offering to bring B V rep here as a full member,
and then we will have greater access to this great casino operator.
i think that will be a mistake chris.
they dont care about the forum or the people here, they just want to know the most common way of playing or what they can do to stop us from winning.
i think its a mistake to bring them here. but in saying that im sure they can see anyway as a guest so it may have some benifits but dont see it.
I think U've got to re-think how we interact with casino's,
How we get access to them quicker, when problems/situations arise.
Ur version of how we treat casino's, and U see them treating us, is somewhat off the mark, with the way things are in the 21st century.
They are now professionally run, multi-million dollar companies.
Usually highly regulated, have share-holders who yes, want the fastest buck possible, but also
would not want to associated with 'EnRoN' type accounting, or 'Dodgy' performance practices.
I for one, think we will learn more by having them (or access to them ) IN-House, rather than being Out Side, and We only have THEIR front door, as a means to enquirer or ask questions.
I hope U see my----------W I D E R point.
i see your viewes mate.
it goes both ways, they see what we do and what we say.
you may think it may help us and it may do but then they will see what the average is up to.
so it goes both ways.
Quote from: darrynf on Mar 19, 06:41 AM 2011
I see your viewes mate.
it goes both ways, they see what we do and what we say.
you may think it may help us and it may do but then they will see what the average is up to.
so it goes both ways.
Fully agree with you Darrynf!
It's like people say: ..."to get the Wolf in the sheep-pen"
I hope to be wrong!...but to get a casino for frendship to players ???, it's a little bit much for me, Sorry!
Quote from: LeoLeo11 on Mar 19, 07:06 AM 2011
Fully agree with you Darrynf!
It's like people say: ..."to get the Wolf in the sheep-pen"
I hope to be wrong!...but to get a casino for frendship to players ???, it's a little much for me, Sorry!
But chaps................forgive me for pointing the OBVIOUS.
They are here already!!
Celtic casino (Live Video feed) = [attachimg=#1]
Fairway casino (same live feed)+ [attachimg=#2]
And I'm certain there are more.
I'd rather know, than go boldly around here,
thinking I'm protected from Public viewing, by some Invisible Shield?
Sorry to show U the reality boys.
And they sometimes bring nice promotions/news to the Forum. :thumbsup: :)
"But chaps................forgive me for pointing the OBVIOUS.
They are here already!!"
True!!!
Who could stop them to be here!
Since don't trust online casinos/except DB/and cause will be
forced to play online very soon I choose DB,regardless of their
ridiculous limits.Therefore one must have a method that wins
inside these limits.But also noticed since these casino members
arived the trafic on this forum has droped down 100%.....rarely
anybody post any ideas any longer.
im not a old member but i think flat is right about this.
but like you said chris they are here anyway. you do know why they come here.
they may give promotions but theres always some catch, i dont play bonus money and to be honest i wouldnt post any systems in here if i knew casinos were her.
i could be wrong and it might not matter but it dosent feel right to me.
well im convinced to open an account with bv oneday.
but casinos are here to see how we play, they arent stupid.
BV NOZERO ROULETTE
FREESPIN SOLUTION
===============
1.5 on LOW
0.5 on 19-24
1.0 on DOZ 3
=3u
RETURN=3u
Also works in AUTOMODE !
:)
Now you can have freespins!
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 19, 07:52 AM 2011
BV NOZERO ROULETTE
1.5 on LOW
0.5 on 19-24
1.0 on DOZ 3
=3u
RETURN=3u
Also works in AUTOMODE !
Now you can have freespins!
A.
well done Atlantis.
please post up this in the questions section, so I can 'Throw' it at B V to show them how ridiculous the stopping of the Mutual Exclusive Bet was IF the players want free spins after the THREE free spins.
Here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/question-arising-from-an-open-letter-to-betvoyager-account-please-fire-away/) cox.
I share some of darrynf's concerns. Yet I also agree with Chris' reality-checks -- they're here already.
Let's face it -- regardless of whether or not a rep is invited to join anyone can sign up under an anonymous user name. Just like we all do as a security measure!!
King Canute couldn't hold back the tide -- neither can we...
QuoteDear, ThomasGrant
We banned mutually exclusive bets at the same time. For example: you cannot bet on both black and red at the same time, on dozen, columns. And even players playing for "fun" the same rule applies.
I did say that they would do nothing.
And here is even more proof.
No matter how many of us complain.
No matter how many emails we send.
It looks like the changes are permanent.
Thank you for all you help.
And thanks to all of you, that have sent in emails to BetVoyager.
I think they know that many of us are not happy.
My guess is that not enough emails have been sent in.
Or that even if they get a 100 or more.
That they will still not change.
It's odd.
I can get free spins at most online Casinos.
THOMAS
I'm seriously wondering if they've made these changes because of the bots.
You took an awful lot of money from them a while back -- I clearly recall your regular updates on your amazing progress! :thumbsup:
Lots of other bots with the "right" settings (the secret to success) will also be sucking in the casino's cash.
They're not going to tolerate that sort of haemorrhaging indefinitely.
So in a classic pincer movement they've:
* cut out the free spins (bots rely on those)
* messed around with limits (makes the bots' progressions less viable)
To every attack there's a counter-attack...and they've done it in spades. And I predict more upsets to follow... :(
BetVoyager mutually exclusive bets
BetVoyager mutually exclusive bets (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=fsTIT3sYz_c#ws)
Quote from: esoito on Mar 19, 11:47 PM 2011
THOMAS
I'm seriously wondering if they've made these changes because of the bots.
You took an awful lot of money from them a while back -- I clearly recall your regular updates on your amazing progress! :thumbsup:
Lots of other bots with the "right" settings (the secret to success) will also be sucking in the casino's cash.
They're not going to tolerate that sort of haemorrhaging indefinitely.
So in a classic pincer movement they've:
* cut out the free spins (bots rely on those)
* messed around with limits (makes the bots' progressions less viable)
To every attack there's a counter-attack...and they've done it in spades. And I predict more upsets to follow... :(
I disagree.
This is just a recent thing.
I have been using bots at BV for ages now.
I know I have won money over there.
But I fail to see the logic in this decision.
I have posted a video on youtube.
Asking anyone with an account at BV to email them.
And see if we can remove this new policy.
I like FREE spins.
We'll agree to disagree, then.
If you think the bots have nothing to do with their decision then, in your opinion, what other reasons might they have for making these unwelcome changes?
Gentlemen.
Shall we wait for the answer(s) to the question(s), I will pose to the nice lady from B V then?
Otherwise, Ur just going to ding-dong between Urselves, and get no-where.
@Thomas
Atlantis has shown how to get free spins with the Variation bet he has 'Designed'.
Use it mate.
Should be easy enough to code, and then U could use at other casino's, just change the cent/penny amount.
1.5@Low
0.5@Line4 (19-24)
1@Doz 3
Which is the same as
3@ Low
1@ Line4
2@ Doz3
@esoito
I think the changes where made because of a combination of things.
It does, I agree, seem like a rushed decision, and with little, or no consideration for players World Wide.
I see no reason for U to agree or dis-agree.
We have no answers yet, for either of u to base any thoughts on, and, as has been said before
'bots' have been around for years, so I don't think it 'bots' per-say, but it maybe, that they fore-saw that a particular 'bet' was getting "A little too close for comfort"!!
Lets see how the answers turn out.
That's assuming, I get answers...............
she may just be on a marketing field trip excursion/exercise,
and is not the 'bod' we need to further our cause.
Feed back soon I hope, to U, and the whole Forum, on this subject.
@Chris
So rather than simply speculate about bots please ask them outright if the changes they are making is anything to do with bots.
You might even be told the truth... ;)
Bugger...
I thought if they got enough emails.
They might. Just might reconsider this.
But it does not look like it.
I sent my email this morning expressing my great disappointment >:( >:(. Still a great casino! I have been playing 2 units on 2 dozens, 1 unit on each of the double streets in the 3rd dozen. 6 units bet, 6 units returned on the no-zero table. Still works fine, just a bit of a hassle.