After all the who-harr a few months back, when several new members arrived here at these shores,
I just wonder, who many of those New fellows are still among Us,
and are reading/contributing regularly?
Are there any of the original wounded chaps still in here? ???
hi m8
im still here not that i post an awful lot
i should start posting my thoughts and findings (note to self)
dchq_bam
:)
well, and what about the folks who were cheated by ceh? ??? did they get there money back or maybe the magical bet in the end? ???
cheers
hans
I"m still here. I appreciate all the collective wisdom here.
I did not get my money back. Karma will get the scammer(s) who ripped me off.
But I've started inside betting. I've read tremendous posts by VLS, esoito, iggiv, Twisteruk, Winkel, chrisbis, Mr J, GLC. yourself hanshuckebein, and many many others .I've read parts of Brett Morton's book and purchased Kimo Li's.
I watched the suggested video's.
I love playing roulette, and I've become a better player because of this forum.
Thanks for asking. This forum helped me feel better because I wasn't the only sucker and the person who perpetrated the scam is looked upon as a common thief.
My friend was also scammed by win3million.
I was very lucky not to have fallen into this no good scammer's trap! He stated on the w3m web site that the ACTF bet was completely different from the PPPC bet. That comment led me to believe that he was a con man. How many people do you know who can easily create consistent winning bets at the drop of a hat? I don't know of any. I hope this guy gets thrown into jail for a long time before he gets a chance to swindle more innocent people.
This wasn t the only comment that leads a person to understand that he is a scam.
There were several stupidities that were leading that he is not only a scam,but a stupid scam....
Anyway have you all seen the page that his site looks like now?
To Chrisbis and other interested parties.
You may find my recent comments on the sister thread "Karma" quite timely.
The new 'pic' organisation is one to watch with curiosity.
XXVV
To Roulette Explorer : I would be interested if you would list the 'several stupidities' that made you aware of the 'silly' scam. Then perhaps we can all learn more from this experience. My question is genuine.
Ok XXVV.
I have read some post of yours and it is sad that even after this scam showed his real intentions by scamming ppl and take their money and disappear , you still have a hope that he is the real deal.
Anyway, as you asked me nicely I will post for you here the so many stupid things that he was posting in his site all those years , that those things werw big traps for him and was exposing him by being stupid.
I also need to tell you that I was the "oldtimer" member that posted in the forum that he made in the end and I exposed him infront of his public.
I am glad for this because I saved some ppl that were ready to send him money ,but they didn t.
Here is a link in GG that a member with the nickname "TRUTH" is writing about me (oldtimer) and how I saved him and opened his eyes and he also tryed to do the same for others.....
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=8680&forum=Roulette_Message_Board (link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=8680&forum=Roulette_Message_Board)
1st I need to tell you my expirience with this post that I made in the forum of w3m.
The forum of his was free for anyone to post....BUT after the post that I made he got scared and he didn t allow the posts for free....instead of that he changed the rules and every post that everyone were posting had to pass his aproval.....then if the posts weren t exposing him , he was posting them.....
Now after my exposing post , I DID NOT POST anything else in his forum(because I had made my point and this is the only thing that i wanted to do)
But because he was so scared that i was was hurting his scam , listed what he did to cover the damage :
He deleted my post as soon as he saw it and he noticed from my 1 and only post that my English were not so good and he started posting posts WITH MY NAME !!! The posts were post like this:
" Hey w3m scam... I F...ck your mother."(but with wrong english)
"hey w3m you are an a$$hole and I will kill you and I will find you"
Not only his posts were with very very very bad English , that even I DO NOT speak so bad English , but he was posting bad things WITH MY NAME !!!!!
After 4-5 insolting posts (with much more wrong English than mine) He posted with his name a post like that :
" Do you see ppl? This is the real face of the member oldtimer,....he is a sick person and all he needs to do is come in here and insult me....so don t take him siriusly because his brain is damaged!"
So as you see, with this move he tried to make me look like a person with brain damage for the other members not to take me siriously and PROTECT his business.
Now I will list you here the mistakes that he did in his SITE:
As the years were passing , w3m was updating his site by posting more things and more pages.
All the things that he were posting were accordingly the posts that we was reading in the VLS and other forums.....
1)So in his 1st pages he posted that He had found something that should happen more often but did not.
After this post the Vls members posted that NOTHING in roulette is steady and that everything has equal chances of hitting.....
So after he read this post he needed to be flexible and was always trying to go with the pulse of the vls members because after all they were his future clients.....
So he posted that "IF you thing that in roulette something is steady you are a fool.....so bet the Runs and the Changes"
2)Also in his 1st pages he were posting clearly that he was watching the movements and he was making judjements of where to bet(movements means PAST SPINS)
But after the members in the Vls and other sites made posts about : past movements mean nothing because every spin is independent , he had the obligation to go with the pulse of the members and so he posted : " If you think that by bet is looking past numbers you are a fool"
3)One of the most childish things that he posted in his site were that in his early years he showed HIS ACTF bet (one of its parts) to 2 roulette players because fe felt sorry that they had lost a big amount of money.....and in order to cover this(because he knew that if 2 ppl knew something that cam make ublimited money, then the bet would be by now spread all over the world !!!) .
He posted that those 2 men were dead !!!!!!!!!!! ;D HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa .... HOW MUCH stupid do u have tp be in order to post something like that??? and IF this were true HOW DID HE informed that those 2 ppl were dead ???? Did he went to the put boss and he asked him: "Hey Larry, where are those 2 men?" and Larry said : " Oh they died 1 day BOTH AT THE SAME TIME because a truck hit their car as they were returning home from the Casino !" HaHaHaHaHaHa ;D
4)He also posted that "Randomness is the one that is helping is win with the BETS" ;D LoLoLoL
Randomness is something that is killing every bet....so it was like telling : " Fallying of a clif will not kill you, because gravity will help you !"
5) One other big proof is that I had a friend that was from Germany and he had also understood that w3m was a scam....and out of curiosity send his a message to take part of the PPPC bet....
After his message , w3m posted in his forum with the name "Germany boss of the PPPC"(or something similar) "Here in Germany we are winning very nice with the PPPC bet and we will help the germany PPPC members with the bet.....
I did the same out of curiosity and after 5 minures a new post with the name of my country boss were posted and he was telling the same thinsg again....that the PPPC boss of my country will help oll the ppl from my country to learn the PPPC bet....LoL.....
as you see his behaviour was the least "CHILDISH " !!!!!!
I can t remember right now the other stupidities that he were posting in his pages ...but I know that there were a lot more......
The biggest proof is that he were posting with MY NAME things that I never posted and that after my post he made the approval option....
So XXVV take your brain away from this scammer.....as you saw he stole ppls money in the end....and it was very obvious that he was gonna do that from the begining.
I hope I helped you.....
I new he was a scam way before that,when werdna an old VLS member had pm me, with the boffins bet sight there were only a few of us that new about it we test this bet and flailed miserably, and jhm another old vls member can vouch for me when i say this ,after the boFfiins sight leaked on VLS FORUM MR.HAMSHIRE WAS SHITTING HIS PANTS because the writing was exactly the same i pm WERDNA and JHM and they both agreed that it was ,so this is where the leak from ceh.began for me i emaiLed hamshire feeling that he was in panic because he could not find this old arcive web sight of his, in his mind he thought it was out of sight,so i agreed if he wanted i could show him where we found it he said thanks but we found meaning his team ,in a second email a few hours later i asked him if it was his of coarse he said no ,but this was the kicker he said to me that the only boffins that he new was a guy who built him a car from scrap in the philipeens i thouhgt to my self what a crock of shit ,i PM JHM with this info we both laughed this is a scam, i emailed hamshire again asking him what he was up to, an hour later a rep responed for him , apperently this dude was his manager he said that hamshire just left for africa and cant respond ,holy crap i just talked to him an hour ago and doesnt he have a computer in africa i pm jhm once again with this info ,if JHM IS EVER AROUND he can vouch fo me that this is all true, oh yes in the begining before the che bet hit the forum he had put some bullshit bet on streets on his old web sight before all the pages came about,had tested it and it failed ,i new about this before people even heard about this,anyways there will be always something positive out of a negetive and thats how i look at life im a better player for this ,its always sad when people get taken for there money but the signs were all there but sometimes we become blind to them and keep hitting doors that dont open those are the signs that humans need to pay attention too. WARRIOR.
Thanks worrior.
All the story you just said reminds of w3m acting. And it seems that that kind of imagination only w3m and we Wendel (Hotspot)has it.....maybe he is the same person.
As you said out of his B.S there are some things that was very nice and true.....
eg. the ultimate testing of the 30 X 100spins sessions is the best way to test IF a bet selection has an advantage.
or that flat bet is the safest way to go .... etc.
Unfortunatelly though those nice infos would be helpfull ONLY if there were a way to gain a bet selection advantage.
When his old site was up I went to the guestbook and found people who claimed they found the winning bet. I actually got two email addresses. One did not respond kindly at all. The other seemed more friendly, but wouldn't reveal anything and I knew it was a scam.
They were both w3m pretending that were other ppl , or they were silly ppl that they THOUGHT that they had a winning bet, but they hadn t.
This is all very interesting, and I thank you all, Roulette Explorer, Warrior and LuckoftheIrish.
I try to keep an open mind but please do not worry RouletteExplorer I have no sympathy at all for the scammers and I have taken firm steps to ensure justice will be served.
It is thanks to this extra thread, nearly a year after the events that unfolded, that some further clarity is provided.
On the plus side there were some useful principles that came from the scammers including the quite brilliant money management and the reverse bet principle. I can say that these principles can be applied and can work given the right attitude and experience. But that is another story.
Nevertheless, despite my earlier (naive) sympathy for the writings of the scammers, their later use of increasingly 'high moral ground' rhetoric has made me especially motivated to see that they receive justice now.
Hence my other thread in this context.
Once again Roulette Explorer thanks for taking the time and care to explain what you saw, and I and several of my colleagues missed.
I notice that the scam site W3M is up for sale again.
Fascinating turn of events recently.
Just the One Pound is it?
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Dont know why the other PIC outfit got involved although I am having some interesting communications with them. Dont know quite who is the fisherman or the fish. Hope our lines dont get tangled, or maybe there is a net.
The ACETF site has also disappeared.
cheers
hans
Bunch of sick scammers.
It is extraordinary why an organisation like the Canadian based Private Investors Club - International would want to 'help' the so called 'victims' of the W3M scam.
They may have regretted/ and may yet regret their perhaps naive decision to take over the old site, even for that short time. Now it has been dropped like a 'hot potato' as the implications of their take over had not been commercially thought through. Nevertheless no doubt they collected some contact information on those who completed their form before they made it very clear that the FBI were actually one further step along the chain. They failed to realise that the murky implications of the previous scam organisation might reflect badly upon themselves, however innocent or 'well intentioned' they might be.
Why would an organisation like that be interested in roulette, in a roulette forum ( hardly mainstream investment), and a relatively obscure sleepy thread on a small outer region of the forum universe that has less than 1000 hits over several months.
Keep an eye on that organisation- its advertising reminds me of several past such outfits.
They are now styled
:.privateinvestmentclub.ca (link:://:.privateinvestmentclub.ca)
They have a home page and can be contacted via that.
Through CRE.online.com ( Canadian Real Estate) they can be found with contact phone number.
700$ to become a member? :o
cheers
hans
Thats with a discount.
I just love discounts. so I guess I'll order 3 memberships at once. that's what I call a real bargain. :D
cheers
hans
What a bunch of scammers.
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Sep 09, 01:03 AM 2011
What a bunch of scammers.
The biggest "bunch" of small-time scammers are they who "quietly and vigilantly" delete purely-factual replies, regarding Henry Ford eg, to misguided posts... and they who sit idly by.
Though this sort of activity makes/made sense in places like Columbia, and some of the old Eastern-Bloc regions, egs, where it can be/could've been easily a matter of life or death, it seems to be the norm on the for-profit message-board sites... some claiming to be the most-democratic, with all those "bells and whistles" to stop such behavior in its tracks.
I recall a thread about who would die for freedom of speech, to which i in the minority responded that i wouldn't. My goodness.
In this case, looks like many of the ones "trying" so hard to beat the casinos "have become them" but in the least of ways.
@Garn.
Your earlier posts were deleted from another thread because they were rambling, incoherent and factually incorrect, nor did they relate to the context of that particular thread.
In this latest offering you have mis-spelled Colombia which might upset many in that beautiful location.
As for your reference to 'casinos' and various attempts 'to beat them'- this is nonsense.
The main purpose of our work here is, in a spirit of goodwill and friendship, to find genuine ways forward in becoming increasingly successful in the subtle and magnificent game of roulette, and as a default but necessary step to guard against two faced opportunists such as Charles scammer who fraudulently stole millions from genuine and innocent students of the game, made even worse because the scam was reinforced by the high moral ground ethic of green economics and goodwill to mankind.
Such misuse of rhetoric deserves constant watch and the pompous claims of our Canadian investment club friends rang a few alarm bells together with their curious and probably foolish involvement in the old W3M scam website, so that attention needed to be drawn to their actions.
I have no wish to be drawn into any nonsensical time wasting arguments with correspondents who cannot be constructive or specific and who make fundamental errors in their text.
Quote from: XXVV on Sep 09, 05:19 PM 2011
Your earlier posts were deleted from another thread because they were rambling, incoherent and factually incorrect, nor did they relate to the context of that particular thread.
What was factually-incorrect about the Henry Ford quote from his book; or the eponymous Detroit hospital's definition of 'pathological gambling'? Or about that definition of the word 'eponymous'? Let alone "rambling or incoherent"?
And last time i checked, Gator's truly-misleading rose-colored glasses post was still there, so i then (according to it's relevance, at least,) rightfully directly replied to it. And then to your own further query about my point of reply. But i guess i'm not allowed my opinion either?
Quote from: XXVV on Sep 09, 05:19 PM 2011
In this latest offering you have mis-spelled Colombia which might upset many in that beautiful location.
Thank you for the correction(s). But you're own insinuation that my typo was somehow intentional, or a slur on that region, may have.
Quote from: XXVV on Sep 09, 05:19 PM 2011
The main purpose of our work here is, in a spirit of goodwill and friendship, to find genuine ways forward in becoming increasingly successful in the subtle and magnificent game of roulette...
That's nice, so why then delete replies which try to quickly and honestly "shed some [real] light on the matter"?
P.S. If you can't learn something from the multitude of small-time scammers, then why are you dwelling on them? Who should care otherwise?
Thanks Garn.
I am delighted you take a wider view of things and may be I should take more note of what you have to offer.
You will be pleased to hear I have moved on from the small time scammers. However I respectfully note that small time can quickly become big time. Just refer to statistics and reports on crime, and sadly, abuse to defenceless animals, and in principle we must not differentiate in taking action against any form of negativity. You know how the policy of appeasement resulted in near catastrophic consequences. There is a principle there.
As they say give an inch and 'they' take a mile. It seems 'hard-wired' into human psychology at a base level.
Back to the real world of roulette and trying to find ways to become a better player!
My friend Rich.
There are so many Opportunistic Parallels with that closing statement, in your last post,
with regard to the analogy, of how we sometimes approach our Roulette play:-
QuoteAs they say give an inch and 'they' take a mile. It seems 'hard-wired' into human psychology at a base level.
I'm only starting to learn those very Painful lessons myself now, after a series of wins, then loses.
Patience, concentration, and enthusiasm are prequels to starting the game, never mind the THRO play.
But the associated "taking an Inch" euphemistic approach I acknowledge as one of the Weaknesses of Humans when chasing down the disappearing Rabbit hole Progression list!
I am talking of cause , of chasing loses.
So for me, its a new day, new lesson learnt, and as Bart would put it:-
(this is the second time I have quoted that Iconic cartoon character...................)
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Think of it as Reverse Social Engineering of the Worst kind, cause after all, its ONLY GAMBLING!!
(Apologies if I have taken an "Off-Topic route, thro this Desert of Abundant Dry wit, wealth of Playing Experience, and a most Needy subject matter.
Don't let the Scammers get u down.)
Cheers.
P.S. I'm sure my Alter-ego started this Topic,
but I have no idea what happened to him. Must be around somewhere, collecting dust?
Thanks Chris. Good extended analogies. The alter ego is a laugh.
'Me and my Shadow'
I will soon PM you to cheer you up.
XXVV
Morecombe & Wise.
Excuse me for butting in, and perhaps I've missed the main point here, but once you give an inch shouldn't the recipient be entitled to take as many miles they want? If you don’t want people to move forward with your help, then don’t help.
Once given any gift becomes the property of the recipient and they should be entitled to do with it whatever takes their fancy.
As for scammers, we all have things to learn, and being scammed is a perfectly good lesson for many.
God bless the scammers for they provide an indispensable educational service to much of mankind.
It seems that w.3.m is already working on his next scam buziness in VLS forum.
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19152.msg139942;topicseen#msg139942 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19152.msg139942;topicseen#msg139942)
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God bless the scammers for they provide an indispensable educational service to much of mankind.
That's about the equivalent of blessing all the BAD-ar*e teachers in the world, for doing such a "
STERLING" job of bad education...... since it then gives society something to do, when it eventually finds their "Product"....( poorly taught Children),... and has to start all over again with them, but at a Slight
Time disadvantage.
Strange choice of Phraseology there Skakus!
But this is an 'Open' house, and we embrace ALL opinions.
Just don't think U will get many agreeing, but that's if they even give a dam, anyhow! :-\
Interesting thoughts Skakus
However this is an unfortunate example of laissez-faire politics, relativistic philosophy, and a rationale which would permit all manner of atrocities when taken to ab absurdum. A product of our time and we can be as sure as the wheel turns that these current attitudes will change. They will have to.
Lets stick to roulette, where I would be delighted to advantage a short term inch edge, into a country ( preferably Ireland) mile fortune!