This is something that I have been toying around with for a little bit. So far the results have been very good. Obviously I am not good at naming my method lol. I am posting this here for other members to test and see if it fits their playing style. So without further ado, I present to you 8 is great.
This is to be used on the American 00 wheel. I have not tested it on the 0 wheel. So all my test results are for the 00 wheel.
Triggers:
1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
When one of these numbers shows, bet the 8 number group for 4 spins. If there is no hit in the 4 spins let the wheel spin to get a new trigger. If it the trigger is the same as the group we were just betting then let the wheel spin again and get a new trigger. You continue the progression on the next trigger if there was no hit. I am not sure this is the best progression to use, but it has served me well so far. If anyone has any ideas on how to improve the progression please chime in.
This is the progression: 1-1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-6-8-10
Short Example:
30- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
30- W +28
34- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
31- L
34-W +20 RUNNING TOTAL = +48
13- same group wait until next spin
10- bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
9 - W +28 RUNNING TOTAL = +76
10- same group wait until next spin
21- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
11- L
6 - W +20 RUNNING TOTAL = +96
5 - same group wait until next spin
11- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
33- L
0 - L
1 - L
34- L wait for next spin for new trigger
21- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
15- L
29- L
15- L
32- L wait for next spin for new trigger
32-
29- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
8 - W +20 RUNNING TOTAL = +116
12- same group wait for next trigger
8
15- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
29- L
2 - L
25- L
3 - L wait for next trigger
21- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
23- W +24 RUNNING TOTAL = +140
If you have any questions ask, and I will explain. Every test I have done so far has been amazing. I have yet to lose the progression in 12 sessions tested. I am thinking that the WIN target should be +100 and if the progression is lost that is -352.
I am open to suggestions. And all my testing has been done by hand up to this point. Hope to see some more positive tests from fellow members. :thumbsup:
Another test....
17- nb
0 - nb
8 - bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
25- L
22- L
2 - L
30- W +4
30- nb
20- nb
33- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
7 - L
7 - L
35- W +12 running total = +16
24- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
25- L
00- L
17- L
17- L
20- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
27- L
11- W +8 running total = +24
1 - bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
25- W +28 running total = +52
13- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
24- L
6 - L
5 - L
14- W +4 running total = +56
8 - bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
25- L
30- W + 20 running total = +76
30- nb
3 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
32- L
10- L
23- W + 12 running total = +88
24- nb
0 - nb
5 - nb
34- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
33- W + 28 running total = +116
31- nb
16- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
7 - L
8 - L
14- W +12
22- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
31- L
20- L
5 - W + 12 running total = +24
4 - nb
21- nb
32- nb
13- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
32- L
1 - L
16- W +12 running total = +36
33- nb
3 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
15- L
3 - W + 20 running total = +56
3 - nb
26- bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
2 - W + 28 running total = +84
22- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
2 - L
24- W +20 running total = +104
4 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
14- L
4 - W +20
26- bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
7 - L
29- L
7 - L
29- L
6 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
5 - W + 24 running total = +44
18- nb
36- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
30- L
1 - L
20- L
16- W +4 running total = +48
2 - bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
20- L
30- L
30- L
31- L
7 - bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
36- L
20- W +8 running total = +56
9 - bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
35- L
1 - W +20 running total = + 68
6 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
5 - W +28 running total = +96
11- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
8 - W +28 running total = +124
4 Sessions
133 Total Spins
484 Units Profit
More tests to follow
Session 5....
20- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
12- W + 28
33- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
00- L
36- W + 20 running total = +48
0 - nb
18- nb
29- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
30- W +28 running total = +76
13- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
16- W + 28 running total = +104
7 - bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
0 - L
0 - L
17- L
33- L
0 - nb
28- bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
7 - L
27- W +8 running total = +112
Playing on-line against real live spins Big EZ? :question:
Session 6
5 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
20- L
15- L
5 - W +12
00- nb
33- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
36- W +28 running total = +40
23- bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
24- W + 28 running total = +68
22- nb
31- nb
25- bet 1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
18- L
32- L
10- W +12 running total = + 80
00- nb
25- nb
4 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
13- L
7 - L
18- L
0 - L
00- nb
13- bet 13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
25- L
16- W +8 running total = +88
17- nb
15- nb
30- bet 7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
25- L
25- L
34- L
5 - L
3 - bet 3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
19- L
26- L
21- W +20 running total = +108
Chris...
These are real spins from my files that I have from one of many local casinos that I go to :thumbsup:
pretty cool so far---good luck
Quote from: Big EZ on Mar 26, 08:47 AM 2011
4 Sessions
133 Total Spins
484 Units Profit
More tests to follow
BigEZ,
Wow! Great post. :thumbsup:
I was going to ask how you picked the groups but I see that you picked them wheel based, which is always good, and opposite sections which gives you a shot on either side . Good reasoning. :thumbsup:
Here's my analysis. Your results are excellent, especially on a double zero wheel. I understand that limitation all too well. We US based players are handicapped with that.
Your progression is a martingale progression which means that it will win a lot of relatively small wins and every now and then it will have a large loss.
The hope with this system is that, as your tests have shown, you can get ahead of the 352 unit loss, preferrably by at least 2 losses.
The big question is,"Can this system win more than it loses over the long haul?" We cannot determine that by testing by hand. A computer program may be able to determine if it will win over a million spins, but so far I don't know of a system that passes that test.
In my humble opinion, all testing does is show us if our system creates a good win vs loss ratio to at least give us a chance to get ahead and maybe not give all our wins back when the losses come.
You cannot test this or any system enough to say for sure that it will win for the rest of your life, or even for the rest of this week.
Almost all these systems win if the spins stay within the 1st standard deviation. The problem is that spins always go to level 2 and even level 3 and no system that I know of will hold up to a 3rd level deviation.
I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just stating what I've learned by experience over the last few years while I've been trying to understand this great game.
Having said all that, I will do a few tests to see how playing it feels to me.
I know that's not too scientific, but I have found that if a system doesn't feel good to me, I can't win with it.
I need to sit down feeling that I'm probably going to win with the way I'm playing or I usually lose.
Thanks again for the system. :thumbsup:
George
George,
Thanks for checking in.
The whole point of posting this up is to hopefully get more people to test it to see if it will work over the long haul. As I am only testing by hand and only when I have free time. So far so good though.
I am well ahead of the 352 unit loss if the whole 12 step progression is lost. Even right here on the testing I did on the forum it is ahead of the 352 unit loss.
My main goal is to see if anyone can tweak the progression to make it a little safer for when the inevitable loss comes.
Looking forward to seeing your testing results. I know you are the king of finding the hell sessions :P
Hi Big EZ
Like your stats so far, well done.
For a more conservative progression, maybe try
1111
2222
3333 If lose then take the hit and start over again.
Good luck. If your results carry on like this, I may have to utilise it for a european wheel.
BW
u gotta check it on different wheels. and on random.org spins. But u can check it on German singe zero wheels as well, of course double zero results would be worse, but not extremely
worse. If it works on single zero then it will work on double zero as well.
So far these sessions that I posted are all from different wheels. THIS IS NOT TO BE TESTED ON SINGLE ZERO WHEELS, and this is also not to be tested on random.org spins. The layout is different from the 00 wheel. This should only be tested against LIVE casino spins. I will be posting more tests later on tonight.
maybe something like a
1111
2222
3333
4444
5555
progression if your up into the higher numbers like 3,4 or 5 count your chips and move back as far as needed?
Quote from: Big EZ on Mar 27, 05:57 PM 2011
So far these sessions that I posted are all from different wheels. THIS IS NOT TO BE TESTED ON SINGLE ZERO WHEELS, and this is also not to be tested on random.org spins. The layout is different from the 00 wheel. This should only be tested against LIVE casino spins. I will be posting more tests later on tonight.
u can make up similar layout for single zero and test it. The problem with US wheels is that there is too little data available, not as much as for zingle zero wheels.
Well we know arrangement at times dont mean much,i play American wheel.Instead of 8 numbers why not make it 9,eg.Track just HO,HE,LO,LE you will notice the arrangement on the wheel.Can track in block of 6,look for most hits,if none track for 6 block more,see most hits if none play furthest back can play 6 spins with a progression 1 1 2 2 3 3.Always in block of 6 .Why 6 even in roulette if maths at times ont mean much,but average 36 numbers by 9,expect 1 hit evry 4 spi,but 1 every 6 suffice.And as not to drag the progression.But if yours is working fine,why kick it :)
win big.
Quote from: Big EZ on Mar 27, 05:57 PM 2011
So far these sessions that I posted are all from different wheels. THIS IS NOT TO BE TESTED ON SINGLE ZERO WHEELS, and this is also not to be tested on random.org spins. The layout is different from the 00 wheel. This should only be tested against LIVE casino spins. I will be posting more tests later on tonight.
Very true,
An RNG doesn't have neighbour numbers or pockets, so do not test wheel based methods on random.org. Similarly, it will not work upon euro wheels which have a very different layout.
anybody trying this i kinda like it am trying to use diff money management
Tomla....
It has a good strike rate. There has only been 3 times in the 50+ sessions I tested so far where the progression goes until the end and does not catch a win. So far, well ahead in testing... I still try to think of better Money Management methods that can be applied, but have not had luck and the current progression is turning out to be the best one SO FAR.
For the next 2 days I am going to be in B&M casinos near me giving it a shot with real money. I am confident with the results so far to have a go at it. I will give everyone an update when I get back :thumbsup:
Hi EZ
I have devised my own numbers based on the single zero wheel, with similar distribution to your version.
I am going to test using stepladder progression with a slight twist, thanks to Proofreader, which I'm hoping will still maintain profits and yet be slightly safer than marty.
1112
2233
3444
5556
6677
I will test variants of moving up and down each 'step', but may just use simple up one on a lose and down 2 on a win.
Cheers and good luck with real money!
BW
A great first test, but isn't that always the way?!
+256
Heres how the win/loss and at what stage of progression
W1
W4
W3
L
W1
W1
W1
W2
L
W3
W1
W3
W3
W1
W4
L
L
W3
W4
L
Much tougher times to come, especially during clusters of LL and LLL
BW
Here's a longer test sample and it's results 'string'
W1
W4
W1
W3
W4
W2
L
W3
W1
W1
L
W2
L
L
W2
W2
W1
W3
L
W2
W2
L
L
W1
W2
W2
W1
L
L
L
L
W2
W1
L
W3
W1
+52 total...from a position of +272, the 4 losses in a row then blew away 288 of that in one fell swoop! However it did claw back profit. This is and will be a roller coaster method. I'm just thinking of ways of making it less stressful!
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 30, 06:17 PM 2011
W1
W4
W1
W3
W4
W2
L
W3
W1
W1
L
W2
L
L
W2
W2
W1
W3
L
W2
W2
L
L
W1
W2
W2
W1
L
L
L
L
W2
W1
L
W3
W1
I found a way of getting this particular session to +132 flat betting.
I saw that there is quite often a run of wins within 4 and so if you just bet until a loss, and then wait for another win before betting again...essentially to ride the streak of wins.
Obviously this is crude and early days but testing testing
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 30, 05:56 PM 2011
W1
W4
W3
L
W1
W1
W1
W2
L
W3
W1
W3
W3
W1
W4
L
L
W3
W4
L
By the way, this session, using flat betting streak method ends at +80
BW
I am back from my play in my live casinos. The trip was only booked for 2 days but I ended up extending my stay because the results I had were impressive.
Day 1: 3 sessions +315
Day 2: 3 sessions +350
Day 3: 4 sessions +420
So in a total of 10 sessions spread out over 4 days my total profits were +1085 units. Not so bad for the first shot in live casino play. It did get a little scary on 2 separate occasions when I was almost at the end of the 12 step progression but it pulled through.
After battling in live play I still think there are some tweaks that need to be made to this method in order to ensure long term profitability. Will be back later with more updates!
hey great---now you have a little casino money cushion next time you go
i played it at brick and morter casino yesterday and liked it--im going to try some testing in zumma book in about a week when on vacation---this good be good w right mm
Big Ez,
I just played this on a live 0 demo account (and was up whole time... ) , and even though you said ONLY 00, I just have 2 questions:
1.What would you recommend as starting bankroll?
2. Do you perhaps have a link for an online casino that has live 00 wheels?
Regards,
Mauricio
PS - I kinda like your system! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tomla021 on Apr 06, 01:09 PM 2011
I played it at brick and morter casino yesterday and liked it--I'm going to try some testing in zumma book in about a week when on vacation---this good be good w right mm
Tomla....
Let me know how the testing goes. The progression is working fine FOR NOW as is, but I agree that a better money management plan has to be applied.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 06, 02:08 PM 2011
Big Ez,
1.What would you recommend as starting bankroll?
2. Do you perhaps have a link for an online casino that has live 00 wheels?
Regards,
Mauricio
PS - I kinda like your system! :thumbsup:
Thanks for the kind words Mauricio.
For bankroll I dont have any solid recommendations. I would feel safer with multiple banks just in case you lose on your first attempt you still have some money to work with and try and recover. But that is just me personally. If something definitive comes up I will keep you posted.
And for a live 00 wheel I suggest betphoenix.com but there is also a thread on the board that lists all live roulette wheels, that would be a good place to look. :thumbsup:
Here's 110 spins .... check me ... not looking good.
36
24 L
13 x
2
8 L
29 L
19 L
32 L
35
33 x
33
5 L
22 x
23
32 L
13 L
35 x
25
6 L
8 L
7 L
10 x
17
6 L
11 L
36 L
5 x
36
26 L
6 L
9 L
32 L
10
36 L
30 L
18 L
14 L
13
17 L
12 L
25 L
21 L
17
23
15 L
23 x
35
2 L
10 L
5 L
11 L
25
1
20 L
22 L
18 L
3 L
33
35 X
19
5 L
19 X
32
27
21 L
28 X
36
20 L
21 L
25 L
14 X
36
9
37 L
12 L
5 L
26 X
20
26 L
31 L
5 L
1 L
19
6 L
17 L
4 L
37 L
17
36
18 L
31 L
31 L
9 L
16
13
29
30 X
4
2 L
20 L
25 L
15 L
38
19
37 L
2 L
6 L
29 X
Thanks Big Ez,
Uhm :embarrassed: I saw the topic on the online live casino's ... should have read it before I posted!
Thanks for the reply!
Gator - looks like you had a bit of a hell session there???
well bad sessions will happen lets hope not too many of them
couldn't you almost flat bet this and wait for hot rolls when you win 3 out of six or something?
played again in brick and mortar and it did well
WALLY....
Those are numbers from a RNG, I already said not to test with these
played it again at casino for an hour today--it did well as in the plus side
Tomla...
I'm happy to hear that this is working out for you. How far into the progression have you gone ?
I am still trying to come up with a better money managment plan for this even though the wins far outweigh
The losses in all the testing I have done so far
played again for an hour and a half today lost one at the end just as i had to leave--but still won a bit-
i was using 1111, 1122,2222 after a loss i was going to go 3333,3366,6666
Quote from: Big EZ on Apr 11, 11:10 PM 2011
WALLY....
Those are numbers from a RNG, I already said not to test with these
My Friend, I truly wish they were RNG, but these came straight from a B & M. Sorry.
hi BW
i like your sliding progression. it seems abolish huge loss in the event of no hits and once hit, simply restart the progression within the framwork of 4 spins.
by the way could you please post your four set of numbers adjusted to single zero wheel.
thanks
catalyst
im on american double zero wheel
Quote from: Wally Gator on Apr 13, 08:57 PM 2011
My Friend, I truly wish they were RNG, but these came straight from a B & M. Sorry.
I have never seen the numbers 37 and 38 on a real wheel in my life
Tomla...
Do you feel like that's a better money managment plan for this method? What do you use as your stop loss, and what do you set your win target for
im not sure what the best money management progression should be? im just surprised that it seems to get a lot of hits at this point......seems like sometimes you get a lot of hits in 10 spins sometimes not, so a slow progression seems ok ---anyone lose 2 ----12 spins is this?
haven't set a stop loss
Quote from: Big EZ on Apr 14, 12:10 AM 2011
I have never seen the numbers 37 and 38 on a real wheel in my life
wally gator
have you cooked your number to get 37 and 38? i have a feelings that you want to derail the members.
37 and 38 are 0 and 00 on my spreadsheet in Excel. When they transpose I've got the zero's set for 37 and 38.
In no way am I attempting to derail anyone. I hope every strategy on here makes people millions. I'm simply reporting numbers that I play. I don't play online and I don't play RNG. These are real recorded numbers from a real wheel in a real casino.
If you choose not to believe what I've reported, that's okay with me.
hi bigEZ
wally gator has got sector shivering cold - blow to spinal chord. any update from you?
thanks catalyst
i still think its interesting and have done well w it but don't have time to test for another week or so
Wally...
My apologies, but I thought seeing the numbers 37 and 38 meant that they were from a RNG. My advice to you is to keep testing. I have tested this many many times and the winning sessions far out number the losing ones, leaving a nice healthy profit.
Quote from: Big EZ on Apr 18, 02:54 PM 2011
Wally...
My apologies, but I thought seeing the numbers 37 and 38 meant that they were from a RNG. My advice to you is to keep testing. I have tested this many many times and the winning sessions far out number the losing ones, leaving a nice healthy profit.
I am happy to hear that. As I do more testing I will provide the results.
Hey buffalowizard, do you mind posting the groups/sets of numbers for a european wheel?
Thanks
Guys, Why not use a more gradual progression like this:
8
8
8
16
16
16
24
24
24
32
32
32
40
40
40
40
On a win if we're not in plus range drop back 4 steps and start back up the line until we win and are up enough.
We can tweek the line to suit our own risk tolerance.
George
Quote from: GLC on Apr 23, 11:28 AM 2011
Guys, Why not use a more gradual progression like this:
8
8
8
16
16
16
24
24
24
32
32
32
40
40
40
40
On a win if we're not in plus range drop back 4 steps and start back up the line until we win and are up enough.
We can tweek the line to suit our own risk tolerance.
George
I just ran Big EZ's numbers from Reply #1 with the above bet sequence and ended up with +150 units.
That means we can increase the bet progression to 8-8-8-8-16-16-16-16-24-24-24-24-32-32-32-32-40-40-40-40 etc...
I just ran the same numbers thru this progression and came up with +106 units. Highest bet was 16 units (2 units on 8 numbers) largest draw down was 48 units.
Just and idea. Looks to me like it works pretty well without the fear of having to bet huge bets to get even.
G
Hey George,
Can you look at the 110 spins I ran in reply #32 and let me know how you would've played it. I just don't have time to test your prog, but I like this idea ...
Thanks, Gator
played this again last night --was wunderbar
Thanks for the kind words Tomla. Are you using the original progression still, or are you using something different for the money management?
I am still on the search for the best MM plan out there for this one. I am also still testing different variations of this to see if I can cut down the bets to less then 4 numbers.
Some interesting things going on.....
playing 8 numbers
1111
1122
2222
3333
4444
dear GLC
if i want to use your progression then what bet selection you suggest? BIGEZ initial bet selection could exceed 15 steps. could i apply GR8players progression here?
dear Tomla021
is your progression sliding backward such as GLC MENTIONED ABOVE? and whats your bet selection method.
thanks
catalyst
Quote from: Wally Gator on Apr 23, 08:46 PM 2011
Hey George,
Can you look at the 110 spins I ran in reply #32 and let me know how you would've played it. I just don't have time to test your prog, but I like this idea ...
Thanks, Gator
Wally, I'm not trying to avoid your request, just a little preoccupied at the moment. That sequence looks pretty bad. Maybe no progression can win with it, just try to keep losses as low as possible.
G
Quote from: catalyst on May 12, 09:10 AM 2011
Dear GLC
if I want to use your progression then what bet selection you suggest? BIGEZ initial bet selection could exceed 15 steps. could I apply GR8players progression here?
dear Tomla021
is your progression sliding backward such as GLC MENTIONED ABOVE? and what's your bet selection method.
thanks
catalyst
Cat, I don't have a bet selection. I would just use the one BigEZ suggests.
I don't think GR8Player's progression will work with a system like this unless you just want to make a linear progression out of it such as: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-4-4-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 and slide up and down it until you are at a high point then start over.
With GR8Player's progression you would have to make 7 bets at 1 unit per number and if you are ahead, repeat. If you are behind, you would go to 2 units per number and make 7 more bets. If you are ahead, drop back to 1 unit per number. If you are still down, go to 3 units per number for 7 bets etc..........
i just slide down from say a 3 unit bet to 2 when not in the plus --no science i just look at my chip stack----the nice thing and i have no reason why --you seem to get a cluster of close wins to put you ahead at some point
Quote from: Tomla021 on May 12, 10:22 AM 2011
I just slide down from say a 3 unit bet to 2 when not in the plus --no science I just look at my chip stack----the nice thing and I have no reason why --you seem to get a cluster of close wins to put you ahead at some point
Tom, I think the way you're playing it is about as good as we can expect without having to take a lot more risk.
George I'm actually thinking of playing it slower as in 1111, 1111, 2222,2222,3333,3333 etc as from feel I think most times you will get ahead nicely,losses won't be huge.....I have some outside plays that I have to wait for and this seems to be a great way to whittle away time and usually win while waiting for my bigger bet triggers
Quote from: Wally Gator on Apr 06, 09:51 PM 2011
Here's 110 spins .... check me ... not looking good.
36
24 L
13 x
2
8 L
29 L
19 L
32 L
35
33 x
33
5 L
22 x
23
32 L
13 L
35 x
25
6 L
8 L
7 L
10 x
17
6 L
11 L
36 L
5 x
36
26 L
6 L
9 L
32 L
10
36 L
30 L
18 L
14 L
13
17 L
12 L
25 L
21 L
17
23
15 L
23 x
35
2 L
10 L
5 L
11 L
25
1
20 L
22 L
18 L
3 L
33
35 X
19
5 L
19 X
32
27
21 L
28 X
36
20 L
21 L
25 L
14 X
36
9
37 L
12 L
5 L
26 X
20
26 L
31 L
5 L
1 L
19
6 L
17 L
4 L
37 L
17
36
18 L
31 L
31 L
9 L
16
13
29
30 X
4
2 L
20 L
25 L
15 L
38
19
37 L
2 L
6 L
29 X
Wally....
I took your spins that you submitted and ran them through a tweak I have done in this method and the end total is +204 units for the entire 100 spins with a max bet of 3units per number.
I have also been replaying the sessions that I have posted in this session with the tweak and here are the results...
1: +128 2u/#
2: +108 2u/#
3: +96 1u/#
4: +98 1u/#
5: Skipped to short for the tweak version
6: +88 2u/#
So not as much profit as before, but we also get a safer progression. And it also beat Wally's spins, and before it tanked on those spins.
If anyone can PM the 00 Zuma Tester book I can do further tests. I no longer have my spin files because of a recent computer virus >:D
could i get the tweak? i play this in casinos weekly
BigEZ,
That's great. Can you share the tweak?
Thanks, Wally
I am still testing the tweak, and firming up some of the rules for it. I would still like to test some more before I share the tweak to see if it holds up.
But if anyone has 00 spins to donate to me for testing it would would appreciated. I will run through some more tests and post the results for everyone.
link:://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/double-zero-actuals/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/double-zero-actuals/)
Thanks Seykid...
I am going to start going through these tonight
Here is my session from friday LIVE WHEEL OO:
Don't like the looks of it. :-\
1. . . first number spun
5. . . L
22 L
29 L
15 L
31
31
5 *
34 L
24 W
13 *
23 L
4 L
31 L
22 L
19 *
7 W
18
5 *
23 W
30 *
10 L
32 L
10 L
7 W
00
8 *
15 L
27 L
4 L
6 L
16 *
0 L
27 L
33 W
11 *
27 L
7 W
17
00
10 *
9 W
32
11 *
26 L
5 L
9 L
19 W
25 *
30 L
29 L
14 L
5 L
29 *
20 W
31
36 *
35 W
20 *
27 L
26 L
30 W
1 *
22 L
14 L
23 L
13 L
6 *
12 L
17. L. . last number spun
CD
Clothdog...
Thanks for posting some spins for me to look at...
From the spins you posted the highest bet would be 2units per number and your 70spin sample would have generated a profit of 56 units...
I am still doing testing so any more live numbers are welcome... :twisted:
Here are 100 recent spins on a 00 wheel. 0 is 0 and 37 is 00. Hope it helps.
24
31
14
15
34
30
9
17
23
9
31
3
35
21
1
35
5
18
14
22
11
14
31
0
0
26
36
13
13
6
26
27
11
21
24
23
7
22
28
31
31
15
14
32
32
15
2
33
16
18
34
33
33
2
19
8
10
36
28
19
24
9
17
6
9
32
7
27
20
15
36
31
15
32
33
37
Here's another 100 .... real wheel, real casino.
17
1
37
20
23
34
7
18
6
16
8
21
9
33
28
12
35
6
28
35
15
28
28
10
37
0
20
33
2
35
11
2
5
12
15
2
37
7
35
11
31
30
4
19
11
21
12
3
36
16
5
28
16
28
33
31
2
31
21
15
5
15
22
4
15
1
7
9
12
7
18
11
12
27
2
1
15
30
9
12
23
8
5
24
7
20
26
24
21
31
30
21
12
13
37
27
15
18
21
And another ...
2
3
22
22
6
0
22
35
4
32
33
1
27
20
6
8
10
25
11
27
27
32
15
26
33
3
7
7
4
7
4
8
10
36
5
1
0
21
22
10
12
13
10
25
24
2
31
1
24
0
5
33
7
24
0
34
16
33
6
13
0
24
17
14
15
36
16
17
4
9
8
28
17
8
21
19
24
0
19
36
18
35
5
16
29
6
15
11
33
8
12
21
16
26
15
24
27
34
Wally...
Thanks for posting up some real spin data for me to look over :thumbsup: Here are the results from the 3 sessions you have posted.
1st session, not good, would have hit the stop limit by spin 48, but I continued to play the session and the highest bet was 4u/# and it did eventually climb back into profit the last few spins
2nd session +282 highest bet 3u/#
3rd session +264 highest bet 2u/#....this session was fairly easy, it was up +412 units at one point in the session
If you have larger spin files that you are willing to send to me for testing please PM me.
Thanks!!
Hi BigEZ,
Attached is an excel spreadsheet with 6,000 real spins over the last few months or so. Each row equates to a session I did at that time. Most are 100 spins and a few at the end are about 500 or 600 straight spins.
Hope it helps.
Best, Wally
Thanks for posting those spins. I am going to try and run through themm by the weekend.
Good luck ...
Hi Big EZ,
how was the testing?
CU
Sakura616
Quote from: Big EZ on Mar 25, 07:56 PM 2011
This is to be used on the American 00 wheel. I have not tested it on the 0 wheel. So all my test results are for the 00 wheel.
Triggers:
1-2-9-10-25-26-27-28
3-4-5-6-21-22-23-24
7-8-11-12-19-20-29-30
13-14-15-16-33-34-35-36
When one of these numbers shows, bet the 8 number group for 4 spins. If there is no hit in the 4 spins let the wheel spin to get a new trigger. If it the trigger is the same as the group we were just betting then let the wheel spin again and get a new trigger. You continue the progression on the next trigger if there was no hit. I am not sure this is the best progression to use, but it has served me well so far. If anyone has any ideas on how to improve the progression please chime in.
This is the progression: 1-1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-6-8-10
The corresponding groups for European Wheel (same wheel places) are:
10-26-15-24-16-19-5-32
11-28-6-22-18-27-12-30
2-20-21-1-14-25-4-33
3-23-36-7-29-13-35-8
(Not used: 9-31-17-34)
Guys,
I brought this back to life last month....
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16013.msg139203#msg139203 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16013.msg139203#msg139203)
Jim