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Hi All
I would never help anyone to sell anything. Everyone here knows that I have my own system. I gave that away for free right here. The reason I gave it away for free is I play the big games that pay better. The ones I play now some pay 42,000.00 to 1 and other games that are lower at 5,000.00 to 1.
I only talked to Donny to talk to my friend Nick that bought one of my system years ago. He was a good friend and I lost contact with him. I have the only system that works on all betting games. Donny knows that. In fact he sold the system that I had to people and it seems that he sold out what I had and is looking for new meat with this junk. The system that he sold is right here for free. I guess when I posted it here he couldn’t sell mine anymore.
Anyhow I’m not his friend or do I support his sales at all.
Good luck my friends
The iceman1313

Hey Tino, I'll try to explain as best as I can

the first column is just the result (red or black)

the second column is a "virtual" record of how your bankroll would look if you were playing follow the last. You don't really play this, just keep track of it

the third column is our "real bankroll" if this gets to +4 or -8 we stop.

Ok now how to bet, you play every other bet, I.e bet then miss the next spin then bet again.

You look at the second column and bet for the back and forth motion I.e

r   0   
r   1   
r   2  <-- At this point you would bet that the second column would go back to 1, so bet black
b   1 <-- Win +1
r   0 <--- At this point you would bet that the second column would go back to 1 again, so bet red 
r   1 <--- Win +2

Your record would then look like this

r   0   
r   1   
r   2   
b   1   1
r   0   
r   1   2

Hope that helps

cheers

Kompressor,
No worries! Whether I'm his grandson or not it doesn't matter.   
Your post is outright wrong and that's why I'm telling you are not correct.
Don't get me wrong, I'm don't come here to prove who's right or wrong.
I just post the facts.
With this method, after some 3000 shoes simulation, you still come out ahead
and if I were to average out, each shoe you probably making around 100dollars in each shoes.
Let's not forget, on a bad run, you could end up say 8 to 10 consecutive losing days before any wins is recorded.  Well, one can certainly raise his bet unit I. e.  to say 500 a unit and have a higher winning.  The question here, can he or she withstand the 10 days losing session when shit happens.
Anyway, my test was based on continuous testing and this may not reflect the true simulation on actual play in the casino.  In real life, you dont play 3000 shoes one after another!
So, as far as my testing goes, I can only share with you up to this point.  In order to do a real simulation as close as casino play, I will have to write a program to pick random shoes but I just don't have the time yet!

I tested this system some last time it was here. Then it was winwithmath guy who claimed it was the best system out there. Well, I won a whole lot more than I lost with this system, altough I didn't tested it alot.

Just curious. Why should this be better than any other system?

Bring on the math  8)

Quote from: jon86 on Apr 13, 04:28 AM 2011
I don't get this ?

Cheers

Jon

You bet that the results in second column (those are virtual results which we get if we bet same as last result )  will go up and down considering last two spins. So if virtual results in 2 last  spins go down (from 2 to 1) you bet that next virtual result will go up (from 1 to 2), means you bet same as last result was. But if virtual results in 2 last spins go up (from 2 to 3) you bet that next  virtual results will go down (from 3 to 2), means you bet against last result.

And you always bet every second spin!

Hi Flipper
Betting every spin is not the same my friend. I will try and explain this the best that I can.
If you bet on every spin then you are betting to win every time. But when you skip a spin you are betting to go back at were you were before meaning you are now betting to win at times and to lose some of the times.
Albert Einstein when he did the 5,000 coin toss of heads and tails. Mr. Einstein only looked at which one was ahead at the end heads or tails. Here is where I come in. I kept looking at results of all the even games at the tables at the casinos, thousands of results. Some days I study all the tables and wrote the real results down. The results were the same as Mr. Einstein or near the same results that he has done.
I just couldn’t find the answer I would study the results for hours at a time. Then it hit me oh my the reason it was so close the betting was going back and forth .Now I had to invent a way to bet that way.
I notice if I bet every other spin to go back to were it was by skipping a turn I would be betting to win at times and to lose at times. Here is were I can beat the odds because at times I would suppose to lose I would have a bet on to lose meaning it would go back to were it was a few spins ago.
The only thing Mr. Albert Einstein did wrong was a looks at the results at the end o the heads and tails .But what I did I had look at why it was so even at the end. The coin flip was going back and forth to say close so I invented how to bet the back and forth. The good thing here NO GUESSING AND IT’s ALL FLAT BETTING.
There are streaks of red and back but when you skip a spin it cuts down those losses also .You stop at -8 in losses and stop when you win +4  .You will have many more wins then you loss. Now isn’t that what people want to win everyday for a pay check. The bad thing about it you only win a few thousands a day. But still not to bad. To me it’s a waste of my time. But please enjoy your new found pay check. The only thing I ask is please help some people with some of the money won .Someone that needs help. It’s better helping a person in need then winning the money you can believe that my friends.

To all have a great day to you and your family.

The Iceman1313    or what ever nice name you wish to call me.

127 spins, +4.  You need time to play this  ???

[reveal]
r      
r   1   
r   2   
b   1   1
r   0   
b   -1   0
b   0   
r   -1   1
r   0   
r   1   0
b   0   
r   -1   -1
b   -2   
b   -1   0
r   -2   
r   -1   1
b   -2   
b   -1   2
r   -2   
b   -3   1
r   -4   
r   -3   2
b   -4   
r   -5   1
r   -4   
b   -5   2
r   -6   
b   -7   1
r   -8   
r   -7   2
b   -8   
r   -9   1
b   -10   
b   -9   
r   -10   0
r   -9   
r   -8   -1
r   -7   
b   -8   0
r   -9   
b   -10   -1
b   -9   
b   -8   -2
b   -7   
b   -6   -3
r   -7   
r   -6   -2
b   -7   
r   -8   -3
r   -7   
r   -6   -4
r   -5   
b   -6   -3
r   -7   
r   -6   -2
b   -7   
b   -6   -1
b   -5   
r   -6   0
r   -5   
r   -4   -1
b   -5   
r   -6   -2
b   -7   
b   -6   -1
b   -5   
b   -4   -2
r   -5   
r   -4   -1
b   -5   
r   -6   -2
b   -7   
b   -6   -1
r   -7   
b   -8   -2
b   -7   
r   -8   -1
r   -7   
b   -8   0
b   -7   
b   -6   -1
b   -5   
b   -4   -2
b   -3   
b   -2   -3
r   -3   
r   -2   -4
b   -3   
r   -4   -5
r   -3   
b   -4   -4
b   -3   
r   -4   -3
r   -3   
r   -2   -4
r   -1   
b   -2   -3
r   -3   
r   -2   -2
r   -1   
r   0   -3
b   -1   
b   0   -2
r   -1   
b   -2   -3
r   -3   
r   -2   -2
r   -1   
b   -2   -1
r   -3   
r   -2   0
r   -1   
b   -2   1
r   -3   
b   -4   0
r   -5   
b   -6   -1
b   -5   
r   -6   0
r   -5   
b   -6   1
r   -7   
r   -6   2
b   -7   
b   -6   3
b   -5   
r   -6   4
[/reveal]

Hi Everyone
No Way that isn’t Dimensions Please Please,
Here is what I mean.
B
B   1
R   0
R   1   +   1
B   0
B   1      + 2    
B   2
B    3    +   1       +  1
R    2    
B    1      + 0
R    0
R    1      + 1          +2

HERE ARE 3 Dimensions

The iceman1313

Hi atlantis
They are not Random numbers my friend never was .Once you understand that you will start to see that people are living in the Stone Age still.

Random Numbers are only following the Dimensions. Each Dimension will dictate to each other what will come out next. It must obey the Laws of math.

The iceman1313

Hi everyone.
Every gambling event has Memory.  I will try and explain the best way I can.
Let’s take lotto first .Those balls that air knocks them around you say to your self, how can I pick the right numbers out to win. Let’s say you would be able to pick the balls out by hand. It would be the same results as if the air machine has done it .This happens because both ways has to do only one thing it MUST obey the Laws of math. All things must abide by the Laws of Math.
Let’s take it to another step. You are playing cards someone got 4 aces .Next hand he may get another 4 aces. But it’s because so many times has past that only 1 hand got 4 aces and now it time to get that second pair of aces the very next hand. The probability of the 2 hands one right after another exist after the first one that came out has fulfilled the Laws of Math.

The same thing in these games they also have Memory Dice, Roulette, Horse, Lotto.
Here another way to look at it. The real reason why you don’t see say the number say 35 won’t come out 20 times in a row it’s because the wheel has a Memory. It knows something that you even don’t know it HAS to follow the Laws of Math. So it looks like the wheel is smarter then some.
Here is another look Say the lotto machine had cards instead of balls to pick from .Same results my friends it still has to follow the Laws of Math. You won’t see 4 aces come out then come out the next day. BUT it will happen at times because when all the Laws were abided and the Dimensions take affect when enough one day of the 4 aces then and only then they will come out one day and also the next day.
Anyhow you wanted to know why Random Numbers are not Random. Most people that have winning ways already know this. So far I only know one person in this world then me that knows Random is not Random. That person beat Keno.

The iceman1313

You know...
All the bots I use.
All of them use memory.
As in, they calculate how many times something has not turned up.
Sometimes, I think number memory is a misnomer.
Since each event or each number that appears.
Appears in the here and now.
So that means. That each number is as individual as a snow flake.
They may not have any relation to the previous number.
Or previous 100 or even 1000 numbers.
This is probably why RNG has never been able to be cracked.
Even live wheels can be difficult at times.

Yet we prevail.
And keep on trying.

Probably why roulette is so fascinating.

vundaro

The Laws of Math
A lower Math can't beat a higher Math.Meaning there can't be more of two of a kind then 3 of a kind That is the main thought behind even the slot machines. It pays more when you get three of a kind then two of a kind. Same thing in Random Numbers . Two of a kind must come out twice before three of a kind will come out . Then up the chain four of a kind can't come out before two three comes out . There is a chain of command it's called the Laws of Math.

The Iceman1313

Hi ThomasGrant

I hate to say this but EVERYTHING has to submit to all the Laws of Math even RNG .All numbers that come is link with the pass numbers that is in conjunction with all the Laws of Math.

The iceman1313

Hi Max

That is right you would have won the bet if you would bet it would go to - 1.

Nice work my friend. Also you didn't have no guessing to do also you also won on a losing bet because you would have lost but you didn't lose because you made a bet it would lose in fact.

The casinos can't win if you at times bet to lose. Also the good thing is all this is only flat betting.

There are a few more rules to help everyone I will get them ready to post later.

The iceman1313

Quote from: iceman1313 on Apr 15, 01:37 PM 2011
Hi Everyone
No Way that isn’t Dimensions Please Please,
Here is what I mean.
B
B   1
R   0
R   1   +   1
B   0
B   1      + 2    
B   2
B    3    +   1       +  1
R    2    
B    1      + 0
R    0
R    1      + 1          +2

HERE ARE 3 Dimensions

The iceman1313

So this is 3rd dimension?

Hi there folks, I messed around with this last night some.
Maybe one of you can get some ideas from this.
I'm using 3 "dimensions" as you can see. Every dimension relies on the column to the left of it.
There are many ways to play this, betting in different outcomes and different dimensions..

The first column is just "follow the last".

How many LLL do you see?  ;)

[reveal]0               
1               
0               
1   1            
2               
1   2            
0               
z   1            
1               
2   0            
1               
0   -1            
1               
0   0   1         
1               
2   -1   2         
3               
2   0   3   -1      wwl
3               
2   -1   4   -2      lwl
3               
2   0   5   -3      wwl
1               
2   1   4   -2      wlw
1               
2   2   3   -3      wll
3               
2   3   2   -4      wll
1               
0   2   3   -3      lww
1               
2   1   2   -2      llw
1               
2   2   3   -1      :
3               
4   1   4   -2      lwl
5               
6   0   3   -1      llw
7               
6   1   4   0      :
7               
8   0   5   -1      lwl
7               
8   1   6   -2      wwl
7               
6   0   7   -3      lwl
5               
6   1   8   -4      wwl
7               
6   2   7   -3      wlw
5               
6   3   6   -4      wll
5               
6   4   5   -5      wll
zero               
5               
4   3   6   -4      :
5               
4   4   7   -5      wwl
3               
4   5   6   -4      wlw
5               
zero               
6   4   7   -3      lww
7               
6   5   8   -4      wwl
5               
6   6   7   -3      wlw
5               
6   7   6   -4      wll
5               
6   8   5   -5      wll
5               
4   7   6   -4      lww
5               
4   8   7   -5      wwl
3               
2   7   8   -6      lwl
zero               
3               
4   6   7   -5      llw
[/reveal]

Hi everyone
Here are the rest of the Rules
Always stop at + 4.
Always stop at -8 Never ever go past â€ââ,¬Å" 8.
Once you win + 4 stop take a rest .Never continue on the same wheel, move on. If you do want to stay wait into you are â€ââ,¬Å" 4 but only watching not betting. Then jump in.
When you are in the Minus area right away don’t be a fool trying to get to +4 if you where to and you where -2 right from the start that would mean that you really would be trying to get to + 6 because. THAT DOESN’T HAPPPEN because the back and forth is to high to get to + 4 if you are already in the Minus area of -2.
What I do as soon as I get even I run as fast as I can seeing myself in the Minus So when I’m 0 Bye.
If you want here is the ratio when you first start off.
-1 go to +2
-1 go to +1
There is a little of safe ground here I made for you.
When you are minus say -6 and it is going back and forth twice if it goes back to -4 take the lost no big deal. Or any time you go back 2 units when in the Minus Area.

People hear this and NEVER EVER forget this. You will lose at times but you will win many, many more times then you lose.


The iceman1313

Hi Flipper
Please  people Don't post so many numbers Post no more then w2 thank you The reason it takes me to long to fix your Mistakes .
Flipper you did it Wrong my friend . I copy and did it right for you . I don't know what the Z is Anyhow You won + 4 units.

Remember people there will be times you lose a Session but at the end of the day you will win Much more my friends. A pay check is a pay check.No guessing and only flay betting At all times.

The iceman1313



0
1
0  +1
1
2  +0
1 
0  -1     -1
Z 
1  -2
2
1  -1     +0   
0
1  -0
0
1  +1    -1
2
3  +0
2
3 +1    +0
2
3    +2
2
1  +1    +1

2
1    +2
2
3   +1   +2
2   
1  +0
0
1  + 1   +3
2
1   +2
2
3   +1    +4

Hi flipper
Thanks for telling me about the Z was a 0
The right way to play is you don't mark the 0 dowm
Sample

Wrong way
R
R
B
0   the zerro
B
R


Thev right way.
R
R
B
B
R
When keep track Don't right the ) down . But if it hit while in play make make sure you take the unit off maybe even to go to a + 3 if you wish.


The iceman1313

Hi Max

What ever Dimension you use you must stay with it. Because if you jump off it it might turn good.and the one you go to if good may turn bad .Remember this is a back and forth play if you jump in on the good because it was good while you was watching it then it should turn bad. Same as if you didn't jump if a dimension was going bad it will most likely turn good.

The iceman1313

Quote from: iceman1313 on Apr 16, 03:17 AM 2011
Hi ThomasGrant

I hate to say this but EVERYTHING has to submit to all the Laws of Math even RNG .All numbers that come is link with the pass numbers that is in conjunction with all the Laws of Math.

The iceman1313

Ok...
I suppose then that you may have heard of MIT.
The famous university in the USA.
Now, the students that go there.
Are among the brightest in the land.
The do things with math that are out of this world.
Quantum fluctuations, Quarks, String theory, Relative Dynamic interaction.
Now if these people that use Algebra, and other advanced maths.
If these people can't beat RNG. Then how can your maths?

As I may have mentioned.
Bot the bots I use. Are all maths based.
Not saying maths isn't a good tool to use.
Just trying to see what kind of maths you talking about.

Hi GlC
Statement made by GLC
(So intelligent that you can't think simple enough for us to understand you.  It's like trying to communicate with a Martian. )
I have that same problem with my programmer and set up man...I have to keep going over and over things and I can’t understand why they don’t understand. I think it’s because I have known every needed in Math for a long time meaning Transparent Math they should understand it. I invented this almost 40 years ago so it is so simple for me to understand everything I need to know.
No I think I’m not more intelligent then anyone here but other people say different that I am very Intelligent... One person few over from oversea just to meet me. He thought it would be an honor .I thought it was an honor for him to do this. His brother is my programmer now and I believe he is the best in the world bar done.
I believe it was pure hard work. Every dead end I came across I fix the problem. I gave allot here away, let now the system I taught here speak for itself. Does it really work yes? Can you make money yes  I even helped with opening your minds showing new ways never before seen .What I taught here aren’t in any books and never will be at least by me.
Will I go down in making World History no, but people will search my name and work some day and find I was the first to discover Transparent Math. .I will post some of other people posts on what they think
I have two systems one I don’t use back results meaning table games I only use two back .The other system to beat ALL events I use millions of pass results. So you know the differences .
Here are a few Post that some posted on me.

At that time I called it Hidden Math . But people use that name already so I re-name my work Transparent Math.



Here is some proof that people all over the world agree that I have something that is real enjoy the read.This will put the stops on those that say I have nothing. So enjoy my friends.

To all here if you don't understand something please ask and I will go over it with you .All here should know that my system is in the test area so check it out there.

Here is a post that was made by someone

The picture represents the hole where all the old and tired roulette methods and systems have to go. I can tell everyone on this forum that James's discovery will change the way everybody (well, almost everybody) thinks towards games of chance. It is the future, it is called HIDDEN MATH. It will save countless poor souls from searching the internet and only finding prehistoric betting methods that the authors even admit don't work in the long run, how can these guys sleep at night knowing that people are losing money they can probably ill afford to lose by following something that the author himself knows can never hold up. Yet they try to discredit everyone else out of false pride for their own work. Some people have been digging themselves in a hole for years and are pushing others in as well, it is about time the real thinkers of the 21st century are allowed to show what they have rather than listening to the know-all teachers who dress up everything that was never any good and never will be any good.


Here is another post that someone made

Hidden Math is what the name describes, it throws away all the misconceptions and old ideas that we have spent years looking at. Previous spins are completely irrelevant and should not be even considered. Progressions are a slippery slope down the "devil's staircase". You have to think in terms of the session as a whole. James was right when he said this leads to a few higher dimensions and he is playing on a completely different level to anything that has been mentioned not only here but in any books, and that includes authors who I would consider very knowledgeable on the subject of gambling. It is better than card counting, better than V.B. and I think many would even swap their roulette computers for it. What I am saying is that it is both original and unique. James must take a lot of satisfaction from what he has achieved here. I don't say any of this lightly and it has inspired my thinking and creativity towards roulette again that was sadly missing for a little while.

Another post someone made about me
Hello James, thank you. I thought that I sometimes looked out of the box. It looks like you have circumnavigated it. It opens up a whole new train of thought. If I am been honest with you, I would have never arrived at any of it. Maybe 1 step at most. You will never hear me mention Hamburg again, lol. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. All I can say to anybody else is to listen carefully and let it sink in without pre-judging anything. I am more stubborn than most but have to admit defeat when the truth is staring me in the face.
It is CHECKMATE indeed for hamburg, progressions and systems based on previous spins when compared with HIDDEN MATH. It's just a shame it was so well hidden, maybe I should have went to school more, lol. No, can't take anything away from you James. You are a proper gent and a good friend.
@Snowman, this is no joke. I will tell you how serious it is. I have had my computer hacked over the last few day's and I am not a happy chappie, it shows how desperate some people are to find out what people are saying to each other, it's a good job I don't keep any information on my laptop for any longer than 24 hours, this is basically the only site I come to, (there's a joke in there somewhere ) Anyway like I said HIDDEN MATH is no joke and it will be talked about for years to come as the gaming discovery of the early 21st century

The iceman1313

Hi Iceman13130

The numbers Flipper  posted , if the dimensions is taken into consideration to work together I will make the following conclusion......and is  the conclusion right?

1
0  +1
1
2  +0
1
0  -1     -1
Z
1  -2
2
1  -1     +0  ( Here there is  bet for a win  to go to +0)
0
1  -0
0
1  +1    -1 ( Here there is no bet for a win of +1)
2
3  +0
2
3 +1    +0  ( Here there is  bet for a win of +1)
2
3    +2
2
1  +1    +1  ( Here there is no bet for a win of +2)

2
1    +2
2
3   +1   +2  ( Here there is no bet for a win of +2)
2   
1  +0
0
1  + 1   +3  ( Here there is  a bet for a win of +2)
2
1   +2
2
3   +1    +4  ( Here there is no bet for a win of +3)

Won =2


Regards
Max

real cool and enlightening stuff
thanks

Hi everybody
  I had talks with science professor and scientists that were working in my field to find even cures that would help in the medical field. I talked to people who are working in my area saying to keep it cool because if it’s in the same area as I’m exploring it would be very dangerous to tell people about it for fear it can be mis-used. I talked to people from a few universities around the entire world.
Why I’m saying this, this is only a Gambling forum. People out there are really interested in new ways to change the old Idea’s and want to look to new ways that will make the world a better place for all.
I have also been working on Transparent Math in the field of medicine I believe Transparent Math is the answer to all questions that never been answered. Other people also are working in this field.
I had thousands of sheets on Transparent Math that I had. All are gone now that could be mis -used by people. I had burn those sheets that took almost 40 years of inventing  . The only one I kept was in the Medicine field .
So the jokes I see  here only make the people who made them look like you should feel sorry for them. It shows who they are and what they think of themselves which isn’t much.
Here is a post I made awhile ago in what it takes to invent A new Idea.
Some people just talk and wish and never do.I've always said that's a waste of life.You have to push yourself to the limit and sometime the answer is a life time of work.

All the people on the forums think hey I'm better then anyone They use a progression to cover up their stupid stuff or I should say the Lack of heart to finish what they could have done by hard work.

No one has a system in the world that works. I know this because what is needed to have a real working system you need to see what the event is doing or going to do with no guessing involved. You guess you loss .That's A Law Of Math when the house has the odds on their side.

That's the reason I attack forums It's because I hate people that post things that never worked and never will.

People ANY progressions CAN'T Work. The Math Teachers and Professor's will tell you that if the Math doesn't work the system won't work. Progressions  can't work EVER my friends.Live with it

Flat betting is the only way to take the casino's down period.

Now I posted a system here that uses flat betting and it works. It's been tested right here and I'm ahead after 3,000 shoes.Hey wake up 3,000 shoes still ahead . How in the HEL* can the casino's can ever get their money back.Remember it's was tested doing flat betting only.

Listen to Susan Boyle sing, she sings from the heart. She is living her dream , but it took her a lifetime. The movie Men of  Honor, It fills you with pride. Cuba Gooding Jr. played the part. That was a true story the real guy it was his dream to be a Master Diver he made it.

Why am I writing this post It's showing you what you need to have and that is to really work hard and give it all you got and give it more then you got and give it more then anyone in the world would give.Now you're the man.

Listen I can beat all events . Over and over I posted this same statement and asked people to throw whatever they have at me and I will beat it live. I 'I've done it here and at the G.G and never lost in Dice ,Baccarat and Roulette doing it live. I always was man enough to step up to the plate.

What did I get from here in return nothing but insults from the people that have nothing of their own.Because they only study what is but not what could be. That statement takes a life time They only study what they see and what millions of people have already saw and tested and all fails..

To have a system that really works, you must be able to look deep and see things that NEVER EVER was seen before.

The key word's are, you must have the HEART the WILL and lot's of HARD WORK.Are you Willing reading these post here I don't think so. Remember every bad Idea people lose their money and some lose their family or worse their life . Can you live with that.Think about it.

Those who post a system should warn everyone this is just an Idea and remember anything can happen in gambling.


Also I posted A system here play it. The system is the only system in the world that works . It's flat betting only. One person said to me here, thanks I'm doing fine with it and it was nice of me to post it here.

To everyone here have a great day to you and your family's and a great year.I hope to post more in my spare time
The iceman1313

Quote from: ThomasGrant on Apr 17, 11:54 AM 2011
Well, I think it's due to a lack of understanding.
Not sure if any member or reader of the entire post has figured out how to apply his system.
Or even how to use it. I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent.
But, fraked if I could figure out what to do.
I may have to go back to his first post.
And read through this entire thing.
See where this saga goes.

Thomas my friend,

Go to replys #9 & 10.

That's his best explanation for the system.

His additional dimensions are played the same way.

His first line of virtual bets are just follow-the-last color or odd/even or H/L

His second dimension is where he skips every other bet of the virtual line.

He doesn't show it in those posts, but his 3rd dimension is based on the 2nd dimension movements.
He skips every other bet in the 2nd dimension to make his 3rd dimension bets.
This part is a little fuzzy, but I think when we get a handle on dimension 1 & 2, we will be able to go to as many dimensions as you can keep track of.

I'm still working on 1 & 2 myself.

LOL

The Jawtracker on VLS is wrong according to my understanding....the zero is counted in C FLT column in the first dimension...which  should not be counted.

Regards
Max


The iceman1313..please check my reply no 83.

Here's a live session I played on an airball machine.  I played a different method, but the spins are authentic.
b
r     -1
b     -2
r     -3     -1
r     -2
r     -1     -2     -1
r      0     
b    -1     -1     
b     0     
b    +1    -2     +0     +1
r      0     
r     +1    -1
r     +2   
b    +1     0      -1
b    +2
b    +3    -1
b    +4
r     +3     0       0      +2
b    +2     
b    +3     +1
0    +2
r     +1      0     +1
b      0     
r     -1      -1
b    -2     
r    -3      -2      0       +3
r    -2
r    -1      -3
b    -2     
b    -1     -2      -1
b     0     
b    +1     -3
r      0     
r     +1     -2     0        +4
b     0 
b     +1    -1
r      0
r      +1    0       +1        At this point I would stop since I am at +5 overall  0+1+4 = +5

What do you think Iceman?

Corrections please.

George

Hi atlantis
I really wish you would post on the new topic that you made up.
But as long as you ask a good question I will reply to it.

There is no limit it started when time started as also the so called random numbers started also, which is really not Random.The Dimensions is what controls the numbers not to be Random.
I hope this helps

The iceman1313

Hi atlantis

One . You can play the first one over the tracking . So you will have the second column over you would be betting. But ant Dimension you will be a winner in the long run.

To all here . This system only works the best in the long run. I guess you never heard that before. The reason you lose on systems is in the long run. This is a system that will win more and more the longer you play.

The Dimensions I use for the big games.

The Icemen1313

Hi GLC

I start where I show it here. But you can start it where you did also. All seems right You stop at +4  YOU MUST REMEMBER ALL THE RULES.

b
r     -1
b     -2
r     -3     -1
r     -2
r     -1     -2   
r      0     
b    -1     -1      +1                         
b     0     
b    +1    -2     
r      0     
r     +1    -1       +2                         
r     +2   
b    +1     0     
b    +2
b    +3    -1        +3
b    +4
r     +3     0             
b    +2     
b    +3     +1       +2
0    +2
r     +1      0                               
b      0     
r     -1      -1       +1
b    -2     
r    -3      -2     
r    -2
r    -1      -3         +0
b    -2     
b    -1     -2     
b     0     
b    +1     -3        +1
r      0     
r     +1     -2             
b     0 
b     +1    -1        +0
r      0
r      +1    0     


The iceman1313   

Hello Iceman

I thought i would have a little test. Paddypower slingshot

B
R  - 1
R  - 0
B  - 1    + 1
B  - 0
R  - 1    + 2
B  - 2
B  - 1    + 1            W + 1
B  - 0   
B  +1    - 0
R  - 0
R  +1    + 1            W + 2

Can you tell me if this is ok? I had to stop at + 2 becuse it was late zzzzz

Thanks  :smile:

Iceman....

I have a question for you. From all the testing that I have done so far, it looks to me like the only thing that gets to this method is repeats of colors or whatever other even chance you are using . Am I correct with that deduction?

Here is an example....
r
b  -1
r   -2
b  -3    -1
b  -2
r   -3      0
r   -2
r   -1     -1
r    0
r    1     -2
r    2
r    3     -3


I am wondering if this is where other dimensions come into play. Or is this just where you suck it up and take the -8unit loss? 

Hi Iceman

I had 6 sessions today. I didnt look to end at + 4 as i just wanted to get used to playing correctly

Session 1  -0       Session 1 and 2 i got off to bad start and made 1 or 2 mistakes so i just
Session 2  -0       aim to get back to evens
Session 3 +2
Session 4 +1
Session 5 +2
Session 6 +1

Now what i dont understand is how to record the zeros. I had double zero and didnt know how to record it on paper  ???

Thanks  :smile:

Hi ZigZag

Good question's

Answer
You don't right it down. When you go to +4 stop . Your total will then be + 3 only because of the 0 that hit you. Never try to go to +5 the deviation would be too high.

Your Friend

The Iceman1313

ive tested 800 spins and it stayed a bit like 20 units to the good for me---hey nothing wrong with that....will test more as im on vacation (testing is better by the pool-lol)

TO ALL HERE

Please show your results if they are bad. I need to check it out.

If you have went over 40 spins it will most likely did something work. Thank You never ever do 800 spins at once .or even 100 m99% of the time.

Like this

B
B + 1
B + 2
B  +3     -1
R  +2
R  +3  - +0
R  +4
R  +5     -1


The iceman1313

Hi ll l ll l lll ll

Hi my friend .Sorry I had to take your post down. I did Explain why. He didn't test the right way.

Here are the rules again . It's rare to even to get to - 8

-4  go back to - 2 then stop and change wheel Just take the lost . change wheel
- 5 go back to  -3 then stop and change wheel Just take the lost  .change wheel
-6  go back to - 4 then stop and change wheel Just take the lost  .change wheel
-7  go back to - 4 then stop and change wheel Just take the lost.  change wheel
- 8  STOP

The MOST important thing is to CHANGE WHEELS or RE-SET

You can stop any where  you want.

Your friend

The iceman1313

Hi Everyone

I can't say who this is because it came in a P.M. I have to respect that person.

thanks for your method.  It makes sense and I have just tested 7 more sessions and I finished at +4 on all of them except 1.

The iceman1313

Hi  everyone

I clean up some of the posts  so my friend can post his results without ant mistakes. We were at 12  win lost 12 so I think that was a good place to start testing with no mistakes.

Now he can post new results slow this time with no mistakes.If he does it right he should be up over 50 chips in a very small amount of time.


The iceman1313

Hi vundarosa

The reason was just too many mistake's were done on the results I know I didn't lose at all . But that's not the point that the house couldn't beat me. I just want the test to be 100% right.

That is only fair to the people that read my post.

The iceman1313

Hi chrisbis

You are right the words were of. I been at this and my program that i'n working on over 24 hrs
And typing in the dark.

I made the rules up and made posts how to play. I think the best way now is leave the readers alone and let them have fun with it.

The system will speak for itself.If never lost and I did post that it was tested with 3,000 shoes in Baccarat and was ahead $300,000.00 . And I also posted what people said about this system is the best in the 21st century.and much more.

I really have to get back to the big games and my programming .I will keep one of my computers on here most of the time to answer questions

Your friend

The iceman1313

 

Iceman please read the notes in CC with regard to this Thread.

Please DO NOT delete this post as it advises other members too


Thanks

Admin

Hi Everyone
Nice place here where you can discuss what is going on with the post in the main posts are posted.
I believe you need to know my true intention why I’m here and the reason why I clean up some of the post by deleting some of them. I posted many times telling people over and over that I really want to see the bad results .Not many people would even think of doing that. But I had asked many times.
As you see I pointed out a mistake and the person made the mistake and never got though the 2nd session before he did. I saw that right away.
Most people rush though so fast for two reasons one is to ensure he wants the people to see that this system fails for his own reason.
The other reason he wants to see if the system is good enough to make himself a paycheck so he will rush though it and make many mistakes.
I had chosen the first reason sorry to say. One of his first statement I notice he sais he went and did dimension # 1  and dimension # 2 and dimension # 3.they all failed This can’t happen because if 1 of the dimension  goes bad the other dimensions will pick it up.. That is why I invented the dimension .If he really did all 3 dimensions he would have know that. That was the clue his post was to trash what I worked so hard for. I answered all question and I had even to try many times to help people when they didn’t understand the system. I myself couldn’t do the entire dimension in the time he did it live here. So I new all was false.
Also when you clean things up that are just words mean nothing to me. But it you show proof I’m all ears and would delete all post that refuse to post the reason behind their thoughts. As you all know you can post anything to trash people with out proof of it and the facts that back it up.
Show the facts I’m all ears... A person made a post that someone said the system works great short term .Most people would love to here that showing their system works great in any area. I was REAL mad because yes the system works great but it’s a long term system in which it works better. I delete the post because it wasn’t true and would Mis- lead the people who were testing my system.
The mistake the other person leaving up a bad results I saw the mistake right away and I didn’t want my readers getting confuse with many results that were posted. It’s confusing enough at times.
I have come here for no money I took time away from my own programming of the big games. I did this because I am happy when I do good things. I have some great reads to inspire people to know there are news ways to invent a system instead of going over and over the ways which I feel would never work.
Flat betting no guessing using the same Method to beat Dice Baccarat and Roulette Wow un-heard of until now.

The iceman1313

i don,t think its an insult...everyone is entitled to his or her opinion...ruffling feathers along the way is going to always happen.....i,ve just had a read through the thread and although not tested or know how to test i find it all very interesting....i remember when one member explained the pppc bet to the rest of you how it matched the results given by simon and team w3m...he was persecuted for a while that his results didn,t match ...he went all the way posting the results and wins and losses ....people appolgised after making the mistakes and calling him a liar...damage was done...although from a fresh outlook as i have just read it i think iceman should be given a bit of time to explain further ...no one is making you read his thread....fascinating

Hi Blood angel

The Dimensions go slower but what the Dimensions do, it puts a check on the earlier Dimensions showing that there is there is no such think as any thing being Random.It's being control by all the dimensions in conjunction with the Laws of Math.

If you pick a Dimension just stay with it into you get to your +4. Make sure you follow all the Rules.

Thank you for your question.

The iceman1313

Hi  jon86

Random isn’t random my friend never was. If it were true that random is random I couldn’t pick the big games.  I base my system in picking the big games on pure Math. The math I use is base on the dimension saying Random isn’t Random. Pure simple math.

I hope this helps the misconceptions of the stone age thinking.  The reason why you don’t see in lotto the same numbers to come out all 5 numbers for 10 days in a row is it has memory just like all events does.  The reason why Random isn’t Random it’s because all events have memory and must obey all the Laws of Math. Yes some day as Albert Einstein thoughts would be it will happen some day concur with that also but only after all the Laws of Math  was comply to.

Thank you for your post

The Iceman1313

 Hi atlantis
Yes he lost that session As he will lose more . But that's what is so great about mt system you take off the lose from all the winner's The win's will be much greater then the loss. In fact a nice pay check for the rest of your life.

It's not a horror if you lose a few The wins are far more. People want to win every session but as long as you win a pay check the rest of your life they would say they don't care if they lose a few. The main thing is they win big time every day. The avg. should be 800.00 a day.X 5 days a week is $ 4,0000 take home not bad my friends. For me I make $ 8,000 a day X 5  that is only $ 40,000.00 for 5 days of work. That not worth it for me. Thats why I play the big games.

The iceman1313

The iceman1313

I played 24 sessions for practice using only the 2 dimension.

1. +0
2. +2
3. -1
4. -1
5. +0
6. +0
7. +2
8. +4
9.  -1
10. +1
11. +4
12. -1
13.+0
14. +4
15+0
16.+1
17. +1
18.+0
19. +0
20. +4
21. -2
22. +4
23. +1
24. +1

Won 23 units

".......one of my rules if you pick up 2 chips back when in the minus are right off from the start stop."  I think this i a imported rule for playing this way.

Regards
Max

Quote from: MAX on Apr 23, 06:07 AM 2011
The iceman1313

I played 24 sessions for practice using only the 2 dimension.

1. +0
2. +2
3. -1
4. -1
5. +0
6. +0
7. +2
8. +4
9.  -1
10. +1
11. +4
12. -1
13.+0
14. +4
15+0
16.+1
17. +1
18.+0
19. +0
20. +4
21. -2
22. +4
23. +1
24. +1

Won 23 units

".......one of my rules if you pick up 2 chips back when in the minus are right off from the start stop."  I think this I a imported rule for playing this way.

Regards
Max

Are you playing live or RNG?

 Hi marive

The first 23 sessions are from Spielbank Wiesbaden some German casino and one session from Betvoyger i presume all are live numbers.

All done for practice.

Regard
Max

Quote from: iceman1313 on Apr 23, 03:35 PM 2011

I would have stopped at -1 because I got back 2 chips. I would always say If I get back 2 chips when losing I would be glad to take the loss from all my winnings.

Yes that's probably a good idea. I altered my example to reflect that now.

A.

Hit alantis
I'm saying that altantis is 100 % right  Max is already playing the same way.

I will take the heat sure I don't mine. But I hope it is on the up and up. Sometimes people fake results like the one person that did the lll lll ll or what ever it was he called himself.

My system is the best in the world I knew that from the start.also when I made World History and beat all three table games Baccarat,Dice, and Roulette playing and using the same method to beat all three and Flat Betting only and with NO GUESSING also done it live never seeing the results before and was giving by a person that didn't even like me or my system. Well I think I made my point.

This system also is a check for if you are betting online this system will tell you if it is cheating. If you ever lose on online with this system they are cheating you. Go to another online.

I been hired before to check out if online cheating was going on. I found some were. and some were not. At that time I was selling my system for thousands and thousands of dollars so only the rich had the money.I was hired to find out if they were cheating but never took the money I was asking for. It was kind of a pay back to the people who were a little low on cash.
The system is a long term system as the days go by you will win more and more.

The iceman1313

 

Hi vandarosa     
Question
How many spins to your keep your sections to? I had a section where I just kept going back and forth and not making any headway, maybe after a certain numbers of spins better to drop the section if +4/-8 not reached.
Answer
I stop if I keep going back and forth if it happens twice sometimes It seems it wants to go back so I don’t give it a chance to do so, Test a Few if you want and see which is the best way to go. Must likely It will be 50-50

Question
ALSO, what do you do with the zero again?! how do you bet after a zero has appeared, if the zero comes the spin just before the one you're going to bet?
Answer
The zero don’t  even put down on paper just when the next color comes out  put the color were you would have wrote the zero in .Then continue like always.

Thank you for your post. Happy Easter

Your friend

The iceman1313

Hi iceman1313.

Practice a another 2 x 24 sessions.

First 24 sessions  +9

Second 24 sessions -2

For the three 24 sessions total win 30 units.

"This system also is a check ......"

Regards
Max

Quote from: MAX on Apr 25, 02:12 PM 2011
Hi iceman1313.

Practice a another 2 x 24 sessions.

First 24 sessions  +9

Second 24 sessions -2

For the three 24 sessions total win 30 units.

"This system also is a check ......"

Regards
Max

hi max
you seem running nicely with this system. if the unit value is $100 to $500 then it might push to replace day job. if Atlantis -the greatmind of this forum -- proves the reliability of this system, it will be one for longterm also could be stronger than MR J method which go for only 3 units with the unit value of $200.

by the by, how many spins in your one session?
good will hunting.
catalyst

To All

Anyone that bets on line and tells people that they win. I will Tell all these people------------------

There are many many words in those spaces I would tell them to you but I feel it will harm this forum so I will NOT Tell you the real deal.But I can say that I would never use those words In front of anyone. Take the hint and live with it.

Your friend


The iceman1313

R
R+1
B+0
B+1 +1
B+2
B+3 +0
B+4
B+5 -1
R+4
B+3 -2
R+2
R+3 -1
B+2
R+1 -2
R+2
R+3 -3
B+2
B+3 -2
B+4
R+3 -1
R+2
B+1 -2 this is the right way don't right the 0 down
If I read this right It is going to be 1 -2 -3-2-1-2-3

This I don't like because It seems it wants to go minus I would have stop at -1 got 2 chips back Thank you goodbye lost 1 chip I'm happy new wheel here I come.

Your friend

The iceman1313

Hi Everyone

I need 20 no more then that results made up I can show you a new way to test things .I use the other one that I posted . The one they are testing now.

Even on long steaks.

Your friend

The iceman1313

Quote from: iceman1313 on Apr 26, 04:01 PM 2011
R   
R 1
R 2 + 1
R 3 + 1
R 4 + 1  +1
R 5 + 1
R 6 + 1  +1
R 7 + 1
B 6 -  1   -1
R 5 -  1
B 4 -  1  +1
B 5 + 1
R 4 -  1  +1
B 3 -  1
R 2 -  1  +1
R 3 + 1
B 2 -  1  +1
B 3  +1
B 4  +1   -1 +4 Total
B 5  + 1


The iceman1313

ICEMAN
please explain it further with words.
thanks
catalyst

Hi vundarosa

Here are some sessions i played for testing.

-1
1   
-1   1
1   
1   0
1   
-1   -1
1   
1   0
1   
1   1
-1   
1   2

------------------------------

-1   
-1   
-1   1
-1   
1   0
1   
-1   -1
1   
-1   0
-1   
-1   1
-1   
1   0
1   
1   1
-1   
-1   0
-1   
-1   

-------------------------------------------   
   
-1   
1   
-1   1
1   
-1   2
1   
-1   3
1   
1   2
-1   
1   3
1   
-1   2

-------------------------------------------------------
The last example that iceman1313 gave seems to be easier to use.

Regards
Max

Looks like the first column is the result of FTL (+1 or -1)  and the second col is betting DBL every other spin....

?
A.

Hi Max

Same rules for all 4 dimensions.

Let me say this to all here. This system I gave here is free.It wins with

NO guessing because you just look back and return to the same number 2 back.

It's always flat betting so you never get into a big hole meaning a big draw down.

At times you are betting the wheel to lose instead of always winning.

You don't win every sessions but will make money every day meaning a paycheck.You will win more than you lose.

It will beat Baccarat, Dice and Roulette. Using the same method.

It has been proven over 3,000 shoes wining $ 300,000.00 in testing.

Many people here have tested it and has like the system and says it really works.

Also not much money is needed only a small investment to start with.

No progression needed.

Works better long time. Meaning the longer you play the more you win.

Made World History beating three table games Baccarat, Dice and Roulette, and Live using one method and flat betting only.


Is anyone taking the hint yet. You dare call it the best System ever.

The other thing remember there were numbers but out by(Nitram) I said only one person in the world would know that answer and I was right. I taught him what it meant it was my friend.

You people are so far behind in what is needed to have a system to beat all events. It takes hard work and must beat every dead end you come across. It's sometimes feels it can't be done.

Statement by all of you

Why is The iceman1313 here.

Answer.
To give hope that it can be done. But the answer isn't in any books. You must find it your self.Hard work will solve all your answers. Kicking someone off a forum that has a different idea then what isn't known yet won't be the answer. Making fun of someone isn't either.He just may be another iceman1313 even if his name is meltdown 1414. It's not in the name, it's what he is giving to you for free.

Well I think I have some good reads here for all to enjoy.

Please have fun and have a great year my friends to you and your family's


Your friend forever

The iceman1313   As always I'll be back when needed.

Quote from: iceman1313 on Apr 26, 04:01 PM 2011
R   
R 1
R 2 + 1
R 3 + 1
R 4 + 1  +1
R 5 + 1
R 6 + 1  +1
R 7 + 1
B 6 -  1   -1
R 5 -  1
B 4 -  1  +1
B 5 + 1
R 4 -  1  +1
B 3 -  1
R 2 -  1  +1
R 3 + 1
B 2 -  1  +1
B 3  +1
B 4  +1   -1 +4 Total
B 5  + 1


The iceman1313

hi GLC
i am trying to figure out the last shoot from Iceman which is different from his initial bet selection posted in the beginning of this thread. could you please throw some lights in the above spins.
thanks
catalyst

R   
R 1
R 2 + 1
R 3 + 1
R 4 + 1  +1
R 5 + 1
R 6 + 1  +1
R 7 + 1
B 6 -  1   -1
R 5 -  1
B 4 -  1  +1
B 5 + 1
R 4 -  1  +1
B 3 -  1
R 2 -  1  +1
R 3 + 1
B 2 -  1  +1
B 3  +1
B 4  +1   -1 +4 Total
B 5  + 1


The iceman1313

 
   

hi GLC
i am trying to figure out the last shoot from Iceman which is different from his initial bet selection posted in the beginning of this thread. could you please throw some lights in the above spins.
thanks
catalyst

Hi StackBundles
Real good post StackBundles For a couple of reasons the 255 reply.
It shows for one thing it wins. That you could have won 4 chips. See what happens when you stay on the wheel it goes back down. That’s why I say stop at a safe 4.
The next thing I would like to point out you would have another +4 chips if you waited to get to -4. Because it started to win again.
The next thing is you should have stop at +4  then you went in the minus But still was 0nly +0 at the end with no loss.
Nice post and you did the system right. BUT you have to stop at +4 NEVER EVER go beyond that ,as you have shown in your post what would happen.

Nice work my friend.

The iceman1313

R   
R 1
R 2 + 1
R 3 + 1
R 4 + 1  +1
R 5 + 1
R 6 + 1  +1
R 7 + 1
B 6 -  1   -1
R 5 -  1
B 4 -  1  +1
B 5 + 1
R 4 -  1  +1
B 3 -  1
R 2 -  1  +1
R 3 + 1
B 2 -  1  +1
B 3  +1
B 4  +1   -1 +4 Total
B 5  + 1


The iceman1313

hi GLC
i am trying to figure out the last shoot from Iceman which is different from his initial bet selection posted in the beginning of this thread. could you please throw some lights in the above spins.
thanks
catalyst

hi Tomla021
your comments are appreciated. but it does not resolve. i see nobody is coming to explain. max is happy shut away.
now only hope is stuckbundles. finger crossed.
thanks
catalyst

Hi to all

Thank you all about the good post of my health

This post may get people in an up roar. But needs to be said and posted. I will start in saying anyone here that is playing on line with my system for real money is winning is most likely telling a lie. Wow I guess you are surprise on that statement I’m only want to be truthful here so I’m saying my system will never work on line because I know the truth in what goes on with online casinos.

Next I hope other people will admit the same thing. They cheat BIG Time. Let me make this very clear Never ever bet on line even with live feed. You people live with it.
Here are a few scams people play on forums. They will buddy up and say wow your system is great. I’ve been playing real money and never loss. People, people and people, you yourself must test the system never believe anyone.

Now About My System
I’ve been at this 40 years so I think there isn’t much I missed in testing. I have 21 ways to play my system but the main fact they all win and about the same profit using only flat betting. I posted here a few ways besides the first one I posted just to show you a bit more.
Now STOP LOOKING TO FIND A BETTER WAY STOP, STOP, and STOP.  I already did that for you the first piece I posted is good enough to make a paycheck the rest of your life.
NEXT
This is the most important things about Roulette you will ever learn
There is NO other system out there that works and I will post some things on that subject.
All the casinos cheat online FACT even the live shots. This has been posted thousands of times over every forum they cheat live with it
Next they have 2 different size balls One is smaller than the other. One is for aiming at an area and the other jump’s around where ever it really doesn’t matter much because the betting on the table is even enough.

Now you ask why cheat if the odds are on their side. Bull crap people wake up the reason is simple DON”T ever give a person an even break NEVER. I’ve been a bookie for years and I lived by that saying. Live with it.
If you want to win only play real money in a real casino.

These are the worse thing you can do.
ANY Progressions NEVER work. A school kid can tell you that FACT
Further Back Numbers forget it Fact.
Playing numbers I mean any number FORGET it ,they will ensure it won’t happen they are the best or they get their walking papers...
Here is the biggest statement I can give.
When betting a number big time will make the person throwing the ball change where the ball would have landed in the first place. As I was told by them they can land 3 spaces before or after the number.
This is the reason why I chosen the even numbers that part they can’t control.
I have read post here and on other forums to say they have winning systems and their buddy’s back them up BULL, BULL and BULL. I’m sick of it.
I know of only 4 people in the world that has past Albert Einstein and I have taught all 4 people. They are now the top guns the next generation on the top of the list , and the most mathematically incline people in the world.
In short stop trying to improve what I have I already have done that for you. Now is the time to make some money.
I gave my system out here. Now YOU yourselves must test it and Never ever take someone else words that it works. Test it on real money in a live casino NEVER ON LINE.

Your friend
The iceman1313

 Hi Tomla021

I have been watching your posts. I think its best not to test so much. But it's good to test for awhile so you don't make mistakes when playing for real money. Since you want to play for real

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS NEVER EVER PUT YOUR CHIPS DOWN UNTIL THEY THROW THE BALL. Never give them an even chance in letting them know what you're betting. I never did in my life and I hope you do the same. Thanks

The iceman1313

nice system !!! thnx for sharing it ! I will definitely try it and give feedback as soon as I have time ! thnx once more :)

after 1200 spins was up like 35 units using the rules

i played straight w no stops but only restarted counting when at -4  after a win

Hi everyone

What is the most important piece that you need to beat every event and I mean every event. Please post your answer.

I have clean my post down so the more important thing can be seen so it will be easier to get what is really needed.

The iceman1313 

HI everyone
The answer is you need to know if this would happen then I could use this in the Laws of Math.
The next thing you must what think what MAY happen then use that in conjunction with the Laws of Math.
Simple right.

The iceman1313