A New Discussion Topic.
How do we tame the repeater results at BV?
Answer- cover as many of them as possible.
How?
That's what this new topic is going to explore, and hopefully come up with a new system of betting, designed soley for this task.
It will probably NOT suit any other casino game.
This topic is now going to seamlessly blend together the repeater nature of results at BV, and the sector play system I have been working on for several weeks now.
There are two identifiable subjects
1. Repeaters.
2. Sectors.
I have no problem in anyone posting up that BV is an RNG and as thus can-not be played as a sector table/wheel.
I know what U are all going to say.
I can see differently.
If anyone wants proof of what I see, then I am happy to show U via Skype shared screen.
Its very easy to demonstrate. :-[
The next posting will be about Repeaters, then we will move on to Sectors, and hopefully begin to 'Blend', the two together, and produce a new design of follower bet.
I am extremely excited at the prospect of this process, since it represents the closing down of rogue progressions, and a narrowing of where the casino can place their ball!!
Tho I love progressions, and what they do, if I can shorten them, and make my current systems safer in the process, then all the better for me, and all those thousands of PPL who play Roulette at Bet Voyager.
My ultimate dream here- as safe a system as I can get :)
Join in if U have anything to add, ask, or even just to say hi. ;)
Quote from: chrisbis on Jun 11, 03:56 AM 2011
A New Discussion Topic.
How do we tame the repeater results at BV?
Answer- cover as many of them as possible.
How?
That's what this new topic is going to explore, and hopefully come up with a new system of betting, designed soley for this task.
It will probably NOT suit any other casino game.
This topic is now going to seamlessly blend together the repeater nature of results at BV, and the sector play system I have been working on for several weeks now.
There are two identifiable subjects
1. Repeaters.
2. Sectors.
I have no problem in anyone posting up that BV is an RNG and as thus can-not be played as a sector table/wheel.
I know what you are all going to say.
I can see differently.
If anyone wants proof of what I see, then I am happy to show you via Skype shared screen.
Its very easy to demonstrate. :-[
The next posting will be about Repeaters, then we will move on to Sectors, and hopefully begin to 'Blend', the two together, and produce a new design of follower bet.
I am extremely excited at the prospect of this process, since it represents the closing down of rogue progressions, and a narrowing of where the casino can place their ball!!
Tho I love progressions, and what they do, if I can shorten them, and make my current systems safer in the process, then all the better for me, and all those thousands of people who play Roulette at Bet Voyager.
My ultimate dream here- as safe a system as I can get :)
Join in if you have anything to add, ask, or even just to say hi. ;)
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play them straigh up!
when you see 3 repeaters in 14 spins bet as follows, starting from the last repeater,
adding the next numbers as they come up for a maximum of 15 numbers.
Un per number/loss/profit as follows:
1st SPIN 1 -1 +35
2nd SPIN 1 -3 +32
3rd SPIN 1 -6 +29
4th SPIN 1 -10 +25
5th SPIN 1 -15 +20
6th SPIN 1 -21 +14
7th SPIN 1 -28 +7
8th SPIN 2 -44 +26
9th SPIN 2 -62 +9
10th SPIN 3 -92 +13
11th SPIN 4 -136 +4
12th SPIN 6 -208 +2
13th Spin 10 -338 +32
14th Spin 17 -576 +36
15th Spin 30 -1026 +54
good luck
vundarosa
1.Repeaters
He's a typical starting point at BV for me.
Free spin to get the first number out on the Marquee.
How would we play it?
Well using the system Bis101, I would now start off the whole process, with a single low unit bet on this number (0.01), and re-spin.
Bet Voyager is well known for the repeater nature of its results, and typically, a number will repeat, before it reaches the 21 number length of the Marquee.
The repeater rate, is very variable, and I'd love to tell u what the "Average" is.
I'll save that info for later!
He's the first bet
)using the newly finished Felt code within the Forum, I can show individual numbers, on a table layout.
Here's the code for a 1 unit placed on Number 20
[felt]
1@20
[/felt]
[felt]
1@20
[/felt]
The spin produces say Number 17
So my next bet would be 1 on 20, plus 1 on 17= 1 units in total. (looking for the repeater)
[felt]
1@20
1@17
[/felt]
This continues till we engage the services of a Progression List.
We need a progression list, to now recover all the bets previously placed
Here's the progression list for Bis101 system
[table=,]
Number(s), Total Bet, Loses, Pay, Gain/Loss,Notes
Free Spin
0.01 on 1,0.01,0.01,0.36,+0.35
0.01 on 2,0.02,0.03,0.36,+0.33
0.01 on 3,0.03,0.06,0.36,+0.30
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.10,0.36,+0.26
0.01 on 5,0.05,0.15,0.36,+0.21
0.01 on 6,0.06,0.21,0.36,+0.15
0.01 on 7,0.07,0.28,0.36,+0.08
0.03 on 8,0.24,0.52,1.08,+0.56, My Average Point maybe?
0.03 on 9,0.27,0.79,1.08,+0.29
0.05 on 10,0.50,1.29,1.80,+0.51,Or this one?
0.07 on 11,0.77,2.06,2.52,+0.46
0.11 on 12,1.32,3.38,3.96,+0.58
0.17 on 13,2.21,5.59,6.12,+0.53
0.30 on 14,4.20,9.79,10.80,+1.01
0.50 on 15,7.50,17.29,18.00,+0.71
1.00 on 16,16.00,33.29,36.00,+2.71
2.00 on 17,34.00,67.29,72.00,+4.71
4.00 on 18,72.00,139.29,144.00,+4.71
9.00 on 19,171.00,310.29,324.00,+13.71
End.
[/table]
Hi Chris
Its nice to see that we see the same thing at BV.
The repeats do seem to come more readily there than any other Casino (on or offline) that Ive played at.
I sometimes do exactly as you have posted here ....but I must admit I havent found out any averages as yet :-\
Ill keep an eye on this thread and help where I can..
@ vundarosa
Thanks for Ur progression list. :thumbsup:
1. Repeaters- continued
The obvious problem here, is the need to take a progression list up to scary heights, in order to recover all the previously spent bets, and return a 'profit'.
Or else - what was the point of playing I say! :-[
And, very occasionally, BV results WILL take U right up to the 19th number with-out repeating!
So, what do U do then?
Cry. :'(
After U have wiped away the tears, and had the funeral arrangements made for the BR,
its time for a re-think.
We need some protection. :-[
Time for Plan B.
@ Blood Angel
Cheers buddie.
U will like whats about to come then!! ;)
Quote from: chrisbis on Jun 11, 05:03 AM 2011
@ vundarosa
Thanks for your progression list. :thumbsup:
1. Repeaters- continued
The obvious problem here, is the need to take a progression list up to scary heights, in order to recover all the previously spent bets, and return a 'profit'.
Or else - what was the point of playing I say! :-[
And, very occasionally, BV results WILL take you right up to the 19th number with-out repeating!
So, what do you do then?
Cry. :'(
After you have wiped away the tears, and had the funeral arrangements made for the BR,
its time for a re-think.
We need some protection. :-[
Time for Plan B.
Hi Chris, looks very interesting mate :thumbsup:
Do the wins "pay" for the loss of a progression ? How often do you experience a total wipe out ?
Do you play this manually or with a Bot ? Gotta love a Bot !!!!! ;)
2. Sectors
There will be many viewing this topic (should they choose to do so), that will not give any
creditably to what I am about to say.
Bet Voyager No Zero Roulette Type RNG, produces Sector like results, time and time again.
Let me give U an example.
I will now go from this message page, open BV NZ, and in Fun account (it makes no difference, which account U use, since BV sends the same results out whether Fun or Real), and get a few spins right from the off.
I'll capture the date to show its real. (Not fabricated somehow)
[attachthumb=#]
Above, we have a classic example of both the repeater nature of BV NZ, and the Sector neighbour hits showing up, and only after a few spins
Number 15 is very hot here, and so is its sector.
I call this sector the Top of the House Sector.
It would usually span the Zero on a European wheel, as Zero sits in-between 26 and 32
Having hit 15 twice now, the sector remains hot in an alternate manor, and we could lay bets that the sector will hit again, within a few spins.
This is easy to design a bet for (with progression!), and wait for the sector to hit again.
For me, the sector is the hot/hit number and a measured number of its neighbours, each side.
So, for instance, Number 15 is sector categorized like so:-
15
32,15,19
26,32,15,19,4
3,26,32,15,19,4,21
35,3,26,32,15,19,4,21,2
12,35,3,26,32,15,19,4,21,2,25
28,12,35,3,26,32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17
7,28,12,35,3,26,32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17,34
U can take this list as far as u would want, till it met at the other side should U wish to!
Above covers the neighbours to Number 15 from 2neighbours to 14 of them.
and as U can see from the spun results in the screen shot, 7 out of the 10 spin results are covered by the larger sector grouping of 14 neighbours (7 numbers each side of #15)
If after the second Marquee spun result, we had started betting (with progression), on all 15 numbers covering sector around Number 15 (15 being the centre number, or how I prefer to label it- THE PIVOT POINT), we would have won 5 out of the next 8 bets.
And that would have been without the need to "Expand" the sector catchment area.
(I know that studying AFTER the event, is very easy to say what U would have doen, but I am merely giving an example)I have a System, that's called
Bis-Cending which sets out a frame work for capturing sector bets, around a given starting reference.(Pivot Point)
Let me give U an example.
Obtain a free spin, and out comes number 20 (as our first example) as the result.
My first bet, would now be #20, and the 4 neighbours each side of that "Pivot Point" number. (giving a total of 9 numbers bet on)
Which would result in my next bet being:-
20= Pivot Point
24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22
If U recall from the first example, the next spun number was 17, which would have been a miss, since 17 is almost directly opposite 20 on the BV NZ wheel.
My next bet could go two ways.
1. I could just repeat, noting my loss to this point were 9 units
2. I could increase my "Capture" area around my target number (my Pivot Point), by widening the search, and adding additional neighbours to the bet.
So, using 2. as my next format, my bet could be:-
20= Pivot Point (increasing to 11 numbers in total)
5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18
On a loss, the same system, would then increase my bet to 13 numbers (all set around that first original Pivot Point of #20)
and I would increase like this till a win.
The downside of this system, is that it is not responding to the sector that could well now be hot, as all I am doing, is widening my search 'party' till I fall into the new sector that may well have been hitting, all the time I was missing!
Few options then to think about, and discuss, in the next few posts.
@Twisteruk
Yes, the bet is designed (well the PROGRESSION is designed) to always "Pay" back the loses, as well a make a small profit.
Play manually, and with a U-Know-What.! ;) (View-able- anytime!!)
Its all down to the Progression design, and how the BR risk is managed.
Total wipe-out currently running at about 1 in 300 spins or so.
Seems to happen after 5-6 days of profit taking. Hence the need now to re-examine, and make necessary changes, to make to system safer.
And I think I have a 'cunning plan' .... :twisted:
BTW results from Real Money account playing, with Bis-Cending System, can be found here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/bis-cending-the-results/)
U will 'SEE' the different uses of sector bets, and how often I had the progression list rise towards the scary heights.
Even at level 7, the bet risk, is still quite small, but thereafter the cash loss on a miss is very scary indeed.
With regard to results from Bis-Cending, and the whole discussion around does BV NZ
produce 'Sector' like results that one can design a reliable bet around, U will see from
these (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/bis-cending-the-results/) figures, that sectors are re-hit within the levels 1-4 in most cases.
The first three levels, are all played with a flat bet, tho the numbers covered is increasing each time/level.
Obviously, this is early days, and I have only posted up two sets of results, but I have been playing Bis-Cending for over 2 weeks, and have trebled my BR, in that time.
Just playing few hours each day, with 0.01 unit as my base value, and all on automatic.
More results to follow.
Quote from: chrisbis on Jun 11, 06:04 AM 2011
@Twisteruk
Yes, the bet is designed (well the PROGRESSION is designed) to always "Pay" back the loses, as well a make a small profit.
Play manually, and with a You-Know-What.! ;) (View-able- anytime!!)
Yes, I would love to view ;D
Its all down to the Progression design, and how the BR risk is managed.
Total wipe-out currently running at about 1 in 300 spins or so.
So, are you saying that after every total loss of £310.29 you are always up from the previous wins ?
Seems to happen after 5-6 days of profit taking. Hence the need now to re-examine, and make necessary changes, to make to system safer.
Why if ure makin a nice Profit ?
And I think I have a 'cunning plan' .... :twisted:
by the way results from Real Money account playing, with Bis-Cending System, can be found here (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/bis-cending-the-results/)
you 'SEE' the different uses of sector bets, and how often I had the progression list rise towards the scary heights.
Even at level 7, the bet risk, is still quite small, but thereafter the cash loss on a miss is very scary indeed.
Baldrick - pray tell your 'cunning plan'
else I may be forced to do 'nasty things'
he he
Well, I am trying to come up with a formula that combines the Repeater numbers with my 'Sector' bet at BV NZ.
It proving a litle harder at the mo, so will keep U posted. ::)
Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
the idea overall, is to slow down the progression list, and therefore reduce BR risk, and cover the majority of repeaters that occur.
I have a few tests underway, but nothing is any better than what we already have. ???
The Evolution of A Cunning Plan
Take First spin number.
Bet that number and the 4 neighbours each side of it = 9 numbers in Total.
Spin.
If lose....
Take First and Second numbers.
Bet those Two numbers and the 3 neighbours each side of BOTH numbers = 14 numbers in Total.
Spin.
If lose....
Take the Three numbers now showing.
Bet those Three numbers, and the 2 neighbours each side of ALL THREE numbers= 15 numbers in Total.
Spin.
If lose...
Take the Four numbers now showing.
Bet those Four numbers, and the 2 neighbours each side of ALL Four numbers = 20 numbers in Total.
Spin.
If lose...
Take the Five numbers now showing.
Bet those Five numbers, and the 2 neighbours each side of ALL Five numbers = 25 numbers in Total.
If win at any point, start over again at position 1, and obtain free spin number.
Here's the progression list:-
[table=,]
Numbers To bet On, Bet, Loses, Pay, Gain
0.01 on 9,0.09,0.09,0.36,0.27
0.02 on 14,0.28,0.37,0.72,0.35
0.04 on 15,0.60,0.97,1.44,0.47
0.15 on 20,3.00,3.97,5.40,1.43
0.50 on 25,12.50,16.47,18.00,1.53
End
[/table]
(Note)If at any time the numbers overlap each other due to sectors being very close together,
then ignore the addition bet on the number, and make all bets on each number of equal value.
This will reduce the draw down on the BR.
Quote from: chrisbis on Jun 11, 05:03 AM 2011
@ vundarosa
Thanks for your progression list. :thumbsup:
1. Repeaters- continued
The obvious problem here, is the need to take a progression list up to scary heights, in order to recover all the previously spent bets, and return a 'profit'.
Or else - what was the point of playing I say! :-[
And, very occasionally, BV results WILL take you up to the 19th number with-out repeating!
So, what do you then?
Cry. :'(
After You have wiped away the tears, and had the funeral arrangements made for the BR,
its time for a re-think.
We need some protection. :-[
Time for Plan B.
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Well, that's why the wait for at least 3 repeaters within 14 spins....and after 3-4 wins wait for a loss and new 3 repeaters within 14 spins...it works very well even in live well.
vundarosa
Chrisbis sector chart for BV no Zero wheel
thought it might help
Well i have noticed the same thing about BV but i have a different approach to it.Actually i track last 12 numbers and i bet on them.Again the problem is the really loooooooooong and scary 12-step progression i use.My average is 1 lost progression in 5 days about but till then i have managed to triple my bank so i guess i am winning.I really wish i could code it on RX so i can get some statistics on BV spins just to improve my play.The only thing i did was to test it using MST tracker for about 3000 BV spins and the longest streak of Losses was 16 so i wait for 4 virtual ones and then i bet.I'll try your sector idea and maybe i would combine it with mine maybe something better would come.
Quote from: dchq_bam on Jun 14, 08:57 AM 2011
Chrisbis sector chart for BV no Zero wheel
thought it might help
11 number sector groups dchq-bam?
a possible "Optimum" number to start with eh?
hi chrisbis
i thought i would go over kill on the chart
just checking first 2 numbers wrong on top line now corrected
played at stated in your post
played a 30 min sitting
Games won 9
Games Lost 0
wins at prog1 x 1
prog2 x 3
prog3 x 2
prog4 x 4
prog5 x 0 (not gone that far)
dchq_bam
and while i was playing that game chrisbis i thought why not try this principal to the same
method (TURBO METHOD)
spin for a number 27
spin for 2nd 10 (now check 10 does not fall inside 27 for numbers either side)
spin for 3rd 2 (now check does not fall inside numbers either 10)
play from this point as usual
:wink:
@dchq-bam
are U playing from the Top in this TURBO mode,
or jumping straight in it at Level 3 (3 x 5sets of numbers)? :question:
Quote from: xxlakis on Jun 14, 12:04 PM 2011
Well i have noticed the same thing about BV but i have a different approach to it.Actually i track last 12 numbers and i bet on them.Again the problem is the really loooooooooong and scary 12-step progression i use.My average is 1 lost progression in 5 days about but till then i have managed to triple my bank so i guess i am winning.I really wish i could code it on RX so i can get some statistics on BV spins just to improve my play.The only thing i did was to test it using MST tracker for about 3000 BV spins and the longest streak of Losses was 16 so i wait for 4 virtual ones and then i bet.I'll try your sector idea and maybe i would combine it with mine maybe something better would come.
Let me know what Ur bet is, and I'll see if we can get it coded quickly.
Or maybe just the bones of it.
U should have a look at Bis-Cending. 8)
I can show U the bot running, if U come and meet me at a Skype address?
Skype is free to download, free to use, free to share a screen.
my Skype is:- chrisbis36