In this topic I would like to discuss and get a list going of things that SHOULD NEVER happen at the roulette table within a set spin frame. Here is the list of what I have come up with so far. As I think of more I will add to it, but would also appreciate everyone's input on this. If done correctly this might help us to build a road map to a profitable method.
Here is my list...
Things that will never happen in 36 roulette spins ....
1. All 36 numbers will not come up in 36 spins
2. All 36 numbers will not come up in perfect forward or backwards order in 36 spins
3. Not all 12 streets will show up in 36 spins
4. Not all 6 Lines will show up in 36 spins
5. There will not be a sequence of 36 spins that does not contain at least 1 immediate
repeat of either a dozen or a column ex: 1-2-3-2-3-3 this is an immediate repeat
Now I have set the parameters for 36 spins. But if you guys/gals have different parameters please post them up as well. :thumbsup:
Number 3 and number 4, never? How do you figure that?
Also, 3 and 4 COULD BE one in the same.
Ken
Number 3 I am almost sure about. That is why the title is labeled "things that SHOULD NEVER happen". Can you provide actual spins where you can show that each Street does appear in a 36 spin time frame?
Number 4 I am guessing on. I do not have any proof to back that up. But both of these ideas come from the original idea of every number will not be hit in 36 spins.
Am I wrong for thinking this way?
3. Not all 12 streets will show up in 36 spins
4. Not all 6 Lines will show up in 36 spins
......
will show up very often and very likely
especially 6 lines most likely and often will show up, 12 streets less likely of course but very likely too.
Iggiv
If you are saying this WILL happen and DOES very often then you are telling me that a lot of times in 36 spins there will only be 3 or 6 un-hit numbers, not including 0/00?
That doesn't make any sense to me, and I do not see how that happens very often and how that is very likely.
Would you care to share some of your views on this subject?
Quote from: Big EZ on May 23, 10:30 PM 2011
Number 3 I am almost sure about. That is why the title is labeled "things that SHOULD NEVER happen". Can you provide actual spins where you can show that each Street does appear in a 36 spin time frame?
Number 4 I am guessing on. I do not have any proof to back that up. But both of these ideas come from the original idea of every number will not be hit in 36 spins.
Am I wrong for thinking this way?
yes u r. about the numbers u r right but there will be often the case when each street will hit at least once within 36 spins. of course it won't happen every time, but it will happen from time to time. And not that seldom.
Quote from: Big EZ on May 23, 10:42 PM 2011
Iggiv
If you are saying this WILL happen and DOES very often then you are telling me that a lot of times in 36 spins there will only be 3 or 6 un-hit numbers, not including 0/00?
That doesn't make any sense to me, and I do not see how that happens very often and how that is very likely.
Would you care to share some of your views on this subject?
well, sometimes there could be only 6 numbers unhit I guess, I don't think that only 3 unhit will happen often. but you somehow are making a mistake connecting streets and lines to numbers. If each street hits twice only, there still will be at least 12 unhit numbers. If 4 streets hit 3 times, 4 streets 2 times, and 4 streets 1 time, there still gonna be at least 12 unhit numbers. which may happen very likely
What is the calculation to figure out the odds of 1 street not showing up in 36 spins? Maybe one of the math guys can help me out on this one. And how many times WILL it happen in 1000 different 36 spin sessions.
Also iggiv, not to seem like I am attacking you, because I am not...But can you provide a REAL spin sample where you have seen this occur? Because I have been looking over many spins and I have not seen it happen once where all 12 streets hit within 36 spins.
I agree. I believe that alot of the time (NOT ALWAYS) all 12 streets hit within 36 spins. 'Things that should never happen'? >> So if it did happen.......your title is wrong, correct?
Also, if all 12 streets did hit, that OF COURSE means that all 6 double streets hit.
Ken
Yes I did not mean to write will never happen, as everywhere else in the post it says SHOULD NEVER happen LOL a little typo on my part.
But looking over the available spins that I have access to I have not seen it happen once.
So if anyone can show me that it actually has happened we can debunk this one and try and keep adding to this list..
Not sure if we are on the same page.
You are saying.....in 36 spins, it would be VERY RARE to see all 12 streets hit? Even one hit of a 17 means the 16, 17, 18 street has hit. Did I word this correct?
Ken
Mr J,
Yes you did word this correctly. And from what I have been looking at, so far, I have not seen it happen once.
I agree that it can happen. But the object of this thread is to try and pinpoint things that will happen very rarely or not at all.
If we can get a good list/debate going about these points and future points to be made maybe something useful can come from it
I found an example right away and they're my numbers >> link:://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/my-actuals-00-wheel-i-think-from-may-1st/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/my-actuals-00-wheel-i-think-from-may-1st/)
(the 4 is the furthest back
number) >>>
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EZ, no, no attacking but friendly talk here. Sorry, i don't have time to look for this stuff, it would take some time to prove, but i am pretty sure that it will happen often. I am not very interested to prove my point, because i think it is very much obvious. I have never tracked streets and
lines within 36 spins, but knowing roulette a little, i am sure it will happen frequently. how frequently i dont know. I am also sure there will be times when it won't happen at all within 1000 or more spins. But it WILL HAPPEN from time to time, u can be sure about it.
if u want a prooof then u have to analyze some real spins which are not a problem to find in "actuals " section.
good nite bud
My first 36 above numbers show all 12 streets hitting and I found that in under three minutes.
Ken
Mr J
Thanks for providing those spins.
And yes in that sequence it happens by spin 18 that all streets have been hit. :-[
Now I cant deny that it does happen, but the key question is does it happen often?
And I would also like some input on other things that you think SHOULD NOT happen very often with this wonderful game that we call roulette
Iggiv,
Thanks for your input. Do you have any idea to add to the subject on what SHOULD NOT happen very often within this game?
That list can be very long.
You won't see >> 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 etc in order.
It would be rare to see all 12 streets hit in exact order.
Ken
no, i think with other points u could be right. i am not so sure about the last point (maybe u r right too), but with first 2 points u r right for sure. it is practically impossible for all 36 numbers to hit within 36 spins and it is ever more impossible for them to hit in numerical order.
about numberical order, i saw once (and i think i posted that fact) real spin data from germany have hits from 1 to 12 in numerical order (with some repeats). i saw it only one time. it is extremely rare event too. so i guess 18 numbers in numerical order is practically impossible to see. or at least extremely rare. 12 numbers in numerical order is extremely rare too.
but how can u practically use this data? or it is out of curiousity only?
nite nite, now i am turning the computer off
Thats what I was thinking. You cant really use this info.
Ken
Right now its just out of curiosity and just trying to think of different things. But if you can find something that does not happen often then by default you have found something that can win often.
Being able to put all the pieces together is a whole other story.
This is mainly to get the creative juices flowing to see if anything can smack us in the face like a sack of bricks, and say "hey this is what you have been missing!!"
here is one more thing:
within 100 spins an even chance should not appear less than 40 times.
cheers
hans