Hmmm, what a controversial topic.
Many people have so many views.
So many unanswered questions.
Personally, I find it difficult to believe that the buildings just collapsed the way they did.
Then if that statement is true.
Then who put thermite into the beams?
And why have they not come forward?
Perhaps their families are threatened.
Who knows?
Their are so many strange things that went on their.
Why wasn't the scene treated like a crime scene?
What happened to the two black boxes from the two aircraft?
How can a plane fly into the Pentagon?
And why are their so few photos of the event?
When the whole place is covered with cameras?
I have seen many of the conspiracy videos.
From both sides.
They both create more questions then they answer.
Just like the Kennedy assassination.
More things get hidden then you and I will ever find out.
I know of a quaint saying...
History does not repeat.
It just rimes.
The Reichstag fire (German: Der Reichstagsbrand) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.
Sound familiar?
Patriot act.
Phone tapping.
Homeland security.
Black opps.
Blackwater.
Etc...
FREE in the USA...
Ummm, yeah, if you say so.
What really got me about this Thomas was the BBC gave a LIVE REPORT saying WTC Building 7 (i think) had also collasped........ 30 minutes BEFORE it collasped.
It had NO damage from the WTC on it, and if you watch video of it, it goes down like a pancake. It was no doubt in my mind "pulled".
I too have watched video online from both sides, and yes you are correct, it does leave us with more questions than answers
All I know is, we dont know the half of it......
Yep guys, I agree but over the years less and less people want to hear different versions of what might of actually occured. Too many BS coincidences IMO. Ken
I was over my sister house last night.
They had on TV 9/11 emergency
It was an anniversary edition of what happened on 9/11
With interviews with Condalisa and Donald plus many more.
Interviews with people that survived.
I was watching this.
And they had the part about the plane that hit the pentagon.
Still I just don't see how a plane could hit the pentagon.
Still did not see any plane parts.
Yet, they say jet fuel went into the pentagon corridors.
The whole thing, the whole incident.
Has so many questions.
More than where answered.
But as the years go buy.
Less and less care about it.
Ohh well.
You can't change human nature.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Sep 07, 10:07 PM 2010
I was over my sister house last night.
They had on TV 9/11 emergency
It was an anniversary edition of what happened on 9/11
With interviews with Condalisa and Donald plus many more.
Interviews with people that survived.
I was watching this.
And they had the part about the plane that hit the pentagon.
Still I just don't see how a plane could hit the pentagon.
Still did not see any plane parts.
Yet, they say jet fuel went into the pentagon corridors.
The whole thing, the whole incident.
Has so many questions.
More than where answered.
But as the years go buy.
Less and less care about it.
Ohh well.
You can't change human nature.
We had the same/similar doco Thomas. I do agree about the plane hittin the Pentagon, very small space made by it and NO video capture of it when the whole area is swathed in CCTV ??
As Ken says too many BS stories !
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 08, 02:56 AM 2010
We had the same/similar doco Thomas. I do agree about the plane hittin the Pentagon, very small space made by it and NO video capture of it when the whole area is swathed in CCTV ??
As Ken says too many BS stories !
Yeah, the most secure building in America.
And not a single video capture of a plane hitting the building?
I bet they do have video footage somewhere.
But will never release it.
Looking at the twin towers.
I just don't see how they came down so well.
Some say it was explosions on the beams.
But that begs the question.
Who put them there? And when?
Why has no one come forward?
Lots of odd coincidences that happened that day.
To many to account for. Very strange day all round.
It was a crime.
Why wasn't it treated like a crime scene?
I totally agree with you Thomas. But like you say, we will never know....
I could type out crap for two hours but dont have the time. The plane that hit the Pentagon for example, it was captured on FILM from the DOT (the best view), a nearby hotel and a nearby gas station. Those tapes were taken by the FBI, I have no issue with that. They were not given to the press because the 'trial' was not over yet, I have no issue with that either, I'm a patient guy.
After the trial was over, I waited and waited. All 3 were still not given to the press and most likely never will. What is the harm to do so? All the White House ever says, is that its too sensitive to viewers. Ok maybe but then SWITCH channels! lol I want to see those tapes! Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 08, 08:10 PM 2010
I could type out stuff for two hours but don't have the time. The plane that hit the Pentagon for example, it was captured on FILM from the DOT (the best view), a nearby hotel and a nearby gas station. Those tapes were taken by the FBI, I have no issue with that. They were not given to the press because the 'trial' was not over yet, I have no issue with that either, I'm a patient guy.
After the trial was over, I waited and waited. All 3 were still not given to the press and most likely never will. What is the harm to do so? All the White House ever says, is that its too sensitive to viewers. Ok maybe but then SWITCH channels! LoL I want to see those tapes! Ken
Ken, I think I've seen the tape from the gas station ? Its been used in doco's and I think the "loose change" final draft on youtube also too has it.Or maybe I got muddled up ?
I'll have to re-check. I have been looking for years. The DOT is what I really want to see. Ken
Wow
Weird ! :o
I just come back house and in the moment I turned on my tv it's was starting the movie about that day. As I hadn't seen it yet I got interested in it.
Now it was break to second part and I went to my favorite forum to see some unread topics, and got at first place to this one :-X
There are some weird coincidences ???
Regards,
Afonso
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 08, 08:28 PM 2010
I'll have to re-check. I have been looking for years. The DOT is what I really want to see. Ken
The Dot?
Please explain.
What is the DOT?
What videos from the gas station?
Department of Transportation. The 'plane' flying over the freeway during rush hour. Total BS. Ken
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Sep 08, 10:26 PM 2010
The Dot?
Please explain.
What is the DOT?
What videos from the gas station?
The video from the gas station has been around a while and has been in L00SE CHANGE also (check it on youtube)
All it shows though is a blur, you cant make out what "it" is.
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 09, 03:09 AM 2010
Department of Transportation. The 'plane' flying over the freeway during rush hour. Total BS. Ken
And no one on the Freeway saw the plane fly over ? BS for sure !
Ok, I just watched.
Loose Change 911 - An American Coup
link:://:.loosechange911.com/ (link:://:.loosechange911.com/)
Then, I went to you tube.
And google.
It's so depressing.
We are never gonna find out.
Same thing happened with Kennedy.
After all this time.
They know human nature.
People move on.
Just let it go.
It's a shame.
No matter what question you ask.
No one will ever get a straight answer.
What happened after?
Do you remember?
How about these as a reminder.
Patriot act.
Wire tapping.
Homeland security.
War in Iraq.
Afghanistan.
Even after millions of people protested for no war.
WMD's were alleged to exist in Iraq.
And of they went.
What a strange world we live in.
We are all Sheep.
1984
George, wish you were here now.
To see the world as it is now.
And how far we have come to making 1984 even more than a reality.
There is so much for me to post, not enough time. One thing was the Pentagon. I HONESTLY understand that plane fuel can melt almost anything at a high temperature, I know that. When the plane hit, no wings or engines left? NOTHING? At the very LEAST, the wings should of been outside the Pentagon. Sure, in a bunch of pieces but nothing was there. Ken
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Sep 11, 07:11 PM 2010
Ok, I just watched.
lose Change 911 - An American Coup
link:://:.loosechange911.com/ (link:://:.loosechange911.com/)
Then, I went to you tube.
And google.
It's so depressing.
We are never gonna find out.
Same thing happened with Kennedy.
After all this time.
They know human nature.
People move on.
Just let it go.
It's a shame.
No matter what question you ask.
No one will ever get a straight answer.
What happened after?
Do you remember?
How about these as a reminder.
Patriot act.
Wire tapping.
Homeland security.
War in Iraq.
Afghanistan.
Even after millions of people protested for no war.
WMD's were alleged to exist in Iraq.
And of they went.
What a strange world we live in.
We are all Sheep.
1984
George, wish you were here now.
To see the world as it is now.
And how far we have come to making 1984 even more than a reality.
There are a few versions of L00se Change, but the Final Version is the "best"
It shows how ppl have changed their Statements made on the day, to almost the opposite of what they said
Its a load of Carp, as we will never know the whole if any Truth !
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 11, 08:03 PM 2010
There is so much for me to post, not enough time. One thing was the Pentagon. I HONESTLY understand that plane fuel can melt almost anything at a high temperature, I know that. When the plane hit, no wings or engines left? NOTHING? At the very LEAST, the wings should of been outside the Pentagon. Sure, in a bunch of pieces but nothing was there. Ken
Ken, ure spot on dude.
Ive seen the footage and the review done by your own Country.
WHAT about the hole in the building BEFORE the collaspe ?
It was NEVER big enough for a Plane that size
YET they based their conclusion on the size of the hole AFTER some of the building had collasped !!
And like you say, where was the debri ? You always get engine parts etc etc
Of everything on 9/11, the Pentagon 'evidence' is what stands out the MOST. Ken
One thing I don't understand.
Is what knocked down the Light poles?
And how did one of em, hit a taxi?
The other thing, is the wreckage in that small town.
How a plane can completely disintegrate is beyond me.
I found this on youtube.
Missing 9/11 Planes (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QAh0rBrew#ws)
About the planes.
Man, this riddle has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
What about the people on the planes?
We know they are dead, don't we?
This may help some of you a bit. At least its a different perspective.
911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8#)
Ahh, here is the link again.
911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8#)
Hmmm....
Still, even if that happened.
Where are the engine parts?
Why where they never found?
These engines are made of Titanium.
Plane debris does not mean it is THEE plane. What was the huge 'item' that was crated with a blue tarp over it and carried out by I think 6-8 guys? Why are guys in suits so quick, running out on the lawn picking up 'pieces'? That cant wait, even a few hours? It needs to get done immediately?
No luggage, no seats, no LARGE wing or engine pieces? In terms of....where are the passengers if this was NOT THEE plane (same thing in Pennsylvania). Thats a tough one, I admit. lol Some say that the passenger list was FAKE, not real people. Well, maybe but I have seen some sad interviews with widows etc. I really dont know. Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 13, 01:51 AM 2010
Plane debris does not mean it is THEE plane. What was the huge 'item' that was crated with a blue tarp over it and carried out by I think 6-8 guys? Why are guys in suits so quick, running out on the lawn picking up 'pieces'? That can't wait, even a few hours? It needs to get done immediately?
No luggage, no seats, no LARGE wing or engine pieces? In terms of....where are the passengers if this was NOT THEE plane (same thing in Pennsylvania). that's a tough one, I admit. LoL Some say that the passenger list was FAKE, not real people. Well, maybe but I have seen some sad interviews with widows etc. I really don't know. Ken
My own opinion is none of the 4 Planes was THEE Plane.
Too many things have come to the surface
Too many people have said "it wasn't a Commercial Jet"
AND "they" find a SMALL PIECE of a Passport they say was one of the group that highjacked the plane into the WTC ?
GIVE ME A FRAKKKKKKING Break !
your telling me in all that dust you found a piece of one of their Passports ??
They must think were Frakkkkkking Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid >:( !!!
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 13, 03:40 AM 2010
My own opinion is none of the 4 Planes was THEE Plane.
Too many things have come to the surface
Too many people have said "it wasn't a Commercial Jet"
AND "they" find a SMALL PIECE of a Passport they say was one of the group that highjacked the plane into the WTC ?
GIVE ME A FRAKKKKKKING Break !
your telling me in all that dust you found a piece of one of their Passports ??
They must think were Frakkkkkking Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid >:( !!!
But they think we are.
The Bureau - Only For Sheep (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=wFNwttuO2m0#)
It is Only For Sheep...
And that is what they think we are.
But the sad fact is.
That many people are just sheep.
Time to wake up people.
Totally agree Thomas
Nice Vid, ive not seen that one before :thumbsup:
I forgot about that. lol They found a portion of a passport among millions of pounds of crap BUT (I look at both sides) they have c***pit recordings of the take over which sound DAMN REAL to me. I just dont know. Look at how small the hole was in Pennsylvania! Another example, at least find me one handle of one piece of luggage, nothing. Have you ever seen past pics of planes that have crashed? You see all kinds of 'items' identifying that it came from a LARGE plane. Even planes that have crashed into the side of a mountain, lots of LARGE pieces. Ken
How about Lockerbie.?
Blew a plane up.
Bits of stuff all over the place.
No matter what side you take.
The side that it was done by terrorists.
Or the side that says.
This stuff just don't add up.
No one will ever know.
The truth of this event.
Is very well hidden.
And will remain so for many years to come.
There is a quote I heard somewhere.
History does not repeat it self.
But it rhymes.
Lets go back in history a bit.
Have a read of this.
Reichstag fire
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire)
Sound familiar?
If you wana see how governments lie.
Do your self a favour.
Google this.
The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers.
Youtube it.
I may close this topic soon.
And concentrate on Roulette.
Since that is why we are all here.
I had another controversial topic I was considering starting.
But for the moment. I forgot what it was.
It was a doozy that was for sure.
If and when I remember what it was.
I may or may not post it.
As for 9/11
2011 will be the 10th year anniversary of the attack.
Lots of hype this year over some dude who wanted to burn a few books.
America. Free speech. The media just blows it out of proportion.
And it then affects some of the rest of the world.
2011 10 years later.
Maybe then...
More evidence will come to light.
But I don't think so.
However, 10 seems to have a bigger affect on people then other numbers.
So who knows.
Yes, in all that dust and billions of pieces of paper and what have you they find a small corner of a Passport with enough ID on it to say, yep it was him !
Yes the debri just doesn't fit the scene. As in Penn it was just a hole in the ground. No luggage no engines. Nothing.
IMO that was no commercial jet that went into that field.
Yep the recording does sound very real, with "LETS ROLL" being shouted a few times
but I bet you it they played you one done by Actors and told you it was from a Crash in Australia (for example) my bet would be you may accept it as the real thing ?
Anyway, we know it STINKS and is BS all the way !
One of the dead was kind of semi-famous (well known). She was a news reporter if I remember correctly. Where is she now? Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 13, 12:53 PM 2010
One of the dead was kind of semi-famous (well known). She was a news reporter if I remember correctly. Where is she now? Ken
What was her name?
I'm trying to remember, I'll look for it.
As for me, i do not believe in any Government conspiracy theories. The Government is simply
not competent enough to carry out such a large scale attack involving dozens upon dozens
of people following a script and being part of a long chain of liars without there being a single
micron of evidence that would be viable enough to link any Government official to the 9/11 attacks.
9 years have past and still not a single whistle blower, exposed document, email, overheard conversation, or secret meeting has been revealed. Considering the large
number of liars involved, including surviving family members lying about final moment
phone calls with loved ones aboard flight 93. Rescue workers would be included as lying about passengers still strapped to their seats in the Pentagon crash. Bystanders were lying if they said they saw a commercial airliner strike the Pentagon, and telling the truth
if they said it wasnt a commercial airliner. This is absolute utter nonsense.
The left wingers would have made a case by now if they would have uncovered a single useable piece of evidence that a Government prosecutor could
use in court (considering it is the far left majority who conjured the conspiracy theories in the first place. )
Who is to say about the future? One thing that is clear is that the future is not now and highly improbable that a successful case will ever be brought against the Government. You cant uncover something if it doesnt exist, period.
That is my opinion, and like A-holes, everybody has one right?
Observation: The wreckage cleanup worker in the video was hurrying along so that he wouldnt be late for his lunch break. ;D
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Olson (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Olson)
Like I said earlier, I always look at both sides of an issue. I dont believe in being bias. I do feel the events dont add up on 9/11 BUT then WHERE is this woman now? That is a tough one. Ken