I started a topic about odds of repeating sequences and this was the start line for the system I would like to share with you (Bayes, I hope you don't mind quoting you?)
Quote from: Bayes on Jun 21, 09:55 AM 2011
Odds of the exact same sequence is (12/37)9 ~ 0.004% or approximately 1 in 25,000.
In theory, these are tremendous odds, IN OUR FAVOR!!!
So here is the system.
We are playing Dozens and Columns
Dozens are marked 1,2,3
Columns are marked A,B,C
We track 9 spins and write them down.So 9 spins would look like this for example:
1 A 2 B 3 C 2 A 1
We then skip 18 spins...
1 A 2 B 3 C 2 A 1
X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X
XWe then commence betting (
RED X marks the spot) on the 28th spin. We bet AGAINST the first pattern of 9 to repeat.
The progression I am going to use is:
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 x 2 (total units 18) (( on my tests I found that more often you come out with a + even with flat betting but if this fails, different progression should be played just to get ahead with + 1))
or for the more aggressive player with a bigger bankroll
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 14, 21 x 2 (total units 122)
Chances that this loses all 9 bets - 1 out of 25 000!!!
The name TRI 9 is because after every 3 lines of 9, we would be able to bet.
I think this might be the safest bet you'll ever place on a roulette table, except on the side ofcourse! :wink:
I will start testing my own creation, and post results as I go.
Regards,
M
PS - this will obviously take a long time on LIVE play, so I will be testing on RNG too.
just a question: why the skip of 18 spins?
I actually thought of that too, but it's just to dodge possible streaks and to have a "complete" cycle of 36 numbers.
First session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+3
Second Session
3 Games ( 0 Game into sequence, had to retrack)
Swiss Casino
RNG
+2
Third Session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+2
I have to admit, progression seems to suc a bit. I've done a bit of research, and had a look at a possible progression that GLC created on this forum, but not sure if that will be the best ??
Any suggestions would really be appreciated :thumbsup:
I assume when you start betting and win, you stop betting.
If so, do you re-track another 27 spins before betting again?
Thanks
Hi Nick,
Not quite, I play for +1 unit, then COMPLETE the sequence...
So if you won on the 3rd bet, complete 6 spins - but keep tracking that sequence, as this now becomes your NEW 9 sequence. 18 more spins, then you can bet again.
1 A 2 B 3 C 2 A 1
X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X
1 A 3 C 2 C 1 B 2 - Complete this sequence!!!
X X X X X X X X X
X X X X X X X X X
Start betting again...
Hope this helps?
Regards,
PS - But a 0, I start retracking from scratch!!!
Ok, just had 1 more quick session
Fourth Session
4 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+2
This session was longer than normal, hence the 4 games!!!
3 B 3 B 3 C 1 A 2
1 C 2 C 3 A 0 +1 then Zero ...retrack
1 C 1 0 Zero retrack again
3 C 3 B 1 A 2 C 1
1 +1
Seems a grind maui. but basically you are going for a stop profit of 1 unit per area.
its like oscars grind
i have done similar and sameish results what a grind
i did it on BV non-zero, and it was easier no zero
other days you might be in minus so u have to up progression and get into a hole
If the expected loss ratio is 1/25000 couldnt you be a bit more aggressive with the progression?
no blood angel. this is because its D&C, and tripling of bets would go to ridiculous lengths on a matrix of 9.
the only progresssion i recommend to maui is GLC:
1/1 for 5 goes, and if minus double to 2/2, whenever reach new high or +ve, go back to 1/1
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 22, 01:04 PM 2011
I actually thought of that too, but it's just to dodge possible streaks and to have a "complete" cycle of 36 numbers.
ok. thanks for your quick answer.
if you wait for a complete cycle
you could record more groups of spins -more betting opportunities...
just jumped to my attention...
Quote from: ZeroBlue on Jun 22, 05:20 PM 2011
ok. thanks for your quick answer.
if you wait for a complete cycle
you could record more groups of spins -more betting opportunities...
just jumped to my attention...
maui. why don't you do this
1 A 2 B 3 C 2 A 1
X X X X X X X X X BB
X X X X X X X X XDD
1 A 3 C 2 C 1 B 2 - Complete this sequence!!!
X X X X X X X X X AA
X X X X X X X X XCC
Start betting again at AA vs BB, again at CC v DD
@ Halba,
Yup, but before I do, I'll be playing it as is. Once I have a solid progression in place....
@ Blood Angel
Even though I have a lot of trust in this, I wouldn't go bigger. If you have a bigger bankroll, great...but for now...specially in the initial stages...I'll stick to the small numbers. Once a couple of people have perhaps also tested, and we have some spins....then we would be able to accurately say...yes higher...or no.
Ok, quickly played a morning session
5th Session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+9
I didn't want to push it to 9, but was playing with progression like 1,1,2 then kept it on 3 untill I was ahead (second game)
I'm picking up some sort of "pattern"
In this sequence of 9, I have yet to see, less than 5 out of the 9 correct. YES - early days... but perhaps this can be used to an advantage ???
Still with my hands in my hair to get safe but profitable progression.
6th Session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+3
Total 15 Games
Profit +21
No loss yet
Progression ... progression ... progression.
Playing it variable...which isn't right...
Wish I had the answer.......
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 23, 04:54 AM 2011
6th Session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+3
Total 15 Games
Profit +21
No loss yet
Progression ... progression ... progression.
Playing it variable...which isn't right...
Wish I had the answer.......
hello maui. what progression are you using. i agree Swiss casino very fast RNG good software
Halba,
I'm kinda making up my progression as I go :embarrassed:
I'm using this as the baseline, and betting untill I come out on top.
1 1 2 3 4 6 9 14 21
But I'll bet 2 2, then jump to 4 and back etc. So nothing set in stone yet!!!
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 23, 05:10 AM 2011
Halba,
I'm kinda making up my progression as I go :embarrassed:
I'm using this as the baseline, and betting until I come out on top.
1 1 2 3 4 6 9 14 21
But I'll bet 2 2, then jump to 4 and back etc. So nothing set in stone yet!!!
hi +21 units good without a single loss. hope it holds up.
AWESOME!!! I think....just think...that I might have the progression right!!!
Will share in a minute...
GREAT SESSION!!!
7th session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+39 !!! :thumbsup:
Yup, that's right + 39
Here's what I've done....and how I played it with the new progression.(Not going to put in all the XXXXX for spins....so just imagine the spins inbetween :wink:
1 A 1 C 1 B 2 B 1
3 B 2 A 3 C 2 C 1
3 A 1 B 1 0 1 A 2
Progression works like this 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
You START betting with 5....on a win...move up..on a loss move down. Our goal is to reach the 9th progression, in other words 9/9 units. I managed to reach it on the 5th spin in the first betting sequence. Then I just let the spins pass, to complete that 9 sequence.
Even with a zero in there, it didn't matter!
BUT - and this is very important....if you lose more than 5 times...at progression 1/1 STOP!!! Don't try to recover,dont try to raise progression. Just take the 30 unit loss (total) finish the sequence, spin 18 times....and start betting again, with 5.
I think this part is the most important, as it will show how this will hold up.
I'm excited and hope it holds!!!
Please give it a shot, and let me know what you think!
Cheers
M
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 23, 08:08 AM 2011
AWESOME!!! I think....just think...that I might have the progression right!!!
Will share in a minute...
GREAT SESSION!!!
7th session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+39 !!! :thumbsup:
Yup, that's right + 39
Here's what I've done....and how I played it with the new progression.(Not going to put in all the XXXXX for spins....so just imagine the spins inbetween :wink:
1 A 1 C 1 B 2 B 1
3 B 2 A 3 C 2 C 1
3 A 1 B 1 0 1 A 2
0 1 A 2
Progression works like this 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
You START betting with 5....on a win...move up..on a loss move down. Our goal is to reach the 9th progression, in other words 9/9 units. I managed to reach it on the 5th spin in the first betting sequence. Then I just let the spins pass, to complete that 9 sequence.
Even with a zero in there, it didn't matter!
BUT - and this is very important....if you lose more than 5 times...at progression 1/1 STOP!!! Don't try to recover,don't try to raise progression. Just take the 30 unit loss (total) finish the sequence, spin 18 times....and start betting again, with 5.
I think this part is the most important, as it will show how this will hold up.
I'm excited and hope it holds!!!
Please give it a shot, and let me know what you think!
Cheers
M
hello maui. is it 5/5 you are starting with?
I must admit I did play at similar and got good results
is moving up on progression on a win a good idea?
there aren't a lot of similarities from one line to the next. hope it holds. you are really making random spin its head maui
this is only possible on a PLAYTECH RNG maui, because live wheel/other platforms won't hold up.
it is good to skip the 18 spins, then you can avoid a few zeroes.
I will test on Swiss and Winner casino(my 2 favs) tomorrow.
Affirmative!!!
I start with 5/5, goal is to reach 9/9, stop loss for sequence 1/1
New sequence starts @ 5/5 again.
Test and let me know your findings Halba :thumbsup:
Cheers
M
Pretty positive results maui. I got a few repeaters, but some win streak pos session overall
i agree one of the most important things is to spin the 18 times. this can clear a few zeroes out of the way possibly.
Nice topic Maui13 and Halba1.
Stay with it and soon more of us will jump in. You can't force folks to get involved, but we're keeping and eye on what's happening here.
Wishing you luck.
One point M13, the progression isn't as important as you may think. Almost any progression will win if it's a winning trot. Some are just a little more aggressive and require a larger bank and some are more conservative and require a smaller bank.
My 2 cents worth.
Cheers my friends,
George
George,
THANK YOU, for the very positive words!
and thanks for the advice!!!
Will keep pushing and report back...
Cheers
Mauricio
The progression is good I used it on ECs. Bet 1-5-10. Start with 5 units if won go 1 up if lost go one down until you hit 1 or 10. I am only surprised with the 9 formation.
Probably if you will bet each row of 9 you will soon encounter loss of bankroll. 9 against 9 can come the same because you bet 2 kinds! Dozens and Columns. If you would bet only D or C it would have to come 18 of the same kind in row to lose but at D/C together it could happen. The original strategy sounds better.
The progression is clever but should match the strategy.
Better would be 1-10-20. Start with 10 units and on W +1 or on L-1. So even 9 losses will get you still to bet 1 unit. The progression would be balanced.
Keep going (testing) like Energizer!
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 23, 08:08 AM 2011
AWESOME!!! I think....just think...that I might have the progression right!!!
Will share in a minute...
GREAT SESSION!!!
7th session
2 Games
Swiss Casino
RNG
+39 !!! :thumbsup:
Yup, that's right + 39
Here's what I've done....and how I played it with the new progression.(Not going to put in all the XXXXX for spins....so just imagine the spins inbetween :wink:
1 A 1 C 1 B 2 B 1
3 B 2 A 3 C 2 C 1
3 A 1 B 1 0 1 A 2
Progression works like this 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
You START betting with 5....on a win...move up..on a loss move down. Our goal is to reach the 9th progression, in other words 9/9 units. I managed to reach it on the 5th spin in the first betting sequence. Then I just let the spins pass, to complete that 9 sequence.
Even with a zero in there, it didn't matter!
BUT - and this is very important....if you lose more than 5 times...at progression 1/1 STOP!!! Don't try to recover,don't try to raise progression. Just take the 30 unit loss (total) finish the sequence, spin 18 times....and start betting again, with 5.
I think this part is the most important, as it will show how this will hold up.
I'm excited and hope it holds!!!
Please give it a shot, and let me know what you think!
Cheers
M
In a way i dont understand do you bet on everysingle number/letter not being the same as the line above or only the first one like code4 and if a win move to the next or do you bet all 9?
Please explain
Hey Juiced,
I bet every single one on that sequence... to try and achieve the progression high of 9/9.
IF you achieve that on the 5th attempt, that's it for that sequence....otherwise..grind it out until 1/1 then stop.
Had a tough session now!!! Did not go well at all. Well first sequence went great,but second one not.
2 B 1 C 3 C 3 B 1
2 C 2 B 1 B 2 B 3
2 C 2 B 2 C 2 B 3
Stop loss came into play
Grinding continues
Cheers
M
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 23, 12:50 PM 2011
Had a tough session now!!! Did not go well at all. Well first sequence went great,but second one not.
2 B 1 C 3 C 3 B 1
2 C 2 B 1 B 2 B 3
2 C 2 B 2 C 2 B 3
stop-loss came into play
Grinding continues
Cheers
M
yep thats the problem with all these pattern breaker systems. You get a good trot, but only 1 trot ruins your bankroll. and random can come up with funny things, if u think it aint repeating it will repeat.
Hi Maui. Shame about the last test, but poor runs tend to crop up every now and then :)
Using your above sysyem, so as to avoid betting on dual coluns or dozens, would it be feasible to just bet on the previous line repeating? So for instance:
2 B 1 A 3 A 2 B 3
Then go for a repeat of the above line? Obviously not with the martingale, but maybe something else? Just an idea.
Lucy
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 24, 07:47 AM 2011
Hi Maui. Shame about the last test, but poor runs tend to crop up every now and then :)
Using your above sysyem, so as to avoid betting on dual coluns or dozens, would it be feasible to just bet on the previous line repeating? So for instance:
2 B 1 A 3 A 2 B 3
Then go for a repeat of the above line? Obviously not with the martingale, but maybe something else? Just an idea.
Lucy
i tried it. poor results. a lot of repeaters and zeroes, losses.
Hey Lucy,
Yup, it happens....just motivates me more!
I'll have to go back to the drawing board... this system might still have something in it, as I was playing Playtech RNG, and everyone knows this is a big NO NO.....but I recon if a system works on there...is should definitely work on LIVE.
Anyway...the saga continues :xd:
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 24, 08:07 AM 2011
i tried it. poor results. a lot of repeaters and zeroes, losses.
Hi
It was the repeaters I was on about targeting.
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 24, 08:58 AM 2011
Hey Lucy,
Yup, it happens....just motivates me more!
I'll have to go back to the drawing board... this system might still have something in it, as I was playing Playtech RNG, and everyone knows this is a big NO NO.....but I recon if a system works on there...is should definitely work on LIVE.
Anyway...the saga continues :xd:
Keep plugging away Maui you cld tweak away from a solid system!
Lucy
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 23, 12:50 PM 2011
Had a tough session now!!! Did not go well at all. Well first sequence went great,but second one not.
2 B 1 C 3 C 3 B 1
2 C 2 B 1 B 2 B 3
2 C 2 B 2 C 2 B 3
stop-loss came into play
Grinding continues
Cheers
M
That's exactly what I was warning you!
You got it?
If you have the numbers try the same just with dozens or columns (not mix D/C) if you would get the same terrible situation?
I found the difficulties by applying the same strategy to Bermuda, like 1C3A = 4x4 square. D and C are twins who fight and agree often but they don't tell you when.
Hermes
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 24, 10:40 AM 2011
Hi
It was the repeaters I was on about targeting.
sorry i didn't read properly. yes i meant betting opposite poor results. maybe a test on an immediate repeat is worth a go.