We have explored :
Repeaters
Sleepers
Patterns
Law of third
Progressions
ETC.
As we saw nothing can provide us an advantage over the game...
So where should we fokus on?
(exept visual ballistics and Bias)
I am unable to think of something new... I really need a new way to start exploring it.
After all my name is RouletteExplorer :)
QuoteSo where should we fokus on?
My personal opinion is money management, we need to keep bets low and recovery fairly quick but not as quick as martingale type progressions where we recover ALL losses in one win, this is how we are losing currently. To give you a quick example of money management, select 1 ec any one you like, place your bet and keep adding 1 unit after a win UNTIL you are ahead, this will win, usually for a good few units BUT eventually the bet size will be too big, or keep adding 1 unit if you are behind win or lose just keep adding units 1 at a time until you are ahead then start again.
Yes but as we know this is also 1 of all the long run losers.
You gave me an example of something that is already tested to death and it is a loser.
That s why I am asking about any new ideas.
But thanks for your reply. :)
i also think that the winner isn t hiding in the money management alone.
If we don't make bets that are more accurate-reliable than the random -2.7 ,then we can t rely on a money management.
Look at patterns and see what happens and what not,make a pattern from a pattern or combination of patterns and play against that pattern not happen.
Maybe there is something to explore..... :question:
Regards
Max
Thanks for the idea MAX.
The problem with this (as you may already know) is that we do not know when a pattern will start and when a pattern will finish.
So we are betting again by luck. And luck in Roulette always means -2.7.(European Roulette)
Let s all have a debate here please.
Without a new way to look for , we can t explore anything.
Try not to fall into the same losers(ideas-ways) over and over again. Recycling losers is the worst thing it can happen in a Roulette Forum.
Ps. As you see the 2 members above gave 2 ideas that are already tested for so many years and can t produce a winner.
I already adviced NOT to look on the same losers on my 1st post.
Recycling losers = -Makes you unable to find a winner -
-Makes you feel tired -
-Makes you feel disapointed-
-Makes you lose time-
A single number have a unique signature and combined with analysis of the distinctive formation created by the movement there is still lot to explore.
Even one number can for a pattern. Strange but true..
IF the pattern is difficult to form the next few spins there is no need to know when it starts or stop.
Regards
Max
If what you say it s true , then this is exactly what C.H.A.R.L.S W.I.N.3.M.I.L.L.I.O.N was talking about.
BUT you and all ppl must already know that this person is the biggest Roulette scammer ever.
So what you say it is NOT true...you can say that something is true only when you have found it and only when you can prove it....
Ok anyone else? any new ideas?
Ok, if you do not want my input so be it....
But i do not agree with you statements.
Regards
MAX
I am truly glad that you had a nice laugh when you read the scammers name.
But your input is exactly his input. It seems very clearly that you are inspired from his words.
Here we are looking for things that will be real and not illusions.
ok let s take the problem from an other ancle.
If we will explore and record millions of spins and we see that the average miss on a dozen is X times.
Then why can t we start betting 1 spin before the trigger(X) and win most of the times?
This betting way would automatically makes us having a winning system...
But what is the thing that is making us lose even with this way?
Whatever you focus on, it must be to increase accuracy of predictions. How do you do that? Well, do you look at the table, or the wheel? The answer is in front of you.
Time management. It should take no longer than 1 hour/day (or four-15 minute sessions) to reach a sensible profit goal.
Yes but without increasing accuracy of predictions, time management only determines over what time period we lose.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 10, 01:56 PM 2011
ok let s take the problem from an other ancle.
If we will explore and record millions of spins and we see that the average miss on a dozen is X times.
Then why can t we start betting 1 spin before the trigger(X) and win most of the times?
This betting way would automatically makes us having a winning system...
But what is the thing that is making us lose even with this way?
you could do this and you would win every day forever BUT you would only win maybe $1-3 aday. the problem is the amount of spins it takes for the trigger to arrive, unit size and progression on top of errors in connections makes this method counter-productive.
i no. i have tried. if all else fails i will revert back to this method :thumbsup:
If that is your method of prediction, first consider HAVE YOU INCREASED ACCURACY OF PREDICTIONS.
Most people dont understand WHY this is so important. Most people dont ever achieve consistent profits with roulette.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 08:22 PM 2011HAVE YOU INCREASED ACCURACY OF PREDICTIONS...
First, note, and then convince yourselves of, a few basic classical physics reasons against acheiving the above quote in the simple physical realities of either practicality, or practicability.
Then, "do the impossible"... beat, nay better your understanding of those complex mathematical realities.
Increasing accuracy of predictions and beating roulette is not difficult. It just that the approach of most people make it impossible. But most people dont understand WHY.
Honestly it took me YEARS to figure it out, when it really should have been a matter of minutes. Now i look back and see I wasted years.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 07:13 PM 2011
Yes but without increasing accuracy of predictions, time management only determines over what time period we lose.
Steve what you did with computers is greatness,but not all of us can afford one.
Quote from: warrior on Aug 10, 10:06 PM 2011
Steve what you did with computers is greatness,but not all of us can afford one.
As Steve states his equipment is provided only to "serious" players so roulette computers at least for most of us in this forum are out of the equation.After all i am absolutely convinced that a very big number of users is more excited with the idea to beat the f***g game than actually "make money".
Bet more when you’re winning and less when you’re losing.
How do you know when you’re going to win and when you’re going to lose? - You don’t.
Next best thing could be to up the stake after a win and down the stake after a loss.
If you’re using a big progression then try making 3 progressions ranging over very long with small profits to very short with large profits, and one in the middle with decent length & decent profit. In the event of a loss, all 3 progressions should lose the same amount.
After a win on the current progression move to the shorter of the other two progressions for the next bet sequence (bigger profits when things are good), and after any loss on one progression move to the longer of the other two progressions for the next bet sequence (longer bet duration when things are going bad).
This basically translates to betting 3.2.3.2.3.2.3.2, etc when you're on a winning streak, and betting 1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2, etc when you're on a losing streak.
It's not much, but if your bet selection is strong and hovering around the house edge then this type of staking could just put you in front of the game.
QuoteSteve what you did with computers is greatness,but not all of us can afford one.
There are cheaper models and you can pay partly with winnings. Computers are just one of the methods that increase accuracy of predictions. There are many others. For those interested in VB, try below (free vb explanation):
link:://:.roulettesystemanalysis.com/m/vb13nov10.wma (link:://:.roulettesystemanalysis.com/m/vb13nov10.wma)
This is a part of the genuinewinner.com roulette system. The technique taught to techniques is my way of saying thanks to people who attend my public events. It is only a very basic method in this recording, as the advanced methods are reserved strictly for my players - including methods that deal with varying rotor speeds, and the wheel being only partially visible (rather than top view). In addition to the documentation at :.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip (link:://:.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip) this audio file will give you a better idea of the kind of methods I teach.
I don't mean to "plug" my products, but I believe in them as the best methods overall to increase accuracy of predictions.
People need to focus on the wheel and ball, not the table.
Steve I already know how Advantage Play is working.I just don't care for a way like it because you can t play on any wheel,you have to record
a massive number of spins and you also need a huge bankroll to face the bad fluxuations. So this kind of game isn t for me. I don't have the patience or the money to use in order to cover this play.
Proofreaders the TIME management has nothing to do with winning. Steve is correct when he said " without increasing accuracy of predictions, time managementonly determines over what time period we lose."
If a system is a winner it is able to win on the long run...if not then it s not a winner.
Frost the amount of the money that we can win with any system depends on what the chip value is.
And if a system is a winner , why stop on making only X amount of chips...the more we play the more we should win. Otherwise its NOT a winner.
Skakus the "Bet more when you’re winning and less when you’re losing." is an idea that never worked and is never gonna work.
So what have we heard once again??? THE SAME OLD RECYCLED IDEAS THAT ARE 100% PROVEN LOSERS !
What I am trying to show-explain is that if we do not find new approaches , then we will always be on a dead end and we will be standing infront of the Pc with the Roulette extreme open ready for testing...but we will not know what to test !!!!
This is my story right now. I do not know how to come to a new approach for start making a system from it.
And I am not that silly to start testing the OLD MILLLION TIMES RECYCLED IDEAS.
Ok fella, we need new thinking, correct, but what are we thinking against, live table OR RNG OR both?
For me RNG is not Roulette. So I only care about real roulette tables.
Thanks for your interest Superman I appreciate it.
Let s all try to think for new ideas. Let s unite our brains. let s overcome this dead end .
thank you
I am not sure why i am i bothering with you and replying on this thread... but anyway...
What do you realy want Explorer??? System that will never lose? So called method?
It seems to me that that you are one of guys who have never entered in the casino, and only sitting whole day in front of PC waiting to get some method to test it to death on million of spins per session (consecutive) And when it fails you are even ready to fight when someone says that is possible to make money on roulette in long term..
Maybe you don't know, but here on forum we have some very good methods, which when applyed properly with respecting gamblers falacy and all rules of playing of gambling, win more then lose in longterm...
I don't get you, you are claiming that everything about roulette discovered by now is not enough to beat this game in longterm?? (exclude nonsense about computers) Well, you are very wrong.
You are very funny to me. You want some new approach, but don't even know closely how would that approach look like and what that could be... So that is answer to me that you don't know what are you looking for. You are lost about this game, or at least you didn't explored it enough :o
Regards
Drazen
drazen_cro I am not here looking for fights.
If this is your impression about me I will not try to change it.
If this is your impression about the roulette game I am not going to change it either.
If you think that there are some good methods, which when applyed properly with respecting gamblers falacy and all rules of playing of gambling you can win more then lose in longterm then you are free to use them...
I just want to chat with educated members in here that have also explored roulette to the maximum and try to find a real winning method for all of us and not just for me.
So I will not bother with you again...it seems that you know the way so go and make your money and don't bother with me.
thanks
Thanks for kind reply. Me neither wasnt trying to argue insluting or something like that and apolgize if you maybe got it at that way.
But yes, I belive and know that is possible to take money from this game. But apperantly not educated enough to chat with you. I respect your opinion. All the best in efforts to explore this game to level from which you could make constant profit.
Regards
Drazen
I know that you and almost all the members in Roulette forums are angry and confused.( I have read almost all Topics in a lot of forums)
This preassure is comming not because they are a bad ppl... but because we may have put hopes in making money from this game... as long as we see that every system fails , then we need to canalise this anger somewere ...and this somewere is among us!
This is the bigger mistake in a roulette forum.
We are all Allies. Roulette is the enemy.
Thank you.
We all i have to agree with you, but only without part that i am angry or confused ;) I am not.
I ll have to repeat myself again, but please let me ask you something.
How something heavier than air can be on sky, flying? Airplane from 50 tons in air? Or ship made of pure steel (which has much higher density than water) floating on water? If you look at that knowing only that it would seem impossible to you that is so. Something like physics against physics. But we all know that is so. And how people get to that conclusions? Well i belive first they were thinking outside of the box, than lot of researching and experimenting + lot of hard work through many years. Same thing about roulette... And after all not all people are possible to build airplane or ship from steel. It needs much much other things also...
And some people have spent their whole life exploring something and found nothing. But other person found that in few years of its exploring maybe...
Regards
Drazen
If there are some people that have really found a way to make consistent money from roulette(without Advantage-play)then it is certain that they are not in any roulette forum.
They are out there making money ... (And this is IF there is a way)
The people that are joining roulette forums are the people that are in the process of finding a winning system.
IF a member in a roulette forum will ever find a winning way then he will abandon the roulette forum and go and make money.
So all the people in here including me are still RouletteExplorers...I don't care if some of us are good or bad explorers. Infact everyone thinks that is a good explorer...The point is to find a system that can makes us money and live the rest of our life like a rich person.
But please let s not fill the Topic with those posts....
This Topic was made for NEW IDEAS to be posted .
Thank you
What about kelly and snowman? or even winkel, are they all liars? It's silly to say that ALL members of roulette forums are losers looking for a way to win. There are other reasons why people join forums; maybe they just like being in the company of like-minded people, or want to pick up new ideas.
Bayes why don't you read the post carefully?
I posted EXEPT Advantage-play ! :)
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 11, 08:21 AM 2011
Bayes why don't you read the post carefully?
I posted EXEPT Advantage-play ! :)
And I said winkel also. Besides, why did you not include advantage players? why should they not also be out there making money 24 hours a day, and far too busy to post in forums? Sorry, but it's just ridiculous.
@ rouletteexplorer
Again wrong my friend. But please don't think i am just contradicting you.. And i ll tell you hint after i ll explain you something.
True is that amoungst as are very good players and knowledable people... Other are just as i told you in first post... Waiting to get something for free and to use without thinking and to get rich overnight.
Sad thing about all of this, is that some good things are in threads with very few replyies... People don't see it, what is another proof that they don't even know what they want or what could use them... You gave them gold, but they are lazy just to put it in their pockets... or to shut shovel in the sand to digg a hole to get to the gold.. Eventhough doc Ophis did almost that for them with his MST.
When you spent some time here on fourm you will see how it breaths... And if you are real explorer ready for hard work as you said, it won't be hard for you to get to some good useful things here.
Well if you didn't by now you can check systems with most replyes or the ones implemented in Ophises MST. Most of them are good. Some even very good. And of course to read all threads for every that posted system. And then you can check what knowledge and where is maybe "hidden", waiting to be found only for people who deserves it... This forum is quite interesting place after all. :thumbsup:
Regards
Drazen
@ rouletteplayer,
I'm 99% sure you're Jordan/viper/Jean-Claude, I recognize the style. You've been banned from this forum in the past. As far as I'm concerned you can continue to post, but Steve may disagree.
You dismiss money-management and virtually all ways of playing systems. What's left? I really don't see the point of this thread. As far as I'm concerned the game is 90% money management, and all the MM schemes I've seen are quite simplistic and mechanical. There are MANY options which haven't been explored.
If you deny that any MM can work without increasing the accuracy of predictions, then you're left with AP, but you rule that out, so as far as you're concerned, it's impossible to win, period.
In which case I have to ask what is the point of this thread?
drazen_cro I don t care to read a good system...I care to read or to make a WINNING SYSTEM.
All systems are good...but they aren t winners.
Bayes The reason that I am excluding the Adnantage Players is that they don t have an easy way to win. They don t just sit at a table and start betting. They have to search for the correct conditions and record a lot of numbers.
As for the other things that you posted I can see clearly that what you need is a fight. And as I stated before I am not looking for fights.
If the most of the members don t find usefull to try and bring new ideas to the table , then you can lock the topic.
Thank you
Huh explorer.. All the best in seeking your new way...
Drazen