Thanks Victor for this forum and for allowing me to register may this forum bring the guys and girls all the knowledge they need to win more.
For this topic The linear betting on the wheel and carpet, I would like to explain how it works. But first a background on why this "may" work. On another forum I made the statement that the ball can only land in 1 of 2 places on the wheel and this is still my believe. Then there is a guy selling a system with a lot of pros and cons to it. Say that if the dealer and table qualifies you can play the 1/2 of the wheel to hit.
I'm not selling anything I'm just giving it. So lets see how it works.
On both the carpet and the wheel the movement to the next number is limited to 18 numbers from the last. This is in either direction left or right from the last. If the number repeats itself it's a 0 movement. On the carpet you need to do some calculation. If the last number is 25 and it's followed by number 10 then its negative movement of 15. We are always counting to a direction with a limit of 18 movement. On the wheel it will be easier to see. But for the table one needs to keep too the calculation. Always the closes distances from the last with the maximum of 18 numbers.
If the last number was #5 and it's followed by number 36. Then the movement is 6 numbers to the negative. count from 5 back to #36 and over the #0. The numbers to count will be 4 (1) 3 (2) 2 (3) 1 (4) 0 (5) 36 (6)
To keep track of these movements draw a linear line and mark the movements on this .
0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 -14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18
Remember you are going to make one mark for each movement but you need to play this movement in both directions. For the wheel it will be to the left and the right of the number. On the carpet to the positive or negative from the number. If the movement was 6 numbers for the last and the last number is 36. Now if we want to play that this movement is going to repeat we will play the next on the Carpet. Numbers 30 because its 6 numbers negative to 36 and #5 because its 6 numbers positive from 36.
The counting of positive and negative on the carpet works on a linear line with numbers from 0 to 36.
You will be surprised by the winnings that this generates. You can play this movement to both the wheel and carpet at once. The numbers to play will be different from the wheel and the carpet. or you can just play one of the two.
I wait for a group of 3 numbers movement next to each other on the line and the play that group of number. In total its 3 x 2 = 6 numbers to repeat this distance from the last number. For each following number the next numbers to play will be different but the distances from the last would be to that group that was selected to repeat.
Lets see if there are any comments on this, maybe I'll need to explain it better.
Good on you for your generosity dear Twocando.
Hope you are doing great at the tables.
Please be aware we are only a few at the moment, so give it time to get the debate going. (Guys, when twocando speaks, we better listen!)
OK, first question from me: how is your average result with this linear betting methodology? How many sessions won average versus lost? Do you have any suggested win goal / stop-loss values?
Cheers!
Victor
Interesting Twocando, i do not understand all,
try to explain please with real numbers,
when to bet positive, and when to bet
negative, allways after the last spin ?
Give me an example with numbers , for Carpet
and other for Wheel, how do you play.
I play something like this on carpet,
but i bet on 8 streets( see Table & 8 streets)
in Full Systems.
hows it goin twocando i can kind of make sence of what your saying im thinking this is what we was talking about the other day? i did try tracking the distance after our chat i could see somethings that could work but if you give examples it will be much easier to understand
cheers
ok in the text file i tracked the distances for carpet only maybe you could show an example of how you bet with it please
29
35.....................4 pockets left
0.......................3 pockets left
32.....................1 pocket left.......So here we have a betting opportunity. I would bet for the wheel 15,4,21 and for the carpet bet positive so from 32 we move 1 number and bet 33, move 3 numbers and bet 36 move 4 numbers and bet 3
So our bet might look like 15,4,21 (wheel) and 33,36,3 (carpet) could play streets on the carpets too and neigbors on the wheel. Really this is open for your own interpretations.
results:
15W
8
22
30
9
15
28
35
12
29
1
27
23
34
18
0
28
26
1
30
27
15
10
2
26
29
1
28
29
24
hi tcd glad to see that you're on this forum and sharing your knowledge
:D good having you around.
Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on Apr 29, 08:56 AM 2010
29
35.....................4 pockets left
0.......................3 pockets left
32.....................1 pocket left.......So here we have a betting opportunity. I would bet for the wheel 15,4,21 and for the carpet bet positive so from 32 we move 1 number and bet 33, move 3 numbers and bet 36 move 4 numbers and bet 3
So our bet might look like 15,4,21 (wheel) and 33,36,3 (carpet) could play streets on the carpets too and neigbors on the wheel. Really this is open for your own interpretations.
its clear for me for the wheel part. However i dont understand the carpet part at all.
cheers
hamsup
ok but why 15 4 and 21?
if what i understand is correct, we use 32 as a start point
so 4 to the left of 32 is 21
3-4
1-15
so 15,4 21
:D
Hope that im right
Hamsup
Quote from: Twocando on Apr 26, 02:53 AM 2010
I wait for a group of 3 numbers movement next to each other on the line and the play that group of number. In total its 3 x 2 = 6 numbers to repeat this distance from the last number. For each following number the next numbers to play will be different but the distances from the last would be to that group that was selected to repeat.
Lets see if there are any comments on this, maybe I'll need to explain it better.
does any kind soul here understand whats going on for this part?
:D hamsup
Guys there are no specific starting point but the first spin of your session I suppose. ;)
All that TCD is doing is he says that the ball can only end up in one of two places spun from the last number.
So let's say 32 was spun. Draw a line straight through the wheel from 32cutting the wheel in two.
Now you have two halves. One half to the right of 32 and one half to the left of 32. Right?
So now what you do is to track the movement on a linear scale. For instance let's say that to the right is + and to the left is -
-18. -17. -16. -15. -14. -13. -12. -11. -10. -9. -8. -7. -6. -5. -4. -3. -2. -1. 0
+1. +2. +3. +4. +5. +6. +7. +8. +9. +10. +11. +12. +13. +14. +15. +16. +17. +18
Those are your two areas it can go to on the wheel. Positive and negative pockets.
So from 32 let's say the next spin was 8 pockets away to the right. So we mark above +8. Let's say then that from next number, in this case 34 (8 pockets away from 32), we now go 9 pockets to the right (again positive). So we mark above +9.
So at this stage we are at number 10 (9 pockets from 34) and we get another spin also to the right which is 6 pockets away also to the right. This would bring us to number 20.
Now you can all see by marking the pockets movements on the linear line that these three movements are next to each other (guess they do not have to be exactly next to each other but have to be close)
So our movements we work with is 6,8,9 pockets. So you could now play it various ways.You could play it 6,8,9 pockets away either side of the 20 which would give you a six number bet of 10,8,30 and 29,12,28. Or you could say that the movement is always positive for this dealer so only bet the 6,8,9 pockets away on the positive side. If pockets are slighly further apart play neighbors as well.
If you look on the carpet though it went from 32 to 34 to 10 to 20. Just looking at the last movement. 10 - 20 on the wheel is 6 positions or pockets. So now looking at the carpet and looking at 20, we move six positions positive and negative if you like so that gives us 14 and 26. You could play the streets that these two numbers appear in if you like.
Could you give some examples of how you attack this please
Thanks Jak
That's the right way. Could not explain it better, works the same on the carpet.
For the attack - play the movement to repeat. If the movement repeats more than 3 times in 12 spins then there are a trend. Why not play the trend?
If it lose replay and add the next distance from the last. Only repeat the last - lost numbers with the next new numbers.
If distances is 6/8/9 play the numbers in total 6 chips and if lose replay these 6 and the new numbers from the last. Then in total 12 for the last and 6 for the lost is 18. On a hit 35-17 = 18 profit.
If the third is a lost the double up on the next. or stop and recalculate the distances.
TCD
Quote from: Twocando on May 04, 02:36 AM 2010
Thanks Jak
That's the right way. Could not explain it better, works the same on the carpet.
For the attack - play the movement to repeat. If the movement repeats more than 3 times in 12 spins then there are a trend. Why not play the trend?
If it lose replay and add the next distance from the last. Only repeat the last - lost numbers with the next new numbers.
If distances is 6/8/9 play the numbers in total 6 chips and if lose replay these 6 and the new numbers from the last. Then in total 12 for the last and 6 for the lost is 18. On a hit 35-17 = 18 profit.
If the third is a lost the double up on the next. or stop and recalculate the distances.
TCD
Great sharing spirit. Good on you guys for keeping the spirit alive!
Cheers.
Jordan, there is an advantage in playing this way. This isn't just a opinion its a fact.
With the changing in speed, that's for the wheel and the ball and even the scatters the repeat of any distance from the last to the next will repeat. This is not just luck or a illusion on what is going to happen.
With VB and all the knowledge of what is going on inside the wheel people still make mistakes with the prediction of the next.
If we look at a way of playing with VB, one need to do the counting of the rotor and ball speed, then count the movement of the ball, with a time factor in seconds to check where the ball is and the dominant drop. With this you can spot the number for the next. Now you can play to that number to hit and if you play 3 numbers then you need to get a hit with in 12 spins. Your way of VB might be different that's not the point. Not everyone is using VB, because it takes a lot of practice and skill. Good for those's who win win VB. For the others that likes to play a simple way let try to look at this way again.
If the movement from the last to the next never repeats then we will never see a repeat of a number sequence. That's for the wheel and the carpet. On the carpet you will notice the chopping, the numbers in a series 21-22-23 or 2-6-8. Even on the wheel 6 pockets from the last and then a repeat of this distance. A even distance from the last that's 2-4-6-8-10-12 pockets from the last will cause the repeat of a colour. As long as this direction is not counting over the zero with the shortest distance to the next, limited to 18 pockets movement. Another fact and not the HG is that the number next to the last will hit. This is again for the carpet and the wheel. No dealer or changes in speed can avoid this, its going to happen.
Let me try to show what this movement does. For this I will use the carpet and the dozens on the carpet. Playing only the dozen to the left from the last. Why? because the previous movement was to the left and playing for the repeat of the movement. If this is not clear and you may say its not going to happen then why not playing the last dozen and the one to the right?
What is the dozen left and right from the last. Starting from the 3 dozen left to it is the 2 dozen. Left from the second is the 1 dozen and left from the 1 dozen the 3 dozen. This makes the table look like a cylinder with the dozen 1 and dozen 3 attaching to each other. If you go to the right from the 3 dozen then its dozen 1. From dozen 1 to the right its dozen 2.
Right let do a test.
6-31-7-13-7-36-26-6-19-5-16-16-33-1-6-29-24-32-28-6-22-2
This numbers from live table and single zero.
6-31 moved to the right from D1 to D3 play to move right D2
31-7 moved to left LOST play now to the left of D3 that's D1 for the next.
7-13 moved left WIN stay on the repeat. play left from D2
13-7 lost moved right play right D3
7-36 Win play right D2
36-26 a LOST was a 0 movement - Play D3 to stay there.
26-6 a LOST moved to the left. Play left D2 from D1
6-19 Win
19-5 Left
5-16 right
16-16 0 movement
16-33 left
33-1 left
1-6 0 movement
6-29 right
29-24 right
24-32 left
32-28 0 movement
28-6 left
6-22 left
22-2 right
As you can see there is movement and there is a repeat of movement. This is for the carpet and the wheel. A movement did not stay away nor did 1 movement rule the game. Even if you play just one kind of movement to appear then you will win. Saying if you play to the left from the last or right or 0 movement you would have win, with a small progression.
Now this is my opinion that the movement will repeat and all the movements will appear. That will be on the carpet and the wheel for a distance from 0 to 18 numbers. This gives you an advantage, just look at the movement, analyse it and play the game. You can divide even check the movement with the streets.
Let me know what you think
Thanks TCD
*What is the dozen left and right from the last. Starting from the 3 dozen left to it is the 2 dozen. Left from the second is the 1 dozen and left from the 1 dozen the 3 dozen. This makes the table look like a cylinder with the dozen 1 and dozen 3 attaching to each other. If you go to the right from the 3 dozen then its dozen 1. From dozen 1 to the right its dozen 2.
Right let do a test.
6-31-7-13-7-36-26-6-19-5-16-16-33-1-6-29-24-32-28-6-22-2
This numbers from live table and single zero.
6-31 moved to the right from D1 to D3 play to move right D2
31-7 moved to left LOST play now to the left of D3 that's D1 for the next.
7-13 moved left WIN stay on the repeat. play left from D2
13-7 lost moved right play right D3
7-36 Win play right D2
36-26 a LOST was a 0 movement - Play D3 to stay there.
26-6 a LOST moved to the left. Play left D2 from D1
6-19 Win
19-5 Left *
Your example Twocando:
6-31-7-13-7-36-26-6-19-5-16-16-33-1-6-29-24-32-28-6-22-2
I think i understand correct, right ? :
6-31 moved to left (not right ), next bet to left (D2 )
31-7 7 loss, moved to right, next bet to right
7-13 13 win, moved to right, so next bet to rihgt
13-7 7 loss,moved to left, next left
7-26 26 win ,moved to left, next left
26-6 6 loss, moved to right, next right
6-19 19 win , moved to right, next right
19-5 5 loss, moved to left, next left
5-16 16 loss, moved to right, next right
16-16 16 loss, 0 movement, (wait) or bet again right
16-33 33 win ,moved right , next right
33-1 1 win, moved right, next right
etc..................................
So, you sometimes bet 12 numbers(dozens), sometimes 18 numbers
when play singles numbers not dozens, right? Wheel or carpet.
I think you play 6 streets ,too.
When play singles numbers, or streets, we can include the last
number, or the last street, just my opinion.
I allready play something similar but i bet on 8 streets.
(see full systems, Table & 8 streets).I use LW s, than bet.
I have to apply your way too, so bet to repeat the (last) movement,
example if last was right, bet next 8 streets right side from the last street,
and maybe include the last street ( the last + next 7streets).
hi guys, was just having a little fun with this earlier. Made abt 140 units in 30 mins or so.
No idea whether i was playing this right. However the method i used was as follows
i was tracking both the wheel and the carpet, until i hit a linear "streak" on either
FIrst one i got was 12,13 and 15 for the carpet. 2nd trigger i got was 2,4, 6 on the carpet. I'm not really sure whether the 2nd is a trigger but hey the numbers looked " nice" . hahahaha
bets were as follows
1. numbers used were +and - 12,13,15 from the last hit number
2. on a miss keep the first 6, and add the next 6 from the new last hit number
3. on a 2nd miss bet the same 12 for 1 more spin
4. on a win, bet again on the 6 numbers derived from the last hit
5. profits per bet were:+30,+18,+6
6 retracked on LLL
i have no idea whether what i was doing was right or wrong. Maybe i was lucky,but man it sure was fun!!!! :D
Cheers hamsup
haha! :)
Fun is always good!
Well done I am happy for ur victory.
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Please let's keep both threads on-topic, this one and the new spawned thread.
You may resume your well-going in your thread dear Twocando.
Thank you and sorry for the temporary interruption.
Kind regards,
Victor
Gents lets get back to the thread at hand.
@ tcd a few questions for you
1.was my play method correct?
2. normally whats you're target win as well as br for a session?
cheers hamsup
TCD
I am willing to test ur METHOD :)
But 1st I need to ask a few questions
a)Do I bet ONLY in I see a TRED that 3 spins made CLOSE distances?
b)Is it more profitable to bet only in the wheel or the carpet trends OR do i have to play both?
c)Can I track the wheel trends and Use them also for the carpet?eg trend in the wheel 3 5 6...can I use it also for the same destanses on the cardet to bet?
Also If I will give U acces in the HYDRA will u test it?
Who knows ,maby u will play the HYdra with 50$ chips and go for 15 chips wins. ;)
Hi mates,
Thanks Victor, let see if I can explain more about this method.
Kattila for you I must say yes you did find the mistake in the info. If you sit at a table and the zero is to your right hand. The the movement of the dozens will be from dozen 3 to 2 right and not left. Sorry for that.
One can play the wheel and the carpet at once but to start is better to stay with one. The wheel and the carpet is not the same. If the movement or distances on the wheel is more or less the same it will not be the same on the carpet.
Play can start any time and the choice is yours to play for the repeat of the last or the change of the last.
The three movements is Right / 0 movement / Left === to simple R O L .
To write this movement next to score card can help to see trend or even if one of the three is missing. Can not and will not stay away. the longest I saw a stay a way 23 spins and that was for a left movement. The Zero was to my right. The movement was R and 0 == Right and 0 movement ( 0 movement is we the last dozen repeats.)
The way I write the score card help to see the movement and the distances of movement on the wheel. First I will explain more on the carpet. The wheel is a bit tricky you need to know the wheel and to count the distances correctly. This I will explain later.
Writing the score card. the first numbers is #6 the next to it I put a - meaning to next number. The next number needs to be written twice, for the movemnet from the last and in the next line to work on the following number.
It will look like this, if the numbers is 6/27/2/10/36/30.....
6-27 R
27-2 L
2-10 0
10-36 L
36 30 0
This will not be the same for the wheel. On the wheel we work with distances
6-27 1 pocket
27-2 5p (pocket)
2-10 12p
10-36 5p
36-30 2p
here we can see the distance trend to be close with 5 pockets and a difference of 3 to the trend. So if we play 5 pockets plus 3 to each side. Playing then 2/3/4-5-6/7/8 left and right from the last number, the distance. The next number was left from #30 and 7 pockets away from last the number #33. I will explain this more later.
Now for trends and betting. If there is chopping on the carpet you will see something like this R-L-R-L-R-L-R or 0-L-0-L-0-L-0. Please take time and look what's happening before you start to play this method. chopping do happen and it will start and stop. Practice to see the movement. If and when you know what is going on the you can start to play for money. Remember that there are only 3 kinds of movement. Its going to repeat 1 or 2 of these more than the other one. You may even play 2 of these at the same time. 0 to repeat and the L for the left. if you lose because it moved Right or the Zero replay the last choice.
Betting can be on the dozen EC, or Double street or 6-line. works to same payout.
I start with 60 pieces/ chips and play for 50% profit per session. Yes I do use a small proggy but I don't like it. Flat bet and win more times work better.
If you spot a movement to be away for 10 spins then you can play it. If the next after this play is a lost replay that choice and add the next to be the same to the last number.
If the 0 movement didn't appear for the last 10 spins play the last dozen to repeat. If not replay the same dozen and the last which would be different to the one you played to repeat, cause you'v lost, to repeat.
This seems to be complicated but take time and just look at it. Not to hard to understand.
let see if you understand me right. If you play the last to go to the right from the last and there are now zeros in the last spins and there was also now 0 movement/repeats who many times will you lose or win?
If you play the last two movements to repeat, that will be minimum of 1 chip profit will it work or not?
Thanks Guys
PS can you do this with the double streets?
Very good to see you around again Twocando. It made my day :)
what is your progression on the carpet? and what stop loss do you just your 60 chips?
Hi mates
Please can we keep our topics to this forum. I would like to see that this forum gets more members, no need to take topics to other forums. If it's your own and guess its OK but please show a bit of respect for topics not belonging to you. If something is posted, yes then its open source, let the other guys/girls come to this forum and see what we'v got.
The rest of this topic will follow.
A riddle for the ones that likes to crack codes. Is there a secret in the movement. Can the distances be used for calculated to the next column? and why?
PS Jordan sorry mate -- I will send you a PM on the Hydra. Test was done and I will give you more on this.
cheers.
Many years ago that I play with this combination, and one based on repetition, previous or missing. I have not managed to reach any conclusion.
riddle for the ones that likes to crack codes. Is there a secret in the movement. Can the distances be used for calculated to the next column? and why?
i guess thats the way you was predicting the numbers earlier i guess thats you real hg?
sad to say i suck @ riddles hahahahahaha :p
Hamsup
sorry, what is a "CARPET"? does it mean a roulette TABLE?
Quote from: iggiv on May 07, 04:53 PM 2010
sorry, what is a "CARPET"? does it mean a roulette TABLE?
Yes Iggiv !
thnx
ok ive designed something to play the dozen movement so far so good
w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-L-w-w-w-w-w-w-L-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-L-w-w-w-
if it carrys on like this we could easliy make a profit by a few bets and be done for the day but they always go soar in the end
we will see fingers crossed
You can play any way, Twocando or any your other way, always will find
bad or good runs.You will find this:
::::L::L:::wL:ww
or
:LLwwLLL:wLLwLwLLLwwL:wLwLwLLLL:Lww
or...............etc......
Important is to get experience to *hunt* the ::: streaks.
Try for example to make the LW s for the both *ways*,
than bet only after (LL...) L s, or bet when shows the first W,
ex. : wLLLw......bet now until appear the first L, or you can risk little,
and bet to skip 2 or 3 LLL s.
Good luck.
oh yes i understand that but these arnt the results for just the movements it was with a trigger added to see if i cud down the loss and have a look when to bet
Ok, what s your trigger Stack, and your way to play.
Maybe you should start another topic.
*Is there a secret in the movement. Can the distances be used for calculated to the next column? and why?*
Twocando, with your help we will find out, right ?
well id post it when ive done some more testing because im not sure of it yet but still looking good
but anyways tracking the last 4 distance and betting them the next 4 spins here was the results
7
12
16
17
5
12w 20
7
16
18
9
7 w 32
2
2 w 60
4
9 w
5
16
4 w 80
10
3
9
3 w
13
2
new dealer
6
1
10
3
10w
8
16
4
3
0
3
14
13
8
3 w
2
1
6
0
1
3
7
new dealer
1
5
9
11
13
4
10
12
5
10 w
5
7
14
12 w
6
2
5
1
10
4
3
8
8
4 w
new dealer
0
11
14
16
8
1
7
18
10
9
1 w
16
16 w
5
4
8
14
5 w
this needs to be designed into a system maybe twocando can englighten us in a good way to play this
is 0 fixed point any good?
ok theres a better way to play this so this is just a basic way of playing
flat betting Ã,£22 place Ã,£1 on 22 numbers
heres the results
distances:
5-8-12-13
16-2-17-11
1-8-10-10
6-6-2-2
5-13-15-2
2-15-12-18
16-18-15-15
15-13-12-13
14-17-8-7
8-7-8-15
10-16-6-13
17-11-8-1
8-13-17-16
15-1-9-16
7-3-18-16
13-9-6-11
2-5-10-18
13-4-8-11
2-2-6-16
8-11-
:wwllwlw=32
::wlwl=68
wwlwl:ww=68
:::w=140
lwlll:lw=-62
:wlwllwl=-4
:wwlwwlw=68
lwwlwwl:=32
total profit = Ã,£342
huh?
im lost here bro
what are we betting?
hamsup
yes we are lost here Stack, explain your self better . Thanks.
sorry we bet 5 numbers each side of the last distance plus the last distance on both sides of the wheel theres a better way to play this covering less numbers i need more help from twocando i think
hmm i've played once in a while in a style mentioned earlier in this thread. LIke i said it was pretty fun. Havnt got it down pat though. Maybe u guys could have a look and see how to improve it.
track wheel's and carpet movement until u get a stretch of movement that over 3 spins that is within 4 numerical digits of each other
ie 2,3,4 or 4,5,6, or 10,11 13 etc
u then bet the movements for the next 3 spins with the following prog
1st bet 6 numbers in total, 3 on either side of the last spun number ie +or - .
An example would be last spun number 15, using 2,3,4 i would bet 17,18,19,13,12,11
on a loss bet the above 6 plus the next 6 numbers based on the original movement ie 2,3,4
if u lose again, another 6 for a total of 18 units bet, may not be 18 numbers as some may overlap. However sometimes i may add a prog as well so double up and bet 36 units instead
if u lose again retrack.
profits may vary depending on the number of units
this is the minimum amount won
1st bet + 30
2nd bet +18
3rd bet 0(without prog) +18 with prog
loss would be 36 units or 54 units depending on what u chose
Have fun guys.
Comments and further improvements would be welcome esp from tcd :D
cheers hamsup
It would be nice to see Twocando continue with his ideas.
iggy
yessir!
Quote from: Iggy link=topic=51. msg499#msg499 date=1273977357
It would be nice to see Twocando continue with his ideas.
iggy
I agree with you.
jus some results of some movements from 0 as fixed point
16-15-4-13
14-17-8-16
18-1-9-4
14-3-2-17
4-3-2-7
4-3-4-10
15-9-4
16-6-14-2
18-8-9-16
8-4-5-12
16-11-12-3
9-15-5-17
15-7-18-17
10-17-10-18
9-2-4-15
7-3-9-13
8-11-15-11
17-16-1-8
7-4-1-15
12-4-12-13
17-8-14-8
18-2-13-3
3-17-16-4
9-15-0-12
17-3-9-5
1-9-5-10
14-9-2-12
16-15-2-10
14-5-2-8
9-15-13-14
4-1-13-1
3-16-6-17
10-16-15-18
6-18-9-14
17-3-5-1
6-13-7-14
8-7-4-15
15-16-17-17
8-4-15-15
9-10-11-10
14-11-11-10
17-8-16-10
11-16-17-4
14-5-1-3
15-16-11-9
1-16-4-9
6-16-1-5
9-11-6-11
10-11-13-8
0-0-16-17
18-5-16-4
15-12-16-13
15-17-15-6
9-15-13-15
8-6-10-4
14-8-2-9
3-17-6-13
2-15-8-12
9-9-12-1
17-4-6-1
4-9-16-17
1-11-5-12
9-11-17-11
0-17-0-7
1-1-3-10
6-12-6-13
16-9-16-10
0-13-12-5
16-3-8-7
7-17-6-3
11-3-17-7
1-9-6-3
4-14-17-16
6-6-12-9
3-11-11-14
16-8-1-13
6-15-12-9
15-6-16-4
2-3-16-3
17-2-3-16
3-17-2-11
10-6-18-14
13-8-11-1
12-11-13-17
13-11-0-8
12-14-12-14
14-7-13-8
10-18-16-16
11-6-10-18
getting back to the topic, TCD does indeed have something of value here. I have been testing his distance method on the wheel, flat betting 6 numbers, and still in the plus in over 5000 spins, i am almost finished programming a bot for RX so that the test results will come faster, but so far, the hit rate of going for a repeat of the distance is looking very good. Specifically, I have set the bot to wait for exactly 3 consecutive distances on the line chart (if more qualify, then the tracking resets, usually though the trigger is attained within 10-20 spins) then for the betting stage, the numbers corresponding to the 3 consecutive distances left and right of the last number are chosen. It then flat bet for 6 spins, each bet spin the numbers change because the distances selected are constant for the betting stage but the betting numbers are selected based on the last spin. Stop on a win. If it wins or loses the betting stage, then wait a spin and start retracking again.
Thank you very much TCD for sharing your methods with us. Looking forward to learning more!
how would the method work in land based casino without software? would it?
i think it is hard to pick up bets on the fly?
It s not hard to pick bets on the fly..
The problem is that this method does not work!
And why should it work?It doesn t have any genuine reason why to work!
Its just random luck betting.
jordan i disagree twocando knows whats hes talking about but he needs to explain more to us about this
lets say the dealer can stop it from hitting a certain part of the wheel but they cant stop distances
Hi guys I'm back and sorry Jordan I don't need to worry about you or what you say.
Well lets accept this to be a fallacy for this method or discipline but if you can understand it and use it then you can enjoy the game more and even make money.
Stackbundles, hi you are good and if you keep it up you will surprise the reset and even Jordan. The distance from Zero is good, there is something to it.
I was busy for the last couple of weeks working on Numeris Titanis. Thanks to a dear friend Jakkals - giving me hell with the info and to work on the magic of numbers. I hope that this new info or knowledge will not stop the linear betting but that it will help to understand why there is a repeat and changes in distances. So far I did find a lot on the two methods to be the same.
For now I'm not going to changes the topic but will explain more why the distances works
Numbers in live and roulette do attract each other. You will see numbers to be the same group of numbers and later you will see that the blank spaces in a group of numbers will hit. In the tests that I did it was interesting to see how numbers can be followed on the carpet and the wheel. Just for taste of what this is. All the numbers on the carpet and the wheel can be placed in groups of numbers. These numbers will be from 1 to 9 and the value of 9 will be 0. The one number that cause a lot of changes is the #6 may be because of the imperfect nature.
Well with all of this it be came clear that the change and the repeat of a distances can not be avoided. THIS is the good news. Now the question is how to play it.
The best is to places a mark on the next. On the carpet we count the streets between the last two numbers. If the result is 4 streets That's for number 4 to number 16. Then play the streets "4" from 16 for the next 5 spins. With each other number following the last do the same adding the distances from the last.
I will send a file with the test and the winnings. Live table
Thanks guys for the support and the comments. StackB No dealer can beat you they can only irritate you for a moment in time. I would really like to chat about your vision on this, you might have a different vision but it looks good.
Cheers TCD
looks like i missed you yes there is something here just need a way of playing it there could be a 101 ways to play it but need to find the most profitable way with less loss and i think we could flat bet it
i wonder what the outcome would be if we tracked the distance from 0
with also tracking the distance with each number im sure that would be a winner
but do we have time to work it all out i think so
hope to catch you sometime on chat tcd
Quote from: Twocando on May 23, 02:10 PM 2010
Thanks guys for the support and the comments.
Thanks to
you for being around dear Twocando.
I find distances between spun numbers quite interesting. Have you checked the "space symmetry" concept? (I.e. when charting the numbers hit on the disc, you see the same "space" -number of unhit pockets- both sides).
It is a natural occurrence, but it seems a consistent one. Maybe just one of those "needs of the game" that have to be fulfilled.
Your linear betting methodology sure reminds me of that bet selection.
Cheers!
im kind of stuck now im so close but so far away i just dont know what direction to take or how to design a good system for this
so if you can give some more info twocando cheers
Ok Twocando.No more negativity from me ;)
Surprize me!
he will jordon let him teach what hes willing to teach us remember twocando plays for a living so that there is enough reason to listen closely to what he has to say
yes i am just waiting with patience!
If and when he will explain his hole method I will not say anything negative...
I will also test his method...
We all need a winning method.
Please Towcando can u explain more?
Thank u
Well, we are here to gather knowledge and strategies about roulette.
More likely Twocando can also get something out of the feedback. At times others see things we can not, and this involves modifications/tweaks for systems.
Hope he'll be around soon.
Regards.
wheres tcd :'(
hamsup
played the original method today tracking for 3 straight movements in a linear line for both wheel and carpet.
Hit a movement of 4-5-6 on the carpet and played it for the next 40 spins flat betting 6 numbers each time. Results were awesome +234.
Hope im playing it correctly as i only stopped on a 36unit loss ( 6Ls in a row)
Tcd, what would the br and target win be for each session?
cheers
hamsup
and also what would the trigger be to start our betting because you do see things not happening for a while but when they do its crazy!
isnt the trigger 3 consecutive spins on the linear line? ie 4-5-6 or 12-13-14? either carpet or wheel?
:D
hamsup
lol probably I find it hard to understand some bits maybe that's why I come to a dead end.
Hello everyone :)
This thread in particular has got my imagination going.
I am going to try and come up with something using Twocando's idea.
Just to make sure however that I have things right using the +18/-18 analogy, am I right in assuming that the following would be correct.
I am working from the wheel layout first and then the carpet layout.
11
28 +18/+17.
27 +16/-1.
03 -13/+13.
04 +6/+1.
21 +1/+17.
Thank you.
why has this topic gone dead it is a very good way of betting is anyone able to dedicate sometime to this to see what results we get i normally play until i lose 6 bets which equal
-36 you will be suprised by the constant hits you get live wheel only boys
1 answer ... world cup !!! loool for me at least
:D
cheers
hamsup
well yeh im all on the world cup but england what a disaster but i dont care what anyone says if that goal had counted you dont know what the end result would of been so i got to say we got cheated out of the f*****!