I love creating methods for roulette to help keep the game evolving. I wanted to post a new double street method combined with PATTERN 4 playing style.... It is just an experiment and would like to receive your feedback as to its potential and how to possibly make it better....
Method:
Following classical PATTERN 4 play we note down 3 groups of 3 wide double street numbers..
example "2",5,4 group 1 "first number"
3,5,1
1,6,3
.. first number
We are NOT betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first but only that the first number of the fourth group is different from the first number of group 1...
Our first bet is 2 units on two dozens and 1 unit on one double street leaving only one double street open this ofcourse being the first number of group 1... a 5 unit bet... a win is +1 unit...
In 1023 live Spielbank spins 326 games were won on the first bet and there where 50 loses = +76 units, HOWEVER there were only 6 double loses when played consecutively.....
If we chose to play a HIT AND RUN session played consecutively for a 5 unit gain we can counter a loss with a level 2 progression, 6 on the double street, 12/12 on the dozens.
A double loss would be -40 units...
I wanted to present this method to see if we can forge it into a good winning method, and to see if I made any errors ....
Look forward to your feedback......
From the 1023 live spins/326 games there was only one game in which the fourth group completely matched the first group............
If we can work on a good method to create a reasonable betting style to counter this rare occurrence we have ourselves a good method......
If you were to play betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first pattern as PATTERN 4 the progression would be as such, if my math is correct....
Double Street Dozens
1 2/2
6 12/12
36 72/72
Total units -215....
Very high betting, however.... what can HIT AND RUN achieve?
JohnLegend,
Cool thing, I just noticed you had 1023 posts, same as tested Spielbank spins for DS4....
What's your evaluation.....
good addition, but i think the 215 unit exposure is a bit too much.
Quote from: amk on Jun 16, 02:31 PM 2011
From the 1023 live spins/326 games there was only one game in which the fourth group completely matched the first group............
If we can work on a good method to create a reasonable betting style to counter this rare occurrence we have ourselves a good method......
I like this approach AMK, ive been thinking about something similair. Its great that a few of us are now looking into this way of attacking random. Hopefully something good will come of this!
Thinking positive
lucy
Hi there - Only my second post on here and I love playing the D/streets - been using Pattern 4 in a similar way and been very successful with it - I only use a very conservative Progression though. I try for the win on the first spin only and take my loss or rather increase my units on the next line that I bet against the previous pattern
Continuous play have hurt me live and RNG though, so hit and run is my only way I prefer playing it!
Love reading everybody's views and comments on here :)
Quote from: Rackermann on Jun 17, 09:03 AM 2011
Hi there - Only my second post on here and I love playing the D/streets - been using Pattern 4 in a similar way and been very successful with it - I only use a very conservative Progression though. I try for the win on the first spin only and take my loss or rather increase my units on the next line that I bet against the previous pattern
Continuous play have hurt me live and RNG though, so hit and run is my only way I prefer playing it!
Love reading everybody's views and comments on here :)
hi. any reason you prefer the non-zero wheel. the max. table limits aren't very good.
Hello Rackermann and Halba1,
Rackermann, could you describe your method of play in the fashion I described DS4....
And post any spin data you have....
Thanks!
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Hi there,
Thanks for your message - Love Australia, especially their sports teams which are very competitive :)
I am from South Africa where we love our Rugby and cricket!
I play simple straight-forward strategies on BV - I love betting my D/streets and S/streets. I will play it for short session and follow the most recent Double or single streets that hit. The No-Zero makes this a safer bet for me. I get a feel for the software in a way and manage to win the majority of my bets - when a loss occurs, which does happen now and then, I DO NOT CHASE it - I use to, but so many times I chase that loss, I only lose more. I can easily win back 2 Euro's, compared to 10 euro's, if you know what I mean?
In between I use the Pattern Breaker and Code4 strategies with a very conservative progression. BUT, I have divided my table into 2 different EC bets - I call it A & B, where A = D/street 1,3,5 and B = D/street 2,4,6. . .
Same applies then as if you would play H/L or O/E - I track 12 spins and then bet against the pattern of the first line, e. g.
ABAB
AABA
BBAB
. . . . . . . . . . . Bet here (i know you are aware of this?)
Let me know if you have any Questions? I managed to turn 10 Euro's into 120 euro's playing this way - Using patience as well and sticking to it - not chasing any losses!
Good luck
Rackermann
I tested out rackermann's strategy on BV. 100% strike rate. less exposure.
Very interesting approach...
DS4 is PATTERN 4 but then with 36 to 1 odds.....
BR needed is 35 units....
It should produce winning streaks 5 times that of PATTERN 4... 100+, played HIT AND RUN...
A loss can be countered with one game to halve your loss at progression 17 DS, 34/34 Dozens..
Hope JohnLegend might pick up on this....
Quote from: amk on Jun 19, 03:11 PM 2011
Hello everyone,
Below is a modification of the first entry/explanation.......
Following classical PATTERN 4 play we note down 3 groups of 3 wide double street numbers..
example "4"5 1 group 1 "first number"
3 1 2
5 6 4
.. first number
We are NOT betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first but only that the first number of the fourth group is different from the first number of group 1...
Our first bet is 2 units on two dozens and 1 unit on one double street leaving only one double street open this of course being the first number of group 1... a 5 unit bet in total... a win is +1 unit... (bet is 1 2/2)
If we lose this game we spin 2 more spins to finish our group of 3.
We play again but at 6 12/12
Example:
"4" 5 1 group 1 "first number"
"3" 1 2 group 2 "first number"
5 6 4 group 3
"4" 3 2 first number bet is loss, same as group 1 first number, 3 2= virtual spins
2 first number is different from group 2 first number= win +1 unit ( 6 12/12)
If we were to lose the second game we can choose to stop and continue playing HIT AND RUN. In 35 games we would be even again. Or we can choose to halve our loss by directly playing again. We then make two virtual spins to finish our group of three than bet that the first number is different from group 3's first number.........
4" 5 1 group 1 "first number"
"3" 1 2 group 2 "first number"
5 6 4 group 3
"4" 3 2
3 4 5 (this game is a double loss) (4 5 are virtual spins)
2 win, first number is different from group 3's first number
In 1300 live Spielbank spins 410 games were won on the first bet, 70 games were won on the second bet, there were only 8 double loses...... NO TRIPLE LOSES WERE SEEN.... All games were played consecutively. This gives us an indication that a triple loss, a bet which if necessary would halve our lose of 35 units to 17, is very rare, even more rare played HIT AND RUN....
Our progression for level 3 progression is 7 34/34 Total units needed is 120
Important to remember is after a loss we play directly again.........
In short, DS4 is PATTERN 4 but with 35 to 1 odds played with 2 levels of progressions. If we ever need to counter a double loss and halve our loses our chances are 215 to 1
Winning streaks can be 5 times as large as seen in PATTERN 4, 100+
I choose not to play DS4 horizontally because I discovered this trend playing vertically........
Hello AMK. you could do it like this
instead of 3 numbers in a row you are betting
do it like this.
e.g. you get a line of 6 double streets. a group of 6 is a common way to start tracking spins.
446254
bet immediately against each number above.
but it is impossible to get a direct or even a similarish repeat. this is because there are too many different combinations of the above. the no of combinations are more than yours- approx 1/46656 of getting directly similar again.
here are my results tested on playtech RNG real money
163223
446254 1 repeat
535651 1 repeat
156344
214522
122536 1 repeat
highest progression 2nd.
units +27
from your numbers you, only 1 repeat as per this mod.
Hello Halba1....
What is your progression or style of betting?
If you have a three stage progression then you are actually playing that 163 is different from 446 (or different variations of 3 numbers in group one and three numbers in group 2)
This would be PATTERN 3 or DS3
163223 group 1
446254 group 2
If you have a 6 stage progression your odds would be 46656 to one, if you are flat betting you are playing that there are no repeats in group 2......... or you are in the loss.. There might be a playing method there? The only way to see is to run tests over many spins, then you have something to base it upon... A couple of games on RNG I don't think will do the trick....
Hello everyone,
Below is a modification of the first entry/explanation.......
Following classical PATTERN 4 play we note down 3 groups of 3 wide double street numbers..
example "4"5 1 group 1 "first number"
3 1 2
5 6 4
.. first number
We are NOT betting that the fourth pattern is different from the first but only that the first number of the fourth group is different from the first number of group 1...
Our first bet is 2 units on two dozens and 1 unit on one double street leaving only one double street open this of course being the first number of group 1... a 5 unit bet in total... a win is +1 unit... (bet is 1 2/2)
If we lose this game we spin 2 more spins to finish our group of 3.
We play again but at 6 12/12
Example:
"4" 5 1 group 1 "first number"
"3" 1 2 group 2 "first number"
5 6 4 group 3
"4" 3 2 first number bet is loss, same as group 1 first number, 3 2= virtual spins
2 first number is different from group 2 first number= win +1 unit ( 6 12/12)
If we were to lose the second game we can choose to stop and continue playing HIT AND RUN. In 35 games we would be even again. Or we can choose to halve our loss by directly playing again. We then make two virtual spins to finish our group of three than bet that the first number is different from group 3's first number.........
4" 5 1 group 1 "first number"
"3" 1 2 group 2 "first number"
5 6 4 group 3
"4" 3 2
3 4 5 (this game is a double loss) (4 5 are virtual spins)
2 win, first number is different from group 3's first number
In 1300 live Spielbank spins 410 games were won on the first bet, 70 games were won on the second bet, there were only 8 double loses...... NO TRIPLE LOSES WERE SEEN.... All games were played consecutively. This gives us an indication that a triple loss, a bet which if necessary would halve our lose of 35 units to 17, is very rare, even more rare played HIT AND RUN....
Our progression for level 3 progression is 17 34/34 Total units needed is 120
Important to remember is after a loss we play directly again.........
In short, DS4 is PATTERN 4 but with 35 to 1 odds played with 2 levels of progressions. If we ever need to counter a double loss and halve our loses our chances are 215 to 1
Winning streaks can be 5 times as large as seen in PATTERN 4, 100+
I choose not to play DS4 horizontally because I discovered this trend playing vertically........
Hello. my version provided is too risky. I tested it and a triple loss was seen.
since yours has no triple loss, probably better.
I also tested yours in comparison, and the results were much much better.
I also tested something good potential
163223 group 1
446254 group 2
535651 group 3
bet for group 3 individual nos, against group 1. i had nearly 100% strike rate. Only one L, no LL or LLL.
I think I might understand why DS4 performs well....
We are actually playing a MATRIX VERTICAL...
4 5 1 group 1
3 1 2 group 2
5 6 4 group 3
4 3 2
3 4 5 this game is a double loss
2 this game would be a triple loss
4
3
5
4
3
5
If the first three numbers are the same as the last 3 numbers, it would be the same as...
4
4
4
4
4
4
A six pointer for a vertical matrix......
Perhaps wishful thinking but perhaps there something to it......
Below is what DS4 looks like when played continually.........
It gives us a picture of how HIT AND RUN will perform...
A single "L" is really not a loss as with or two step progression we are up one unit with a win on the very next game.......
1600 spins have been played consecutively, 8 double loses seen and one triple loss........
This triple loss is the only time a significant loss was seen......
A double loss was otherwise always seen to win on 3rd level progression which would have halved our loss to 17 units...........
::::wL::wwL:::wL::wwL:wwL::::::L::wL:::wL::::::wLL:::::wwL:::wL:::::L::wL:wL:wL::::wL::LLwwL::wwL::::wwL::::wL::::wL::L:::wL::L::::LL::::wL::::wL:::::
This pattern is seen throughout the 1600 spins, only one LLL seen......
hello amk this is a winner. even better than code 4. the strike rate is almost 100%.
DS4 units won during 1600 consecutive spins = 533 games:
533 - 136 (8 double losses won on 3rd progression = 17x8) - 120 (triple loss) = +268 units
Any thoughts out there?
i tried it amk. it is good. only issue is 1 uncovered double street. also have to increase 6x twice, which might be uncomf. for most.
Halba1,
How many games did you play?
Using 2nd stage of progression should be expected......
It might be better to wait for a trigger, when the first DS number repeats than start the progression on the next bet....
453
253
165
4 . . trigger = repeat of #4 . . = 2 more spins
.. next bet against #2
This will take a great deal of patience but..... should have tremendous longterm success....
If played in this fashion it would be best to keep track of a trigger while playing other methods....
I am working on a few more variations of play.
I think this might just be the start of the DS4"s.......
Quote from: amk on Jun 22, 04:30 PM 2011
Halba1,
How many games did you play?
Using 2nd stage of progression should be expected......
It might be better to wait for a trigger, when the first DS number repeats than start the progression on the next bet....
453
253
165
4 . . trigger = repeat of #4 . . = 2 more spins
.. next bet against #2
This will take a great deal of patience but..... should have tremendous longterm success....
If played in this fashion it would be best to keep track of a trigger while playing other methods....
I am working on a few more variations of play.
I think this might just be the start of the DS4"s.......
thanks, I tried it, good results as per your system. it gets +ve units. let me know your variations, and I guess you can post it in the full systems
bet after L is a good way to start.
like you say pattern 4 has limitations esp with ECs, a lot of repeaters(too many for my liking)