Okay here it is at last, now before I give you the mechanics of the method. I have to stress I may have overhyped it a bit. And if you think I have. Let me appologize from the outset.
Now I must also give great credit to my friend Scooby Doo for his persistent hard work, and this GEM is his brainchild. He always has excellent ideas. And is always looking for a great way to turn fast profit with a balance of turnover and strikerate.
I believe with TWO OF A KIND we have it. Okay THE METHOD...
1, You record spins for the DOZENS in rows of TWO until you have two DIFFERENT DOZENS. EXAMPLE...
3,3
2,1--TRIGGER
2, You now proceed to bet against the DOZEN on the left. So in this example, you would bet against DOZEN 2 by covering dozens 1 and 3.
3, We employ a 2 level staking plan.
LEVEL 1--1,1--3,3
LEVEL 2--2,2--6,6--TOTAL RISK 24PTS
4, If you win on the first spin you have won that GAME AND STOP. If you don't you go to step 2 of the level 1 progression and bet on the second spin. If you win you have an INSTANT TRIGGER for the next game. If you lose you will be staring at a matching pair 2,2. or 2,0 if a zero hits.
5, Each game must be TRIGGERED BY TWO DIFFERENT DOZENS. So the following example will illustrate when you bet and when you don't.
3,3-No bet
2,0-No bet
3,1-TRIGGER bet against DOZ 3
6, If you win your first 12 games straight, I recommend you stop and wait for a loss. Then continue. If 12 points is enough for you STOP AND BANK IT.
7, If you lose a GAME, on your next qualifying trigger you move up to level 2 STAKES for the next 3 games. If you lose two in a row you stay at level 2 until you recover. I have tested this method on 1,500 live games. It has an average strikerate of 10/1 over that span. SO WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL?
If you enter the cycle at the right moment a winning streak could unfold before you that will have you asking WHENS IT GOING TO LOSE? I have recorded winning streaks of 30,30,32,36 during my testing. It can lose twice in a row or 3 times in 10 games. But once it locks into a winning streak its AMAZING. Common long streaks of 12-17 occur nearly every 100 spins after a period where there were 2-4 close losses. It happens virtually everytime 12-17 being a common length. And for a METHOD that is this instant, winning streaks like this are unheard of.
I consider it the best RAPID FIRE method I've EVER SEEN. If you want a method that delivers an instant turnover and want to witness 20 plus winning streaks inside 100 spins TWO OF A KIND Is for you.
Learn to read this methods win loss pattern and you will accelerate your profits even more. There it is, TEST IT THOROUGHLY, and I think you will like it. How you stake it is up to you, it can win 30 plus times in a row but I have never seen it lose more than twice in a row. THINK ABOUT THAT...
Hi.
Thanks for sharing the method :)
Can you please post a longer example play of maiby 20 spin. I didnt understand what to do if we lose the bet like if we have record 33
21 and we bet against 2 and lose what to do?
Best Jon :)
If we dont win on the first spin do we bet again the same dozen or keep writing and wait for a new trigger ?
Example
33
12 Trigger bet against dozen 1 and lose what do i do now ?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 20, 05:19 PM 2011
Hi.
Thanks for sharing the method :)
Can you please post a longer example play of maiby 20 spin. I didn't understand what to do if we lose the bet like if we have record 33
21 and we bet against 2 and lose what to do?
Best Jon :)
Okay here is results from a real session I played YESTERDAY
3,3
3,1-TRIGGER Bet doz 1 and 2
2,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 3
1,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 3
1,3-lost first bet won 2nd bet doz 3 & 2
3,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 2
2,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 3
2,2-lost both move up to level 2 next 3 games
3,1-TRIGGER
2,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 3
3,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 1
2,2-won first bet DROP to level 1 stakes
1,2-TRIGGER
3,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 1
1,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 3
3,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 1
And so on Stop if you win 12 games and wait for a loss or end session.
Thanks i get it now :)
Jon
Hi John. Thanks for posting this :xd:. Thanks Scooby those winning streaks look incredible :o
Can't wait to start testing this
QuoteIf you win you have an INSTANT TRIGGER for the next game
Can you explain how this instant trigger works out? ???
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 20, 05:42 PM 2011
Okay here is results from a real session I played YESTERDAY
3,3
3,1-TRIGGER Bet doz 1 and 2
2,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 3
1,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 3
1,3-lost first bet won 2nd bet doz 3 & 2
3,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 2
2,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 3
2,2-lost both move up to level 2 next 3 games
3,1-TRIGGER
2,1-won first bet now bet doz 1 and 3
3,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 1
2,2-won first bet DROP to level 1 stakes
1,2-TRIGGER
3,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 1
1,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 3
3,2-won first bet now bet doz 2 and 1
And so on Stop if you win 12 games and wait for a loss or end session.
Ah i get it more now :smile:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 20, 05:45 PM 2011
Hi John. Thanks for posting this :xd:. Thanks Scooby those winning streaks look incredible :o
Can't wait to start testing this
Can you explain how this instant trigger works out? ???
I tell you Zig Zag I had 36 in a row today. I kept saying from about 25 wins right it has to lose now. I had quit playing for real after 12 straight wins lol!
Whats the most LLL's you seen in a row so far?
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 20, 06:02 PM 2011
What's the most LLL's you seen in a row so far?
two losses in a row 6 times in 1,500 games at Betfreds online Zig Zag.
Hi John,
This looks very similar to something I posted not long ago (see below). It does ok but the money management poses a challenge. Not sure how many spins you've tested this on but my opinion is you've had a good run so far (read "lucky")
In your post you say:
"3, We employ a 2 level staking plan.
LEVEL 1--1,1--3,3
LEVEL 2--2,2--6,6--TOTAL RISK 24PTS"
and then later
"How you stake it is up to you"
Bit confusing there but anyways. I tried some 2 dozen spin sequences a while back so it was easy enough to check this system out against some recorded spins and it doesn't look real solid at all tbh. Don't take this as a personal attack please though, some of the other stuff you've posted recently has given me some great inspiration and ideas.
Cheers
E
link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/matrix-3x2/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/matrix-3x2/)
Thanks, John. And Scooby.
Well documented. Well explained. Well worth testing. :thumbsup:
Quote from: eluka on Mar 20, 06:31 PM 2011
Hi John,
This looks very similar to something I posted not long ago (see below). It does ok but the money management poses a challenge. Not sure how many spins you've tested this on but my opinion is you've had a good run so far (read "lucky")
In your post you say:
"3, We employ a 2 level staking plan.
LEVEL 1--1,1--3,3
LEVEL 2--2,2--6,6--TOTAL RISK 24PTS"
and then later
"How you stake it is up to you"
Bit confusing there but anyways. I tried some 2 dozen spin sequences a while back so it was easy enough to check this system out against some recorded spins and it doesn't look real solid at all tbh. Don't take this as a personal attack please though, some of the other stuff you've posted recently has given me some great inspiration and ideas.
Cheers
E
link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/matrix-3x2/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/matrix-3x2/)
Eluka you learn to read whats going on the pattern of win loss is the secret. Staking is how I recommend. THE real POWER POINT of the method is two consecutive losses at most. And a habit of forming AT LEAST ONE WINNING STREAK OF 12 or more every 100 spin sample. ONLY test play this method on a LIVE WHEEL. It has a fast turnover in 20 spins you can win 10 straight games. So its not going to be as invincible as MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD is looking. You learn to read its win loss pattern. AFTER 1,500 games I CAN READ IT WELL. And so will anyone who tests it THOROUGHLY LIVE. Its a gem.
Hi John
Did quck test 54 spins
Had to move to level 2-2 stakes twice
Most loss in a row LL on 2 occasions
Ended + 10 :thumbsup:
Hi John,
Thanks for the system, below is my test from 132 spins and hope I have the W/L right???
If so could you tell me if I've started doing the progression right? thanks
12
31 W 1-1 (+1)
13 W 1-1 (+2)
12 LW 1-1 3-3 (+3)
33 W 1-1 (+4)
33
32
31 LW 1-1 3-3 (+5)
23 W 1-1 (+6)
23 LL 1-1 3-3 (0)
21 LW 2-2 6-6 (+2)
13 W 1-1 (+3) correct?
12 LW
31 W
32 LW
13 W
33 W
32
33 LW
12 W
22 W
32
01 LW
33
11
31
23 W
23 LL
21 LW
32 W
12 W
32 W
12 W
11 LW
12
13 LW
11 LW
01
32
33 LW
33
12
22 W
33
22
32
22 W
12
32 W
13 W
31 W
13 W
21 W
22 LW
22
33
21
13 W
21 W
23 LW
21 LW
31 W
21 W
13 W
13 LL
22 W
this is sort of the way im playing at the min but not quiet you might want to have a look at my results on the thread i put can i really stack bundles?
mate i trust matrix system because it runs on maths and probability but this one seems like pure luck? yeah you could go up 30 40 quid then you can get totaly wiped out as easily as you gained it. With your matrix system you put the odds in our favour but this one seems like pure chance iv seen one dozen dominate for 8+ spins in a row its common in ladbrokes happends all the time so where would we exactly use this system? iv been testing it on betfair freeplay and so far im up ÂÃ,£80 or so pound but i still dont understand the progressive betting stake i just double it till it hits.
This looks very good.
theway2go fuck that rng crap get on :.supercasino.com (link:://:.supercasino.com) go on the airball roulette or the live dealer
now using super casino but even in their fastest mode takes 30 seconds which is a fair bit tbh
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 20, 07:09 PM 2011
ONLY test play this method on a LIVE WHEEL.
Would be mad to do otherwise mate :)
Quote from: StackBundles on Mar 20, 09:42 PM 2011
Theway2go f*** that rng stuff get on :.supercasino.com (link:://:.supercasino.com) go on the airball roulette or the live dealer
Apparently "Only UK Users"...(mutter...mutter...grumble...)
I trying 2ofK @ Dublinbet just now, and the opposite seems to be working.
Now it's coming back...It's tough to know when the downturn will come.
Perhaps it is a better hit & run strategy.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 20, 04:49 PM 2011
1, You record spins for the DOZENS in rows of TWO until you have two DIFFERENT DOZENS. EXAMPLE...
3,3
2,1--TRIGGER
2, You now proceed to bet against the DOZEN on the left. So in this example, you would bet against DOZEN 2 by covering dozens 1 and 3.
AND IF DOZEN 2 WINS WHEN DO WE BET AGAIN,WAIT FOR A NEW TRIGGER or bet dozen 1.Sorry but the whole thing is as clear as mud to me ???
3, We employ a 2 level staking plan.
LEVEL 1--1,1--3,3
LEVEL 2--2,2--6,6--TOTAL RISK 24PTS
?
Quote from: theway2go on Mar 20, 09:19 PM 2011
Mate I trust matrix system because it runs on maths and probability but this one seems like pure luck? yeah you could go up 30 40 quid then you can get totaly wiped out as easily as you gained it. With your matrix system you put the odds in our favour but this one seems like pure chance iv seen one dozen dominate for 8+ spins in a row its common in ladbrokes happends all the time so where would we exactly use this system? iv been testing it on betfair freeplay and so far I'm up ÂÃ,£80 or so pound but I still don't understand the progressive betting stake I just double it till it hits.
Theway2go you don't bet all night like a madman, the method presents a chance to make quick profit. SELF DISCIPLINE, is required to SHUT IT DOWN, when youre in the positive. If you want a method that will rarely lose. Stick with the Matrix.
BUT, you will need more PATIENCE. The question is do you have it?
Quote from: moles40 on Mar 21, 12:56 AM 2011
Moles hi you bet for I win per game so in that case dozen 2 won game over. You now wait for a new trigger. If you have won a handful of games. You have the option to end a session. No matter what Method is presented on this forum, what can't be taught is PERSONAL SELF DISCIPLINE. You either have it or you don't. With the MATRIX you can be less tight,
with stop points because as yet its never lost. With a quick fire method if youre smart you realize its going to lose at some point. So I suggest 12 wins Max then stop. You might decide 5 and wait for a loss or end the session.
Never forget this. Anytime you walk away from a session with a profit, youve done what most don't think is possible. Do it 100 times in a row and things start to get serious. Even if its only 5 points average at a time. Do you see my point?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 21, 01:57 AM 2011
Never forget this. Anytime you walk away from a session with a profit, youve done what most don't think is possible. Do it 100 times in a row and things start to get serious. Even if its only 5 points average at a time. Do you see my point?
People want to be rich, and they thought
you (JohnLegend) were the goose that lays the golden eggs!
Thank you JohnLegend
I have played this very successfully today in its pure form in a short but sufficient live session. No need to be greedy.
This is an excellent and ingenious approach which by the way also lends itself by extension in overlapping ( with any other effective method) other targets you may trigger within the frequently hit target area two dozens of this two of a kind method ( say for example individual numbers or six lines).
It appears to be strong enough in its own right nevertheless.
Thanks for sharing this work. It is much appreciated.
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Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 21, 02:25 AM 2011
People want to be rich, and they thought you (JohnLegend) were the goose that lays the golden eggs!
Really, if you want to be rich, you have to start somewhere. And build it up. You dont do it overnight.
What would you rather have....A knock-out RICH babe who will drop you like a hot potato in a short time and break your heart or.......A semi-good-looking woman who will show you love and compassion for many years???
Roulette systems are like that....Some will win you a lot of units in a short period of time and then bomb big-time.......While others will win small amounts comfortably, many times over long stretches.
Choose your poison guys...you can't have it both ways.
Scooby Doo
Hi Scooby; JohnL,
This looks really interesting, the results very promising. Can't wait to try it out later today.
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 21, 01:57 AM 2011
Moles hi you bet for I win per game so in that case dozen 2 won game over. You now wait for a new trigger. If you have won a handful of games. You have the option to end a session. No matter what Method is presented on this forum, what can't be taught is PERSONAL SELF DISCIPLINE. You either have it or you don't. With the MATRIX you can be less tight,
with stop points because as yet its never lost. With a quick fire method if youre smart you realize its going to lose at some point. So I suggest 12 wins Max then stop. You might decide 5 and wait for a loss or end the session.
Never forget this. Anytime you walk away from a session with a profit, youve done what most don't think is possible. Do it 100 times in a row and things start to get serious. Even if its only 5 points average at a time. Do you see my point?
So if you either win or lose you wait for the next trigger:
1 2 bet dozen 2 and 3.Dozen 1 hits.lose
1 wait for next spin dozen 3.Play dozen 2 and dozen 3 level1 1 2nd stage 3,3.staking.dozen 2 hits win..Reset and start again?
Just done quick test at wiesbaden casino
3 12
1 16 dozen 2 and 3lose level 1 3,3 stake
12 22dozen 2 and 3win +1
29 34
34 15 dozen 1 and dozen 2win +2
14 17
18 32 dozen 1 and 3 win +3
27 35
21 8 dozen 1 and 3 win+4
25 0
25 18 dozen 1 and 2win+5
6 6
17 8 dozen 1 and 3 win+6
2 20 dozen 2 and 3 lose level 1 3,3 stake
8 15 dozen 2 and 3 win +7
22 29 dozen 1 and 3 win +8
2 28 dozen 2 and 3lose level 1 3,3 stake
3 8
34 4 dozen 1 and 2 win +9
7 36 dozen 2 and 3 win +10
14 0
27 28
21 30 dozen 1 and 3 win +11
36 21 dozen 1 and 3 win 12
5
Session end .12 point profit.
Excellent :)
I think there is some confusion on how this is played. The way i understand is
2 3 -----Trigger now bet dozens 1 - 3
2 3 -----Lost 1st bet now repeat same bet with 1 - 3 dozen. Win on second bet L W
Or maybe i'm confused? :-[
Dear John/Eluka/Scooby,
Isn't this method a copy of relaxed roulette with slight variation in bet selection?
Quote from: XXVV on Mar 21, 02:28 AM 2011
Thank you JohnLegend
I have played this very successfully today in its pure form in a short but sufficient live session. No need to be greedy.
This is an excellent and ingenious approach which by the way also lends itself by extension in overlapping ( with any other effective method) other targets you may trigger within the frequently hit target area two dozens of this two of a kind method ( say for example individual numbers or six lines).
It appears to be strong enough in its own right nevertheless.
Thanks for sharing this work. It is much appreciated.
XXVV You are welcome, yes GREED is a problem for most one win at a time. in a 100 days? Step it up thats how its done play big with your profit not your earnings
if u got a big enought bank and u could win a days wage quickly greed would not be a problem its when u have a small bank and trying to get it bigger quicker thats when i used to mess up
Quote from: StackBundles on Mar 21, 07:40 AM 2011
If you got a big enought bank and you could win a days wage quickly greed would not be a problem its when you have a small bank and trying to get it bigger quicker that's when I used to mess up
One step at a time when you get there YOU'RE THERE FOR LIFE. I can't overstate how important a disciplined mindset is, to becoming
successful longterm with this game. The weak link in the chain is always the players lack of discipline it really is.
If you lose both level 1 and 2 stakes
LL 1-1 3-3
LL 2-2 6-6
Do you just take the loss of 24 points and start again at 1-1 stakes
Or
Do you stay flat betting at 6-6 ???
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 21, 11:12 AM 2011
If you lose both level 1 and 2 stakes
LL 1-1 3-3
LL 2-2 6-6
Do you just take the loss of 24 points and start again at 1-1 stakes
Or
Do you stay flat betting at 6-6 ???
This question is the reason this method took longer than expected to hit the forum. Heres what I know. From 1,620 games now played live my longest winning streak is 36 (anyone else broken 30 yet?) And my longest losing streak is 2. This is why I believe the ultimate way to play this method is bet for
say five wins. STOP wait for a loss jump to level 2 stakes if you hit a double loss. Bet LEVEL 3 8,8--24,24 to recover half of that immediately then drop back down to Level 2 for 4 games. The thing I want everyone testing this speed gem to try and get good at is ROUGHLY predicting when that 8 plus winning streak is coming within a 100 spin frame. THEN YOU HAVE MASTERED THIS METHOD. And 8 points 16 points risk will seem like nothing. Also LEARN the VIRTUAL LIMIT for LOSSES within any 100 SPIN FRAME. My sample of 1,620 games shows this to be 6 at the moment with at least 30 wins in the same frame. STUDY AND MASTER ALL THESE THINGS. And watch how your confidence to RAISE AND LOWER STAKES at key moments grows...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 21, 12:28 PM 2011
This question is the reason this method took longer than expected to hit the forum. Heres what I know. From 1,620 games now played live my longest winning streak is 36 (anyone else broken 30 yet?) And my longest losing streak is 2. This is why I believe the ultimate way to play this method is bet for
say five wins. STOP wait for a loss jump to level 2 stakes if you hit a double loss. Bet LEVEL 3 8,8--24,24 to recover half of that immediately then drop back down to Level 2 for 4 games. The thing I want everyone testing this speed gem to try and get good at is ROUGHLY predicting when that 8 plus winning streak is coming within a 100 spin frame. THEN YOU HAVE MASTERED THIS METHOD. And 8 points 16 points risk will seem like nothing. Also LEARN the VIRTUAL LIMIT for LOSSES within any 100 SPIN FRAME. My sample of 1,620 games shows this to be 6 at the moment with at least 30 wins in the same frame. STUDY AND MASTER ALL THESE THINGS. And watch how your confidence to RAISE AND LOWER STAKES at key moments grows...
So you play this on real wheel casino. What should i expect if I play it on rng casino?
Quote from: marivo on Mar 21, 01:18 PM 2011
So you play this on real wheel casino. What should I expect if I play it on rng casino?
Theres only one way to find out, it could be similar because the games are so short the rng may not have time to figure you out if you play a snipe method.
Hi John thanks for the explination of how this works. Looks great so far although personaly i like to cover the zeros on the second level of the progression.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 20, 04:49 PM 2011
If you enter the cycle at the right moment a winning streak could unfold before you that will have you asking WHENS IT GOING TO LOSE? I have recorded winning streaks of 30,30,32,36 during my testing. It can lose twice in a row or 3 times in 10 games.
When you say you have recorded winning streaks of 30+ in a row. Do you mean the 30+ in a row won at level 1-1 in the progression? :o
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 21, 02:15 PM 2011
Hi John thanks for the explination of how this works. Looks great so far although personaly I like to cover the zeros on the second level of the progression.
When you say you have recorded winning streaks of 30+ in a row. Do you mean the 30+ in a row won at level 1-1 in the progression? :
No Zig Zag they were a mix of first and second step wins. Longest first step streak I have in my records is 11.
Ok then my record so far is 20 wins in row but only been testing short time :LoL:
I'm doing my testing with 10p chips on slingshot roulette :smile:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 21, 02:56 PM 2011
Ok then my record so far is 20 wins in row but only been testing short time :LoL:
I'm doing my testing with 10p chips on slingshot roulette :smile:
Thats a good way not too much risk. with 10p stakes you could finance against a SIX QUAD for only ÂÃ,£ ;D ;D76.20 youd be and Airball millionaire lol.
Played on rng casino 168 spins, got down -40u, recovered, finished +12u.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 21, 03:49 PM 2011
that's a good way not too much risk. with 10p stakes you could finance against a SIX QUAD for only ÂÃ,£ ;D ;D76.20 youd be and Airball millionaire LoL.
Hehe i get bored testing using some German casino spins. I prefer to test for real :thumbsup:
Quote from: marivo on Mar 21, 05:04 PM 2011
Played on rng casino 168 spins, got down -40u, recovered, finished +12u.
That must have been a real marathon session!
How did you recover? Was it using bet level 2 or 3?
u
Quote from: marivo on Mar 21, 05:04 PM 2011
Played on rng casino 168 spins, got down -40u, recovered, finished +12u.
You beat an RNG WOW!
Have a free 6hrs 2morrow so gonna test this baby then ;D
John, what is YOUR progression ?
Is it the usual 1-3-9-27 ?
I see you have NEVER lost 3 bets in a row, is that correct ?
Thanx for sharing buddy :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 21, 05:33 PM 2011
Have a free 6hrs 2morrow so gonna test this baby then ;D
John, what is YOUR progression ?
Is it the usual 1-3-9-27 ?
I see you have NEVER lost 3 bets in a row, is that correct ?
thanks for sharing buddy :thumbsup:
HEY THE TWISTERS in the neighbourhood. Never lost three my friend but can win 36 in a row. You gotta thank Scooby Doo, aswell, this is his baby. Although I think he isnt 100% happy with it.
PROGRESSION 1,1-33 LEVEL 1
2,2-6,6 LEVEL 2
8,8-24,24 LEVEL 3 AFTER DBL LOSS 1 GAME.
Hi John,
Admire you... ;)
On rng...
60 spins
13 no bets
5 losses/ each individually
+12 wins/ then I stopped as you suggested
Lady K
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 21, 05:30 PM 2011
Hehe I get bored testing using some German casino spins. I prefer to test for real :thumbsup:
That must have been a real marathon session!
How did you recover? Was it using bet level 2 or 3?
Just bet level 2 till I was positive and then back to bet level 1. As JL said there must be positive string among the frame of 100 spins and if you go deep down you should count on recovery. Thats how i see it, but its only 1 season.....After that I logged out and reconnected and have very smooth and short season and again +12.
2 games of 12 ,24 units plus real play local casino thanks scooby and F...ER/ JOHN.
Quote from: marivo on Mar 21, 06:14 PM 2011
Just bet level 2 till I was positive and then back to bet level 1. As JL said there must be positive string among the frame of 100 spins and if you go deep down you should count on recovery. that's how I see it, but its only 1 season.....After that I logged out and reconnected and have very smooth and short season and again +12.
Nice one :thumbsup:
I'm testing tonight will reveal the results later
Currently i stop each session at + 5
I put aside ÂÃ,£10 to test this which gives me 100 units @ 10p chips :smile: hehe
Hi.
I didnt get this system. I have read many times but i dont understand how to bet and the level in the progression?
Jon
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 21, 06:32 PM 2011
Nice one :thumbsup:
I'm testing tonight will reveal the results later
Currently I stop each session at + 5
I put aside ÂÃ,£10 to test this which gives me 100 units @ 10p chips :smile: hehe
From little acorns GROW MIGHTY OAKS Zig Zag....
thanx for sharing John :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 21, 06:57 PM 2011
From little acorns GROW MIGHTY OAKS Zig Zag....
I did same when i was first playing the Matrix30
ÂÃ,£10 bank. Playing on slingshot but with 20p chips this time as Matrix30 is slower
Got to ÂÃ,£16 which gave me a 3 stage recovery 1-1 2-2 6-6 @ ÂÃ,£1 chips which inabled me to transfer from the slingshot to live dealer :thumbsup:
From there it took off giving me more units for better progression
I withdraw 2 x ÂÃ,£40 :twisted:
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 21, 06:54 AM 2011
Dear John/Eluka/Scooby,
Isn't this method a copy of relaxed roulette with slight variation in bet selection?
It is but then that method is just playing the last dozens under certain conditions.
Hi Eluka,
Since I never saw what "Relaxed Roulette" looked like, I have no idea if it is similar or not.
As long as it is working for you, what does it matter?
Scooby Doo
I have been testing this rapid fire system with a pluscoup on the double dozens and it's been working just fine.
Actually, John started it with his 1-1; 3-3 then 2-2; 6-6. All you do is continue with the progression until you are at a new high water mark. So if you lose at 1-1 & 3-3, you play 2-2 & 6-6 until you reach a new high in your bank or lose a 2 bet at this level. Then you move to 3-3 & 9-9 and stay at this level until you recover completely or lose a 2-bet series. Then you move to 4-4 & 12-12 etc... Just like Oscar's grind on Even Chances, only for 2 dozens.
If this is too much of a grind for you, you can skip a level and move up at a faster pace. 1-1 & 3-3 then skip 2-2 & 6-6 and go to 3-3 & 9-9, then go to 6-6 & 18-18 etc...
You must set a stop loss just in case the streak from you know where jumps on the exact machine you decided to play at the exact time you decided to play it.
When that happens, we just have to have a parachute with us or it's "Katie bar the door."
George
Quote from: GLC on Mar 21, 11:20 PM 2011
I have been testing this rapid fire system with a pluscoup on the double dozens and it's been working just fine.
Actually, John started it with his 1-1; 3-3 then 2-2; 6-6. All you do is continue with the progression until you are at a new high water mark. So if you lose at 1-1 & 3-3, you play 2-2 & 6-6 until you reach a new high in your bank or lose a 2 bet at this level. Then you move to 3-3 & 9-9 and stay at this level until you recover completely or lose a 2-bet series. Then you move to 4-4 & 12-12 etc... Just like Oscar's grind on Even Chances, only for 2 dozens.
If this is too much of a grind for you, you can skip a level and move up at a faster pace. 1-1 & 3-3 then skip 2-2 & 6-6 and go to 3-3 & 9-9, then go to 6-6 & 18-18 etc...
You must set a stop-loss just in case the streak from you know where jumps on the exact machine you decided to play at the exact time you decided to play it.
When that happens, we just have to have a parachute with us or it's "Katie bar the door."
George
I recommend you play in 100 spin blocks. stop after five straight wins and wait for a loss. Restart for one game at level 2 stakes. Then stop and wait for another loss, until you have 5-10 units plus.
The upside to playing this way, you avoid losses nearly all the time until you get a double loss. Plus you get to study this methods win loss patterns inside a set frame.
The downside, you could be at the start of a lengthy winning streak. But I believe in profit preservation aswell as creation. And a loss avoided is a recovery saved.
In case anyone is wondering why I haven't added anything in this thread even though John credits me with the creation, is because John verbalizes everything so eloquently that it doesn't leave any room to add much of anything....which is Ok for me.
I do have one thing to add here however.
For some forum members, this method is way too slow and so will probably not play it for real money but my words of advice are these:
Everything that moves forward from a stopped position, has to do so by building up momentum, little by little until the desired speed is attained..
This being said, look at the units you win as the momentum and the ever increasing size of units you play as your speed in getting where you want to go.
When you look at it that way, the wait time to build up unit size doesn't seem so long.
No worthwhile goal is achieved in one day and winning a good sum of money each day is the goal.
I would much rather play for a short time each day to win my unit goal (Using Bigger Units) than be forced to play lot longer and riskier because my unit size is so small.
Food for thought...Fatten your mind
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Mar 22, 02:09 AM 2011
In case anyone is wondering why I haven't added anything in this thread even though John credits me with the creation, is because John verbalizes everything so eloquently that it doesn't leave any room to add much of anything....which is Ok for me.
I do have one thing to add here however.
For some forum members, this method is way too slow and so will probably not play it for real money but my words of advice are these:
Everything that moves forward from a stopped position, has to do so by building up momentum, little by little until the desired speed is attained..
This being said, look at the units you win as the momentum and the ever increasing size of units you play as your speed in getting where you want to go.
When you look at it that way, the wait time to build up unit size doesn't seem so long.
No worthwhile goal is achieved in one day and winning a good sum of money each day is the goal.
I would much rather play for a short time each day to win my unit goal (Using Bigger Units) than be forced to play lot longer and riskier because my unit size is so small.
Food for thought...Fatten your mind
Scooby Doo
Well said Scooby but slow this method never is in relation to the Matrix or Zone where you could wait 50 spins to start this is an express profit maker.
Hello
First test on two of a kind
+12 in 33 spins great
2nd test not so good but maybe a way to improve it
This is my 2nd test on a live wheel Fairway casino
11
13
13 L W +1
31 W +2
33 L L -6
13
12 L W -4 up to 22 66
12 L W -2
31 W EVEN 3 wins back down to 11 33
32 L W +1
31 W +2
33 L L -6
11
11
21
23 L W up to 22 66 -4
12 W -2
21 W even
This is my idea to improve a losing run
Same spins
When we get 3 of the same dozen in the first line
1
1
1
We change the order of play
11
13
13 next spin put in 2nd row
3
13
31 W +1
31 L W +2
21 W +3
23 LW +4
13 W +5
23 W +6
13 W +7
31 W +8
11 W +9
12
12 LW +10
three of the same dozen in first row change order of play
3
12
21 W +11
Hope sameone can let me now want they think and also
Does it make a difference what live wheel we use because
I was really disappointed with my 2nd try with the original rules
Nice to see some testing at a Live wheel That we are most familiar with.
Cheers ROB22 :thumbsup:
@JohnLegend
Can I ask U why don't U play for the double, and play both number in the 2 Dozen sequence?
It would seem to work just as well as playing for the inside number (left hand).
It unique as a Dozen (it has to be to satisfy the condition set on Ur First Rule).
Is the some 'Special Case' for only targeting the Left hand Dozen, since at the end of the Day(I Know- it goes dark!)................this is another example of an Player Illuzion bet?
When laid out in a flat line of results, this 'Play Marker Bet' is something that can be Notated by double comma's:-
My first play-
3 , 1....trigger
3 , 2....trigger
2 , 3....trigger
2 , 1....trigger
2 , 3....trigger
Which could also be Noted thus:-
3,1,,T,,3,2,,T,,2,3,,T,,2,1,,T,,2,3,,T,,
so from any standing start, anything (after two dozens) u have not got a repeating Dozen results- its a trigger.
But why only target the First Unique Dozen Result, why not aim(with good MM) both unique Dozens, and suspend betting, when the repeats arrive in town?
Cheers Chris
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 21, 05:47 PM 2011
HEY THE TWISTERS in the neighbourhood. Never lost three my friend but can win 36 in a row. You gotta thank Scooby Doo, as well, this is his baby. Although I think he isnt 100% happy with it.
PROGRESSION 1,1-33 LEVEL 1
2,2-6,6 LEVEL 2
8,8-24,24 LEVEL 3 AFTER DBL LOSS 1 GAME.
Hey Hey !
Yes ure correct John
Thanx to Scoob too ;D
Scoob, john said ure not happy with this ? What would you change ?
Okkkkk testin laters :thumbsup:
Hi Twisteruk,
Well, just call me a perfectionist. There are always things that can be fine-tuned to get better performance....
I don't like to do the fine-tuning AFTER we present it to the forum. It makes it look like we don't have all aspects thought out thoroughly in my opinion...But hey! What do I know?..hahahaha!
Scooby Doo
Hi Chrisbis,
The preponderance of wins occur on the first bet. If you skip the second bet and go to the next trigger, you're giving yourself a new set of dozens to bet on each time which should give you a better opportunity to snag a win before your betting series runs out.
Scooby Doo
Could someone please tell me want I'm doing wrong
Test live wheel
13
21 W B 11 +1
02 L L B 11 33 -7
33
33
21
22 L L B 22 66 -23
21
11 W B 88 -15
12
22 W B 22 -13
13
13 L W B22 66 -11
32 W B 22 -9
33 L L B 22 66 -25
11
32
12 W B 22 -23
13 L W B22 -21
11 L L B 22 66 -37
21
32 W B22 -35
21 W B22 -33
32 W B22 -31
33 L L B22 66 -47
I may be using the wrong live casino because everyone seems to be winning.
I did 7 sessions last night on slingshot roulette.
I stopped each session at + 5
210 spins in total
One of the sessions was a real grinder after i hit LL at the start, then another LL just as i recoverd the first >:(
50 @ W :o
5 @ LW
5 @ LL
Total + 30 :xd:
My last session i stopped at evens after an eary LL as was late :yawn:
I think that 2. level bet is 33 66 and not 22 66.....Oh no, I see now, its 22 66, correct. Fact is I did in all my tests 33 66....my mistake
Quote from: ROB22 on Mar 22, 03:35 AM 2011
This is my idea to improve a losing run
When we get 3 of the same dozen in the first line
1
1
1
We change the order of play
11
13
13 next spin put in 2nd row
3
13
31 W +1
31 L W +2
21 W +3
23 LW +4
13 W +5
23 W +6
13 W +7
31 W +8
11 W +9
12
12 LW +10
three of the same dozen in first row change order of play
3
12
21 W +11
Hope sameone can let me now want they think and also
Does it make a difference what live wheel we use because
I was really disappointed with my 2nd try with the original rules
Hi ROB22,
I tried your idea and won +12 in 67 spins with Wiesbaden real numbers.
(highest bet = 3-3)
A.
Thanks for reading my post and trying it Atlantis
Quote from: ROB22 on Mar 22, 07:07 AM 2011
Could someone please tell me want I'm doing wrong
Test live wheel
13
21 W B 11 +1
02 L L B 11 33 -7
33
33
21
22 L L B 22 66 -23
21
11 W B 88 -15
12
22 W B 22 -13
13
13 L W B22 66 -11
32 W B 22 -9
33 L L B 22 66 -25
11
32
12 W B 22 -23
13 L W B22 -21
11 L L B 22 66 -37
21
32 W B22 -35
21 W B22 -33
32 W B22 -31
33 L L B22 66 -47
I may be using the wrong live casino because everyone seems to be winning.
If you move to the right after 3xdoz2 in row, as you suggested in your previous post, you would play much better, dont you think so? I see only 1 double loss in that case instead of 3 as happened to you.....
I was only using the original rules in this case
to see how they go. Thanks for spotting it
Another season on rng no zero roulette. 178 spins. I move to the right after 3 doz in raw - this happened 4 times, went to 2. bet level 4 times (all recovered), +20u. Play time 35 min. Data attached.
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Bit of a recovery session here. Slingshot roulette.
Just to show you how i recoverd (using original way)
3 3
2 3
2 1 LW +1 1-1 3-3
1 3 W +2
3 3 W +3
1 1
2 3
2 3 W +4
2 2 LL - 4
3 1
2 3 W - 2 2-2 6-6
2 2 LL -18 2 2 6-6
3 1
1 2 W -15 3-3
2 3 W -12 3-3
1 3 W -9 3-3
3 3 W -7 2-2
2 3
3 1 W -5 2-2
3 2 LW - 3 2-2 6-6
3 1 LW - 2 1-1 3-3
2 2 W -1
1 3
3 1 W -0
3 1 LW +1
2 3 W +2
3 3 W +3
2 2
3 1
3 1 W + 4 :wink:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 22, 09:44 AM 2011
Bit of a recovery session here. Slingshot roulette.
Just to show you how I recoverd (using original way)
3 3
2 3
2 1 LW +1 1-1 3-3
1 3 W +2
3 3 W +3
1 1
2 3
2 3 W +4
2 2 LL - 4
3 1
2 3 W - 2 2-2 6-6
2 2 LL -18 2 2 6-6
3 1
1 2 W -15 3-3
2 3 W -12 3-3
1 3 W -9 3-3
3 3 W -7 2-2
2 3
3 1 W -5 2-2
3 2 LW - 3 2-2 6-6
3 1 LW - 2 1-1 3-3
2 2 W -1
1 3
3 1 W -0
3 1 LW +1
2 3 W +2
3 3 W +3
2 2
3 1
3 1 W + 4 :wink:
Welldone Zig Zag, that is a standard result for this method. TWO OR THREE close losses followed by an 8+ winning streak. You will see that patter again and AGAIN...
Another season on rng no zero roulette. 147 spins. I move to the right after 3 doz in raw, +20u. Play time 25 min. Data attached.
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hi guys quick question, what is the recommended progression now?
level 1: 1-1, 3-3
level 2: 2-2, 6-6 ( 24 units) do we stop here on a lvl 2 loss and reset?
i see some people playing lvl 3: 3-3 and 9-9??
CHEERS
hamsup
Quote from: hamsup_sotong on Mar 22, 11:05 AM 2011
Hi guys quick question, what is the recommended progression now?
level 1: 1-1, 3-3
level 2: 2-2, 6-6 ( 24 units) do we stop here on a lvl 2 loss and reset?
i see some people playing lvl 3: 3-3 and 9-9??
CHEERS
hamsup
I have been using more conservative
Level 1: 1-1, 3-3
Level 2: 2-2, 6-6
Level 3: 3-3, 9-9
But John suggests level 3 can be 8-8-24-24 for quicker recovery within 3 wins
Hi.
I dont understand how to play this. Do we only bet on the dozen to the left one time and if lose wait for a new 2 different dozen?
ZigZag maiby you can explain with a example like you did with the matrix to me:):):)
Jon
4, If you win on the first spin you have won that GAME AND STOP. If you don't you go to step 2 of the level 1 progression and bet on the second spin. If you win you have an INSTANT TRIGGER for the next game. If you lose you will be staring at a matching pair 2,2. or 2,0 if a zero hits.
Does this means we bet 2 times on the first 2 different dozen bet the one to the left 2 times with progression level 1?
Am i right? :)
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 22, 11:35 AM 2011
4, If you win on the first spin you have won that GAME AND STOP. If you don't you go to step 2 of the level 1 progression and bet on the second spin. If you win you have an INSTANT TRIGGER for the next game. If you lose you will be staring at a matching pair 2,2. or 2,0 if a zero hits.
Does this means we bet 2 times on the first 2 different dozen bet the one to the left 2 times with progression level 1?
Am I right? :)
Jon
Jon mate,
Yes, I think you are getting it. When you have 2 different dozens such as
33
13 Right here you have 2 different dozens so bet against the 1 dozen or bet 1-1 on doz 2 & 3.
21 We win our 1-1 bet because doz 2 hit. Since we won, we don't have to bet again. We also have two different dozens so another bet against doz 2 so we bet doz 1 & 3 next.
21 We lost our 1-1 bet because a 2 spun so we must bet our 3-3 bet which wins because 1 doz hit. We also have another trigger with two different dozens showing. Since 3-3 won, we go back to betting 1-1 against dozen 2.
22 Uh oh. We lost our 1-1 and our 3-3 bet because doz 2 hit twice. Now we have to go to the next level of 2-2 and 6-6.
23 We lost our 2-2 bet also. That makes us down 12 units in the last 3 bets. This is also where some of the guys are recommending skipping a slot and moving the 2 to the 2nd position and the 3 to the 1st position on the next line. Or we can just bet 6-6 which will win. We also have a new trigger so we bet 2-2 again on dozens 1 & 3.
12 We win our 2-2 bet.
The way I understand it is that we continue to bet 2-2 & 6-6 until we recover our losses then we go back to 1-1 & 3-3 until we have 2 losses in a row.
An option is if we lose 1-1 & 3-3 and we lose 2-2 and 6-6, we can bet 1 time 8-8 & 24-24 as a means of recovering losses in 1 bet.
That's the basics as I understand them, my friend.
LOL,
George
Hi Jon
23 Now we bet 1+3 dozen
21 Result 2 doz (red)we lose. So we bet again 1+3 doz level 1 @ 3-3 stakes Result 1 doz. We win
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 22, 11:35 AM 2011
4, If you win on the first spin you have won that GAME AND STOP. If you don't you go to step 2 of the level 1 progression and bet on the second spin. If you win you have an INSTANT TRIGGER for the next game. If you lose you will be staring at a matching pair 2,2. or 2,0 if a zero hits.
Does this means we bet 2 times on the first 2 different dozen bet the one to the left 2 times with progression level 1?
Am I right? :)
Jon
Jon after a trigger, a game= ONE WIN OR TWO LOSSES. So you always bet for ONE win out of two bets. If its the first bet GAME OVER. You only bet TWICE if you Lose the first bet. Do you understand this?
I believe if a snipe betting method is applied to TWO OF A KIND. It becomes an even Better method. Example Rob22 had the session from hell. But, only in Continuos play, it he had taken my tip for waiting for a loss. He would have ended that session in profit.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 22, 12:01 PM 2011
Jon after a trigger, a game= ONE WIN OR TWO LOSSES. So you always bet for ONE win out of two bets. If its the first bet GAME OVER. You only bet TWICE if you Lose the first bet. Do you understand this?
I believe if a snipe betting method is applied to TWO OF A KIND. It becomes an even Better method. Example Rob22 had the session from hell. But, only in Continuos play, it he had taken my tip for waiting for a loss. He would have ended that session in profit.
Ok.
So if i lose the first i bet on it one more time and stopp and wait for new trigger 2 different dozen and i bet again only next level of progression?
Jon
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 22, 12:01 PM 2011
I believe if a snipe betting method is applied to TWO OF A KIND. It becomes an even Better method. Example Rob22 had the session from hell. But, only in Continuos play, it he had taken my tip for waiting for a loss. He would have ended that session in profit.
Now i record last 10 spins writing down the Ls and Ws before i jump in. Maybe wait for the first virtual LL then start after a virtual W something like that. Still experimenting
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 22, 11:57 AM 2011
Hi Jon
23 Now we bet 1+3 dozen
21 Result 2 doz (red)we lose. So we bet again 1+3 doz level 1 @ 3-3 stakes Result 1 doz. We win
Super ZIGZAG ;D
I understand now ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 22, 12:07 PM 2011
Ok.
So if I lose the first I bet on it one more time and stopp and wait for new trigger 2 different dozen and I bet again only next level of progression?
Jon
Yes, Jon. But for a few days now I've been contemplating a tweak that turns this method into a whole different animal. THE REAL POWER OF THIS METHOD ISNT ITS POTENTIAL LONG WINNING STREAKS.
ITS *TRUE POWER* Is its short losing streaks. What I'm saying here is instead of playing blindly until we hit a losing game and then having to GRIND OUT A RECOVERY. We turn OUR ENEMY into OUR TRIGGER.
Remember it takes *8* wins to recover one loss at LEVEL 1 STAKES. Why put ourselves through that? When yesterday for example I Played 220 spins (98 GAMES). In That span there were 10 losing games. Among those only one DOULBE LOSS.
I believe tweaking this method to make a LOSING GAME our trigger, Turns it into a much better METHOD. Its got a fast enough turnover to make the wait more than WORTHWHILE. I will later today post an example from my real results to illustrate this.
Quote from: GLC on Mar 22, 11:55 AM 2011
Jon mate,
Yes, I think you are getting it. When you have 2 different dozens such as
33
13 Right here you have 2 different dozens so bet against the 1 dozen or bet 1-1 on doz 2 & 3.
21 We win our 1-1 bet because doz 2 hit. Since we won, we don't have to bet again. We also have two different dozens so another bet against doz 2 so we bet doz 1 & 3 next.
21 We lost our 1-1 bet because a 2 spun so we must bet our 3-3 bet which wins because 1 doz hit. We also have another trigger with two different dozens showing. Since 3-3 won, we go back to betting 1-1 against dozen 2.
22 Uh oh. We lost our 1-1 and our 3-3 bet because doz 2 hit twice. Now we have to go to the next level of 2-2 and 6-6.
23 We lost our 2-2 bet also. That makes us down 12 units in the last 3 bets. This is also where some of the guys are recommending skipping a slot and moving the 2 to the 2nd position and the 3 to the 1st position on the next line. Or we can just bet 6-6 which will win. We also have a new trigger so we bet 2-2 again on dozens 1 & 3.
12 We win our 2-2 bet.
The way I understand it is that we continue to bet 2-2 & 6-6 until we recover our losses then we go back to 1-1 & 3-3 until we have 2 losses in a row.
An option is if we lose 1-1 & 3-3 and we lose 2-2 and 6-6, we can bet 1 time 8-8 & 24-24 as a means of recovering losses in 1 bet.
That's the basics as I understand them, my friend.
LoL,
George
Thanks George. Very good explained ;D
Jon
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 22, 11:57 AM 2011
Hi Jon
23 Now we bet 1+3 dozen
21 Result 2 doz (red)we lose. So we bet again 1+3 doz level 1 @ 3-3 stakes Result 1 doz. We win
What progression is the best to use.
And how many times after a level loss do we stay on the next level progression?
Jon :)
Hi Jon
After a LL
I move up to level 2
I stay at level 2 for 3 wins then drop back to level 1
I do this for all the levels. Move up after LL drop back each level after 3 wins
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 22, 01:27 PM 2011
Hi Jon
After a LL
I move up to level 2
I stay at level 2 for 3 wins then drop back to level 1
I do this for all the levels. Move up after LL drop back each level after 3 wins
Thanks. So only progression 11.33.22.66?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 22, 01:30 PM 2011
Thanks. So only progression 11.33.22.66?
Jon
I was using a 3rd level of 3-3 9-9 also which if need be gives me room to use a 4th level, but i think most on here are using 8-8 24-24 at level 3 for one or 2 spins.
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 22, 01:36 PM 2011
I was using a 3rd level of 3-3 9-9 also which if need be gives me room to use a 4th level, but I think most on here are using 8-8 24-24 at level 3 for one or 2 spins.
Thanks :)
Johnlegend
Have you ever seen LLLLL before? I only ever see LL and then its broken up with at least 1 W like this LLwLL
Surely we can take advantage of this with zero coverd later in progression, or dose your data suggest otherwise :question:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 22, 12:30 PM 2011
I believe tweaking this method to make a LOSING GAME our trigger, Turns it into a much better METHOD. Its got a fast enough turnover to make the wait more than WORTHWHILE. I will later today post an example from my real results to illustrate this.
Hi JohnLegend,
That's interesting John...
I've been trying something along similar lines.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 22, 02:29 PM 2011
Hi JohnLegend,
That's interesting John...
I've been trying something along similar lines.
A.
I liked ure proposal A
Needs testin maybe :)
I'd like to add a mod for 2ofK
CC
AB<only bet left when above is the same (in this case bet a)
BB
BC<bet b
AA
cb<bet c
-----------------------------------------------
may slow it down some, but still fairly quick
Quote from: ROB22 on Mar 22, 07:07 AM 2011
Could someone please tell me want I'm doing wrong
Test live wheel
13
21 W B 11 +1
02 L L B 11 33 -7
33
33
21
22 L L B 22 66 -23
21
11 W B 88 -15
12
22 W B 22 -13
13
13 L W B22 66 -11
32 W B 22 -9
33 L L B 22 66 -25
11
32
12 W B 22 -23
13 L W B22 -21
11 L L B 22 66 -37
21
32 W B22 -35
21 W B22 -33
32 W B22 -31
33 L L B22 66 -47
I may be using the wrong live casino because everyone seems to be winning.
Doesnt look like you went past progession of 2? most if not all of your losses would have been avoided if you just doubbled up again or am i not reading this right?
I was using the 1,1 3,3 first game
and 2,2 6,6 2nd game and when I lost two games
in a row 8,8 24,24 only once then back down to 2,2
Been thinking of a different staking plan.A sort of dlembert.
If you lose you move up a point and stay at that level for 2 wins in a row before moving down a level.
1 lose -2
2 win 0
2 lose -4
3 win -1
3 win +2
2 win +4
1 win +5
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 22, 01:59 PM 2011
Johnlegend
Have you ever seen LLLLL before? I only ever see LL and then its broken up with at least 1 W like this LLwLL
Surely we can take advantage of this with zero coverd later in progression, or dose your data suggest otherwise :question:
No a double loss is the most thats why im now playing tbis method with a losing game as my trigger. I will present All games played with a trigger soon, and show you how it improves this method.
Hi John,
I am most anxiuos to see how this using a loss as a trigger works. At the moment I can't get my mind around it.
By the way, where did you get the idea that the highest number of losses will be two in a row? That doesn't sound possible...at least to continue that way forever.
I think once you are ready to post how you are playing the trigger, you need to post the complete method all in one place so the thread readers of this thread can see it all together. I know I would.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Mar 21, 11:10 PM 2011
Hi Eluka,
Since I never saw what "Relaxed Roulette" looked like, I have no idea if it is similar or not.
As long as it is working for you, what does it matter?
Scooby Doo
I'm not actually playing this, the first session I checked was from hell starting with 3 straight losses, followed by several more in the session. Enough to discourage me from going any further.
Full credit to John and you guys though, have given me some interesting ideas to play with :)
This method is
almost like playing the opposite of Hermes 2nd last dozens? He bets for it to hit, this bets against it hitting (at certain times).
E
Hi John,
I just did some testing. I waited for an LL and then started playing. It was 26 spins before I got that first loss.
Then another 44 spins before the next loss and 24 more spins for the final loss.
That sounds good but there were a lot of "No Bets" in between...11 wins after my second loss but only seven wins after the next loss until I hit another loss.
I'm thinking maybe you should only try for 5 wins and then wait for the next loss. Unfortunately, by using a loss as a trigger, your units won versus your playing time goes way down because you are having to wait for the next loss before playing again.
Scooby Doo
u
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Mar 24, 05:09 AM 2011
Hi John,
I just did some testing. I waited for an LL and then started playing. It was 26 spins before I got that first loss.
Then another 44 spins before the next loss and 24 more spins for the final loss.
That sounds good but there were a lot of "No Bets" in between...11 wins after my second loss but only seven wins after the next loss until I hit another loss.
I'm thinking maybe you should only try for 5 wins and then wait for the next loss. Unfortunately, by using a loss as a trigger, your units won versus your playing time goes way down because you are having to wait for the next loss before playing again.
Scooby Doo
Scoob the idea is to wait for a loss but jump in at level 2 stakes to make the wait worth it Im stopping after 10 points won 5 wins its working Will post my results since the tweak tonight.
I just completed a few session using a loss as trigger 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression.
Session 1 34 spins + 4
Session 2 46 spins + 3
Session 3 60 spins + 8
Session 4 40 spins + 2
Highest progression 3-3
Example session. (session 1)
3 3
2 3 W
3 2 W
2 3 W
3 3 W
3 1 L Trigger
3 1 L Loss 1-1
1 3 W Win 3-3 + 1
1 2 L Trigger
3 2 W Win + 2
3 3 L L Loss 1-1
1 1 No bet
1 3 Trigger
2 1 W Win 3-3 + 3
1 2 W
1 3 L Trigger
2 3 W Win + 4
Session End
Early days of testing but I like it so far :smile:
Hi ZigZag,
Tried a similar test (wait for trigger L before each bet) on nozero rng
+3 in 54 spins
Highest progression 3-3
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 25, 11:13 AM 2011
I just completed a few session using a loss as trigger 1-1 3-3 9-9 progression.
Session 1 34 spins + 4
Session 2 46 spins + 3
Session 3 60 spins + 8
Session 4 40 spins + 2
Highest progression 3-3
Example session. (session 1)
3 3
2 3 W
3 2 W
2 3 W
3 3 W
3 1 L Trigger
3 1 L Loss 1-1
1 3 W Win 3-3 + 1
1 2 L Trigger
3 2 W Win + 2
3 3 L L Loss 1-1
1 1 No bet
1 3 Trigger
2 1 W Win 3-3 + 3
1 2 W
1 3 L Trigger
2 3 W Win + 4
Session End
Early days of testing but I like it so far :smile:
Zig Zag it makes sense instead of winning just to give it back. the vast majority of losses are singular. Followed by a win I've now played 200 games this way. RESULTS coming soon. And from what I've learnt I'm betting 10-10-1-35-35-3 on the after the next loss following A DOUBLE LOSS. Winning streaks in double figures are possible.
John,
I really don't understand your progression...please show it in action.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 25, 01:25 PM 2011
Hi ZigZag,
Tried a similar test (wait for trigger L before each bet) on nozero rng
+3 in 54 spins
Highest progression 3-3
Cheers,
A.
In early test playing the original way i did see LLL but that was due to a zero
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 25, 02:27 PM 2011
Zig Zag it makes sense instead of winning just to give it back. the vast majority of losses are singular. Followed by a win I've now played 200 games this way. RESULTS coming soon. And from what I've learnt I'm betting 10-10-1-35-35-3 on the after the next loss following A DOUBLE LOSS. Winning streaks in double figures are possible.
.
Hi John really looking forward to your tests. I havent played as many games, but your confident in this to just use a 2 step with zero coverd?
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 25, 02:50 PM 2011
In early test playing the original way I did see LLL but that was due to a zero.
Hi John really looking forward to your tests. I haven't played as many games, but your confident in this to just use a 2 step with zero coverd?
Absolutely Zig Zag the amount of singular losses followed by a win is STAGGERING. Its worth the wait it really is. ITS ALWAYS ABOUT RISK VS STRIKERATE. No matter what method you play. Playing this way your risk is minumal and your strikerate justifies your time investment. As I always say, better to wait for success than rush to failure.
A gambler without PATIENCE will never see/know a HOLYGRAIL because they cannot conceive the notion that you have to become one with it. They will pass it by in search of the next instant fix. And I see that even on these forums where people come to learn.
They stlll come with inherent bad habits that deny them EVER knowing how great something is. They make the fatal mistake of thinking success in this game is instant. It never is nor everwill be.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 25, 03:50 PM 2011
Absolutely Zig Zag the amount of singular losses followed by a win is STAGGERING. Its worth the wait it really is. ITS ALWAYS ABOUT RISK VS STRIKERATE. No matter what method you play. Playing this way your risk is minumal and your strikerate justifies you time investment. As I always say, better to wait for success than rush to failure.
A gambler without PATIENCE will never see/know a HOLYGRAIL because they cannot conceive the notion that you have to become one with it. They will pass it by in search of the next instant fix. And I see that even on these forums where people come to learn.
They stlll come with inherent bad habits that deny them EVER knowing how great something is. They make the fatal mistake of thinking success in this game is instant. It never is nor everwill be.
:thumbsup:
Playing up to two spins after a L trigger as one game
1, 1 3,3 if you lose both bets drop down to
3,3 9,9 and stay at this level for three wins then back up again
9,9 27,27 If you lose both bets drop down again and so on
Spielbank real spin result 03/01/11
11
12
12 L W +1
33 W
32
22 W
23
33 W
21
30 W
32
11 W
21
12 W
12 L W +2
23
13 W
11 L L
31
13 W +3
20 W
33
23
32 W
11
12
21 W
21 L W +4
30 W
33
23
21 L W +5
22 L L
21
31 W +6
33 L L
33
31
22 W +7
13
31 W
03 L L
22
23
31 W +8
32 L W +9
31
11 W
11
23
12 W
31 W
11 W
11
22
13
21 W
12 W
33
23
12 W
11 L L
33
13
32 W +10
23 W
132 SPINS +10
highest bet 3
Hi ROB22,
Did another quick session playing same as you:
+3 in 66 spins. (real numbers)
Highest Bet = 3-3 (once)
Good so far. :)
A.
Okay results for 200 games played with TRIGGER REVISION. Two level plan covers the ZERO TOO.
LEVEL 1=3-3,1--11-11,1=+2,+3 or plus 29 bet 1, plus 6 bet 2 for ZERO.
LEVEL 2=10-10,1--35-35,3=+9,+11 or plus 15 bet 1, plus 12 bet 2 for ZERO.
After a DOUBLE LOSS you remain at level 2 for two games.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 193
DOUBLE LOSSES 7=NEGATIVE 210 PTS
BETTING LEVEL 1
WINS BET 1=126=+252 POINTS
WINS BET 2=49=+147 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 1=1=+29 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 2=3=+18 POINTS
BETTING LEVEL 2
WINS BET 1=7=+63 POINTS
WINS BET 2=4=+44 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 1=1=+15 POINTS
WINS ZERO BET 2=2=+24 POINTS
TOTAL WON=592 POINTS
TOTAL LOST=210 POINTS
BALANCE=382 POINTS
The value of covering ZERO proved itself as I WOULD have suffered TWO TREBLE LOSSES without doing so. I really like TWO OF A KIND with the TRIGGER.
Great results John. Covering the zeros is a must with TWO OF A KIND :thumbsup:
JohnLegend could you post the new rules for the trigger revision?
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 26, 09:33 AM 2011
Great results John. Covering the zeros is a must with TWO OF A KIND :thumbsup:
Yes Zig Zag it makes the method much stronger and accelerates profit. Those 200 games were played in 5 game sessions, 4 times a day. longest session was 124 spins, shortest 72 spins.
Hi John,
I don't mean to be the Stupido hombre in this thread but I have no clue as to what you mean with your new betting progression. Will you please give a "visual" example of it in action?
And also at what stage do you start betting on the Zero and for how much?
I hate feeling like the village idiot since this was suppose to be my creation but you have taken it to another level my friend.
Scooby Doo
Testing result using john legends trigger and two level plan
66 spins +11 5 games highest bet 11-11,1 level 1
96 spins +39 5 games highest bet 11-11,1 level 1 ( 0 win +29)
75 spins +22 10 games highest bet 11-11,1 level 1 extra 5 games played
237 spins 20 games +72 profit
Quote from: ROB22 on Mar 27, 12:35 AM 2011
Testing result using john legends trigger and two level plan
Can you explain the trigger and the two level plan please? Thanks.
The 2 level plan I used is explained in post 119 by john legend.
wait for a loss which is the trigger then bet once and wait again for trigger
This is another progression idea for TWO OF A KIND - it's very different to the existing stake plans.
Always incrementing after a loss by 0.5u
However, on a win the unit progression is reduced to the absolute minimum necessary to equal the previous high when close to a full recovery (the minimum being 1-1) so as to curtail rising stakes - otherwise despite any win achieved the stakes continue to rise by 0.5u...
If there are more W than L with "2ofaK" then this might work satisfactorily (warning: will take longer though)
This is how it handles an example 28 game w/l betting string of:
L-L-L-w-w-w-L-w-w-w-L-w-L-w-w-L-L-L-L-w-w-w-w-w-L-w-w-w
[reveal]
[table=,]
=BET==,=W/L=,
1-1, L, -2
1.5-1.5, L, -5
2-2, L, -9
2.5-2.5, W, -6.5
3-3, W, -3.5
3.5-3.5, W, +0* EQUAL HIGH restart
1-1, L, -2
1.5-1.5, W, -0.5
2-2, W, +1.5* NEW HIGH restart
1-1, W, +2.5* NEW HIGH restart
1-1, L, +0.5
1.5-1.5, W, +2 (reduce to 1-1 as only 0.5u behind previous high)
1-1, L, +0
1.5-1.5, W, +1.5 (reduce to 1-1 as only 1u behind previous high)
1-1, W, +2.5* EQUAL HIGH restart
1-1, L, +0.5
1.5-1.5, L, -3.5
2-2, L, -7.5
2.5-2.5, L, -12.5
3-3, W, -9.5
3.5-3.5, W, -6
4-4, W, -2
4.5-4.5, W, +2.5* EQUAL HIGH restart
1-1, W, +3.5 *NEW HIGH restart
1-1, L, +1.5
1.5-1.5, W, +3 (reduce to 1-1 as only 0.5u behind previous high)
1-1, W, +4* NEW HIGH restart
1-1, W, +5* NEW HIGH restart
[/table]
[/reveal]
Would probably be even better with the TRIGGER L - but take very much longer!
Also could be used on other double dozen systems e.g.: MATRIX.
A.
Using my above progression and also now starting with a new lower base bet of 0.5-0.5, I have played 3 sessions (30 mins duration) on slingshot roulette (real money) and been successful each time. My highest bet placed was 1.5-1.5
+4
+4
+6
Because I use different progression I play the original way without the trigger L to get more bet opportunities and I also do not bet the 0. Haven't had any major problems so far and will continue. Feeling comfortable and optimistic at this level for the time being. :)
The system is good.
A.
Great twist to the staking, A
Deserves some serious testing
BW
Will someone suggest the best possible trigger and progression? This can best be done by author himself.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 28, 02:37 PM 2011
Great twist to the staking, A
Deserves some serious testing
BW
Hi BW,
Played 2 more 30min sessions today (real money) and won both.
+6u
+8u
so I am now +28u overall - not bad for 5 half-hour sessions over just 2 days.
Using the "twist" as you refer to it and the "Grab a few and get out" policy :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 29, 02:01 PM 2011
Hi BW,
Played 2 more 30min sessions today (real money) and won both.
+6u
+8u
so I am now +28u overall - not bad for 5 half-hour sessions over just 2 days.
Using the "twist" as you refer to it and the "Grab a few and get out" policy :)
A.
A, I would like to make a small suggestion. If, and it may never come up with this bet selection, but if, and I'm not implying that there's anything wrong with your progression exactly the way it is, but if, (just having a little fun with ya'). If you happen to get into trouble by having a few more losses vs wins than normal and your bet size starts getting too high for your bank roll, you can play this little tweak.
Write out a chart as if you were to lose say 20 times in a row. Now if you are having trouble with your bets creeping higher because you wins aren't keeping up with your losses, your losses should be moving in waves. In other words you win a couple and lose a couple, then win a couple and lose a couple. Problem is that your waves just aren't getting back to even or better and your bet size keeps getting larger and larger.
What to do is, when you find yourself at a fairly low point, look at you chart and see what you were betting when you were at that exact point on your way down into the hole. Now adjust your bet size to reflect what you were betting on your way down and if you happen to hit another bad losing streak, you won't be losing on such large bets.
The idea is that if you were at say -12 when betting 2 & 2 while losing and we find ourselves at -12 betting 15 &15, we should be able to go back to 2&2 and act as if our bets had never gone over 2&2.
With this method you can weather some very nasty loss vs win ratios without busting. Unfortunately, there's the bad side, if you hadn't adjusted the bet size to the smaller amount, and you had a few more wins instead of losses, you would have pulled out to even or better and been able to reset to 1 unit on each dozen.
It's just a safety brake idea, because I have had a couple of sessions on a similar method that my loss count was just high enough that I kept going deeper and deeper into a hole. There were times when I was almost back to even and then a couple of losses at large bets and I was sweating it again.
I played the series from hell both ways and went from a low point of -215 to a low point of -40. Since I can't bet half units, my progression started with 1 and incremented by 1 for each step.
Just a thought.
Cheers,
George
Hi George,
Quote
The idea is that if you were at say -12 when betting 2 & 2 while losing and we find ourselves at -12 betting 15 &15, we should be able to go back to 2&2 and act as if our bets had never gone over 2&2.
With this method you can weather some very nasty loss vs win ratios without busting. It's just a safety brake idea, because I have had a couple of sessions on a similar method that my loss count was just high enough that I kept going deeper and deeper into a hole. There were times when I was almost back to even and then a couple of losses at large bets and I was sweating it again.
Sounds like good sensible advice to me. I do understand what you mean and I will be keeping a sharp eye for this type of scenario to occur (I'm waiting and wondering if or when it will happen) Hopefully it can be dealt with in similar fashion as you have outlined to curb large drawdowns and losses.
My latest 30min session tonight was another winner +6u and highest bet 2-2
A.
Fellow forum members, I would like to insert an adaptation of Lanky's 6 point divisor method he posted for double dozen bets.
I think this form of betting is always worth considering with any system.
He started with 6/6.
Anytime our target is 6 or less, we start over.
When we lose we add both lost bets to our target.
When we win we subtract the amount won from our target.
When we lose 2 times in a row, we increase our divisor by 1.
When we win we decrease our divisor by 1.
Lanky began with noting whether he won or lost (W or L) and he listed the divisor first and the target second, thus divisor=6 target=12 looks like this 6/12.
Let's get started with a short session just to remind you of the basics of the system.
L-6/6=1x1=6+2=8
L-6/8=2x2=8+4=12 divisor up to 7
W-7/12=2x2=12-2=10 div down to 6
W-6/10=2x2=10-2=8 div down to 5
W-5/8=2x2=8-2=6 =Even = Start again
W-6/6-1x1 Won ={+1}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+1={+2}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+2={+3}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+3={+4}
L-6/6=1x1=6+2=8
W-6/8=2x2=8-2=Even and Start again.
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+4={+5}
L-6/6=1x1=6-2=8
W-6/8=2x2=8-2=Even and start again
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+5={+6}
W-6/6=1x1 Won=1+6={+7}
L-6/6=1x1=6+2=8
L-6/8=2x2=8+4=12 Div up to 7
L-7/12=2x2=12+4=16
L-7/16=3x3=16+6=22 Div up to 8
L-8/22=3x3=22+6=28
W-8/28=4x4=28-4=24 Div down to 7
W-7/24=4x4=24-4=20 div down to 6
L-6/20=4x4=20+8=28
W-6/28=5x5=28-5=23 div down to 5
W-5/23=5x5=23-5=18 Div down to 4
W-4/18=5x5=18-5=13 div down to 3
W-3/13=5x5=13-5=8 div down to 2
2/8
Whenever we get a divisor of 2 we add the safety brake of 6/6
Safety brake=2/8+6/6=8/14=2x2 (win target is now 12 so anytime we get to 12 or less we start over). You could have chosen not to apply the safety brake since you were only 1 win from a reset point and your bet of 4x4 was not too high. But generally speaking at a divisor of 2 you should consider applying a safety brake.
Now if You have reached the stage of 6/72=12x12 then Your Method has had a really Bad Run especially if You have started with 6/6=1x1.
Now You can do a Couple of things here at 6/72=12x12
If it was Me I would cut the target in half. 6/36=6x6 and play two sessions starting at this level.
Or you can add a safety brake like this.
6/72 + a 6/6 safety brake = 12/78 = 7x7 and 12 is the new target to reach.
Nothing is perfect, but this bet method is head and shoulders above most others I know.
Good Luck with whichever bet method you choose.
George
With this strike rate, perhaps a plus coup (up as you win) would work well.